You seem to think that if the miner has to warp off to avoid combat, then the pirate wins.

- Miner warps to station
- Miner undocks in Caracal and warps back to belt/grav
- Pirate uses d-scan and picks up Caracal on scan
- Pirate warps to safespot/station and switches to Tengu

You probably already know how that will continue.

Also, most can flippers don't fly Tengus so that shows how much you know.

Zero Risk?

Everyone in your corporation can attack them, they are the only ones who can tackle you so ECM Drones or backup ECM = near guaranteed escape if they have Logi and since they can't fire until you aggress them it means you can do so with a duel web so no kiting or dodging shots and you get to decide before the fight if it is a ship you can 100% beat or escape from.

Can fights are pretty much 100% in favor of victim. Please tell me the zero risk part was ironic.

Also, most can flippers don't fly Tengus so that shows how much you know.

Well... then why would miners be any different?

Ok so can someone explain to me how with the new mechanics you can gank and loot a freighter after Crimewatch 2.0 with out losing your freighter?

I hope the above illustrates how clearly care bears need to HTFU and educate themselves, instead of CCP implementing 'CRIMEWATCH' and effectively killing a whole (enjoyable IMHO) avenue to ad-hoc pvp in hisec....

Why are we still talking about can flipping? That's so minor compared to the other issue at hand.

I'm coming into the thread because I'm bothered by the fact that people are ignoring the real issue.

It's the m***** f***in pandas again, isn't it...?

It's the m***** f***in pandas again, isn't it...?

Haha, how many times did you make three poor choices and lose ships because of it? Love killing the dumb. To let them live is a disservice to Eve.

Hope to see you soon, or at least before crimewatch is implemented.

Auar

You're so wrong it's not even funny. There's ofcourse different kinds of can flippers so I can only speak for my (former) self.

- I WANT you to have multiple corp members in local, preferably all over 6 months old, the older the better as that means they'll fly bigger and more expensive ships and get more cocky
- I WANT you to have "security" in the belt, generally that means I'll get shot at
- I don't CARE for your hauler or retriever kill, they mean nothing to me as they have no value and thus can't be ransomed
- I WANT you to come back in something good because I know full well that, being a miner, you'll be **** at using it and that means easy target worth a lot of isk, resulting is nice ransoms
- there's many ways miners can avoid being can flipped, even when they're jetcanning! All it takes is some basic understanding of the game mechanics, some ingenuity and some ******* EFFORT. It happen fairly often that I just can't even GET the jet can or can't entice the previous owner to do something stupid, when that happens I wish him good luck and go my merry way to find someone who IS a moron and will do moronic dumb ****
- there's many ways a corp can protect themselves after being can flipped and kill the can flipper in a fight. (hint, most of the dumb carebears fly caldari, it's not very difficult to put a fitted blackbird in your Orca now is it)


I have no problem in stating that it's easy kills most of the time because it is but then again, gatecampers also want easy kills, blobbers in 0.0 also want easy kills and pirates in low sec, guess what... they want easy kills. The difference is that miners/bears whine about how unfair it is and how CCP should do something about it, while people who actually understand EVE point at the options said miner has and go "you have the tools for the job, it's up to you to make it happen".

"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."

"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."

hahahah! so true are your tears and exactly what I was saying. You scrubs and awful shtt-pvpers have had it far too easy in EVE. About time CCP started to change pvp into less of a joke. Good time for me to start playing.

Cry more baddies.