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Macmuelli
Gallente
Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2010.10.21 15:59:00 -
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A revote cant happend, at least they hosted the event in cooperation with Devian Art.
They setted up the rules for this contest, so breaking it, would bring more damage,then choosen 3 out of the actualy 15 semi finalists.
(i personal would not do any buisness in future with a cooperation, if they break his own rules)
Putting in the tornado, was a good move. So they have now ( my personal opinion) 3 very good entries, where they can pick up the winner.
Seeing not one of my own entries within the finals,comparing to an other one before (which is gone now), annoyed me a bit.
But at least "Art starts in the eye of the beholder", means working harder on my own skills.
If an event like this happend again, ( what i personal think will not happend , after all this negative s), it should be voted CCP intern.
my 2 cents
eve since 2003
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Ohanka
Caldari
The Lone Patrol
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ohanka on 21/10/2010 16:15:43
Edited by: Ohanka on 21/10/2010 16:12:49
Edited by: Ohanka on 21/10/2010 16:12:10
very disapointed, some of the worst ships of the whole contest are on here, almost none of them fit into the eve universe and several are just downright bad.
quite frankly alot of these ships look like they belong in a utter hack Sci-fi series that gets 5 episodes before cancellation and have a bloated, runaway CGI budget making ships some 8 year old think "looks cool" CCP should have judged the contest, not those hacks at deviantart. the only one that i believe deserves to be here is the Naru-Kami, really does suit the Caldari (maybe gallente, but it doesn't look like dogpoop). hoping the naru-kami wins personally.
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Lougen Mourkaii
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lougen Mourkaii on 21/10/2010 16:27:47
 Originally by: Marko Riva
Using judges who might never have played the game, who have no understanding of the racial design language and heritage is pretty much :lolCCP:. Thing is, it doesn't matter because the 2 really good designs made it in (next to some horrible ones), there's one Gallente design I'm missing but having to make a choice it wouldn't be the winner anyway.
- Naru-Kami
- Tornado
These are the two best, the only thing CCP should do is instead of choosing one of them they should use BOTH.
I agree, this would be fair from all angles. Have CCP select their top-15 (which would not take much time or effort, really), combine that with the top-15 from deviantART, and boil it down from those 30. Seems fair to me, and that would at LEAST find a way to incorporate some EVE-minds into the judging for god-sake.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:26:00 -
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It is so sad that so many very good concepts were overlooked.
Crappy contest. Should have been technical drawing with b&w only or rendered, mixing them was bad.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Ministry of Destruction
SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:27:00 -
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Very crappy top 15 selection. There are far better designs that were ignored.
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Verkala Ven
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
I kinda wanted to make sure that there was at least one decent entry that wasn't just a hanger ornament although I knew there where many DA members who played EvE.
While I do like the Tornado... Damn. Arrogant much? It's a good thing you came along so we'd have at least one entry that didn't suck!
I suggest a new contest following this: Find something - anything - that the EVE community CAN'T actually throw a fit over. I submit that to be far more challenging than simple art.
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Joshua Deakin
Gallente
Scavenge Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:40:00 -
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Very disappointed by the choices. I hope CCP ignores and selects new semifinalists. Only few qualifies on the current list, the added "Tornado" deserves to be there though.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Verkala Ven
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
I kinda wanted to make sure that there was at least one decent entry that wasn't just a hanger ornament although I knew there where many DA members who played EvE.
While I do like the Tornado... Damn. Arrogant much? It's a good thing you came along so we'd have at least one entry that didn't suck!
I suggest a new contest following this: Find something - anything - that the EVE community CAN'T actually throw a fit over. I submit that to be far more challenging than simple art.
to be fair, he wasn't talking about it fitting into the game world. He was talking about the ship actually being used for something. As in, not a shuttle/novelty ship design.
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:45:00 -
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Blummin hell, last night you never had the Tornado up there...
I was like WTF?!?!? Thats by far the best!!!
Glad to see its back up there...
Come on CCP, do the right thing! :)
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Verkala Ven
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:58:00 -
[250]
Originally by: MotherMoon
to be fair, he wasn't talking about it fitting into the game world. He was talking about the ship actually being used for something. As in, not a shuttle/novelty ship design.
If that is truly the case, he was simply wrong. Battleships and battlecruisers seemed to be by far the most popular submissions, at least of those I skimmed.
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DeGrifo
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:59:00 -
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Having given this some thought, Haven't CCP just shot both their feet off with this competition/result?
Given the uproar it has caused, and the vast numbers of high quality entries not actually given the time of day it seems to me that CCP have just vastly diminished their opportunities to bring us great looking ships in the future.
Any new ship model they design is now going to have to have NO resemblance at all to any of the ignored designs, for fear of plagiarism calls, and 'why didn't that one get put through, you've now gone and built a slightly changed version of it'
Basically its ensured that we will now never get to see any of these wonderful designs in the game, or anything slightly reminiscent at all. 
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cogetil
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Posted - 2010.10.21 17:12:00 -
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very disapointed, i don't undestand this choice.
I don't see any dream ship ...
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SFM Hobb3s
Up2-NoGood
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.10.21 17:39:00 -
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I sincerely hope that CCP will not stand up for DA on this matter. It's not just that Deviant Art failed the Eve community with this debacle, but they have also failed CCP. CCP had the right to expect that they would receive semi-finalists that were the cream of the crop. DA failed to deliver. Of this, there can be NO argument.
In the end CCP, it is up to you. We ask you to stand with us, your client base, and tell DA you insist on a better selection of finalists. Even if you look at the first three or four most popular pages of designs you will find many that far exceeded what DA picked.
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doombreed52
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Posted - 2010.10.21 17:46:00 -
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did anyone else want the mini carriers at all? That would add a whole new class of ships. but, either way the ones they choice just caused a $@!*storm. the reason behind this seems to be because of no eve minds had any say in the semi finalists. I mean couldn't we have got volunteers or something to have a few words to say. " No not that one that one would be silly in game, that one is much better." i mean this is going in a game that is basically a giant sandbox if we are going to look at it at least make it interesting to look at.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:15:00 -
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Since this is the 'official' talk about the ship contest thread here we go.
First I don't care about the finalists some looked good some bad, some fit better in EVE than others ultimately whatever is chosen will be worked into Eve somehow, why because that is what must happen if CCP is to honor the contest. For those angry at DA you might have some ground to stand on I don't know, I've read claims that the rules weren't enforced/adhered to properly as well as having read a 'post' from someone at DA about how/why the finalists made it in. BUT ultimately the 'blame' lies with CCP because they chose to let someone else run this contest, they could have easily done it themselves but didn't. I avoided these threads about the contest choices for the reasons I've listed but this is the 'official' talk about the contest thread. 
*I* am more curious on how that ship will be woven into EVE, will it alone be added as some LP item, sansha item drop, or who knows what, since allegedly the winner's ship is to be constructible by players which puts certain requirements on how it enters the game.
If it is a warship the question becomes will it alone be added as some sort of joint venture experimental ship available to all factions, T3 jack of all trades, or will it be a racial/faction ship and if so what about the other races/factions do they get some 'equivalent' ship model or will only the winner's race/faction (if the artist even thought that far ahead) be added to the game? If you don't follow what I'm asking, it is this, nearly all ships in EVE have racial/factional counterparts the exceptions being 'pure' industry ships like mining barges, AFAIK.
It seems 'logical' that CCP would have considered this and planned to add more ships to fill out the other factions/races the alternative being that someone thought it would be 'cool' to let someone design a starship for free press and never let the thought get beyond that. How else could one see a contest that is 'open' to designers making ships and not putting any requirements on them such as racial weapons, technologies etc? Ultimately someone could make something that doesn't 'fit' EVE at all let alone being a class that isn't needed/used ie a minesweeper, science vessel, etc. There should have been some thought on how CCP would handle adding more ships and in what manner for the future, more BS, more BC, more frigates, T3 versions of something etc, it is the how of it all I am curious about.
I certainly don't expect an answer, I've been here too long for that, but to me that is a bigger issue than the ships designed by people who don't play EVE not being the playerbase's favorites or 'fitting' EVE because in the end even a space toothpick could be woven into EVE for some made up reason just slap ORE on it, and you're set.
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Xevan Templar
Gallente
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: doombreed52
did anyone else want the mini carriers at all?
Yeah those looked great. I have them in my favorites, along with alot of other good entries Favorites. To bad my Katar had to lose also against the mayority of the last 15. Don't get me wrong, about 4-5 of them deserved to be in the top 15, but boy what a downer it turned out to be in the end.
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Almaria Assalla
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Almaria Assalla on 21/10/2010 18:25:52
I'm surprised that this http://fuzzymodem.deviantart.com/#/d30fun2
Didn't make the semifinals either...
Hell, they didn't even list it with the entries even though it clearly is.
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Shin Dari
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:26:00 -
[258]
Originally by: doombreed52
did anyone else want the mini carriers at all? That would add a whole new class of ships.
I wanted them this one looked really sweet:
http://kero40.deviantart.com/#/d2zau1f
I would love to see them as tier 4 BS.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:37:00 -
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My question is...why didn't CCP just host the contest themselves?
Syn Callibri
Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL]
Keeper of the Blood Pact
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:48:00 -
[260]
Anywayà
Originally by: Xero Cell
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lougen Mourkaii
Thousands of people are united in uproar over this "judging".
Riiiightà
Maybe you should hold back on that kind of statement before you have any actual numbers behind it. This "widespread outcry" of yoursà
àit's seems rather thin and quiet.
lolfail just wait and see, the top 15 was literally just announced. give it a full 24 hours and then you'll see the chaos that unfolds. and then you'll be hitting yourself for making such an ignorant statement. haha, that was funny man. hey wait, maybe you were joking? if so the joke was fail.
It's 24h later, and I must sayà
àI'm not hitting myself.
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Komen
Gallente
Flying Target LLC
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri
My question is...why didn't CCP just host the contest themselves?
No doubt for several reasons:
1) free advertising. Having the contest on a non-gaming website drums up interest and excitement. Every contest entry gets a free trial subscription, thus more people trying the game, and perhaps a few of them stick.
2) free advertising. Seeing at how this whole thing has turned into a debacle, we can expect yet more raging (as I've been doing). Hey, even bad press is still press, right?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
OWTBS Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:02:00 -
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Actually by hosting it on deviant art, you get a lot of non eve players entering the contest, you know outside talent, and i saw a few good entries from outsiders, who did in fact keep in with the spirit of eve.
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Forte805
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:03:00 -
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I personally had my money on this one...
http://spinner-vision.deviantart.com/art/Caldari-Battleship-178773485
what a shame ships this good are ignored while an Amarian vagina gets picked for a finalist >_>
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SeaShadow
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: SeaShadow on 21/10/2010 19:11:26
To be honest I am really disappointed with this contest. It had such great potential, and there were so many great entries, but now we are left with this mess. I understand that this contest had many purposes (more advertising for EVE, get the EVE community involved/excited for the event, etc.) There was a formal arrangement between CCP and DA, and as such there are rules that have to be enforced. HOWEVER, I feel that one of the rules was not enforced by DA.
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* Entries must depict a starship suitable for integration into EVE Online (Examples: image, video);
Links to examples of the ships found in the EVE universe were listed for reference. To me it seems apparent that contest entrants were expected to do some research on what is suitable for EVE. This leaves the expectation that submissions should have been made with consideration given to how such a ship would fit in the EVE universe. Ship designs that do not fit this criteria would not be eligible to move on in the contest.
It seems apparent that many feel that this was not the case (myself included.) Seriously, many of those entries that made it to the finals are just ridiculous, and are not "suitable for integration". Sure CCP can modify and alter any design to get it into the game, but I do not think CCP intended it to end up like this. As such I think that CCP has grounds to work out a deal with DA to fix this issue. As to how and what that may be is up to them. But I hope that it involves the enforcement of the rules which means the semi-finalists would need to fit into the EVE universe. Then we can have 15 ships that truly belong in EVE; each one up for careful consideration by CCP for integration into the game.
Perhaps to save face with the DA community, those of the current 15 who do not qualify by the aforementioned rules could get a small prize for their efforts and work (maybe a free month or two to EVE?). This would show our appreciation for their efforts, and would also give them an opportunity to see why there is such a vocal response from the community.
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Anslo
First Flying Wing Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Anslo on 21/10/2010 19:37:09
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=escort+carrier#/d2zi9me
Why didn't this win...of all the possibilities...of all the great ideas...this didn't get in...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:53:00 -
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At least the one ship I would change my skillplan for is now in the final 15 rather than the LA-battlewut. Still a lot of other ships that just seem much better than what was put in. Kinda upset about the Antares not making the cut and the hyperion mk II looked great.
But Tornado makes me happy, want it so bad
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
LA-battlewut
ahaha
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Stormesses
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:29:00 -
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Scimitar didn't make it. So sad. Sad so sad. So sad sad.
P.S.
Sad.
P.P.S.
But it probably better riiiight?
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Verkala Ven
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo
Edited by: Anslo on 21/10/2010 19:37:09
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=escort+carrier#/d2zi9me
Why didn't this win...of all the possibilities...of all the great ideas...this didn't get in...
They do look great. But they didn't follow the rules.
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The six views should be clean, uncolored line drawings / illustrations / schematics of the exterior hull of the starship.
Rules like "suitable for inclusion" are vague and subjective, and can adapt over time. I wouldn't have considered the Hurricane "suitable for inclusion" as a Minmatar ship before it came out. Rules like "clean, uncolored line drawings" are not really subjective. The 6-view drawings provided are obviously shaded, and therefore not line drawings.
Think of it a lot like a resume. When you're applying for a job you may be AWESOME for that job, but your potential employer has to sort through a lot of paper. If you have typos on your front page, or ignore specific requirements (say to include your GPA), then it becomes an easy way to filter yours out of the pile that requires actual reading.
Same thing here. They had a great many submissions, many of them outstanding. Choosing between them gets a lot easier when someone doesn't pay attention to the rules.
Almost all of the griping that people seem to have about the judging not following the rules comes down to the highly subjective rules. But nobody seems to be stepping up on submissions like this one and saying "Yeah, they're gorgeous designs, but he shot himself in the foot."
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:32:00 -
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And it just gets worse:
Originally by: Merin
Anonymous as in the judges have absolutely no information about who created each entry (IOW, usernames, artist signatures, comments posted on the entry, etc, are all removed before the judges see the entry). This is pretty much standard practice for any kind of high-stakes contest like this.
Obviously this is somewhat difficult since the entries were posted in public before judging (IMO, a very bad decision), but what attempts, if any, were made to make things anonymous?
Originally by: Deviantart director of community relations
Ahh I appreciate what you are saying now but no we don't have that sort of contest mechanism here. To be honest with millions of members it's not really likely that it's going to effect the outcome ie: Personal bias.. but I do get what you're saying.
TL;DR: no attempt was made to give the judges anonymous entries, so that earlier speculation that the judges could have been influenced by DA participation/popularity/favorite artists/etc? Yeah, not so unreasonable now...
And even if the judges were 100% honest, it raises a very serious question: if deviantart was not prepared to do basic things like this, WHY THE HELL WERE THEY HOSTING THE CONTEST?
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