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Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:02:00 - [61] Originally by: Barakkus I'm not terribly sure why it's "financially not feasable" to continue developing the app...didn't make money off it to begin with... Sounds like they're just doing the "I'm taking my toys and going home!" thing b/c they didn't get enough attention from CCP. I didn't want to say that myself, but it's likely the case. After the free trip to Iceland they got dollar signs in their eyes which never came to fruition, and of course CCP is to blame for getting their hopes up. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Barakkus Syndicate Asset Management	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:03:00 - [62] Originally by: KineticPoet 6 hours a day? On what exactly? I don't think this program has received any additional features since I downloaded it the first time. If the long awaited new version is really sucking up that much time, just drop it. The current version does pretty much everything it needs to do anyway. Seems like you could just declare development over for the time being, shut down the support forums, and leave it at that. The API and (I assume) RSS stuff will continue to function, no? Why pull it from the store? I can think of one reason offhand but I'm not sure I like the implication. Unfortunately they've made some changes to the API, and have more planned (the details of which I haven't looked at yet, something to do with categories of stuff I think). Eventually the app will probably be broken beyond use as CCP releases more changes to the API. They should just release the source so people can keep it updated and working. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
illford baker STK Scientific IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Potamus Jenkins Edited by: Potamus Jenkins on 04/10/2010 19:19:45 android user checking in i heart aura searchable item database wat? asset list wat?? suck it iphone might want to check your facts, iclone has all that and a bag of chips! jump planner, map, order status. iclone is alot, capusleer is great if you don't need that much detail. better UI, faster, and it has the headlines which i can't find on iclone. though i still think the iphone sucks if not jailbroken. jailbroken iphone>=android>?windows phone 7 (could be good)?>iphone.
snipereagle1	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Aerilis Is there any way you can open a donation drive or something? I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to see this wonderful project continued. QFT, this makes me super super sad, and I would gladly throw some cash you guys' way to keep it running.
Potamus Jenkins The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:11:00 - [65] Edited by: Potamus Jenkins on 04/10/2010 22:12:44 Originally by: illford baker Originally by: Potamus Jenkins Edited by: Potamus Jenkins on 04/10/2010 19:19:45 android user checking in i heart aura searchable item database wat? asset list wat?? suck it iphone might want to check your facts, iclone has all that and a bag of chips! jump planner, map, order status. iclone is alot, capusleer is great if you don't need that much detail. better UI, faster, and it has the headlines which i can't find on iclone. though i still think the iphone sucks if not jailbroken. jailbroken iphone>=android>?windows phone 7 (could be good)?>iphone. not sure what facts i had wrong, capsuleer has none of those which is what this thread is about. if there is another iphone app that does that good stuff then... yey! and while we are at it where does rooted android go in your hierarchy? edit for half ass punctuation
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:11:00 - [66] This is a damn shame. Poor showing by CCP for keeping them hanging for so long. ______________________________
Barakkus Syndicate Asset Management	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:14:00 - [67] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is a damn shame. Poor showing by CCP for keeping them hanging for so long. This I'll agree with, while they are only 2 subscribers in a sea of thousands, it's best to at least let them down with a verbal or written communication rather than ignoring them.... ...they probably ended up talking to a bunch of peons that no longer work there and a bunch of execs that can't remember what they had for lunch let alone talking to 2 random people they paid to fly out to their HQ almost 3 years ago Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
illford baker STK Scientific IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:17:00 - [68] Originally by: Potamus Jenkins not sure what facts i had wrong, capsuleer has none of those which is what this thread is about. if there is another iphone app that does that good stuff...then yey! and while we are at it where does rooted android go in your hierarchy? you did say suck it iphone, which applies to all iphone apps. i guess rooted android would go above JB iphone and android, but i am on at&t and iphone 3gs and dont plan on switching for awhile, though if this phone comes out, i will wait in line for it.
Potamus Jenkins The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:20:00 - [69] haha youll just have to excuse my general biased towards iphone for that remark lol
Barakkus Syndicate Asset Management	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:22:00 - [70] Originally by: illford baker though if this phone comes out, i will wait in line for it. That's **in sweet, I remember when they came out with a pen set that was actually a computer, you fold out one part and projects the keyboard and a different part projected the screen...I've been waiting for it to get to a consumer level product for like 6 years now...that phone has it and I HAVE TO HAVE THAT PHONE lol. Originally by:** captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...

IloveRickAstley	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:23:00 - [71] People make aps to make money. I dont think these guys are being greedy. I think CCP is either just holding out to make an ap of their own so they dont have to split the profits or they are progressing father back into the stone age. Its probably the later.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:34:00 - [72] TL;DR: CCP are flakes and unprofessional. (Who lets things carry on for 6-12 months with little to no feedback and leaves people hanging? CCP, that's who.) No big surprise there. Sorry to hear all your hard work is pretty much going to waste Roc. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:42:00 - [73] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 04/10/2010 22:46:37 Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is a damn shame. Poor showing by CCP for keeping them hanging for so long. This I'll agree with, while they are only 2 subscribers in a sea of thousands, it's best to at least let them down with a verbal or written communication rather than ignoring them.... All we know is they gave them a free flight to Iceland for a chat, and said their 'app' was good. Anything outside of that is just wishful thinking on behalf of Capsuleer. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ygar Curele Minmatar Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:45:00 - [74] Best app out there, sorry to hear things didn't work out anymore. Capsuleer will be missed by many.
TYR3L	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:45:00 - [75] Thought maybe when I saw that there was an item in the Capsuleer category in the app that it was going to be news about the next version. Sorry to hear about this. Capsuleer was one of my most used apps. Thanks for all the hard work. Hope CCP has a plan and isn't just falling asleep at the wheel.
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:47:00 - [76] Originally by: IloveRickAstley People make aps to make money. Here you're simply wrong if you're applying this to every app made. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Raquel Smith Caldari Freedom-Technologies Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:52:00 - [77] What is the actual revenue per month you guys need to make Capsuleer a worthy venture? Additionally what is required to host a push notification server? -- Creator of The Ruby API Library
Ix Forres Caldari Righteous Chaps	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:54:00 - [78] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is a damn shame. Poor showing by CCP for keeping them hanging for so long. This I'll agree with, while they are only 2 subscribers in a sea of thousands, it's best to at least let them down with a verbal or written communication rather than ignoring them.... We don't know if CCP said anything about any business arrangement. All we know is they gave them a free flight to Iceland and said their 'app' was good. Anything outside of that is just wishful thinking on behalf of Capsuleer. The probable cause for any vaugeness is that if there were more specific things discussed they would have been discussed under a non disclosure agreement. Very standard practice, even for an outfit like CCP. Agreed at the complete lack of professionalism in keeping things in the air for almost a year - what's worse is that I hear the same sort of story from people applying for jobs at CCP. Not an isolated issue. As for those people claiming that it's not costing them anything to develop - no, it does. If you spend 6 hours a day developing something you don't get paid for, that's 6 hours a day you're not getting paid where you could be, which is a cost. I completely understand where Sam and Roc are coming from and wholeheartedly agree with their actions. It's sensible and it's the right thing for them to do. Sure, it sucks for the community, but let's be clear: CCP were given the opportunity to support Capsuleer and thus enable a fantastic tool to be made available to the community. They turned it down, the community is now without Capsuleer. There is no obligation on third party developers to continue to run their stuff or work on their tools beyond what they _want_ to do. If CCP wishes to support third party developers by providing them with business support, financial support or otherwise encouraging development, then that's CCP's decision to do so. They chose not to, and this is the result. Speaking as a developer, I stopped actively working on my sites months ago but still pay a not insignificant (~ú100/mo) amount to keep them running with next to zero income from the community via donations. I keep them up because the community uses them and I hope finds them useful, but realistically there's no other reason for me to keep running it. I have no way to monetize my sites, and as such cannot justify spending a significant amount of time on them because I have to spend that time making ends meet and doing commercial work. Well done to Sam and Roc for making such a fantastic tool, and keeping it running as long as you have. Roc on. -- Ix Forres - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.04 23:00:00 - [79] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 04/10/2010 23:06:21 I'm far too drunk and spread too thin to deal with this. That might be the case when it comes to CCP also. They made no promises, and aren't even binded by verbal agreements. Anything they discussed is just that; things they both discussed without being under NDAs. It's as much the responsibility of Capsuleer to make CCP sign an NDA as it is CCP to make them sign one. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.10.04 23:26:00 - [80] Wait! Have you explored the obvious marketing opportunity???? WoT is coming out of Beta. Go to that and get them to give you twenty or thirty thousand dollars and you run Apple iAD network advertisements along will branding it with WoT ads and links. Perhaps a simple "want a game to play while training skills?" button that was a link to special WoT offer. That's not a lot of money but it should help for a while. And it would not buy the Wot folks that many banner adds from Google Explain to WoT that if they give you the money and Blizzard allows the ap to stay, then they get a perfect demographic for their target audience. And I and other EVE players continue to keep the ap. And CCP did not have to fund it. Everyone wins. If CCP shuts you down, then explain to the WoT that this is the sort of p*ssing contest that press and bloggers love and they will get far, far far more than their money's worth in free PR even if the ap never ships. IANAL, but what are you needing Blizzard's licensing of? Someone, who is never been a subscriber and thus has no ToS "contract" or agreement/obligation to CCP can access the URI for an API key. Do sites like EVEBoard have a contract with CCP? How is reading an API and formatting it for a browser differ than doing the same for an iOS application (other than the former is not required to learn objective C)? IANAL so just curious as to what people who have investigated it found out?

Blastzilla	Posted - 2010.10.04 23:42:00 - [81] Tbh, I'm surprised they waited/lasted this long. There is only so much you can do 'for the love of the game', before friends, family, your other half start asking you why you're spending 6 hours a day (almost a full-time job) of you life on something were your only reward is a nice thank you when you could be spending it with them. It's hard enough to find time to play the game. Maybe it'd make sense if they were selflessly finding a cure for cancer, but an iphone app? Meh... That being said, I was gutted when I read their post. It's easily the most used app on my phone. The headline section alone was a huge source of entertainment and knowledge for me. It literally saved me Billions in isk from the things I learned from other people's blog experiences. Not to mention the skill queue reminders. Life savers right there. Does anyone know if there's an app out there that collates the blog pack into an the same easy to access format?
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.04 23:54:00 - [82] Originally by: ChrisIsherwood Have you explored the obvious marketing opportunity???? Hi, I would like to inform you that this is a "** Move". Don't do that. -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Brannor McThife Caldari Lambent Enterprises Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.04 23:58:00 - [83] Well this sucks. First thing I read this morning on the train was this notice via the app... I can understand the need to close it down with the changes to the API and not having funding to modify it. Hope it comes back oneday. I hate iClone... have tried to use it so many times, but damnit, it takes forever to update every time and I don't see all the nice blogs. Wish CCP would just work with you guys to create a 3.0 version with the new API and EvE Gate features... Bah humbug. -G
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.05 00:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 04/10/2010 22:59:20 Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This is a damn shame. Poor showing by CCP for keeping them hanging for so long. This I'll agree with, while they are only 2 subscribers in a sea of thousands, it's best to at least let them down with a verbal or written communication rather than ignoring them.... All we know is they gave them a free flight to Iceland for a chat, and said their 'app' was good. Anything outside of that is just wishful thinking on behalf of Capsuleer. I don't agree with the corporate mentality in most cases, but in this case CCP promised nothing and isn't obligated to respond to them. They're not obligated, but it's bad form to start talks on something then when queried later not responding :P Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.05 00:55:00 - [85] Originally by: Blastzilla Tbh, I'm surprised they waited/lasted this long. There is only so much you can do 'for the love of the game', before friends, family, your other half start asking you why you're spending 6 hours a day (almost a full-time job) of you life on something were your only reward is a nice thank you when you could be spending it with them. It's hard enough to find time to play the game. Maybe it'd make sense if they were selflessly finding a cure for cancer, but an iphone app? Meh... Um, lots of people do that regularly. My latest project, a year and a half in the making: http://g0thicicecream.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/saying-good-bye-to-realplayer/ I do it all the time, I spend about as much time at my side projects as I do my real job (and playing mw:2)...I'm not looking to make any money on it, and when I finish it off I'll be distributing it for free (donations always accepted though). Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.05 01:02:00 - [86] Ok, I've given this some time to stew, and it seems to me: - I haven't seen a feature update from Capsuleer in a long time. I'm sad to hear that they've put so much effort (6 hrs/day?!) into Capsuleer, and that the new features will never see the light of day. I would have been more than happy to pay for an update, or even pay per feature with in game purchases. - It doesn't seem like the Capsuleer guys wanted a pay for app. It seems like they wanted to develop an app for CCP, and either become de facto CCP employees or have CCP buy the app off them. It seems an awkward way to go about it. And ultimately, I think Capsuleer has a better (more familiar) UI, but iClone has come a long ways. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Brannor McThife Caldari Lambent Enterprises Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.05 01:09:00 - [87] Can someone direct me to a way to still get all the blogs that were listed in Capsuleer in a central place? -G
Token Prophets Yojimbo Heavy Industries C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.10.05 01:13:00 - [88] Capsuleer was the first iphone app I installed and has been fantastically useful from that day. Sad to see it go. So I'll give iclone a go, it's installing now, by god the download file is huge!
Firenzianna	Posted - 2010.10.05 01:14:00 - [89] Just another lost connection to the game for me. Capsuleer was my link to Eve while at work, waiting in line, on public transportation (using the bathroom). CCP is not obligated to support anybody's goals but thier own, but I dont see them having the time, money, or manpower (or passion) to make something as good as Capsuleer on their own. But nothing lasts forever, and I got my moneys worth out of it. Many thanks to PyjamaSam and Roc, and good luck.
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.05 01:25:00 - [90] Yeah if you cant click a planet a thousand times or shoot a rat with in then CCP aren't interested!



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