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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1841
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:This will make my pvp haulers life very hard indeed. Biggest upset however will be looting people wrecks that dont belong to you, which I bet will get far more nubs killed than currently die to jetcan accidents.
Same advice given to miners by you and the other resident though men: loot while aligned, make bookmarks, fit a tank. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Radius Prime
Aliastra Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:50:00 -
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Crime watch devs assured us changes would be well documented before any changes would be implemented. This discussion is irrelevant till they do. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
257
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:52:00 -
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Ned Black wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:If anything, I would think it fixes can flipping. No longer can people steal your can with potentially zero risk, even if they are picking on brand new characters.
Thank you CCP for bringing more risk/reward into the game. Zero Risk? Everyone in your corporation can attack them, they are the only ones who can tackle you so ECM Drones = near guaranteed escape and since they can't fire until you aggress them it means you can do so with a duel web so no kiting or dodging shots and you get to decide before the fight if it is a ship you can 100% beat or escape from. Can fights are pretty much 100% in favor of victim. Please tell me the zero risk was ironic. Thats a load of crock. Can flippers are after easy kills plain and simple. If the victim of the flip falls for the trap then how many times does he come out on top? If the victim manages to kill 1/10 flippers he is pretty good. I say again, the flipper is hoping for an easy kill. If flipping cans would kill the flipper 9/10 instead of the other way around I kind of doubt people would be flipping very much at all.
It's only an easy kill if the victim (and his entire bloody corp) allow it to be. |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:56:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ned Black wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:If anything, I would think it fixes can flipping. No longer can people steal your can with potentially zero risk, even if they are picking on brand new characters.
Thank you CCP for bringing more risk/reward into the game. Zero Risk? Everyone in your corporation can attack them, they are the only ones who can tackle you so ECM Drones = near guaranteed escape and since they can't fire until you aggress them it means you can do so with a duel web so no kiting or dodging shots and you get to decide before the fight if it is a ship you can 100% beat or escape from. Can fights are pretty much 100% in favor of victim. Please tell me the zero risk was ironic. Thats a load of crock. Can flippers are after easy kills plain and simple. If the victim of the flip falls for the trap then how many times does he come out on top? If the victim manages to kill 1/10 flippers he is pretty good. I say again, the flipper is hoping for an easy kill. If flipping cans would kill the flipper 9/10 instead of the other way around I kind of doubt people would be flipping very much at all. It's only an easy kill if the victim (and his entire bloody corp) allow it to be.
Which they do, after all god forbid they had to do something for themselves lol |
baltec1
Bat Country
1893
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:58:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:This will make my pvp haulers life very hard indeed. Biggest upset however will be looting people wrecks that dont belong to you, which I bet will get far more nubs killed than currently die to jetcan accidents. Same advice given to miners by you and the other resident though men: loot while aligned, make bookmarks, fit a tank. I am able to do it and I am not even a ganker (I just have fun ninjaing T2 salvage in their face), figures.
I flip cans to get the fight so warping off isnt very smart on that front. Gotta remember, these changes are to "protect the nubs" from the nasty people. This change will expose a lot more to the bad guys guns while the nasty people who flip cans for fights will continue to do so. Once again, the bears are fighting for something they think will make them safer but will end up still being killed and their tears of rage will be all the greater for it. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
126
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:03:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Well, miners have to deal with 100 in local too, each of those 100 can kill them just for a laugh and in complete safety (fear the retriever offensive POWAH!).
So what?
No, they don't.
First of all it's not safe at all, if they suicide gank they lose their ships (which can be avoided if only people would CHOOSE to tank their mining ships, the old Hulk could easily get 25k EHP on its own, more than enough to require 3 tornados to gank it resulting in it not being a target). Secondly if they got can flipped it's because they CHOSE to use cans in the first place, then they have the CHOICE to attack the flipper and they can CHOOSE to use as many corp members as they want.
Not my fault Miners adopted this autistic idea that they play eve in solo mode and not be in an active, non-zombie corp while not being prepared. Ignorance and zero-effort should not be rewarded, active non-idiot miners did perfectly fine through Hulkageddons and can flips. Amat victoria curam. |
Ned Black
Driders
54
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:31:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:The idea of being responsible for yourself has completely gone out window with todays eve players... it doesn't matter that can flipping is irrelevant, an it doesn't matter that you can just ignore them.... they WANT am DEMAND CCP protect them from themselves. muppets.
Actually, nobody is keeping you from doing that can flip... you can go right ahead and do it... but if you do then there will open season on your arse... and personally I find that very fun indeed.
But I guess its a bit like the remove local discussion... removing local from nullsec would introduce real risk, and the people crying the hardest about that are usually the ones calling the people that wants to be rid of local cowards... yet they display in every way that the biggest chickens of the bunch are themselves... same here... the ones crying the hardest here are the ones that suddely have to face actual risk and concequence of their actions.
I welcome crimewatch even if I wont be around to see it in action :p
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1841
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:33:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Well, miners have to deal with 100 in local too, each of those 100 can kill them just for a laugh and in complete safety (fear the retriever offensive POWAH!).
So what? No, they don't. First of all it's not safe at all, if they suicide gank they lose their ships (which can be avoided if only people would CHOOSE to tank their mining ships, the old Hulk could easily get 25k EHP on its own, more than enough to require 3 tornados to gank it resulting in it not being a target). Secondly if they got can flipped it's because they CHOSE to use cans in the first place, then they have the CHOICE to attack the flipper and they can CHOOSE to use as many corp members as they want. Not my fault Miners adopted this autistic idea that they play eve in solo mode and not be in an active, non-zombie corp while not being prepared. Ignorance and zero-effort should not be rewarded, active non-idiot miners did perfectly fine through Hulkageddons and can flips.
1) I don't know of ANY ganker worth his name who does not pre-scan the ships and cherry picks those with bad tank (usually the case) / using stupid deadspace small shield booster and so on. So the "which can be avoided" is mooth as it's you who select who to gank not vice versa.
2) You talk like you are attacking 3 years old players who learned better than to jet can. No, those who get flipped are newbs or bads (bads go farm other bads after all, in other MMOs they'd be laughed after and their guild would gain a bad name).
Then there's this often GD written "advice" of leaving drones out on active, and guess what happens next? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
571
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:35:00 -
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The changes will do 2 things:
A: Committing minor criminal acts (i.e. can flipping in this case) will mark you as suspect. This makes you attackable by all. B: People will be prevented from stealing from cans, unless they turn their safeties off. Not a 'click through' dialog box, but a 'go here and turn there options off, then they're off until you turn them back on'.
At least, if the fanfest presentation was anything to go by. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4359
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:41:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They don't can flip a guy in a Vagabond
that's probably because vagabonds aren't well-known for being used to mine
i'm glad we have cleared that up "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4359
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:42:00 -
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Tarassse wrote:To go further, any good soul passing by should be able to destroy the canflipper's ship. He committed a crime after all, even though it is minor. Don't forget he cannot be podkilled, unless he is <-5.
Being a criminal has consequences. Deal with it.
flipping a can doesn't get you a GCC, so it is not a crime "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
126
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:42:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) I don't know of ANY ganker worth his name who does not pre-scan the ships and cherry picks those with bad tank (usually the case) / using stupid deadspace small shield booster and so on. So the "which can be avoided" is mooth as it's you who select who to gank not vice versa.
2) You talk like you are attacking 3 years old players who learned better than to jet can. No, those who get flipped are newbs or bads (bads go farm other bads after all, in other MMOs they'd be laughed after and their guild would gain a bad name).
Then there's this often GD written "advice" of leaving drones out on active, and guess what happens next?
1) that's my point, by tanking your ship you brush off any suicider who didn't scan (and get to laugh at his fail) and if they DO scan they'll simply move on to another target who was dumb&lazy enough to NOT tank it. So yes, miners have the option to avoid the vast majority of problems simply by adding some tank. So smart&active miners get to live and prosper, clueless clowns die, how is this a problem?
2) I have done, although not on this char obviously, for years and years. According to my KB for those chars my main targets were BCs, apart from that it's full of BSs, the odd HAC and faction fetish stuff. Only a minority were actual mining related ships (hulks, haulers and orcas) simply because they refused to pay ransom. Most of the targets are failfit ofcourse but that's a choice by those carebears. No one denies them access to forums etc to learn how to fit ships.
Not going to state it's amazing high quality PVP (it's fun while it makes nice cash) but the "lol, it's silly pvp" is far from the truth.
Also, drones set to aggressive do NOT attack can flippers just because they nicked some ore. That's just another myth kept alive because of a lack of effort&knowledge. In case of a can flip drones only attack if the miner wanted them to, if a miner tells you otherwise he's just trying to hide the fact that he was dumb. Drones will only attack on aggression but as the can flipper can't shoot the miner before the miner decides to attack him drones are a non-factor. Amat victoria curam. |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:00:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) I don't know of ANY ganker worth his name who does not pre-scan the ships and cherry picks those with bad tank (usually the case) / using stupid deadspace small shield booster and so on. So the "which can be avoided" is mooth as it's you who select who to gank not vice versa.
2) You talk like you are attacking 3 years old players who learned better than to jet can. No, those who get flipped are newbs or bads (bads go farm other bads after all, in other MMOs they'd be laughed after and their guild would gain a bad name).
Then there's this often GD written "advice" of leaving drones out on active, and guess what happens next? 1) that's my point, by tanking your ship you brush off any suicider who didn't scan (and get to laugh at his fail) and if they DO scan they'll simply move on to another target who was dumb&lazy enough to NOT tank it. So yes, miners have the option to avoid the vast majority of problems simply by adding some tank. So smart&active miners get to live and prosper, clueless clowns die, how is this a problem? 2) I have done, although not on this char obviously, for years and years. According to my KB for those chars my main targets were BCs, apart from that it's full of BSs, the odd HAC and faction fetish stuff. Only a minority were actual mining related ships (hulks, haulers and orcas) simply because they refused to pay ransom. Most of the targets are failfit ofcourse but that's a choice by those carebears. No one denies them access to forums etc to learn how to fit ships. Not going to state it's amazing high quality PVP (it's fun while it makes nice cash) but the "lol, it's silly pvp" is far from the truth. Also, drones set to aggressive do NOT attack can flippers just because they nicked some ore. That's just another myth kept alive because of a lack of effort&knowledge. In case of a can flip drones only attack if the miner wanted them to, if a miner tells you otherwise he's just trying to hide the fact that he was dumb. Drones will only attack on aggression but as the can flipper can't shoot the miner before the miner decides to attack him drones are a non-factor.
FINALLY!! someone that understands, well said mate. Case in point tonight I was in Agel an saw 12 macks in ICE belt, so I scanned each one, an they all had maxed out extenders so I didnt bother cos it just wasnt worth it...
"and if they DO scan they'll simply move on to another target who was dumb&lazy enough to NOT tank it" |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
96
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Tarassse wrote:To go further, any good soul passing by should be able to destroy the canflipper's ship. He committed a crime after all, even though it is minor. Don't forget he cannot be podkilled, unless he is <-5.
Being a criminal has consequences. Deal with it. flipping a can doesn't get you a GCC, so it is not a crime
Thats going to change in Crimewatch 2.0, at least assuming the development hasnt changed since fan fest. But during fan fest according to the speaker, in CrimeWatch 2.0 if you can flip you become a criminal to everyone and can be attacked by anyone. It doesn't get you concorded, but it does open your ass nice and wide.
I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps who might choose to persue criminals. It makes the profession of can flipping a bit more dangerous. Not sure the risk vs. reward is really appropriate since can flipping is a pretty low income profession unless you get stupid lucky. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1842
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They don't can flip a guy in a Vagabond that's probably because vagabonds aren't well-known for being used to mine i'm glad we have cleared that up
Most of all, they are not known for being a large and defensless target. Which is what "Sunday PvPers" are after. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jonah Gravenstein
738
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:26:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Crime watch devs assured us changes would be well documented before any changes would be implemented. This discussion is irrelevant till they do.
CCP, Eve, well documented, does anyone else see the glaring error here?
I like the fact that there is no manual and that players have to figure stuff out for themselves, zero documentation is a feature, don't change it War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4359
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:26:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps looking for risk-free PvP
ftfy "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9093
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:31:00 -
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Can flipping is a minor issue compared to the effects it'll have on piracy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1842
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:34:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:
1) that's my point, by tanking your ship you brush off any suicider who didn't scan (and get to laugh at his fail) and if they DO scan they'll simply move on to another target who was dumb&lazy enough to NOT tank it. So yes, miners have the option to avoid the vast majority of problems simply by adding some tank. So smart&active miners get to live and prosper, clueless clowns die, how is this a problem?
It's not a problem for me, it's you who made it look like people go gank others without checking them out first.
Also, what you state is situationally true.
IE yesterday a guy getting out with a 16k EHP Retriever (a quite SP intensive setup) would not have been spared despite the incospiquous ship and big tank (for the ship). In fact both at Jita / Dodixie and Rens (expecially at the latter), 2 Ice harvesters were about 13M each, 2 T2 ice mining lasers were 10.5M. Add a DC 2, and T2 inv field and you are flying something that WILL get popped by 3 the basic dessies anyway.
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Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1777
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Can fights are pretty much 100% in favor of victim. Please tell me the zero risk part was ironic.
You forgot the smilie face to show that you were joking.
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
127
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:
1) that's my point, by tanking your ship you brush off any suicider who didn't scan (and get to laugh at his fail) and if they DO scan they'll simply move on to another target who was dumb&lazy enough to NOT tank it. So yes, miners have the option to avoid the vast majority of problems simply by adding some tank. So smart&active miners get to live and prosper, clueless clowns die, how is this a problem?
It's not a problem for me, it's you who made it look like people go gank others without checking them out first.
Where did I state that?
Amat victoria curam. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:55:00 -
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Altrue wrote:I don't see what's the point : You steal someting in the middle of a public space, it should be normal if others were allowed to try to stop you.
And then, piracy in high sec would make you feel like a true pirate : after commiting your act and being discovered, you have to escape with half of the universe behind you. That's why piracy almost extinct even IRL and that's why EVE is the only game I know where being a pirate doesn't mean suffering great disadvantages in every possible way, I'm not even saying about making living out of it or something.
Being carebear I am, I still think that killing unique trait of the game is just plain stupid.
P.S. Mentality these days... You are on your own in EVE, even in highsec. Who the hell ever told you otherwise so insistently that even CCP choose to believe that? |
Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
197
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:13:00 -
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Ned Black wrote:Actually, nobody is keeping you from doing that can flip... you can go right ahead and do it... but if you do then there will open season on your arse... and personally I find that very fun indeed.
But I guess its a bit like the remove local discussion... removing local from nullsec would introduce real risk, and the people crying the hardest about that are usually the ones calling the people that wants to be rid of local cowards... yet they display in every way that the biggest chickens of the bunch are themselves... same here... the ones crying the hardest here are the ones that suddely have to face actual risk and concequence of their actions.
I welcome crimewatch even if I wont be around to see it in action :p
I don't know about where you're from, but here, there's a huge difference between a misdemeanor and a felony. If a guy attacks somebody on the street, then sure, everybody and there cousin oughta try to stop the guy, at least.
But if a person tries to steal a piece of candy, and shortly thereafter has 25 people trying to beat the crap out of him, there's something a little wrong with that...
I don't think the can flipping itself is the problem. In my short time here, I've already been on both sides of the argument, and I don't think that "fixing" can flipping adds any fun to the game. It's people using it to take advantage of newbs that they seem most concerned about. And I can understand not wanting to grief the people starting out in this game, when they're just trying to figure out how to put ammo in their gun.
edit: And just to be obtuse..... Why would you jettison ore that you're planning to keep or sell...? :-) |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:15:00 -
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Ok so I'm new to this but wouldn't the proposed changes open up pvp for those who have never pvp'ed before?
If I see someone stealing and subsequebtly fighting in a belt im in, at the moment I can't join in but it seems that with these changes I could, ergo I would be pvp'ing where pre-change I would not be. Honestly this is one of the only ways I see myself pvp'ing any time soon in the future.
I also find it amusing that when people in high sec complain about can flippers and things, they are considered crying and told they should adapt or get out, but when the pvp'ers do it its fine? Whats that all about? I swear I've seen people posting in this thread telling people to adapt to changes before, but they cant seem to do it themselves? ironic. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
98
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps looking for risk-free PvP ftfy
I see and attacking a mining barge is full of risk? Its not risk PvP, the thief can fight back and win. Or is it unfair because a can flipper is not ready for PvP? Kind of like the mining barge?
See where im going with that? Its the same shoe just on the other foot. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:26:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Andski wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps looking for risk-free PvP ftfy I see and attacking a mining barge is full of risk? Its not risk PvP, the thief can fight back and win. Or is it unfair because a can flipper is not ready for PvP? Kind of like the mining barge? See where im going with that? Its the same shoe just on the other foot.
except there's far more "risk" in attacking a mining barge or flipping a can than there ever will be in shooting can flippers with 10 neutral logi alts tailing you
if you think the solution to "low-risk PvP" is to introduce risk-free PvP to counter it, well, i don't know what to tell you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Cara Rahl
Ore Reallocation Services
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:28:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:No longer can people steal your can
If something is jettisoned you throw it away, abandon and discard it as something unwanted. You lose your ownership of what you threw away. The very term "jettison" should already tell you that what you are doing can cause interaction with other people. To complain about this is pretty hilarious actually.
Imo it's been a mistake and ridiculously dumb thing to begin with that CCP added ownership to jettisoned containers (and wrecks while we're at it, which also should never have happened and not have hindered salvaging to become a proper profession and not this bastard thing it is today) and should never have been done. But I won't complain, cause it let's me shoot at people which is more fun anyway.
And the "risk" is what you make of it. On both sides. No one forces you to shoot and no one hinders you to bring RR. Not to mention that not everyone is a serious threat. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
99
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Andski wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps looking for risk-free PvP ftfy I see and attacking a mining barge is full of risk? Its not risk PvP, the thief can fight back and win. Or is it unfair because a can flipper is not ready for PvP? Kind of like the mining barge? See where im going with that? Its the same shoe just on the other foot. except there's far more "risk" in attacking a mining barge or flipping a can than there ever will be in shooting can flippers with 10 neutral logi alts tailing you if you think the solution to "low-risk PvP" is to introduce risk-free PvP to counter it, well, i don't know what to tell you
Thats a silly notion. I have been playing this game for 6 years I have never seen or heard of a can flipper with 10 neutral logi alts chasing somebody. Creating some out of the blue unlikely scenario that rarely if ever happens is hardly a case for anything.
Its a simple fair mechanic in which the most prepared wins. The miner can have some friends standing by, thief dies The theif can bring more friends, miner and friends die. Other people can jump in to try to gank the thieves and their friends with even more friends...
You get the idea. Who ever shows up with the best plan and is most prepared wins.
How is this not in the spirit of Eve? |
Milla Lekarariba
Mustang Freight and Industry
16
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:15:00 -
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well one quote I can think of for all this.....
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime
Personally although currently a carebear, to me it makes Piracy MORE attractive and more realistic..
but remember although perhaps the whole system could attack, I doubt EVERYONE will |
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
33
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Can flipping is a minor issue compared to the effects it'll have on piracy.
Yep, who cares what a random know-nothing thinks will happen. What I want to know is, will sentries and the navy attack when suspect flagged? If I read and listened to what I think was said about it you'll just be flagged attackable to all players. I would kinda be against that but if the bears are happy with it so am I.
I think all the people who want to shoot ninja salvagers just got their wish.
Quote: Ok so I'm new to this but wouldn't the proposed changes open up pvp for those who have never pvp'ed before?
If I see someone stealing and subsequebtly fighting in a belt im in, at the moment I can't join in but it seems that with these changes I could, ergo I would be pvp'ing where pre-change I would not be. Honestly this is one of the only ways I see myself pvp'ing any time soon in the future.
I also find it amusing that when people in high sec complain about can flippers and things, they are considered crying and told they should adapt or get out, but when the pvp'ers do it its fine? Whats that all about? I swear I've seen people posting in this thread telling people to adapt to changes before, but they cant seem to do it themselves? ironic.
This is the reason I would kinda be against it. This poor guy would think he was looking at a fight happening in a belt he can join in on. The day after he would be here posting why the mechanic is broken while both of those guys were on comms laughing at him.
The last thing you want is the adaptable players getting their hands on you. |
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