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Boudicca Arbosa
Aegis Requiem. Byzantine Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:42:00 -
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If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world. |

Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
110
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:44:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.
If you mean by "veteran", bored with a game they should have quit some time ago, then I agree.^^ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
46
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:48:00 -
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I like the attitude, like the balls and agree with the sentiment. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1226
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:48:00 -
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All this moaning about 'gate camping' is hillarious.
You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to catch targets My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Aina Sasaki
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
401
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:56:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:I like the attitude, like the balls and agree with the sentiment.
I second that. - Rei |

Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
140
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:58:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.
Agreed
100%
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
174
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Posted - 2012.08.03 11:59:00 -
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Even with these changes pirates will still be able to catch you.
Don't get me wrong, I think people are overreacting. You only need 30 seconds to kill a target and warp back to your safe spot. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:02:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.
that actually gets a +1
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Cede Forster
EVE University Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:02:00 -
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but it is easier because most people have to go through the gate and also piracy isnt supposed to be hard, it is supposed to be borring and waiting for people, okay?  |

Sexy Cakes
Poasting
21
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:02:00 -
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Please keep discussions about the CSM 7 Summer meeting minutes in the appropriate place. Having feedback in one place is much more productive and will allow for better discussions than having the feedback scattered all over our forums.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
361
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:04:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.
Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then?
You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?). |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
411
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:05:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Even with these changes pirates will still be able to catch you.
Don't get me wrong, I think people are overreacting. You only need 30 seconds to kill a target and warp back to your safe spot. You don't mean that if people actually do something other than sit still it will not be that big a problem? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Mystic Lore Arcanium
Red-Five
19
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:08:00 -
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Incredible Stupidity - Gate Camps are the LOGICAL first line of defense if you wish to protect assets, camping a gate doesn't automatically make you a "pirate". If you were intent upon defending your home from an outside threat, I'm willing to bet you would stake out the FRONT DOOR. Why let the intruder into your home to wander threw the kitchen and bedroom before "hunting them down"? I know where to find them - at the Gate...
If my Corp is running sigs or mining in lowsec, you can bet that we WILL HAVE a gate camp up to defend our assets. |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
642
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:11:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world. Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then? You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?). Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp.
How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions? You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right.
If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with. 
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
412
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:16:00 -
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Mystic Lore Arcanium wrote:Incredible Stupidity - Gate Camps are the LOGICAL first line of defense if you wish to protect assets, camping a gate doesn't automatically make you a "pirate". If you were intent upon defending your home from an outside threat, I'm willing to bet you would stake out the FRONT DOOR. Why let the intruder into your home to wander threw the kitchen and bedroom before "hunting them down"? I know where to find them - at the Gate...
If my Corp is running sigs or mining in lowsec, you can bet that we WILL HAVE a gate camp up to defend our assets. If you want the whole space to be yours, go claim Sov in Null sec, that is what it is for.
Lo-sec is part of Empire space, you are in Empire territory and should expect gate guns to take action if you act like a pirate. To use a similar analogy, you are trying to guard your wallet you left in a hotel safe by killing everyone who comes into the hotel and then not expecting security or the cops to blow your head off for it. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
167
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:20:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates
Apart from FW and reinforcing structures, there are only carebear activities off of gates in lowsec. PI, mining, ratting, cosmic anoms, cosmic signatures, missions; people that do these in lowsec know how to do them in lowsec, they'll see you enter local, they'll see you/your probes on dscan, they'll have ages and ages to avoid combat - which is what they'll certainly do, because they're not likely to be in a pvp ship for these activities.
So hunting like a "REAL pirate" is largely a waste of time. And even if you found one, gosh, it'd only be the same kind of 'bad' pvp that you scorn in this post of yours. If you're roaming for a fight, and if what you see of a system's inhabitants is that they're probably carebearing, then you're better off continuing to roam.
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:You turds
Awfully nasty language. I'll have some capital letters for you. People who live in lowsec, and who do not camp in one of the extremely few, extremely famous systems which have smartbombing battleships and such on gates, who go around in gangs of various sizes looking for fights more exciting than killing a a lone T1 rifter, these people ALSO FIGHT ON GATES.
Kil2 starts in Jita and flies solo to whatever far-flung corner of nullsec after studying the map for a bit; you can watch his streams where he does this, you can watch the videos he makes of his fights. Go watch a few of them. Spoiler: THERE ARE A LOT OF FIGHTS ON GATES.
BECAUSE FIGHTS ARE LARGELY ON GATES IN EVE.
SOME REASONS ARE OUTLINED ABOVE; IT REALLY HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH STATIONARY PIRATES IN A HANDFUL OF SYSTEMS. |

Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
62
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:21:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.
Sigh.... You see it's really not that simple and I admire your attitude and agree. The underlying issue really is the "hunt" you speak of. Targets in Low Sec are becoming more and more scarce. With less interest in the systems you hunt in where are said targets?
The underlying issue isn't people camping gates (even though a majority of people only do that) it really is the problem of having little to no targets whatsoever.
Many corps and alliances in low actually go to null to hunt only to find themselves quickly out manned and outgunned which leaves a bitter taste in peoples mouths. You really want to get those pussies off the gates? Give them a big juicy mouse to catch. |

Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
125
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:29:00 -
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Hi, I can tell you don't spend much time in lowsec so I'll point out a few flaws in your logic.
There isn't much worth doing in lowsec space so the odds of finding a random person ready to die is much...MUCH! lower
What is worth doing must be probed down AND has acceleration gates, I've only caught one person who was maybe not watching D-scan and he was 85km away so he left.
Most people only use lowsec for moon mining and moving assets to and from nullsec, if they aren't inside a death star or in a station they are on a gate. So how do you propose that we kill them if they are only ever near gates and stations and towers that broke ass pirates cannot afford to attack?
Edit: BTW I only live in low on occasion and I always end up leaving because there is 10x as much PvP to be had in nullsec, 10x as much income per hour in nullsec, and in nullsec my sec status can only go up. Things I have realized from the EvE forums: Many people beleive cost means money and only money If you use it then it needs a buff. -áIf you don't use it then it needs to be nerfed. |

Vagilicious
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:40:00 -
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I agree with this 100%.
When I first started playing it took me a while to pluck up the courage to venture into Lowsec. When I did I encountered my first gate camp, did the newb thing and panicked, and died pretty much instantly.
But I stuck at it. I learned, adapted and eventually figured out how to pass them, only to find the areas beyond pretty much deserted.
I got my first decent fight at a belt - I died quickly (again) but the adrenaline rush, my heart pounding, was what really made it for me.
I personally think that making it more difficult to camp on a gate is a good thing. The biggest barrier for new players is jumping through and dying instantly. That, coupled with the horror stories of how Lowsec is a death trap is enough to put most of them off from venturing outside Hisec.
IMO if Lowsec appeared to be safer - at least on entering - it might actually encourage newer players to take a bit more of a risk, possibly risk slipping a mining or mission running ship in with the thought of making bigger iskies.
Of course they'd more than likely get their ships popped but they'd at least be there. Maybe some would still give up, but I'm betting that a lot more would experience that same rush and try to adapt, learn new techniques to survive, and hopefully start to populate Lowsec.
Now more than ever I think CCP needs to improve new player retention, and I think this is a step in the right direction.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
361
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:41:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world. Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then? You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?). Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp. How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions? You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right. If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with. 
Do you understand what pirates are? They don't sit by an asteroid hoping that someone might come along. They sit by gates because 90% of people will enter the system through the gates.
I'm not a pirate, i'm actually affiliated with anti-pirate groups so don't misunderstand where i'm coming from here, but I feel that low sec should be policed by the players.
After a pirate group has ganked that noob in a rifter, do you think they are going to stick around for a good fight with an anti-pirate group while also taking massive amounts of gate gun fire? I think people will now only attack ships they know they can take out in a few seconds and then doc/pos up. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
886
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:42:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Even with these changes pirates will still be able to catch you.
Don't get me wrong, I think people are overreacting. You only need 30 seconds to kill a target and warp back to your safe spot. I have to agree with this. These changes actually make it easier to catch a target at a gate camp. You will be able to use a small fast tackler now, a ship that would be killed immediately by a gate gun given the present gate guns. After the change that fast tackle will be able to do its job and bug out. The heavy tackle/dps ships then finish the job and bug out.
Result: Many ships that would have slipped through the gate camp will now get caught. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Boudicca Arbosa
Aegis Requiem. Byzantine Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:16:00 -
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AFK Mining =/= AFK Gatecamping |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:18:00 -
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Thread cleaned of troll posting. Please post responsibly, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
190
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:19:00 -
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I propose some galaxy wide catastrophe that destroys the gates (and local along with it) and leaves nothing but wormholes connecting the systems
Everything would be so much better. |

Boudicca Arbosa
Aegis Requiem. Byzantine Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:24:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world. Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then? You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?). Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp. How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions? You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right. If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with.  Do you understand what pirates are? They don't sit by an asteroid hoping that someone might come along. They sit by gates because 90% of people will enter the system through the gates. I'm not a pirate, i'm actually affiliated with anti-pirate groups so don't misunderstand where i'm coming from here, but I feel that low sec should be policed by the players. After a pirate group has ganked that noob in a rifter, do you think they are going to stick around for a good fight with an anti-pirate group while also taking massive amounts of gate gun fire? I think people will now only attack ships they know they can take out in a few seconds and then doc/pos up.
I don't consider myself a pirate, per se. I'm a mission runner and explorer. My Corporation just recently moved to Low Sec. To ensure that I felt like my new home felt "safe" I actively hunted people out on d-scan and went after them. I didn't sit on a gate hoping to poon someone that was passing through.
This is akin to those idiots that sat in front of an instance portal in WoW killing lvl 30's trying to get into SM. It's just silly and actually kind of a ***** move.
You have a d-scan. Use it. Get off gates. No one is impressed. |

Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
352
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:12:00 -
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Okay, since I'm a highsec ******* and not a lowsec *******, I won't speak to that bit, but there's a common argument that I see that I'd like to address for a second if you'll indulge me.
I often get told that if I were a real pvper I wouldn't: - dec people potentially less skilled or more poorly equipped than me - spy - safari - scam or lie - logon trap - corp hop (now dead RIP) - use neutral logi (I generally don't, but that's another discussion) - etc.
The etc can be very broad, too. I once got accused of fighting cheap because I used a command ship in highsec. And by that I don't mean that I got called out for using an off-grid booster, but apparently fighting from an Absolution is cheating somehow.
Really, dudes? You honestly expect people to throw away competitive advantages? In everything you do, you're up against someone else, directly or indirectly. Do you think all your competition is also throwing away these advantages? Does your sense of e-honour have you in such an incredible stranglehold? I mean, I get it, I harbor some shreds of e-honour I have trouble letting go of too, but this isn't pistols at dawn. This is a shanking in a prison shower.
If we were playing tag, would you demand that everyone hop on one foot? If we were playing chess, would you demand everyone do it blind drunk? Are you living in such a Harrison Bergeron world that you really want to bring the whole game down to the lowest common denominator? |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
361
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:14:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Boudicca Arbosa wrote:If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.
I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world. Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then? You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?). Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp. How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions? You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right. If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with.  Do you understand what pirates are? They don't sit by an asteroid hoping that someone might come along. They sit by gates because 90% of people will enter the system through the gates. I'm not a pirate, i'm actually affiliated with anti-pirate groups so don't misunderstand where i'm coming from here, but I feel that low sec should be policed by the players. After a pirate group has ganked that noob in a rifter, do you think they are going to stick around for a good fight with an anti-pirate group while also taking massive amounts of gate gun fire? I think people will now only attack ships they know they can take out in a few seconds and then doc/pos up. I don't consider myself a pirate, per se. I'm a mission runner and explorer. My Corporation just recently moved to Low Sec. To ensure that I felt like my new home felt "safe" I actively hunted people out on d-scan and went after them. I didn't sit on a gate hoping to poon someone that was passing through. This is akin to those idiots that sat in front of an instance portal in WoW killing lvl 30's trying to get into SM. It's just silly and actually kind of a ***** move. You have a d-scan. Use it. Get off gates. No one is impressed.
Just because you done like the way someone else plays doesn't mean it isn't a legit strategy. Gate camping has always been a part of eve and it always should be. It's even a tactic used in the novels and i bet there are a bunch of players that get a buzz from escaping gate camps as they type "fail" into local. 
But i am just playing devils advocate here and i have looked into the proposed change in detail. Will it be impossible to tank gate guns now or will it be manageable providing you have enough logi, resulting in an increase of blob warfare? |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
342
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:16:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:" I actively hunted people out on d-scan and went after them. I didn't sit on a gate hoping to poon someone that was passing through.
This is akin to those idiots that sat in front of an instance portal in WoW killing lvl 30's trying to get into SM. It's just silly and actually kind of a ***** move.
You have a d-scan. Use it. Get off gates. No one is impressed.
Looking at your stats on BC you have three kills in low-sec of wich a 2vs1 , a 10v1 and to top it off a 20vs1 . I think the people you are adressing will also not be impressed either as they rarely have a 10 man gang let alone a 20 man gang.
I'd suggest trying low-sec piracy with 1 or 2 friends for a month and not using the gates for your kills.I bet you'll be bored before the 2nd week is over because of lack of targets.
The gates is not the problem , it's the enviremont that needs to be adressed as it has had that need for year upon year upon year now. |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
361
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:23:00 -
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flakeys wrote: The gates is not the problem , it's the enviremont that needs to be adressed as it has had that need for year upon year upon year now.
This.
Low sec should be a place that high sec dwellers aspire to be but why bother when you can get rich from lvl 4's?
Don't get me started on FW. CCP apparently think their recent changes to the FW system system was good enough... Please  |

Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
194
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:33:00 -
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just cant resist. I largely camp now because i ran out of ppl that would fight me. Ironically i don't camp the gate.
To all everyone concerned over the fairness involving the H/O disqualification https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113351&find=unread |
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