I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

I like the attitude, like the balls and agree with the sentiment.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

Even with these changes pirates will still be able to catch you.

Don't get me wrong, I think people are overreacting. You only need 30 seconds to kill a target and warp back to your safe spot.

Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then?

You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?).

Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp.

Incredible Stupidity - Gate Camps are the LOGICAL first line of defense if you wish to protect assets, camping a gate doesn't automatically make you a "pirate". If you were intent upon defending your home from an outside threat, I'm willing to bet you would stake out the FRONT DOOR. Why let the intruder into your home to wander threw the kitchen and bedroom before "hunting them down"? I know where to find them - at the Gate...

If my Corp is running sigs or mining in lowsec, you can bet that we WILL HAVE a gate camp up to defend our assets.

just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates

You turds

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions?
You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right.

If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with.

Even with these changes pirates will still be able to catch you.

Don't get me wrong, I think people are overreacting. You only need 30 seconds to kill a target and warp back to your safe spot.

Do you understand what pirates are? They don't sit by an asteroid hoping that someone might come along. They sit by gates because 90% of people will enter the system through the gates.

I'm not a pirate, i'm actually affiliated with anti-pirate groups so don't misunderstand where i'm coming from here, but I feel that low sec should be policed by the players.

After a pirate group has ganked that noob in a rifter, do you think they are going to stick around for a good fight with an anti-pirate group while also taking massive amounts of gate gun fire? I think people will now only attack ships they know they can take out in a few seconds and then doc/pos up.

I don't consider myself a pirate, per se. I'm a mission runner and explorer. My Corporation just recently moved to Low Sec. To ensure that I felt like my new home felt "safe" I actively hunted people out on d-scan and went after them. I didn't sit on a gate hoping to poon someone that was passing through.

This is akin to those idiots that sat in front of an instance portal in WoW killing lvl 30's trying to get into SM. It's just silly and actually kind of a ***** move.

You have a d-scan. Use it. Get off gates. No one is impressed.

" I actively hunted people out on d-scan and went after them. I didn't sit on a gate hoping to poon someone that was passing through.

This is akin to those idiots that sat in front of an instance portal in WoW killing lvl 30's trying to get into SM. It's just silly and actually kind of a ***** move.

You have a d-scan. Use it. Get off gates. No one is impressed.

The gates is not the problem , it's the enviremont that needs to be adressed as it has had that need for year upon year upon year now.

How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions?
You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right.

If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with.

This.

Low sec should be a place that high sec dwellers aspire to be but why bother when you can get rich from lvl 4's?

Don't get me started on FW. CCP apparently think their recent changes to the FW system system was good enough... Please

well .. was SOMETHIGN at least:P In fact FW made a lot for low sec, increase commerce in low sec and the rpesence of a strong group (the militias) make some zones less inhabited by large static pirate activities.

I don't consider myself a pirate, per se. I'm a mission runner and explorer. My Corporation just recently moved to Low Sec. To ensure that I felt like my new home felt "safe" I actively hunted people out on d-scan and went after them. I didn't sit on a gate hoping to poon someone that was passing through.

This is akin to those idiots that sat in front of an instance portal in WoW killing lvl 30's trying to get into SM. It's just silly and actually kind of a ***** move.

You have a d-scan. Use it. Get off gates. No one is impressed.

Fights happen on gates because contact happens on gates.

Gates have the element of surprise (If the traveler doesn't have forward scouts) AND they must align and warp from a dead stop after exiting a gate (unlike a station, where you can instawarp with the proper bookmark). Gates are literally the only place a pirate can even attempt to take down a target who is merely traveling through the system.

The whole concept of piracy (In the oldschool naval sense) is to catch a ship going from point A to point B and steal its loot. Given EVE game mechanics, that is literally the only choice pirates have.

Looking at your stats on BC you have three kills in low-sec of wich a 2vs1 , a 10v1 and to top it off a 20vs1 . I think the people you are adressing will also not be impressed either as they rarely have a 10 man gang let alone a 20 man gang.

I'd suggest trying low-sec piracy with 1 or 2 friends for a month and not using the gates for your kills.I bet you'll be bored before the 2nd week is over because of lack of targets.


The gates is not the problem , it's the enviremont that needs to be adressed as it has had that need for year upon year upon year now.

Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then?

You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?).

Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp.

AFK Mining =/= AFK Gatecamping

Form fleet, burn up a POS? Form fleet, burn up a POCO? Thats what I'd be doing if I wanted to get into a fight. Eventually someone will respond.

And before you whine about grinding structures. HTFU. Want a curb stomp battle, gotta find a curb.

Would be interesting to see some CCP stats on how much % of PvP in the various securities that happen, where. At gates, stations, moons/POS, belt, etc. I am willing to bet that the top 2 % spots for PvP in both low and null is gates and moons. And guess what, moons will have a vast, vast impact on the future sec status if Greyskales/CSM get this crazy idea through. Usually at least one party that fight on a POS will eat GCC, and if you are logistic on lowsec POS fights (I have been a number of times), you can easily drop from +5 to -10 sec in just one fight. How do you plan for me to go home now that gates will fire on me just for sitting near them, without even aggressing?

Being below -5 just mean you can't travel anywhere without cyno. Great idea. And it also removes the two biggest places you'd be fighting at, gates, and POS, woohoo. Not that it matters, who'd fight in belts, custom offices, plexes etc if you risk dropping sec, then you can't travel home anyway?

I like the attitude, like the balls and agree with the sentiment.

I agree with this 100%.

When I first started playing it took me a while to pluck up the courage to venture into Lowsec. When I did I encountered my first gate camp, did the newb thing and panicked, and died pretty much instantly.

But I stuck at it. I learned, adapted and eventually figured out how to pass them, only to find the areas beyond pretty much deserted.

I got my first decent fight at a belt - I died quickly (again) but the adrenaline rush, my heart pounding, was what really made it for me.

I personally think that making it more difficult to camp on a gate is a good thing. The biggest barrier for new players is jumping through and dying instantly. That, coupled with the horror stories of how Lowsec is a death trap is enough to put most of them off from venturing outside Hisec.

IMO if Lowsec appeared to be safer - at least on entering - it might actually encourage newer players to take a bit more of a risk, possibly risk slipping a mining or mission running ship in with the thought of making bigger iskies.

Of course they'd more than likely get their ships popped but they'd at least be there. Maybe some would still give up, but I'm betting that a lot more would experience that same rush and try to adapt, learn new techniques to survive, and hopefully start to populate Lowsec.

Now more than ever I think CCP needs to improve new player retention, and I think this is a step in the right direction.

Gate camps were the reason I stayed out of ls for so long. Id be up for more powerful gateguns to push pilots to fight off gates. Downside would be traveling through lowsec would be far easier. I do wish pvp wasn't so often done at gates. Even in highsec wars its usually at gates, and stations where camping happens.

Maybe ccp will come up with a good solution to more encourage combat off gates and stations.

There is a reason for this. The reason is that combat happens where people are. People are not at belt 1, or at planet V, they are at the gates, or the stations.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

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Really, dudes? You honestly expect people to throw away competitive advantages? In everything you do, you're up against someone else, directly or indirectly. Do you think all your competition is also throwing away these advantages? Does your sense of e-honour have you in such an incredible stranglehold? I mean, I get it, I harbor some shreds of e-honour I have trouble letting go of too, but this isn't pistols at dawn. This is a shanking in a prison shower.

All this moaning about 'gate camping' is hillarious.

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to catch targets

Even with these changes pirates will still be able to catch you.

Don't get me wrong, I think people are overreacting. You only need 30 seconds to kill a target and warp back to your safe spot.

I agree that is the reason people generally fight on gates. However, why should it always be that way? Why not add in factors to either encourage pilots to be in belts, at planets etc?

It's amazing how the rest of the game thinks in a different way than I do. I have absolutely no sense of attachment or fear of loss or risk. If I lose a ship, I lose several millions sure, then I have to buy a new clone and fit a new ship, but big ******* deal?

Are all of these pirates seriously running around with pods and ships they can't afford to lose? What's wrong with you people. Stop being girly-men. Engage your target and fight to the death. If you lose your officer-fit rifter and 10b pod, that's your dumb-ass mistake not mine.

Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then?

You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?).

Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

So , as with the last null guy who showed the way to small gang piracy i'll just burst the bubble of this char too.


Battleclinic shows 119 kills of wich the largest portion was 50 to 200+ people on the killmail and the smallest i believe was a dramkill with 3 people. Not one single kill on your name , not even for a damn cyno kessie.

Regarding how you don't mind loosing crap as you say: 33 losses of wich the most expensive is a blackbird - you know the 5 mille isk ship - and all the rest are rifters and pods.


Now if you want to come in here and show the pirates how to properly pvp and compare it to your own awsomness then by all means post with a character that HAS a decent killboard showing his 1vs1 or 2vs1 fights and if possible low-sec kills would even top it offf to prove your point.

So as i told the other guy too , go to low-sec ALONE or with 2 to 3 friends at most and try it for a month and see how many kills you'll get that are not on the gates.Your small gang fleets are 30 guys , for a pirate fleet that's massive.Unless you have another char wich HAS pvp'd in low-sec you have absolutely no frikking idea what you're talking about.


And yet again just to re-iterate : i am not a pirate but these types of posts are just too hilarious/sad and full of air.

You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.

You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.

Educate yourself before you post bullshit, those pirates are not in right in the strait, they are in nearby shipping lanes. The straits themselves are gaurded by several nations warships.

"around the" not "around in the"

"around Choke Points" not "around in Choke Points"

A decent pirate corp/alliance cares about its killboard in much the same way as a hi-sec merc corp does. Both groups usually fit their ship to win, not by using t2 modules, but hi-end faction and in some cases officer mods. So when you get ganked, its not because they cheat, it's because they are better and more well prepared than you :-)

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Yeah because low sec entities never hot drop with 10+ BO's/reccons a single ship, hell I saw hot drop on a single command ship with those + supers...so funny indeed, wow, that's great stuff.

"around the" not "around in the"

"around Choke Points" not "around in Choke Points"

You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.

Yeah because low sec entities never hot drop with 10+ BO's/reccons a single ship, hell I saw hot drop on a single command ship with those + supers...so funny indeed, wow, that's great stuff.

You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

So , as with the last null guy who showed the way to small gang piracy i'll just burst the bubble of this char too.


Battleclinic shows 119 kills of wich the largest portion was 50 to 200+ people on the killmail and the smallest i believe was a dramkill with 3 people. Not one single kill on your name , not even for a damn cyno kessie.

Regarding how you don't mind loosing crap as you say: 33 losses of wich the most expensive is a blackbird - you know the 5 mille isk ship - and all the rest are rifters and pods.


Now if you want to come in here and show the pirates how to properly pvp and compare it to your own awsomness then by all means post with a character that HAS a decent killboard showing his 1vs1 or 2vs1 fights and if possible low-sec kills would even top it offf to prove your point.

So as i told the other guy too , go to low-sec ALONE or with 2 to 3 friends at most and try it for a month and see how many kills you'll get that are not on the gates.Your small gang fleets are 30 guys , for a pirate fleet that's massive.Unless you have another char wich HAS pvp'd in low-sec you have absolutely no frikking idea what you're talking about.


And yet again just to re-iterate : i am not a pirate but these types of posts are just too hilarious/sad and full of air.

And?

So because you saw it once its automaticly normal for lowsec, dont be ******* stupid. I can make the exact same claim about every major null sec alliance and guess what, it still means nothing!!

You have no problem with blobbing the crap out of things so I fail to see how you can complain about '90% of PVP being on gates' (It isn't and you are completely ignorant of the facts). Get a grip and learn to be competent.

Agreed, piracy has nothing to do with Quake or Team Fortress like PvP, it's not about being fair, it's about trying to make a profit. You go where the prey is and try to move to odds into your favor as much as possible.

And I don't do piracy, or any pvp, I'm just another carebear. There should be a big banner every time you start up EVE saying: THIS GAME IS NOT FAIR, DEAL WITH IT.

Around as in far, out of sight far, away.

So in gate terms, not in scan range.

We agree, pirates should not hang at the gates.

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I understand the problem which the OP has.
But it's a general problem of EvE and how it works.

Just two points:
1) you fly in a bubble which is 500*500 km (grid) and even Belts which are just 0,1 AU in distance are to far to travel without warp.

2) no collision detection. You can shot through Asteriods (HARD ROCK), Stations, other Ships and all the stuff which make fights tactical in other games. It's funny, that you can bump ships, rocks, stations ... but your weapons ignore them ALL.

First problem could be solved by makeing grids bigger like 2000km*2000km.

Second problem is easy to solve too.

But both problems can't be solved as CCP wanted to much with fights 1000 v 1000 v 1000 as they happen sometimes. The pur CPU power which woud be needed ... isn't invented till now ;).

Second problem (collisions/line of sight) is easy to WRITE a solution for, but if you know anything about computer science you know about the efficiency issue.

Why not add in factors to either encourage pilots to be in belts, at planets etc?

You've missed the point entirely. This isn't about what's fair or not. This is about people bitching that lowsec is dead. People have stated time and time and time and time again that they are afraid of gate campers. I hear it EVERY night. CCP tries to apply a fix to gatecamping to get people to move out of High and into Low, and they ***** more.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

Unless they [mission runners] pass through a gate right?

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No. They don't SIT IN A HARBOR and wait.

Why not add in factors to either encourage pilots to be in belts, at planets etc?

Because the new gate guns will one-hit everything as soon as you load grid, right?

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

How about... belts? POCO's, POS's, WH entrance/ exits, anomalies, complexes, missions?
You know, the more I think about it the more I feel the OP is right.

If you guys actually would get your sticky rear OFF those gates you probably had more targets to pew with.

You've missed the point entirely. This isn't about what's fair or not. This is about people bitching that lowsec is dead. People have stated time and time and time and time again that they are afraid of gate campers. I hear it EVERY night. CCP tries to apply a fix to gatecamping to get people to move out of High and into Low, and they ***** more.

Gate guns shooting outlaws and 'suspects' is bullcrap too. Gate guns are lowsec's version of Concord. What is the point of having them open fire on people for looting or canflipping?

I mean, so now when you suicide gank a hauler in highsec, not only does looting the wreck allow anybody to engage you....
but the gate guns open fire on you as well? Seriously? So if some vulture decides to engage you, you can't even really fight back properly because the gate guns roast you before you can even defend yourself.

Crimewatch = poop.

That exactly the point. Whatever arguments you (in general) make about the fact "OMAGAD LO SEC IS DED" is as pointless as the example I gave, but just like you (in general) served my argument. And no I haven't saw this only once, lived enough time in low to see this happen very frequently.

There's absolutely nothing starting by whatever argument that clearly shows low sec will be less populated, the only thing it shows is that some form of combat will be heavily hit, and that form is the roaming gangs.
If you read some decent and actually true pirates about this, they will tell you they don't gate camp and still have good fights and good prey witch only means those self proclaimed *pirates* because they're -10 moaning without true argument are just as bad as those carebears they hate so much.

So in the end, the true problem and the only one deserving strong attention is roaming gangs and how this will affect travelling abilities for those real pirates. This yes, I feel concerned about, not about all the moaning and bitching from -10 pubbies feeling bad boys just because they killed in less than 10 sec 20 (or whatever number) shuttles and those alt pods to look badass, those can die and quit I don't give a crap and Eve will just be better without them.

Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then?

You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?).

Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp.

That exactly the point. Whatever arguments you (in general) make about the fact "OMAGAD LO SEC IS DED" is as pointless as the example I gave, but just like you (in general) served my argument. And no I haven't saw this only once, lived enough time in low to see this happen very frequently.

There's absolutely nothing starting by whatever argument that clearly shows low sec will be less populated, the only thing it shows is that some form of combat will be heavily hit, and that form is the roaming gangs.
If you read some decent and actually true pirates about this, they will tell you they don't gate camp and still have good fights and good prey witch only means those self proclaimed *pirates* because they're -10 moaning without true argument are just as bad as those carebears they hate so much.

So in the end, the true problem and the only one deserving strong attention is roaming gangs and how this will affect travelling abilities for those real pirates. This yes, I feel concerned about, not about all the moaning and bitching from -10 pubbies feeling bad boys just because they killed in less than 10 sec 20 (or whatever number) shuttles and those alt pods to look badass, those can die and quit I don't give a crap and Eve will just be better without them.

God, why am I humoring you?

That killmail report sounds like it hasn't been updated in a while. I can't navigate that ****** battleclinic site though so I can't say for sure, but here's the facts as I know them (I know them pretty well): I don't go on 100+man gang fleets anymore, and I haven't for months. I podjump a lot, so there's that. I've only done frig roams lately and guess what? I don't have a shooting role in them. My job is to turn on my point and web and let other guys do the shooting. I'm not going to have any kills to my name and I'm completely OK with that. I'm happier knowing I'm the ******* who going a point on you than the one who deals the killing blow. Also, most goons don't give a **** about their K:D ratio and can't be arsed to upload a KM half the time. We link the in-game kill, laugh at the "elite pvp" idiots we pop, and move on. Now that we can see the value of a ship and a pod without uploading a killmail anywhere, I can see how my stats might be more anemic than they really are/

I would argue this game isn't really balanced around 1v1 stats or 3-man gang fights, either, but I'm sure my interceptor would lose on its own versus most things.

You're also not seeing all the deaths I don't have. I throw my ships around like they're worthless and I end up NOT DYING most of the time. It's weird how that is, but it might have something to do with not being an idiot. My insurance keeps running out on my interceptors and drakes and it kind of sucks I'm not dying more, honestly. Maybe I would if these mythical elite PvPers with epic battleclinic reports would grow a sac and engage a bunch of mostly T1 frigates, I would die more.

Sad truth is they're mostly a bunch of KM, K:D ratio whoring little children who are afraid to have "death by rifters" show up on their precious killmails.

It's amazing how the rest of the game thinks in a different way than I do. I have absolutely no sense of attachment or fear of loss or risk. If I lose a ship, I lose several millions sure, then I have to buy a new clone and fit a new ship, but big ******* deal?

Are all of these pirates seriously running around with pods and ships they can't afford to lose? What's wrong with you people. Stop being girly-men. Engage your target and fight to the death. If you lose your officer-fit rifter and 10b pod, that's your dumb-ass mistake not mine.

Sigh.... You see it's really not that simple and I admire your attitude and agree. The underlying issue really is the "hunt" you speak of. Targets in Low Sec are becoming more and more scarce. With less interest in the systems you hunt in where are said targets?

The underlying issue isn't people camping gates (even though a majority of people only do that) it really is the problem of having little to no targets whatsoever.

Many corps and alliances in low actually go to null to hunt only to find themselves quickly out manned and outgunned which leaves a bitter taste in peoples mouths. You really want to get those pussies off the gates? Give them a big juicy mouse to catch.

Don't you see that gate camps are the reason you have no targets. Why should I try to venture into lowsec if I have such a high chance of getting caught in a gate camp? You have chased away the prey and then use it as an excuse to chase away more.

No they haven't.I see this one come up every time.

As said it is VERRY easy to avoid losses at gatecamps to start with in low-sec.So it's not like the gatecamps are the reason no one ventures into low-sec.The reason is there is just no frikking reason to go to low-sec and take any risk even if it is a small one because there is allmost nothing that makes it worth it.

Gateguns do not need alteration , the damned low-sec itself does for years and years and years and once again CCP shows they do not care for those that live in low-sec but for those who wish to travel with ease THROUGH it.

Come on i don't live in low-sec and even i can see that , why are so many of you blind to it ?

that actually gets a +1

I don't know if that's true, man. I hear all the time on these forums and in game about people not wanting to go to low BECAUSE of gatecamping. Plain and simple. The ppl gatecamping won't admit that they're the reason there's no one in lowsec, but they are. That's all there is to it.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

So "real" pirates ignore the chokepoints with the highest traffic density and trawl round empty space hoping they get lucky and wander into someone's safespot?


Interesting.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

I hear all the time on these forums and in game about people not wanting to go to low BECAUSE of gatecamping. Plain and simple. The ppl gatecamping won't admit that they're the reason there's no one in lowsec, but they are. That's all there is to it.

People talk a lot and these people are generally ignorant and just making excuses. They hear about how there are gatecamps EVERYWHERE and you die on the first jump-in and rather than actually going out there and experiencing the truth for themselves, they believe and then pass on the bullshit that is fed to them,

Yes some gates are notorious but there are always alternative routes that avoid them. People that don't have a clue just die to the obvious hotspot on the system map and then decide that their one easily avoided death confirms there are indeed gatecamps everywhere while it simply isnt the truth.

You admit to being new to the game but try to speak as an authority figure with much experience. I suggest you climb down off your high horse and get some experience under your belt before coming in here and sounding like a fool.

like the balls

Lol. You don't get 'pummeled' by concord just for flying in high sec and you can indeed travel through those systems despite Navy aggro if you know how. Again, a little research and experimentation on your part will make you a more educated player.

It's plainly obvious from your first post here that you are unaware of some pretty simple game mechanics and that is my point entirely. Learn about what you are talking about before you start trying to claim facts.

Oh. You're one of THOSE players in EVE. Got it.

Oh. You're one of THOSE players in EVE. Got it.

Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.

you turds

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.

Oh no TEST called us cowards!

How's the Fountain renting coming along?

Redacted.

Oh no TEST called us cowards!

How's the Fountain renting coming along?

Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.

Says the TEST person, the scourge of blob warfare. :p

You mean one the people who bother to learn how the mechanics of the game they play actually work? Yeah, that's probably a pretty accurate assessment of Lady Spank.

I'm one of those players that safely get a ship through high sec with low security, yes. It's not exactly uncommon.

Can't avoid all of them. Having only a -3.1 can make your life hell. Earlier I had to make some jumps to get a ship contracted to me as I couldn't go into 7's.

In about 1-2 hours I will probably be in a similar situation as Boudicca as my main needs a new armorcane and can't enter high-sec without getting shot.

So far my plan is to haul it into low-sec with my (positive sec status) Orca alt but that's obviously pretty risky and if there is a camp I might have to wait for a few hours.

So if you have a suggestions how I can pick up the Hurricane with my main and make it safely back to low-sec I would be very interested.

All this moaning about 'gate camping' is hillarious.

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to catch targets

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to stop ppl moving around

Free targets for minimal risk is not good game play.

Tell us more about these cowards , i'm sure we can all learn from your 3 solo kills.Teach us how to not fear the rifter and pod o wise one.We all wanna be just like you.

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to stop ppl moving around

Free targets for minimal risk is not good game play.

this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.

this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.

this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.

remove local

guess you like the pvp to be the same all over eve then if you disagree with the rest then :P

but ehh im not here to argue CCP will **** over whatever they want to as usual and we'll all have to adapt or have a winter of rage with the only 3 guys that live in lowsec

Wha...?

He is helping you to reach for the block button.

you will be amazed op, but essential element of PVP are human players and for some reason, they happen to pass gates from time to time.

Not everyone can skip past gates without jumping through.

The problem is not so much the players, it's the game design. Sadly, fighting on gates is the most effective and fastest way to get kills, so you find all players there obviously. I had this mindset to get "good pvp" earlier as well, but after half a year of pirating in lowsec I just realized that it is a huge waste of time, so I just used my smartbomb BS and instalocking Mach on sniperspots until I got bored of it.

Eve just looks like it was a space game but lacks everything that lets you feel like you would actually travel through space. It is just moving from one fixed point to another, those fixed points are belts, stations, gates and another objects that you warp to. In between there is nothing and this is the problem.

If you would actually need to travel between those fixed points at varios speeds and if you had the ability to search and intercept ships mid- travel, then we would have more exciting and credible space combat. Also, the ability to warp away after couple of seconds of picking up speed kills various forms of PvP. It would be better if it would take more time to accelerate and the warp disrupting ability would be greatly reduced, this way ships would need to maneuver around way more and one would get more possibilities to intercept ships on other locations than just gates.

But then again this would mean a total redesign of the game so it's not gonna happen. I personally hope that some day there will be another space game that gets the space combat thing better than Eve.

Because you just click your fingers and you've destroyed a POS... Oh wait, i have to come back in 1 day 16 hours only to be hot dropped by 5 random corps?

I do shoot structures now and again but it's boring as **** most of the time and i'd pick unpredictable gate fights anytime.

Oh wait, i have to come back in 1 day 16 hours only to be hot dropped by 5 random corps?

5 random corps instead of three fleets and supercaps from 1 alliance?

Whose structure are you shooting?

If this is your only gripe then I say you lack tactical flexibility.

The act of reinforcing a tower pretty much guarantees a fight if the corp who owns it is willing to defend it. Is there a chance they bring more than you bargained on? Yes, it is warfare afterall and he'll want to win as badly as you do. No plan survives contact with the enemy.

In that case then maybe you need to pick your targets more carefully. To win fights you need to know what you're capabilities are as well as those of your opponent. And if you bring your entire assembled force to kill the tower, leaving nothing in reserve to deal with drops or to give you a chance to manage an extract if it goes to hell on you then I just don't know what to tell you.

All I'm saying is that if you want a fight (win or lose) going after something someone would like to keep is the quickest way to get one. The surest way to get an enemy to commit to battle to is to attack something he values. In EVE that happens to be structures and ships. Ships can run away, Structures cannot.

Also, look closely at the last sentence in my first post. I would classify your post as whining about grinding structures, ergo HTFU.

That may be how it is in Null sec with the Sov wars. But in low sec stuff turns into a cluster **** real fast.

Of course, it's a lot harder to tackle those supercaps, they can drop in and jump out pretty fast if they're good at it.

Too bad you don't have bubbles there.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, ... DERP

Yeah!

Everybody knows that REAL pirates went deep out to sea to find their victims. They didn't lurk in commonly used trade lanes or near lucrative seaports.

No Sir, they stayed away from where all the traffic and valuable cargo was.

Did they also attack in places where magical police would teleport in and blow them up?

Holy crap, I think we just discovered the fool proof way to stop the Somali pirate problem. Add sentries that "ramp up" and magical police to the ocean.

Don't the somali use small ships though? The current sentries that instapop frigates would be better than ones that ramp up, allowing those small ships to survive for a while.

If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.

Did they also attack in places where magical police would teleport in and blow them up?

I'm a goddamn new player