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Cho Klat'Rane	Posted - 2010.10.05 10:37:00 - [121] wow 6 hours a day on an app that was updated what 3 times since release and provides less live data than an iGoogle widget and was based on artwork made by someone else and only runs on one specific brand of mobile phone. Nice app, I used it, but come on.
Yosarian Koshaku	Posted - 2010.10.05 11:50:00 - [122]
Xavier Isaacson Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation	Posted - 2010.10.05 11:56:00 - [123] Its a sad day :( I actually bought an Ipod touch purely so that I could use the Capsuleer app, so it's sad to see that CCP couldn't see their way clear to giving you guys the support you so obviously deserved. I have personally introduced over a dozen of my friends to EVE, purely because they caught me checking my Capsuleer app, these people are all now permanent subscribers. I sincerely hope that CCP rethinks this bad choice and gets back on board, then I can go back to showing off the glory of EVE on my Ipod Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
Lain Khazar Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:02:00 - [124] I'm totaly with Blasphemour and Durzel here. What is Capsuleer? A good API-readout tool. And that's about it. What it makes outstanding is the lack of capability at CCP to simply provide a mobile optimized website(!) with standard login to watch your characters, balance and stuff. Without all this API-stuff which is a pain in the ass on smartphones (and kudos to you guys, you found a clever way to handle this). With this website, almost all features of Capsuleer would be obsolete because this is basically what Capsuleer does. Accessing the API and displaying it in a nice way. I know there is some more (like the skilllist and stuff but this isn't that pro and helpful and you don't really need it if you are on the road) But your post reads just states "We want to make money out of this and we can't so we drop the project" and this is where I say: WTF? As someone stated: there are so many superior (but not mobile) tools out there, which are provided for FREE. EFT, EveMon, Evemaps and more. EveMon is even open source so it's almost guaranteed it will never die. EVE is still a game and Capsuleer is what I would call a hobby project of enthusiastic fans. If you can get some ISK donations for it, or maybe even some real money (if CCP would allow this) fine, if not: life goes on. Thank you for Capsuleer though, I would have spent some money for it (one time payment) but reading this post and seeing your attitude about your "product"(!), your plans about subscription(!) and stuff, I starting to think it is good the project dies and that you are seeing a hobby project as a way too serious way to make real money. Good luck with your other iPhone apps (and yes, I'm serious on this). sig goes here: Crane needs more grid (<-this!)
Dr Neba	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:12:00 - [125] http://www.iclone.org.uk/
Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Xavier Isaacson Its a sad day :( I actually bought an Ipod touch purely so that I could use the Capsuleer app, so it's sad to see that CCP couldn't see their way clear to giving you guys the support you so obviously deserved. I have personally introduced over a dozen of my friends to EVE, purely because they caught me checking my Capsuleer app, these people are all now permanent subscribers. I sincerely hope that CCP rethinks this bad choice and gets back on board, then I can go back to showing off the glory of EVE on my Ipod Are you friggin' serious? You bought an iPod JUST for Capsuleer? That's pretty stupid if you ask me... And about deserving support.. Does Evemon get support from CCP? Or EFT? Or Aura, for Android phones? Why is it that iPhone/iPod users/developpers always think they deserve something more? The whole Apple cult seems to be getting worse and worse. I'm a Mac user at home because they work amazingly well for what I want them to do, but I don't feel special or anything. Again, they decided to write the application themselves, they were not hired, not even asked to do it. CCP promoted it for them, had some talks on maybe giving some support in one way or the other, but it got cancelled or w/e. We weren't there so we don't know what happened or what was discussed exactly.
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:26:00 - [127] Quote: A subscription based platform for full API functionality was proposed to CCP to monetize Capsuleer, while keeping limited API features free for all users. I don't understand this sentence in the OP. Limited API free for all users? Users of what? Capsuleer? Yes. Yes, I am.
Roc Wieler Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:28:00 - [128] Please do not make any real money donations to ANY account that is not posted from myself or PyjamaSam. Already, there have been accounts, such as Capsuleer Donations, asking for your money. None of these accounts are legitimate or associated with us in any way.
Roc Wieler Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:32:00 - [129] Two things I want to clear up: 1. Capsuleer currently has over 60,000 users, more than any other mobile EVE app. Period. 2. 6 hours per day of development was on the slated 2.1 release features such as a completely searchable items database that was far quicker than EVE itself, not 90 megs to download (under 5 megs actually), a context based Agent Search, a Media section for watching Alliance tournaments and other EVE related media, as well as many non API related features. Again, I appreciate those who supported us, and respect everyone's right to their opinion, even though they haven't been a part of this process in any way, so really have no clue at the end of the day.
tiita	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:46:00 - [130] whoah! what a shellschock! loved capsuleer. i'm very sad it will be no more as it was very useful. best of luck for the future.. ccp, what a missed occasion! new sig on the way
Niraia Gallente GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:47:00 - [131] "as neither Chris nor Marcus were able to invest the amount of effort it took to maintain and develop the Capsuleer platform for free." So you dropped it because of greed. Got it. Other people do this stuff for fun, and you give them a bad name. gtfo o/ eohpoker.com sanshasnation.net
Foundation Vox	Posted - 2010.10.05 12:48:00 - [132] Originally by: NeoTheo Iclone was 400 million times better anyhow, all i read here was "we wanted to make money out of this, it didnt happen /quit" I used it for like 2 weeks untill i found iclone. iClone is ugly. At least capsuleer was elegent, responsive and did what it did very well. Didn't do a whole lot but it was free. Don't blame the guy for wanting to get paid. If you developed software (maybe you do) you might feel differently. I would have paid 1-3 dollars for the app easily. I think the others here that mention EVE Gate hit the nail on the head though.
RiotRick Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:01:00 - [133] Sad to see capsuleer go. It was a very slick and useful app in which you put a lot of effort. --
Dragon Greg	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:05:00 - [134] So .. OP spent two years waiting for CCP to commit to a mobility platform and is surprised nothing materialised in spite of communications. It's a bandwidth company, that became clear at the first fanfest and has been emphasises ever since, I'm surprised you took two years to realise that nothing would ever materialise. Capsuleer like every third party app is free marketing and advertising for them, there is no need to commit to joint ventures for CCP. Shame to see it go.
Ix Forres Caldari Righteous Chaps	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:26:00 - [135] Originally by: Niraia "as neither Chris nor Marcus were able to invest the amount of effort it took to maintain and develop the Capsuleer platform for free." So you dropped it because of greed. Got it. Other people do this stuff for fun, and you give them a bad name. gtfo o/ No, it was dropped because people have to be able to eat, and spending all your time and money on free projects does not help you. They provided the app for free for years for the community, only seeking to monetize it when they had to, and attempting to do so in a way that would be of most benefit to the community rather than making the most money for themselves. That's not greed. People like me used to do this stuff for fun but the reality is, spending 12 hours a day on a free app does not enable you to buy food, pay your rent, and so on. That is not greed; that is necessity and basic financial common sense. -- Ix Forres - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:31:00 - [136] While it is not my intention to disparage the quality of the application or the efforts of its developers, I'm not sure why Capsuleer should receive monetization when pretty much every other fan-made tool has received nothing of the sort. EVEMon and EFT are prime examples. Almost everyone uses them; they're practically an extension of the game itself, yet I'm not aware of CCP providing the developers with a single dime. There are also several community-run sites, such BattleClinic, EVE Central and EVE Agents, that surely required and still require time and resources to develop. I suppose they have ads, though, even if not officially monetized.
Cailais Amarr Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:32:00 - [137] Originally by: Dragon Greg So .. OP spent two years waiting for CCP to commit to a mobility platform and is surprised nothing materialised in spite of communications. It's a bandwidth company, that became clear at the first fanfest and has been emphasises ever since, I'm surprised you took two years to realise that nothing would ever materialise. Capsuleer like every third party app is free marketing and advertising for them, there is no need to commit to joint ventures for CCP. Shame to see it go. That's true, up unto a point. It's worth noting that both E-ON magazine and Serenity Steels Universe Maps however must have been formulated around about the same time. With that perspective I can see how Capsuleers developers might have held out hope of a closer partnership with CCP and possibly seen some financial future for their project i.e they had a precedence of sorts. Personally, despite the initial enthusiasm from CCP I would have heard the alarm bells ringing much, much earlier when nothing concrete occurred - in essence Capsuleer made their sales pitch and failed to secure a sale. It happens. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Duties	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:39:00 - [138] Its a shame, such a nice app! I really hope to see it back online again in the future.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:41:00 - [139] NoOooo!!!! I can't live without this app! NOOOOO!! Darn buggers. Sorry to hear about it, but in truth this happens often and mostly it's due to false "savior" ideas. Did you guys think about making capsuleer a paid app? I mean any of the users would probably have paid (i would have) because they know how good the app is (and it is good...iclone sucks). But alas, I understand. Shame though. Hope you guys have good stuff coming in the future. A Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Dragon Greg	Posted - 2010.10.05 13:43:00 - [140] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Dragon Greg So .. OP spent two years waiting for CCP to commit to a mobility platform and is surprised nothing materialised in spite of communications. It's a bandwidth company, that became clear at the first fanfest and has been emphasises ever since, I'm surprised you took two years to realise that nothing would ever materialise. Capsuleer like every third party app is free marketing and advertising for them, there is no need to commit to joint ventures for CCP. Shame to see it go. That's true, up unto a point. It's worth noting that both E-ON magazine and Serenity Steels Universe Maps however must have been formulated around about the same time. With that perspective I can see how Capsuleers developers might have held out hope of a closer partnership with CCP and possibly seen some financial future for their project i.e they had a precedence of sorts. Personally, despite the initial enthusiasm from CCP I would have heard the alarm bells ringing much, much earlier when nothing concrete occurred - in essence Capsuleer made their sales pitch and failed to secure a sale. It happens. C. That is exactly the point I'm making. Bandwidth company in business development. One thing at a time only, in spite of growing resources available.
Niraia Gallente GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:00:00 - [141] Originally by: Ix Forres Originally by: Niraia "as neither Chris nor Marcus were able to invest the amount of effort it took to maintain and develop the Capsuleer platform for free." So you dropped it because of greed. Got it. Other people do this stuff for fun, and you give them a bad name. gtfo o/ No, it was dropped because people have to be able to eat, and spending all your time and money on free projects does not help you. They provided the app for free for years for the community, only seeking to monetize it when they had to, and attempting to do so in a way that would be of most benefit to the community rather than making the most money for themselves. That's not greed. People like me used to do this stuff for fun but the reality is, spending 12 hours a day on a free app does not enable you to buy food, pay your rent, and so on. That is not greed; that is necessity and basic financial common sense. Writing free software while you starve to death is common sense? Wouldn't it make more sense to just release later so you can eat? That's necessity. This is bull****.
Ix Forres Caldari Righteous Chaps	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:08:00 - [142] Originally by: Niraia Writing free software while you starve to death is common sense? Wouldn't it make more sense to just release later so you can eat? That's necessity. This is bull**. Uh, read my post? Common sense is to _not_ write your free app which takes up all your time, or to try and do it in conjunction with a paying job and the rest of your life. For some of us, that's not a viable option - there are other things that take priority. -- Ix Forres** - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:08:00 - [143] Edited by: Stick Cult on 05/10/2010 14:12:17 While I disagree with letting it go because you can't get money for it, I don't think you should let it die. If you make it open source, I'm sure someone or some group of people will pick up where you left off, making a great app greater and continuing it. The server for pushes can't cost that much, I'm sure someone will do it, and if not, well, no pushes then! But not making money off of it is not a reason to simply let it die. If you're done with it, let someone else continue it. edit: Even if no one else implements features, they can at least do the occasional fix when CCP changes things in the API, and keep it on the store. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Silent Shaz	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:10:00 - [144] Although I'm not an iPhone user (I use Aura on Android) it's sad to see this reportedly great app go. I hope that this deadline encourages CCP to take some action to work out a future for Capsuleer, but I think they have their hands full with QA issues at the moment... If it lives again, great. If not, I'm sure you'll be successful in future ventures. Just keep pumping out those slammin' tunes Roc :)
Crias Taylor GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:11:00 - [145] Stopped using your **ty app when you made me download your **ty blog posts.
Niraia Gallente GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:22:00 - [146] Originally by: Ix Forres Originally by: Niraia Writing free software while you starve to death is common sense? Wouldn't it make more sense to just release later so you can eat? That's necessity. This is bull****. Uh, read my post? Common sense is to _not_ write your free app which takes up all your time, or to try and do it in conjunction with a paying job and the rest of your life. For some of us, that's not a viable option - there are other things that take priority. I agree, but they did it anyway, and now they seem to be all whiney about not making money, pulling the app rather than leaving it in its current state. Why didn't this guy continue development at a slower pace to fit in with the rest of his life? If he didn't have any spare time, why not release the source and let others with more time keep it alive? It comes across as selfish and childish, thus my greed comment. eohpoker.com sanshasnation.net
Themanfromdalmontee	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:22:00 - [147] Originally by: Crias Taylor Stopped using your **ty app when you made me download your **ty blog posts. I sense much rage in this one, he shall be a sith lord and control many lands
Adaris Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.05 14:51:00 - [148] I am truely sorry to see this fantastic service go. I can only sympathise with your reasons, and cast a sad look towards CCP for missing a possible business venture which could have made them money, made you money and made us all happy. I wish you look in the future. My iPhone just lost a key feature. ***** - ISK ME UP -**
TGO	Posted - 2010.10.05 15:32:00 - [149] I suspect CCP did indeed lead the capsuleer team on a bit, however expecting to make any amount of money off a tool for someone else's game is... silly. There have been far more resource intensive projects started completed and maintained for free not just for EvE but for every popular MMO out there. I don't begrudge anyone for not wanting to work for free, but don't act as if it would be anything short incredible generous (and possibly problematic) for CCP to help you make any money whilst doing nothing to help the dozens of other developers some of which have larger communities that you. I began to regret my donation to capsuleer (meager as it was) when i realized Roc's blog was the only one that couldn't be hidden in the headlines pattern. He had every right to do it, just as the capsuleer team has every right to abandon their project but it speaks to a lack of character. Also: Originally by: Roc Wieler 2. 6 hours per day of development was on the slated 2.1 release features such as a completely searchable items database that was far quicker than EVE itself, not 90 megs to download (under 5 megs actually), a context based Agent Search, a Media section for watching Alliance tournaments and other EVE related media, as well as many non API related features. in retrospect i hope you realize the error here. You don't leave a tool in limbo for a year while you more than double it's complexity never once releasing an of the new features to the public for testing and feedback (no alpha/beta testing doesn't count). This is a great way to burn yourself out on something whilst in the end have nothing to show for it. If for whatever reason CCP was seriously considering an arrangement that would financially benefit you.. i doubt very much that your lack of discernible progress over the course of a year helped your case.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.05 15:34:00 - [150] Originally by: Illion This is a real shame - the iphone is perhaps the most popular handlheld device ever, and eve benefitted massively by having this tool available. No, the Blackberry is still beating the iPhone. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...

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