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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.05 01:33:00 -
[91]
Sucks to see you go but I would love it if you guys released your source code or even just passed the project on to someone who wants to continue it. Leaving the project to gather dust is a shame.
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Mahashou
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Posted - 2010.10.05 01:41:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Mahashou on 05/10/2010 01:43:05
Noooo !!!
This really suck !! It is definitely the app I use the most every day !! I would be ready to pay for it for sure !! Common CCP don't let this happen !!!
What would be required to keep the project going ? Maybe people can help ! If this become an open source project I'm sure it would be successful !
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Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.05 01:56:00 -
[93]
Why am I now so surprised? 'cuz this just shows how typical this really is in terms of CCP's reaction to the world outside.
Perhaps, it's not us who lost in New Eden. It's CCP who gets high with their stuff and lost within.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.10.05 02:15:00 -
[94]
Thanks for a useful and free app, guys.
Best of luck with your current and future projects!
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Graic Valente
Gallente
Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.05 02:17:00 -
[95]
Expect EVE Gate iPhone app any day now.
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Blastzilla
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Posted - 2010.10.05 02:21:00 -
[96]
 Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Blastzilla
Tbh, I'm surprised they waited/lasted this long. There is only so much you can do 'for the love of the game', before friends, family, your other half start asking you why you're spending 6 hours a day (almost a full-time job) of you life on something were your only reward is a nice thank you when you could be spending it with them. It's hard enough to find time to play the game. Maybe it'd make sense if they were selflessly finding a cure for cancer, but an iphone app? Meh...
Um, lots of people do that regularly.
My latest project, a year and a half in the making:
http://g0thicicecream.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/saying-good-bye-to-realplayer/
I do it all the time, I spend about as much time at my side projects as I do my real job (and playing mw:2)...I'm not looking to make any money on it, and when I finish it off I'll be distributing it for free (donations always accepted though).
"I'll be distributing it for free". Really? Well obviously financially you're doing pretty well, so why don't you give me the license to your software, for free?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.05 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Blastzilla
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Blastzilla
Tbh, I'm surprised they waited/lasted this long. There is only so much you can do 'for the love of the game', before friends, family, your other half start asking you why you're spending 6 hours a day (almost a full-time job) of you life on something were your only reward is a nice thank you when you could be spending it with them. It's hard enough to find time to play the game. Maybe it'd make sense if they were selflessly finding a cure for cancer, but an iphone app? Meh...
Um, lots of people do that regularly.
My latest project, a year and a half in the making:
http://g0thicicecream.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/saying-good-bye-to-realplayer/
I do it all the time, I spend about as much time at my side projects as I do my real job (and playing mw:2)...I'm not looking to make any money on it, and when I finish it off I'll be distributing it for free (donations always accepted though).
"I'll be distributing it for free". Really? Well obviously financially you're doing pretty well, so why don't you give me the license to your software, for free?
I would if there was a license to give :P
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.10.05 03:00:00 -
[98]
Roc Wielers webcam
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Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.05 03:05:00 -
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I told my wife about them cancelling Capsuleer this morning. Whilst I was not happy, she was... Something about me stealing her iPhone to use Capsuleer as I haven't gotten around to getting one yet...
Fix it CCP!!!
(yes I know it is 3rd party - but they can do something about it)
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Devan Corvel
Tantalus Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.05 03:18:00 -
[100]
Really unfortunate that this happened but thanks for all the hard work you guys have put in on capsuleer. Will be very sad to see it go.
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Candaan
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Posted - 2010.10.05 03:37:00 -
[101]
This is sad, it's such a good app with great potential.
Before Capsuleer I never bothered with blogs.
Great work guys, I'm sorry CCP doesn't have the fore-sight to develop your great idea.
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Umarillian
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Posted - 2010.10.05 05:54:00 -
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Very depressing; First we lose Lestrange's blog and then the whole kitten kaboodle goes down the tubes. If CCP Releases a Iphone APP prior to any feasible development period I am going to be a tad bit ****ed. Nothing but thanks from me Roc, excellent work and enjoy your next project.
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Brentum Kaltarr
Elemental Foundries
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Posted - 2010.10.05 06:38:00 -
[103]
Thank you both, Roc Wieler & PyjamaSam!
Your continuous efforts in bringing us Capsuleer and your efforts to cement it's presence on our mobile devices is very much appreciated.
'Tis sad that it's come to this but when a hobby / something fun becomes a labour that isn't enjoyable anymore for whatever reason, you're right to put it to one side until the idea of it becomes enjoyable again (wonder how many people arguing about motives in this thread have taken a break from Eve for the same reason... )
If you ever come back to it, know that Capsuleer is going to be staying on my phone purely out of hope... 
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.05 06:51:00 -
[104]
but... but... how will I read Eve Blogs to entertain myself on the bus where my iPod Touch doesn't get wifi...
Sad news is sad...
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2010.10.05 06:56:00 -
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This whole thing should be addressed by CCP - they should either take on Capsuleer as a going concern and develop it themselves with the original authors perhaps, or create a new project. The latter is unlikely as you've already done most of the groundwork and as far as I know CCP's mobile team is no more.
Please CCP do *something* about this. It's a very useful and needed application and another gateway into the game (as it were). 
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.05 07:23:00 -
[106]
There's already other iphone programs that do the same thing...if they're bad, then chances are some other enterprising person will come in to make something that doesn't suck, not to mention the availability of a similar program by separate developers on Android.
I'm not sure why this deserves special treatment by CCP. The OP is annoyed because CCP suggested they -might- go further with Capsuleer and make it more official, then decided not to.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.05 07:28:00 -
[107]
They could always open source their work to date and let someone else continue to invest time and materials in developing it for the community.
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2010.10.05 07:35:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 05/10/2010 07:29:43
There's already other iphone programs that do the same thing...if they're bad, then chances are some other enterprising person will come in to make something that doesn't suck, not to mention the availability of a similar program by separate developers on Android.
I'm not sure why this deserves special treatment by CCP. Capsuleer isn't anything special or amazing. It's just a program that's slightly better than one of the other options available on that platform (The iPhone) and arguably worse than stuff available on other platforms (Aura for Android)
While that's true CCP a good platform that's been adopted by the majority of the player base (who have that phone) to work from. Let them buy the IP rights etc to Capsuleer and they have a head start.
I can't say the game "needs" a Capsuleer application but having tasted the sweetness that it is I don't want to let go, and neither do allot of people it seems.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.05 07:40:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 05/10/2010 07:42:24
Quote:
While that's true CCP a good platform that's been adopted by the majority of the player base (who have that phone) to work from. Let them buy the IP rights etc to Capsuleer and they have a head start.
I can't say the game "needs" a Capsuleer application but having tasted the sweetness that it is I don't want to let go, and neither do allot of people it seems.
Wait, CCP should give the Capsuleer devs the right to sell it for profit because they're threatening to stop development if they don't?
No. That's not how that works. If Capsuleer is gone, someone else will replicate it. In fact, someone else already has. iClone exists. Similar applications exist for Android and Windows Mobile. If it sucks, then someone else will make something better.
There's only one reason for CCP to consider what the OP wants, and that is that CCP wants to add functionality to smartphones that goes above and beyond what access to the API can do. My guess is that CCP was considering it for awhile, and then either decided that they didn't want to add any of that functionality, or that they didn't want to do it through a third party.
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Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:01:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Miss Connolly on 05/10/2010 08:05:18
I simply HATE your idea of making full API access cost money! That would totally screw up many other valuable tools just because you guys want to make money of your iPhone app.
I might be willing to pay you guys a dollar for capsuleer (once) but thats it.
All other tools (that take a lot more effort then your little API frontend) are free because they're made by fans and not business people (eg. EVEmon has 10 times the functionality of capsuleer but remains free). So why should you deserve any money for capsuleer exactly?
It's nice enough that CCP allows you to use their pictures and logos for free.
I might have supported you guys by buying or donating to capsuleer but after reading this thread I guess I'll stick with iClone (has way more features anyway).
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:14:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 05/10/2010 07:42:24
Quote:
While that's true CCP a good platform that's been adopted by the majority of the player base (who have that phone) to work from. Let them buy the IP rights etc to Capsuleer and they have a head start.
I can't say the game "needs" a Capsuleer application but having tasted the sweetness that it is I don't want to let go, and neither do allot of people it seems.
Wait, CCP should give the Capsuleer devs the right to sell it for profit because they're threatening to stop development if they don't?
No, That's not what I'm saying.
What I mean is CCP could buy the rights to Capsuleer if they really want a presence in the mobile market.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:17:00 -
[112]
I read people here blaming CCP for not helping them.
They have apparently promoted Capsuleer on FanFest, and talked about maybe doing some kind of business.
From the developpers I hear nothing but 'we want to make money off of it'.
If you start something up, make sure you know for sure you can monetize it if that is what you want.
In this case it is not CCP who is to blame for disappointing users, it is the dev's of Capsuleer.
You complain about spending 6 hours a day on developping a new version, while not getting payed for it.
No, you don't get paid for hobby projects. Hardly anybody has that luxury. What's the problem?
Maybe you should've inquired with CCP and talked to them with a demo version BEFORE releasing it to the world.
There's a whole bunch of applications for all kind of platforms, which do the same or alot more than Capsuleer does. They are all free. All those developpers are not complaining about the API changes (they are making it better ffs, and you complain that you don't get payed for updating an application that you wrote on your own initiative, CCP didn't hire you to do it!), they just read the documentation, see if they can work with it and otherwise give up or ask other people for help.
You make it sound like CCP didn't live up to contracts or anything, while this is not the case.
They might have looked into opportunities of supporting you but I cannot imagine that they where ever going to let you make money on their IP. This also would have set a precedent for other developpers who would've come to CCP for the same agreement. If one gets payed for it, others want it too.
That being sad, even if you would have gotten the right to charge for it, people would have found something else, since there are loads of applications for free, that do the same or more.
Now, stop crying.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:37:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Blasphemour
I read people here blaming CCP for not helping them.
They have apparently promoted Capsuleer on FanFest, and talked about maybe doing some kind of business.
From the developpers I hear nothing but 'we want to make money off of it'.
If you start something up, make sure you know for sure you can monetize it if that is what you want.
In this case it is not CCP who is to blame for disappointing users, it is the dev's of Capsuleer.
You complain about spending 6 hours a day on developping a new version, while not getting payed for it.
No, you don't get paid for hobby projects. Hardly anybody has that luxury. What's the problem?
Maybe you should've inquired with CCP and talked to them with a demo version BEFORE releasing it to the world.
There's a whole bunch of applications for all kind of platforms, which do the same or alot more than Capsuleer does. They are all free. All those developpers are not complaining about the API changes (they are making it better ffs, and you complain that you don't get payed for updating an application that you wrote on your own initiative, CCP didn't hire you to do it!), they just read the documentation, see if they can work with it and otherwise give up or ask other people for help.
You make it sound like CCP didn't live up to contracts or anything, while this is not the case.
They might have looked into opportunities of supporting you but I cannot imagine that they where ever going to let you make money on their IP. This also would have set a precedent for other developpers who would've come to CCP for the same agreement. If one gets payed for it, others want it too.
That being sad, even if you would have gotten the right to charge for it, people would have found something else, since there are loads of applications for free, that do the same or more.
Now, stop crying.
Basically sums up my thoughts exactly, it's a shame it was posted by an alt!
I don't see how CCP are to blame for this in any way. They mentioned Capsuleer at FanFest, the Devs got a free trip to Iceland out of their efforts. Unless cast-iron (contract) promises were made then CCP are imo entirely blameless.
EveMon and EFT are 10x as comprehensive as Capsuleer was, and both are free and not ad-supported. Both projects are run entirely from blood, sweat and tears by people with day jobs. To lay the demise of Capsuleer at CCPs (tacitly or explicitly) is pretty disingenuous to be honest.
This whole blog post stinks of "we tried to monetise Capsuleer, failed, and have decided to jump on the iPhone money-making gravy train instead. Oh, btw it's CCPs fault." It's all well and good deciding to cease development to work on projects that make money, but that doesn't reconcile with the whole altruism angle being played here.
Capsuleer was (is) a slick little app, but it's no EveMon or even EFT, both of which have been free since they were released.
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:38:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Blasphemour
...Now, stop crying.
That simple comment reflects the nature of the forums these days.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:41:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Durzel
Basically sums up my thoughts exactly, it's a shame it was posted by an alt!
I might be one of the few people here who actually posts on a main character.
That this account might be one of the biggest failures ever to hit TQ does not make it an alt 
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.05 09:12:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Siiee
As much as I like Capsuleer, knowing that you were just chomping at the bit to monetize it
Champing. Champing. Champing. lol
anyway sadly i never got to use capsuleer because i dont have such a fancy device
how do you know if somebody has an iphone?
they tell you lol
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Illion
Amarr
BIG
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.05 09:57:00 -
[117]
This is a real shame - the iphone is perhaps the most popular handlheld device ever, and eve benefitted massively by having this tool available.
Please CCP - either pay them to carry on or allow them to make money out of the IP!!
Ill.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2010.10.05 10:04:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Typhado3
Sucks to see you go but I would love it if you guys released your source code or even just passed the project on to someone who wants to continue it. Leaving the project to gather dust is a shame.
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
They could always open source their work to date and let someone else continue to invest time and materials in developing it for the community.
Noone's going to see a line of the source code, this isn't a community effort, or a pure labor of love. It's a premature commercial venture. They're not quitting because they don't have the time, or because they're bored of the game, they're quitting because they realize that they're not going to get paid. It doesn't make any sense for them to just throw it all out into the wild, they'll want to sit on it for as long as it's remotely relevant on the off chance that someday they'll be able to do something with it to offset what they invested in it's development.
And that's totally reasonable.
It doesn't make me feel any more sympathetic to their cause tho. I still think it's a bit annoying to try and make the players put pressure on CCP for them by publicly executing the project.
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Wacktopia
Bi-Tech Theory
Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.10.05 10:18:00 -
[119]
Thought it was all quiet on the dev front - shame out that. One of the most-used iPhone apps for me too :(
Ehhh, maybe I'll bite the bullet and make a mobile thin client site if command is not up to it.
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Scrobes
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Posted - 2010.10.05 10:29:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Scrobes on 05/10/2010 10:30:39
This is tragic. I use this app every single day, going from/to work. The layout and presentation is brilliant and clear, and it's quick. It's one of the first apps I installed on my iPhone, and I use more than any other app! What a massive shame. Perhaps something might happen to save it. I certainly hope so.
Byebye blogpack. :(
Edit: The last bit is because I probably won't read blogs during day to day stuff. It was a nice benefit of Capsuleer.
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