Well at this point if you can't make the tactical decision to deny loot, why don't they just remove self destruct completely from ships? I am all about there being kill mails and such, but with a properly balanced self destruct timer based on ship class/size blowing up everything including loot should remain an option.

it's not really a tactical decision so much as a LOLOL I CAN GRIEF PEOPLE BY DENYING THEM KM AND LOOT I'M SO COOL LOL decision
zero effort griefing just to be a ****, don't get me wrong I'm all for griefing but sometimes it's just too easy
just like ganking hulks was too easy

For the Inferno 1.2 release, we've modified the self-destruct mechanics a little. These changes are now live on the Singularity test server. You can go and try them for yourself, and leave feedback in this thread.


Loot Drops
Ships that self-destruct will now drop loot in their wreck. This follows the regular chance-based loot-drop mechanics for items fitted to the ship and carried in the cargo hold.


Kill Reports
Ships that self-destruct whilst under aggression will now generate a regular kill-report. In order for this to happen, the ship must have been recently aggressed, and there must be at least one of the aggressors in space in the system at the time of death. The final-blow will be awarded to the eligible attacker who inflicted the most damage.

Self-destructs that do not involve player aggression will not generate a kill-report


By the way, you may have seen reports of the occasional self-destruct kill-report on Tranquility recently. These were caused by an unrelated defect, and were not intentional. Typically the items list of such mails is incomplete. I'm stating this in-advance, as no doubt someone would have asked about it.

Agreed with idea about NO LOOT, its more fair. KM and loot after SD is absolutely not balanced.

The victim may have a lot of fun after SD some PVE fitted fat Tengu. He is ok with losing his ship, but the attacker still cant count on KM. If we talking about really balanced decision, it should be - no km, but loot inside wreck or no loot, but KM. Both things in one time are pointless. If the attacker dont have enough dps to kill the target, its the problem of attacker, not the victim.

Timer for different ships could be different too, but the whole idea about SD before this patch was right. Dont ruin it with not balanced things.

I'm not an alt. And seconded. You're whining because you probably lose nine times out of ten. To those who win, this simply isn't a problem. For everyone else, it's a HUUUUGE problem. Clearly, you're in the latter group.

A 5 minute timer on a capital and 10 minutes on a supercapital would give someone an ambitious goal to reach toward by overheating everything in a final attempt to deny loot to the attacking party - whilst still giving some chance for smaller gangs to cut through the EHP in time.

how about removeing killmails completely ? CCP will get less work (like endless additions and tweaks) and we'll get rid of killmail whores ...

how about removeing killmails completely ? CCP will get less work (like endless additions and tweaks) and we'll get rid of killmail whores ...

I can honestly say, Im not so sure I like this change. I mean if you want to attack someone to get a kill or steal their loot then you should be able to kill them. Really there are two sides to this, the attacker and the defender. So here is a scenario.

Lets assume Im a freighter pilot warping around through low sec like an idiot. All of a sudden a wolf for instance decides to gank me off the gate and station so no retaliation from guns. Its just my freighter vs his wolf. This wolf decides to warp jam me, at this point im left with three options. A. Call and wait for backup, B. Wait for the wolf to very slowly kill my ass, or C. Self-Destruct.

Option A might work, or I may not have anyone online who can help, option B = death, but my attacker can rob my **** when I die. So they get to kill my ship and take the loot. THIS is the option that should exist. Option C means I die to protect my cargo from falling into others hands, THIS is MY tactical advantage.

If you have enough DPS to kill a ship before 2 minutes then you damn well ******* deserve anything and everything that drops including the kill report. However, if you cant kill me in 2 minutes I personally dont feel like you deserve **** for being such a lousy killer. If I SD, I lose **** and the aggressor has made me lose ****. Your taking something that takes work to achieve and making it easy as turning on a turret and it shouldnt be that way. If you want to kill me and take my cargo, KILL ME, LOOT my wreck and EARN your kill report. You just have to do it faster than I can kill myself.

Ultimately, I do not see anything decent coming from this change, your taking something that is fair on both parties and forcing people to lose no matter who or what kills them, and honestly I think its bull ****.

how about removeing killmails completely ? CCP will get less work (like endless additions and tweaks) and we'll get rid of killmail whores ...

Seriously?

If the attacker doesn't have the dps to kill the target, the target will live until: The attacker's friends come help, the attacker dies, or the target's friends show up. (subcaps, or if the target can make it to a gate/station and dock)

PVE passive tengu got caught by solo hunter. Solo hunter cant finish this ship nor for 2, nor for 5, nor for 10 minutes and dont have any support behind. Have seen same situation with my friend, beeing in covert ops. Pirate tryed to finish tengu more than 15 min, then Tengu SD, 2 more minutes and victim warped away. Shield never was less than 60%. Thats mean no way to get this kill. The only person who should get kill like that is...the victim. He is top-damager.

Ok, next possibility. You in nul (or WH), want to SD, but got tackled. Ok, lets imagine you was cool enough to break the distance and warped away. Then SD after some time, but...after the new SD-mechanics this failed tackler still can count on km, because SD was in same system ( where you was engaged). The main question - what for? For fail tackling?