Gotta remember, these changes are to "protect the nubs" from the nasty people. .

Not at all. If they wanted to protect the nubs, they could make concording for canflipping in high sec. This change is about adding some actual risk to being a douchebag. No longer can awful players choose the riskless "pvp" they desire, they will actually have to take a risk of being attackable by anyone, not just their chosen target. Like other players have said, can flippers are out for easy kills, they will dock the very moment they feel they might be in danger. Real pvpers get their kills outside high sec.

Not at all. If they wanted to protect the nubs, they could make concording for canflipping in high sec. This change is about adding some actual risk to being a douchebag. No longer can awful players choose the riskless "pvp" they desire, they will actually have to take a risk of being attackable by anyone, not just their chosen target. Like other players have said, can flippers are out for easy kills, they will dock the very moment they feel they might be in danger. Real pvpers get their kills outside high sec.

Crimewatch is easy mode for freighter pilots. You'll be able to fly around anywhere you want with whatever cargo in highsec because nobody's going to try ganking you. Why? Any freighter that gets ganked full of cargo will need freighters to scoop the loot. What happens when the freighter scoops the loot? With crimewatch, they'll get flagged to anyone and everyone and be kill on sight. Nobody's going to try ganking freighters because then anyone will be able to shoot your freighter.

If this isn't dumbing down the game, I don't know what is.

As a can flipper, I approve this message. There is absolutely risk involved and if someone is 'pirate baiting' (this happens) then you are set up to lose as you cannot effectively aggro their Remote Reps and you are a sitting duck against their corp.

While rare. people do set alts out on belts to lure flippers and kill them with ease. I have even done this to run other flippers out of systems I flip in.

Hm? If you are mining with a corpmate sitting nearby in a combat ship and someone comes along and takes something out of your can then your corpmate can alpha him into oblivion. What more do you want?

The miner never sees action in this case or even "danger" but he is able to participate if he "chooses" to. Why do we need to hire other people into that? Its allready pretty one sided, dont you think?

Do you want a way to shoot a guy that "might" harm your mining in predefence without the guy actually doing something? Are you serious?

I have a question for you. In this engagement, who fired the first shot?

no, potentially zero risk is right. The can fiipper get to chooses his target, no the other way around, and he can easily pick a target that has no chance of retaliation. Its natural that theives would be attackable by anyone after they stole. To say can fights are 100% in favor of the victim is 100% moronic.

The canflipper. I took back what I thought was my stuff. I didnt know what canflipping was. What it entailed. Yes I got the warning but there was nobody around. I was well, and truely suckered into a LM.

I was a prime target. A noob newb. What these guys prey on. While you cannot fix stupid. THIS enables the new and vulnerable to have some active protection. Not just a week long wait for a petition.

... that the miner can legitimately hire me to kill stuff (before it fires). As of now it's frustrating to see the targets come close and have to wait for them to open fire or do something.




Why, mercs exist and I don't recall them having to signup an EULA to play only when the targets have it fair.




Considering I proposed on the Ideas forum ways to make hi sec like 0.0 and remove concord and NPCs? Heh for what I care there shold be only few hi sec islands for newbies and the rest free for all.

I understand "Pro hi sec PvPers" being scared even just at the vague mention of "free for all, no cheesy stupid NPCs in the middle".

Not to mention the effect on suicide ganking haulers for profit.

You somehow think that highsec should be a pvp-free zone. Do you understand that this doesnt fit into the design of eve at all? There is pvp everywhere and pvp is also legit everywhere, against any target.

Let me ask it this way: If i punch you in the face and you beat me up after that: Would you call me a nub and yourself a douchebag?

The same scenario happens here. No miner gets attacked or freely choosen and blown up by a flipper... the miner has to take the first shot.

I see nothing wrong with that.

Edit: Err, a bit ambiguous. I see nothing wrong with it being harder to profit from ganking.

Why would they call it high sec if people can have their way with you with zero risk? lol.

Apparently you can't comprehend EVE design, much less simple logic. To say the miner is the aggressor is just....lol. More butthurt, irrational can flipper tears please.

The canflipper. I took back what I thought was my stuff. I didnt know what canflipping was. What it entailed. Yes I got the warning but there was nobody around. I was well, and truely suckered into a LM.

I was a prime target. A noob newb. What these guys prey on. While you cannot fix stupid. THIS enables the new and vulnerable to have some active protection. Not just a week long wait for a petition.

See, thats the difference. You think about stealing as "aggression"...

lol, wow you really are an idiot, aren't you?

Thanks for your participation in this discussion.

look at everyone talking about canflipping when another effect of crimewatch is making it safer to autopilot a freighter with your life's worth

No, that really is the only viable response to what you said. Stealing isn't aggression? Lol, you're and idiot aren't you?

Forumalt 4tw!

Ok so can someone explain to me how with the new mechanics you can gank and loot a freighter after Crimewatch 2.0 with out losing your freighter?

Ok so can someone explain to me how with the new mechanics you can gank and loot a freighter after Crimewatch 2.0 with out losing your freighter?

Ummm, no. This is the only character I have ever posted on. I even posted earlier in this thread making a completely different point than Nerf is making.


I just happen to agree that only an idiot would say stealing isn't an act of aggression. Also, who here is using a forum alt? This is my main. Get yourself over it.

It's only an easy kill if the victim (and his entire bloody corp) allow it to be.