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Bizarre
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Posted - 2005.01.12 11:58:00 -
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I find the Typhoon to be one of the most entertaining battleships due to its versatility. However I'm having some problems with grasping the current special abilities it gets. Currently it's like this:
Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret firing speed and 10% to Large Projectile Turret optimal range per level.
However, the typhoon has only 4 turretslots and another 4 missile slots. Wouldn't it be nice to give the typhoon a small ROF bonus for missile launchers?
I haven't worked out stats because I'm not very good at stuff like that, but I thought I'd throw in an idea for us to discuss.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.01.12 12:04:00 -
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I think a mining laser yeld bonus would be better
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Activor Faust
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Posted - 2005.01.12 12:10:00 -
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Biz,
Agree. No other ship has a weapons related bonus that only applies to 50% of its slots.
A small missle bonus would be sensible as would something that increased tanking ability. Maybe 5% less duration or extra boost to armour repair modules?
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.01.12 12:36:00 -
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typhoon needs 5% missile launcher & large proj. ROF 
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Moridan
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:12:00 -
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It needs to swap something like 800 sheild for 800 armor.
It needs a 5th med slot so i can fit a ab, 3 rechargers, and another module.
It needs a bonus to missles ROF.
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Magorath
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:17:00 -
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Agree, a launcher ROF bonus would instead of the optimal range bonus would suit the typhoon quite well.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:25:00 -
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Actually I think they need to take off 1 launcher point and add a 5th Turret point.
5/3 turrets to missiles
4 mid
7 lows
Its would then use its bonus properly and not rely on missiles so much.
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ZoRzEr
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: ZoRzEr on 12/01/2005 19:29:24
I've flown Typhoon for 8 months now and I havent even thought about changing.
What bonus I'd personally like to see is:
5% Bonus to Missile Launcher RoF
-5% Bonus to Armour Repairer Duration
Or something in that direction, as I dont even use projectiles on it anymore. I gave up on them awhile ago. Those two existing bonuses are outdated and need an update
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Hoolk
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:46:00 -
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Agree, something needs to be done with this ship.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:56:00 -
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The good thing about 4 missiles slots, is that it allow you to pound scorpions. FoF cruises do less damage, but you're tanked, while the EW scorp very probably isn't.
Of course, finding lone scorpions is quite hard these days...
For the Typhoon, I'd like to see those bonuses: -5%/lvl rate of fire for large projs and large missile launchers, and -5%/lvl to sig radius.
The combination of small sig radius and speed would make it truly unique, and make really different tactics.
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Chee
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Posted - 2005.01.12 20:39:00 -
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agreed, the bonus needs a change
but, its a tier 1 bs, lets not overpower it
I would not like to see 5/3 gun/missile slot layout, that nerfs the versatile part about the phoon which I really like
its versatile, so it should not get too overpowered on its many uses, else it would be too powerfull compared the 'less-versatile' bs's
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absolute
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Posted - 2005.01.12 21:41:00 -
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I would love to see a 5% rof for missiles bonus.
Even if it had to replace the 10% range bonus which is hardily used.
The typhoon is such an underdog, so i will root for it.
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.01.12 21:50:00 -
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I wouldn't have too much of a problem if it had a missile bonus ontop of the projectile one.
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Lihnuz
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Posted - 2005.01.12 21:52:00 -
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i would like 5% bonus to noseferatus.. 
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lollerskates
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Posted - 2005.01.12 23:44:00 -
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-10% resemblence to an in-sink erator (garbage disposal) per level.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2005.01.13 01:00:00 -
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The Typhoon is the only BS I haven't flown. I was just going to try one when they nerfed projectiles.
The 10% to Optimal has always seemed silly, considering it's the battleship with the lowest targeting range (well, back when 1400s ruled all).
-5% to large projectile and missile launcher RoF would be nice... but they might actually make it TOO powerful.
(remember that missiles are powerful as they are, and the Scorp has no damage-increasing bonuses, the Raven only has one)
 Originally by: DB Preacher
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2005.01.13 05:14:00 -
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5% bonus, would make it more used. However, i do feel it might be a little over the top (with 4 dual 425's it will have about as much power as a raven).
Either make it 4%, or make it 5% and take off the projectile bonus and put something else in (i actually suggest 5% to nosferatu).
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Meridius
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Posted - 2005.01.13 05:46:00 -
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Personally, i would rather see a bonus that gives it a proper role like the other tier 1 bs.
Geddon is damage, scorp is EW and the dom is drones; i could never figure out what the typhoon was meant for 
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Daiken
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Posted - 2005.01.13 06:00:00 -
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Damn yah, would love to have a missile bonus on the Typhoon. But I think that would make her too strong.
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Jakal
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Posted - 2005.01.13 09:35:00 -
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id like to see the typhoon replace the 5% projectile rof bonus with a 5% laucher rof bonus. it would be nice if minmatar BSs hybrid nature was reflected in its skill bonuses.
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:01:00 -
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It would be nice, but i am not sure if it wasn't to powerfull then?
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:05:00 -
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i would say change one bonus into a missile bonus.
perhaps change the optimal range bonus into a 5% Rof bonus to missiles?
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Jakal
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:10:00 -
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i dont think these changes would make it too powerful. its not like it has so much cpu and PG that it could put on big guns and seige lauchers and still have the cpu and grid for a powerful tank. i think it would make it more like a geddon in that it could either be fitted to deal damage or tank.
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Jakal
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jakal on 13/01/2005 10:13:26
Originally by: Hakera
i would say change one bonus into a missile bonus.
perhaps change the optimal range bonus into a 5% Rof bonus to missiles?
i dont think it would be likely that they would give it 2 rof bonuses.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:25:00 -
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4x Dual 425 Autocannon II
4x Named siege
1x Quad lif
1x web
1x scrambler
1x injector
1x Large Named Armour Repairer
1x Med Tech II Armor Repairer
3x Hardeners
1x Reactor Control II
1x Damage modifier
That will fit on PG, not too sure about CPU, would def fit with named Dual 425 though.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
fras
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:27:00 -
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Anything other than the optimal bonus would help.
A launcher rof bonus might be too much (although not compared to the damage an arma can dish out), but something like an armour rep bonus would be nice.
I also think it would be a good idea to combine damage mods into one type for missles and guns like was suggested on the forum a few days ago.
I like the typhoon and i know alot of other people do, but it offers virtually nothing (2 or 3 more launched drones and a few m/s base speed) over the tempest. All other tier 1 BS have some distinct & worthwhile advantages over their tier 2 counterpart.
In my mind you'd pick the Typhoon because it either looks good, you want to be different or you don't have the isk for a Tempest.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 13/01/2005 10:41:22
I'd make it into a more missile oriented ship, personally. Change that optimal range bonus to a missile rate of fire bonus. It wouldn't be overpowering... the Raven has it, too. (and the caldari all know how the raven is NOT OVERPOWERED...  )Then give it one extra turret, and one extra missile slots. 5 turrets 5 missiles.
Then give it a slight velocity boost/lower mass or both.
There, a versatile, quick and powerful ship. A truly Minmatar design.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2005.01.13 11:17:00 -
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How about +5% to ship velocity instead? That would emphasize it's role as the fastest BS there is.
The more I think about it, +5% to missile launcher RoF would make it too powerful. It could have the +10% to missile velocity though.
Originally by: DB Preacher
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Amrotis
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Posted - 2005.01.13 11:30:00 -
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A +5% launcher ROF would overpower it imo. It would have a higher DoT output than a raven with a better tank (and at half the price).
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.01.13 11:37:00 -
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I think most people want missile bonus simply because missiles are so uber, imo it would overpower the Phoon.
Originally by: Kaylona Tso
Actually I think they need to take off 1 launcher point and add a 5th Turret point.
5/3 turrets to missiles
4 mid
7 lows
Its would then use its bonus properly and not rely on missiles so much.
This makes a lot more sense. It would not help extremly much with gimped large turrets, but it's far more logic than a missile bonus which no other Minmatar ship have.
It has a huge dronebay while no other Minnie has particulary large ones, why make it even more special by giving it missile bonus.
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Karl Staf
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Posted - 2005.01.13 11:40:00 -
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seriulsy, a bonus to noseferatus would proboly be a very nice thing, It would make it stand out toward all other BS and make use of the ships strong point speed (need that to get upp close and personal and stay ther) and a above average abilley to armor tank.
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fras
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Posted - 2005.01.13 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: fras on 13/01/2005 13:07:58
why do people think the Typhoon is that good at armour tanking? Just because it has 7 low slots doesn't make it so.
equal lowest cap
excluding caldari it has second lowest grid
equal lowest armour
I wouldn't say that's above average.
I'm with Jazz Bo a missile velocity bonus sounds like the best idea so far.
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.01.13 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rexy on 13/01/2005 14:10:59
Edited by: Rexy on 13/01/2005 14:10:32
with good(perfect skills) you can use 4x 1400II's + 4x siege launchers + a decent shieldtank using 6/7pdu'sII(perhaps a coprocessor in there). also you can launch 10 heavy drones and have the choice of which one to use.
A typhoon is very skill intensive, and surely could use a change of bonuses. the Rof on both launchers and guns sounds appealing. but dont go overboard with the bonusses, because with good skills it will be come an unstoppable beast :)
Edit: the slot layout and turrets/missiles is fine as it is now, if i want more turrets i can always switch to the tempest.
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absolute
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Posted - 2005.01.13 20:27:00 -
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A bonus to noseferatus would give the typhoon a great nich. It seems to be a great alternative to the missile bonus, which I don't believe would make the phoon unbalanced compared to a raven.
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Hygelac
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Posted - 2005.01.13 21:26:00 -
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Would love to see some sort of armour tanking bonus on this ship, or perhaps a drone control bonus (I'm sure this will upset Domi pilots).
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mBay
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Posted - 2005.01.13 21:31:00 -
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give the phoon a bonus to nos's
1 no other standard ship has that = an uniqe role
2 rp wise it makes sense for min to bould a ship that hits the weakspot for amarr ships
3 the phoon is the only tier1 bs that dont have its own role.
a missil bonus bonus is surley good but this would be more interesting :)
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2005.01.13 22:02:00 -
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If a ROF bonus for missile launchers seems like too much, how about a 5% explosive damage bonus.
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Chee
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Posted - 2005.01.13 22:07:00 -
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I like the no definate role of the typhoon, dont give it a focus, its supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades sort of thing
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.01.13 22:18:00 -
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"I like the no definate role of the typhoon, dont give it a focus, its supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades sort of thing"
"5% bonus to Ambiguity per level." :s
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Jakal
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Posted - 2005.01.14 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 13/01/2005 10:41:22
I'd make it into a more missile oriented ship, personally. Change that optimal range bonus to a missile rate of fire bonus. It wouldn't be overpowering... the Raven has it, too. (and the caldari all know how the raven is NOT OVERPOWERED... )Then give it one extra turret, and one extra missile slots. 5 turrets 5 missiles.
Then give it a slight velocity boost/lower mass or both.
There, a versatile, quick and powerful ship. A truly Minmatar design.
the problem is its versatility isnt reflected in its skill bounuses.
what i think this thread is about is that the typhoons slot layout isnt reflected in its skill bonus. all other BSs get a skill bonus that effects from 100%-66.6% of its high slots and the tyhpoon skill bonuses affect only 50% of its high slots.
i think changing the typhoons slot layout would do more harm then good to minmatar ship balance.
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fras
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Posted - 2005.01.14 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: mBay
give the phoon a bonus to nos's
1 no other standard ship has that = an uniqe role
2 rp wise it makes sense for min to bould a ship that hits the weakspot for amarr ships
3 the phoon is the only tier1 bs that dont have its own role.
a missil bonus bonus is surley good but this would be more interesting :)
The idea sounds cool but I don't really think the phoon has the grid to take advantage of heavy nos well enough, not unless u make big sacrifices in your setup elsewhere.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2005.01.14 09:43:00 -
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Yarr, well this would be the best nos typhoon i could think of. 4x named siege, 4x heavy nos, 3 x cap recharger II, 1x warp dis, RC II, PDU II, 2 large rep II, 3 hardener. that can fit, but not sure about damage.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Jakal
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Posted - 2005.01.14 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbeh
Yarr, well this would be the best nos typhoon i could think of. 4x named siege, 4x heavy nos, 3 x cap recharger II, 1x warp dis, RC II, PDU II, 2 large rep II, 3 hardener. that can fit, but not sure about damage.
what would you do to if your target was 25km away and had a mwd? or just a mwd. leave? what happens if you get ecmed and cant target? ill tell you cuase it happened to my first nosseyphoon. you die and lose all those expensive and rare mods.
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mBay
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Posted - 2005.01.14 12:19:00 -
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well clearly there will be counter to a nos phoon like range, ew etc. and so it should
if i put nos's on a phoon i use
4 x siege and 4x hevie nos
mwd, cap things
2xlarge repair, 3hardners, powercore thing, caprelay
if u want to be a "one man army" u can put a scramber in the meds.
This is a nice setup but to make it really good we would need shipbonus to drain the enemies tanking/damage ability fast.
the dot for this setup isent very high but that really dosent matter cuse it will turn off the guns of a blasterthron and gankgeddon and it will turn of the tanking for an apoc and raven
oh i agge that the phoons powergrid needs an increase
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.01.14 13:21:00 -
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the typhoon is fine imo, when i armor tank i cant fit the bigger guns, well that seems logical. and if i want i can fit 4x1400+4xsiege's on it and fit a decent shield tank or a small armor tank even(using pdu's). the only thing it's not good at is is fitting a dual repper tank with the heavy guns. is that why you think it needs more grid?
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2005.01.14 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bobbeh on 14/01/2005 18:05:57
Originally by: Jakal
Originally by: Bobbeh
Yarr, well this would be the best nos typhoon i could think of. 4x named siege, 4x heavy nos, 3 x cap recharger II, 1x warp dis, RC II, PDU II, 2 large rep II, 3 hardener. that can fit, but not sure about damage.
what would you do to if your target was 25km away and had a mwd? or just a mwd. leave? what happens if you get ecmed and cant target? ill tell you cuase it happened to my first nosseyphoon. you die and lose all those expensive and rare mods.
If they are 25km you can warp out if you have to. Usually MWD ships want to get close to you. And ecmed, well if this is a 1v1 you will be able to beat an serious TJ'er with drones and 4 f.o.f. But then again, i havetn tried it so your probably right.
edit: mbay you cant fit that with one powergrid thingy.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
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Posted - 2005.01.14 20:00:00 -
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A minimal change would be to replace the range bonus with a 5% explosive missile damage bonus. But this is only 1/4 of a rof bonus. Something in between thses two would be balanced. Either
1. 4% missile rof
2. 5% explosive and kinetic missile damage.
3 6-10% explosive missile damage.
4. 5% missile explosive damage and 10% velocity on explosive missiles
Or just forget damage all together and go for
4. 5% nos
5. 5% amour repair amount
6. 5% sig radius
7. 5% ship speed.
Changing the slot count so that their are 5 turrets will only make it an inferior version of the tempest.
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Jakal
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Posted - 2005.01.14 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbeh
Edited by: Bobbeh on 14/01/2005 18:05:57
Originally by: Jakal
Originally by: Bobbeh
Yarr, well this would be the best nos typhoon i could think of. 4x named siege, 4x heavy nos, 3 x cap recharger II, 1x warp dis, RC II, PDU II, 2 large rep II, 3 hardener. that can fit, but not sure about damage.
what would you do to if your target was 25km away and had a mwd? or just a mwd. leave? what happens if you get ecmed and cant target? ill tell you cuase it happened to my first nosseyphoon. you die and lose all those expensive and rare mods.
If they are 25km you can warp out if you have to. Usually MWD ships want to get close to you. And ecmed, well if this is a 1v1 you will be able to beat an serious TJ'er with drones and 4 f.o.f. But then again, i havetn tried it so your probably right.
edit: mbay you cant fit that with one powergrid thingy.
bobbeh its my firm belief that arranged 1v1s prove nothing about the capabilities of a ship or its pilot. all it proves is that your setup was better against his setup then his was against yours. in PvP you should alawys expect enemy reinforcements, i just hope that dont get there in time.
the tpyhoon bonuses dont reflect its slot layout. this is what i think we should be talking about.
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Holi
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Posted - 2005.01.14 21:09:00 -
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Just to throw in a few others:
+5% afterburner boost
-5% mwd cap penalty
+5% explosive drone damage
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2005.01.15 18:27:00 -
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completely agree jakal, thats why i run a more damaging close range setup that allows me to web and scramble targets. As for the typhoons second bonus, im not sure what would be fair.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
unfunf
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Posted - 2005.01.15 18:33:00 -
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Somethings needs to be done, but i dont want to se any ab bonus or something like that, better with rof or something offencive imo.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2005.01.15 20:00:00 -
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I say that something needs to be done as well.
In my opinion it just doesn't make sense to give a ship a bonus that only affects half of its weapons
I agree with most of the people who posted here that the 10% Optimal bonus isn't... well... optimal at all.
I don't get why a 5% RoF bonus to Launchers unbalances the ship. It would just be a bonus to the other half of the ships weapons. Geddons get a RoF bonus to all of their weapons as well. They o deal a lot of damage but aren't severally imbalanced. It wouldn't kill the balance on the phoon, considering that the projectiles are somewhat gimped anyways and people who think they have to fit other weapons still only get a bonus to half their weaponry.
Still, the Phoon needs to get its bonuses revamped. Perhaps one could even drop the RoF bonus to projectiles and replace it with 6% tracking on large projectile turrets or something. While a RoF bonus to the launchers may not be optimal, a velocity or a explosive damage bonus could be.
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MinnieME
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Posted - 2005.01.15 20:26:00 -
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Why not just change the optimal range bonus to a max velocity bonus, give us minnies a bonus "unique" to us, that optimal range bonus ain't that usefull anyway, so to recap new boni, -5% ROF, +5% max velocity
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.01.15 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: MinnieME
Why not just change the optimal range bonus to a max velocity bonus, give us minnies a bonus "unique" to us, that optimal range bonus ain't that usefull anyway, so to recap new boni, -5% ROF, +5% max velocity
:/ typhoon goes fast enough, typhoon needs more firepower not more speed.
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Temekin Sajek
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Posted - 2005.01.16 18:49:00 -
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5% bonus to armour tankage is the best idea. Fits the unusually short ship description too. It could use with an max armour boost as well
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.01.22 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Domalais on 22/01/2005 18:19:37
Originally by: Jazz Bo
The more I think about it, +5% to missile launcher RoF would make it too powerful. It could have the +10% to missile velocity though.
+10% velocity and +10% optimal would combo very well to actually making it a useful ranged ship. (1200 + torps/cruise perhaps)
+10% velocity and +5% rof would combo for nice dmg.
Velocity 4 teh w1n.
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Flammius
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Posted - 2005.01.22 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Flammius on 22/01/2005 18:26:36
10% explosive dmg bonus (instead of optimal) and a 5/5 slot layout (turret/launcher), now that would be cool.
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Ayms
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Posted - 2005.01.22 22:30:00 -
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Oh, I like the + to speed in exchange for the rof. Remember a +10% optimal, at say BS lvl3 is +30%, or, in other words, you can use 2 power lvls higher ammo, without the range hit. ie, Phased Plasma is only a -7.5% ammo. Thats like the damage bonus a 'pest gets. But different.
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