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Sky Orcagna	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:28:00 - [1] Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 06/01/2011 22:34:49 What if all of EVE was 0.0 space? At first, this might sound like a terrible idea and a recipe for nonstop griefing and rampant chaos. But not so fast. A truly open EVE would have certain advantages for almost everyone, even for carebears and more casual gamers. Potential Pros: 1. No chokepoints camped 24/7 between areas of different security. One route might be more dangerous than another on any given day, but it also means there would be more viable possible routs. 2. Pirates and gankers would be far more spread out and not camped in predictable spots, effectively removing one of EVE's most complained about aspects. With no natural chokepoints between empire/low-sec/null-sec, pirates would have to move around and be more tactical in their thinking. More fun for both pirates and prey. 3. No limitations on weapons or ships. You would be able to take anything anywhere, and use it! This means that there truly would be no safe place in EVE, which is good. But it also means you would be free to fight back with anything in the EVE arsenal, which is also good. 4. More space for players to control; less space controlled by artificial entities. 5. Possibly more opportunities for smaller alliances. Possibly. Potential Cons: 1. Would be less forgiving for new players. With this in mind, it might be necessary to have new players start out in a special tutorial region which becomes inaccessible after the first 30 days. 2. Large market hubs would be natural targets for pirates and roving gangs, likely resulting in the destruction of existing market hubs like Jita. One possible counter to this would be to to give alliances a vested interest in nurturing and protecting an open market (for instance, an alliance might be able to establish a global sales tax for all market transactions that occur in a specific station). This would give alliances a strong incentive to establish and protect safe zones for open trading. Pirates would have juicy targets to fight for and alliances would have a vested interest in policing the area. It's never going to happen, but it is interesting to think about. I like it from a PvP perspective, but I also like it from a carebear perspective. Commence the snarky replies and mindless trolling.
Drakarin Gallente Absentia Libertas Solus	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:31:00 - [2] It would be absolute chaos at first, but things would quiet down pretty quickly.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:32:00 - [3] If I'm not mistaken, EVE used to be like that in the beginnings. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:33:00 - [4] COAD would be the new GD? ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
mooimafish	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:43:00 - [5] ... the big alliances would just take over every system and then exploit the rest of us as renters, hell the **** no.
Hurtado JaSett	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Sky Orcagna Large market hubs would be natural targets for pirates and roving gangs, likely resulting in the destruction of existing market hubs like Jita. One possible counter to this would be to to give alliances a vested interest in nurturing and protecting an open market (for instance, an alliance might be able to establish a global sales tax for all market transactions that occur in a specific station). This would give alliances a strong incentive to establish and protect safe zones for open trading. Pirates would have juicy targets to fight for and alliances would have a vested interest in policing the area. Now that sounds like fun! Count me in.
Bud Johnson Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:45:00 - [7] until m0o reforms and gate to gate travel becomes "interesting" again.
Jaina Sunspot Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:45:00 - [8] The Blob... IT`S OVER 9000!!!
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Shintai on 06/01/2011 22:53:58 EvE would consist of 10000 subscribers, no expansions would be made, no server upgrades made. Simply due to no money. Also most trade would be dead, and you would be back mining for a cruiser for a month after you lost one. Even frigate battles would be costly. We already tried something like this. It was the first time in EvE where you could tank Concord etc. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.06 22:57:00 - [10] Originally by: mooimafish ... the big alliances would just take over every system and then exploit the rest of us as renters, hell the ** no. This Originally by:** Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:03:00 - [11] Focus on producing/marketing cloaks, recons, covert ops, etc. $$$$$
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:25:00 - [12] I know it'll never happen, but it would be awesome if CONCORD went on strike for a few days ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Pyro Ninja Gallente S3MINAL FLUID Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:30:00 - [13] This has happened before, Jita was the only secure system in eve for like 2 days. Also people were bumped up to 450mill sp for those 2 days. It was on the test server and it took forever to log in but there were a lot of titans flying around that day lol
Kwisat Haderach Minmatar ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:42:00 - [14] If Eve would have been like that from the beginning, I very much doubt it would have had the success it has now. If all Eve would be changed into all 0.0 (99.99% unlikely), we'll probably witness the mother of all threadnaughts ever. Life is a joke, but I don't feel like laughing
Ephemeron The Dirty Dozen	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:44:00 - [15] This is how EVE should end when CCP finally decides to pull the plug on it
Jekyl Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:51:00 - [16] Would make interesting game for current players but impossible for newcomers. With some changes... but it will never happen.
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2011.01.06 23:59:00 - [17] Yeah I remember Super Cap Testing Day.... crapton of lag that was But on TQ.... just a small strike.... plz !!! ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.07 00:43:00 - [18] I think all empire should be low sec. What I mean is no npc police of any kind. Sentry guns could be tweaked to help with the sudden lack of security. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Jaina Sunspot Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.07 00:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Anubis Xian I think all empire should be low sec. What I mean is no npc police of any kind. Sentry guns could be tweaked to help with the sudden lack of security. Make them so powerful that they **** even Carriers on Gates and Stations, no more camping. Add in a few NPC Condord and Navy Patrols that wander around and respond to agression with in a few AU. Eliminate High Sec and Low Sec. Leave 0.o as is... It would be interesting to say the least.
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2011.01.07 01:43:00 - [20] Results 1. Total chaos for next 30 days as people adjusted and as many waited for their subscriptions to end. 2. On mass, carebears and casual players would quit eve. 3. Everyone left would have to form or submit to an alliance entity to provide defense, industry and logistics. Small corporations would only continue to exist if pirate NPC space continued to exist allowing docking. 4. Prices of everything would x10 for next year making PvP for most people highly unplesent, encouraging blobbing further. Basically this would kill eve.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.07 02:15:00 - [21] I imagine it would be fun for TEST to camp Jita 4-4 with 100 Sieged Nags...
Ryhss Caldari 42nd Airborn	Posted - 2011.01.07 07:21:00 - [22] I'm a huge carebear and the OP's idea isn't the worst I ever heard.
Fat Willy	Posted - 2011.01.07 11:18:00 - [23] I'm also a huge carebear but... Why is security status fixed for systems? There are systems thht are high sec status but almost empty... all those concord ships and poncing around by themselves. Why? Concord resources should be deployed to where their presence is needed. As the populations of different systems rise and wane over time, the sec status and concord presence should too. Then there's stations. Massive and hugely expensive constructions abound in empire, but they see little traffic and empty offices. Jita 4/4 should be a massive and prosperous construction, a busy and bustling centre of commerce. But other stations that see little traffic or manufacturing should be of the smaller variety.
leich Amarr bish bash bosh	Posted - 2011.01.07 11:31:00 - [24] I really think flexible Empire would be a great idea. using faction warfare as the catalist. One faction could take a load of systems of another Faction turning these systems into low-sec systems of the attackers. and vice versa. Would be awsome to see the map change hands. it would also drive PVP wich is always good
Rin Vires	Posted - 2011.01.07 11:43:00 - [25] There is one amazingly postive thing that would come from all of EVE turning 0.0 All macros/bots would die! Just imagine, people actually having to play the game again to make ISK. It's crazy I know, but just think about it.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.07 11:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Rin Vires There is one amazingly postive thing that would come from all of EVE turning 0.0 All macros/bots would die! Just imagine, people actually having to play the game again to make ISK. It's crazy I know, but just think about it. I like how naive you are. If there's a good industry related boost to go with the all-0.0 change, not too much would change. With less inter-regional trade and encouraged self sufficiency there might be a problem with isotope and moon mineral cartels, but trade agreements between alliances would be the standard modus operandi. Chances are the blocks would grow and make their space safer than empire is now (if 0.0 isn't already).
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.01.07 12:23:00 - [27] If EVE was all 0.0 it would suck - bubble are ansurd and cheap game play and that what bubbles are what 0.0 is all about. If EVE was all low sec it might be ok except that no one would be able to undock from trading hubs - and tading hubs matter more than some people think. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Davich MacGregor Minmatar Stellar Products and Quality Resources	Posted - 2011.01.07 12:26:00 - [28] Next time do a search. This is the 1000th time for this question.
Davich MacGregor Minmatar Stellar Products and Quality Resources	Posted - 2011.01.07 12:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Barakkus If I'm not mistaken, EVE used to be like that in the beginnings. You are highly misinformed. If anything it was even safer in the beginning.
Alamaurie Lystlan	Posted - 2011.01.07 12:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Rin Vires There is one amazingly postive thing that would come from all of EVE turning 0.0 All macros/bots would die! Just imagine, people actually having to play the game again to make ISK. It's crazy I know, but just think about it. Naive doesn't begin to describe this as there's a ton of bots in 0.0 as well. You'd have to get rid of local to really hurt them. A lot of people enjoy high-sec - the majority of people would be ****ed off from even a temporary removal of CONCORD penalties. The op hit the nail on the head though - new players are going to be completely alienated and the Industry/Market would go nuts. Cons completely outweigh the pros. That being said, isn't it time for some more 0.0 systems =)?
Sporked	Posted - 2011.01.07 12:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Davich MacGregor Originally by: Barakkus If I'm not mistaken, EVE used to be like that in the beginnings. You are highly misinformed. If anything it was even safer in the beginning. Well no, not really given that CONCORD didn't exist. That and 1400's could hit orbiting frigs with near perfect accuracy. If anything, it's safer now what with ships having twice the HP they did at release while weapon damage has been toned down meaning combined with session timers and CONCORD it's far easier to escape traps and such these days. Remember the days of Ravens one-volleying cruisers and below with 900-damage-each-2-minute-flight-time torps? Carriers with 25k armour? Gankageddons? Nosdomis? Thorax fielding 10 heavy drones? Think back on all that and compare it to now and you'll realise EVE is rediculously safe to those who pay attention, maybe a little too much so. If CONCORD were to go, the people who don't die now would continue to not die (well maybe now and again, theres always someone better than you) and everyone else would learn by example.
Veliria	Posted - 2011.01.07 12:56:00 - [32] Edited by: Veliria on 07/01/2011 12:56:21 The problem with everything going 0.0 isn't those who'd survive and fight but the total destruction of the economy. Say what you want about the industrialists, but they're the ones that make PvP affordable. Kill CONCORD, you kill off 99% of the industry, and PvP suddenly becomes so expensive that no one would be able to fight for very long. The production of 0.0 alliances is heavily supplied/augmented by minerals/modules/ships hauled from high-sec. Half of a 0.0 alliance would suddenly have to devote itself entirely to carebearing if they want to have any hope of having ships, modules and ammo for their members. The starting systems would be camped to death, forcing new players to do X for Alliance Y or get podded Z times. PvP would rise, then fall and never get back on its feet, everyone would be too on edge to not be in a PvP ship, so any industry would be minimal, and without replaceable ships, PvP would eventually just stop. Casual players and carebears would just playing altogether as they can't do anything other than PvP for maybe 1-2 hours or just login to find themselves camped and bubbled in their station. tldr; No industry, no affordable ships, no more PvP, no more EVE.
Comrade Tsukae	Posted - 2011.01.07 13:06:00 - [33] I think it would be cool and work great if the gameplay were structured differently. The way the game is now it would be awful.
Murev Vorchilde Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2011.01.07 14:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Davich MacGregor Originally by: Barakkus If I'm not mistaken, EVE used to be like that in the beginnings. You are highly misinformed. If anything it was even safer in the beginning. Bad memory or didn't play back then? - How Id Fix Secret world of pensioners
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.07 15:18:00 - [35] They did it once back in 05 iirc..too old to remember when really. Yes,whole TQ was 0.0
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.07 15:37:00 - [36] Honestly it wouldnt be that bad as some say, and much would become better. Sure some carebears will stop, but also many will move to the new 0.0. Large 0.0 alliances either need to protect their space (which then tbh needs to be easier than it is now, so no afk cloakers for example), and either have large industrial renter alliances in their space or adapt NRDS policies to get more people in to get minerals. In other words 0.0 would go from: Hello i am noobie with industrial filled with stuff i want to sell to you -> insta popped, to: Hello i am noobie with industrial filled with stuff i want to sell to you -> \o/. Now of course some people would die out, independent pirates will have it pretty much impossible with almost nowhere docking rights. Better yet our gankerbears (high sec wardeccers) will die out since they cant play without concord protection. No more ninja salvaging and you can always deal with people who play station games (either your station -> remove docking rights, or plan B, take station). So the tl;dr is, people think it is problematic because carebears will all leave, but i seriously doubt they will, as long as you do give 0.0 residents the means to police their space better. Since simply said, contrary to now those carebears will be essential to the survival of your alliance, since you cant buy everything you want in jita (also requires that macros dont do all the carebearing).
Hurtado JaSett	Posted - 2011.01.07 17:01:00 - [37] I absolutely think this would work and work well. But as the OP stated up front, there would have to be some basic gameplay changes in order to give alliances a reason to want neutrals to operate in their space. That's a change that's long overdue. I like the idea of alliances being able to profit from a market tax in stations under their control. Alliances would be able to create their own Jita by keeping taxes low and working hard to keep the routes into the system safe. This gives the alliance a vested interest in creating a stable environment for industrialists, traders, and mission runners because tax proceeds would become one of the alliance's one important sources of steady income. People talking about 24hr camps outside market hubs clearly didn't read what the OP wrote. I'm surprised to hear so many people arguing that EVE needs incredibly high levels of built in safety and predictability in order to thrive. If there's a real need for safety and stability, then shouldn't it be player-run empires creating those conditions?
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.07 17:09:00 - [38] @ OP Simple, you'll find my accounts/char's in sale at e-bay the day after. I don't realy care to know if i would be the only one or make part of the smalest part of players that would do it. I have no time to waste with scum, suckers, window lickers, deviants, ******eds. And i will never pay some GAME for that. ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Cydori	Posted - 2011.01.07 19:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Joss56 Simple, you'll find my accounts/char's in sale at e-bay the day after. I don't realy care to know if i would be the only one or make part of the smalest part of players that would do it. I have no time to waste with scum, suckers, window lickers, deviants, *****eds. And i will never pay some GAME for that. EVE is supposed to be a sandbox game. Why are some people so opposed to players* having more control of what happens in New Eden? If people want automated magical Elven kingdoms to keep them warm and safe, there's always WoW ------------------>>>>>>
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.07 19:53:00 - [40] I think null or lo-sec space (DMZ) along the borders of all of the four empires would be pretty cool...and make sense. [21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.07 20:08:00 - [41] There wouldnt be any opportunity for small alliances (unless you enjoy being called a pet or renter), look at the sov map now of whats in 0.0 the only independent sov holding alliances are CVA and Ev0ke lol. The same thing would happen in Empire, when you get powerblocks like NC who want the whole of 0.0 blue, drone alliances filled with nothing but botters and everyone else leeching moon goo, would there be any point in making everything 0.0? Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Liz Laser Metalworks Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.07 23:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Rin Vires There is one amazingly postive thing that would come from all of EVE turning 0.0 All macros/bots would die! Just imagine, people actually having to play the game again to make ISK. It's crazy I know, but just think about it. Have you ever visited null-sec? Macros and bots abound.
Ma'lice Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2011.01.07 23:14:00 - [43] Originally by: oolk They did it once back in 05 iirc..too old to remember when really. Yes,whole TQ was 0.0 It wasn't TQ it was SiSi. And it was a stress test a couple days before RMR if I remember correctly. But yeah it was in '05 Originally by: Portios Smith 1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2011.01.07 23:15:00 - [44] A truely free eve would kill griefing, so the idea isn't that bad.
Lain Umi	Posted - 2011.01.08 01:23:00 - [45] if all of eve was 0.0, then those who played more would run the game. simple as that. yes, it's another casual vs. hardcore argument. in other words, eve's population would halve instantly.
Messoroz The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.08 01:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Headerman I imagine it would be fun for TEST to camp Jita 4-4 with 100 Sieged Nags... I call your bluff and raise 200 sieged Moros with lasers fitted.
Chuuuuy	Posted - 2011.01.08 01:41:00 - [47] How about instead of taking away 0.0 space, make alliances have to pay for it with the money they make from taxes. I'm not sure how much it would cost, but for an example, 1 billion per month would establish sentry guns on gates and a basic CONCORD that would police the alliances space. This way, alliances could attract industrialists, miners, and traders. Then, alliances would be able to fight over various resources in space, for example, let's say there is a constellation that is very rich in asteroid belts that would provide lots of ores and stuff. It would be awesome. Players would be responsible for setting up their own governments. Politics and military would become a much bigger factor. You could even have alliances between alliances to fight wars against other alliances. It would be exactly like the real world.
Sporked	Posted - 2011.01.08 01:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Ma'lice Originally by: oolk They did it once back in 05 iirc..too old to remember when really. Yes,whole TQ was 0.0 It wasn't TQ it was SiSi. And it was a stress test a couple days before RMR if I remember correctly. But yeah it was in '05 No, it was TQ too in the run up to the launch of Empyrean Age and to tie in with the events going on in the first novel CONCORD was taken offline for 24 hours by the Minmatar Elders fleet turning a large proportion of the DED station in Yulai into very small bits of debris.
Messoroz The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.08 02:27:00 - [49] Edited by: Messoroz on 08/01/2011 02:27:12 Originally by: Chuuuuy How about instead of taking away 0.0 space, make alliances have to pay for it with the money they make from taxes. I'm not sure how much it would cost, but for an example, 1 billion per month would establish sentry guns on gates and a basic CONCORD that would police the alliances space. This way, alliances could attract industrialists, miners, and traders. Then, alliances would be able to fight over various resources in space, for example, let's say there is a constellation that is very rich in asteroid belts that would provide lots of ores and stuff. It would be awesome. Players would be responsible for setting up their own governments. Politics and military would become a much bigger factor. You could even have alliances between alliances to fight wars against other alliances. It would be exactly like the real world. You do realize that alliances already do this right? (besides sentry guns, nobody likes em, nobody wants em)
Yoritomo Kitao Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.08 03:49:00 - [50] Remove Concord... tag criminals for everybody in high sec... create a new job : F.B.E. (Federal Bureau of Eradicaton) ?! :P o/ Originally by: Par'Gellen Originally by: RaTTuS eve is not real LIES!
Syphon Lodian Gallente Fabled Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.08 04:05:00 - [51] There would be an exodus. That's about it. Development halted etc. Pretty much, the only people left, would be the pilots on the forums that have ever used the term "carebear" in a derogatory manner. Have fun playing by yourselves, and be careful what you wish for, and all that, etc etc. --------------------------------------------------
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.01.08 05:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Joss56 @ OP Simple, you'll find my accounts/char's in sale at e-bay the day after. I don't realy care to know if i would be the only one or make part of the smalest part of players that would do it. I have no time to waste with scum, suckers, window lickers, deviants, ****eds. And i will never pay some GAME for that. I like how you attempted to call others **s yet you still managed to ** the word up. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Merovee Amarr Gorthaur Legion	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:49:00 - [53] '03 was fun, but there was less people playing, room to move, ships we're smaller. Really! do we want to go back? It's a lot better now in empire as more people play the game. Enough of the daydreams. Of Mordor
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.08 10:30:00 - [54] Edited by: Joss56 on 08/01/2011 10:35:05 Originally by: Cydori Originally by: Joss56 Simple, you'll find my accounts/char's in sale at e-bay the day after. I don't realy care to know if i would be the only one or make part of the smalest part of players that would do it. I have no time to waste with scum, suckers, window lickers, deviants, *****eds. And i will never pay some GAME for that. EVE is supposed to be a sandbox game. Why are some people so opposed to players* having more control of what happens in New Eden? If people want automated magical Elven kingdoms to keep them warm and safe, there's always WoW ------------------>>>>>> You miss the point here. In Eve you can pve right? If you don't want that people pve then you don't put any in the game, that's what you are missing. You are also missing the point that more you force people to do your masochist game of gank 5/1 blobs scams and all the stuff that gives you your sexual pleasure, will just make them go away. Now let me make you think about something you just said, you want pvp right? Wy can't you find any with all those systems full of people in low sec? what are you afraid of that makes you cry about high sec people? Thank you for showing how stupid a human being can be. ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.08 10:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Mutant Caldari I like how you attempted to call others ****s yet you still managed to ** the word up. yesi'm not english native, can't have all the bigest defaults of life. So? ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2011.01.08 11:51:00 - [56] No-one wants this to happen again !!! Or maybe they do ? :) . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
Decus Daga	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Furb Killer Honestly it wouldnt be that bad as some say, and much would become better. Sure some carebears will stop, but also many will move to the new 0.0. Large 0.0 alliances either need to protect their space (which then tbh needs to be easier than it is now, so no afk cloakers for example), and either have large industrial renter alliances in their space or adapt NRDS policies to get more people in to get minerals. In other words 0.0 would go from: Hello i am noobie with industrial filled with stuff i want to sell to you -> insta popped, to: Hello i am noobie with industrial filled with stuff i want to sell to you -> \o/. Now of course some people would die out, independent pirates will have it pretty much impossible with almost nowhere docking rights. Better yet our gankerbears (high sec wardeccers) will die out since they cant play without concord protection. No more ninja salvaging and you can always deal with people who play station games (either your station -> remove docking rights, or plan B, take station). So the tl;dr is, people think it is problematic because carebears will all leave, but i seriously doubt they will, as long as you do give 0.0 residents the means to police their space better. Since simply said, contrary to now those carebears will be essential to the survival of your alliance, since you cant buy everything you want in jita (also requires that macros dont do all the carebearing). I think your correct, would love to see this happen, but alas, i doubt it will ever. (perhaps the ONLY reason to ever support a 2nd server would be for a full null server).
Rin Vires	Posted - 2011.01.09 03:27:00 - [58] Edited by: Rin Vires on 09/01/2011 03:27:16 Alright, I'll admit that my previous post was naive. I haven't been in null sec for around 3 years so it was kind of dumb for me to post about it. But I have a question, how in the hell are there so many bots out there? Why are people not ganking them? No one (besides botters) seems to like them so why put up with them? If I were in ratting in a system and found a blue bot ratting there as well, I would pop the ****er. Sure the owner would get mad, but he shouldn't be botting in the first place. If the alliance members wouldn't allow the bots then they wouldn't work. Complacency of the memebers is as much to blame as the bot users for massive amounts of 0.0 bots.
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.09 04:02:00 - [59] Dynamic sec status based on incursions. Point to point travel as an alterantive to gates - modified probes to create micro cynos allowing recon class ships or equivalent to leap frog larger vessels a la frontier. Wine. Mmm. Chateau Saint-Germain. 2008. Good year!
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.09 07:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Rin Vires Alright, I'll admit that my previous post was naive. I haven't been in null sec for around 3 years so it was kind of dumb for me to post about it. But I have a question, how in the hell are there so many bots out there? Why are people not ganking them? No one (besides botters) seems to like them so why put up with them? If I were in ratting in a system and found a blue bot ratting there as well, I would pop the ****er. Sure the owner would get mad, but he shouldn't be botting in the first place. If the alliance members wouldn't allow the bots then they wouldn't work. Complacency of the memebers is as much to blame as the bot users for massive amounts of 0.0 bots. Factors: - SuperCapital-Online (see last QEN for numbers on Titans/SCs) - Nap-Fest (see NC) - Local as immediate intel tool - Braindead NPC (see agression mechanics and fixed content) - Braindead PvE content (see courier missions, see kill missions) - Blobfest-Online (see cyno/jumpbridge mechanics) - Jumpgate Bottleneck - Hotdrop-Online - HP-Online (see timers and HP on sov modules) support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.09 11:00:00 - [61] Originally by: Rin Vires Edited by: Rin Vires on 09/01/2011 03:27:16 Alright, I'll admit that my previous post was naive. I haven't been in null sec for around 3 years so it was kind of dumb for me to post about it. But I have a question, how in the hell are there so many bots out there? Why are people not ganking them? No one (besides botters) seems to like them so why put up with them? If I were in ratting in a system and found a blue bot ratting there as well, I would pop the ****er. Sure the owner would get mad, but he shouldn't be botting in the first place. If the alliance members wouldn't allow the bots then they wouldn't work. Complacency of the memebers is as much to blame as the bot users for massive amounts of 0.0 bots. 1. CCP is tolerating them 2. They're extremely hard to catch 3. They're extremely profitable. See drone regions. Roughly the mineral market is supplied by drone loot farmed by macro corps renting from drone region alliances..
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.09 14:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Rin Vires Alright, I'll admit that my previous post was naive. I haven't been in null sec for around 3 years so it was kind of dumb for me to post about it. But I have a question, how in the hell are there so many bots out there? Why are people not ganking them? No one (besides botters) seems to like them so why put up with them 1st reaction is to say that those bots belong to people living there. 2nd is to ask like you: wy the f uck those ones can't be scaned and shot like mission runners? Everybody already understood where they come from and who profits, this kind of post is just useless because it will not change what already happens. ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.09 18:05:00 - [63] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/01/2011 18:06:04 Bad idea. Many players and I will definitely leave the game. There will just be too much griefing until there is no playability. Imagine this, you get killed every time you leave station or play for a few minutes. It would be too boring. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2011.01.09 18:26:00 - [64] Edited by: BrundleMeth on 09/01/2011 18:27:40 Here's an idea you can flame. Give new players "God" mode for say 6 months. No one can kill them... Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Bad idea. Many players and I will definitely leave the game. There will just be too much griefing until there is no playability. Imagine this, you get killed every time you leave station or play for a few minutes. Yeah this would suck...
Nishachara Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.09 18:41:00 - [65] I would agree with this idea if capitals/ super-capitals would be removed from game, along side with some bloob limiting mechanic :P and also if they added ice blets (ice gravs) to wh-s :P Without that it would be impossible for casual player/corp to survive in this world and people would quit out of boredom :P
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.09 22:39:00 - [66] Originally by: BrundleMeth Edited by: BrundleMeth on 09/01/2011 18:27:40 Here's an idea you can flame. Give new players "God" mode for say 6 months. No one can kill them... I wouldn't, I'd just abuse the hell out of that. Would be pretty entertaining until it gets removed again.
SXyWhile Gallente Echo Roaming Industries	Posted - 2011.01.10 00:03:00 - [67] Perma camp Jita IV-IV. This would be the best thing CCP has done in three years to the game - if they actually did it. They should. This game needs to be more hardcore like it used to be. This game does not need to be appealing to noobs and **ing ****s like those who mine in high sec. Thank you. - S
Sazkyen	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:22:00 - [68] How about transforming all high-sec into 0.5?
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:34:00 - [69] Originally by: Ma'lice Originally by: oolk They did it once back in 05 iirc..too old to remember when really. Yes,whole TQ was 0.0 It wasn't TQ it was SiSi. And it was a stress test a couple days before RMR if I remember correctly. But yeah it was in '05 Nah,it was TQ...I remember undocking in Esescama clearly now...my whole corp just logged that day for crying out loud :)
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:41:00 - [70] Originally by: oolk Originally by: Ma'lice Originally by: oolk They did it once back in 05 iirc..too old to remember when really. Yes,whole TQ was 0.0 It wasn't TQ it was SiSi. And it was a stress test a couple days before RMR if I remember correctly. But yeah it was in '05 Nah,it was TQ...I remember undocking in Esescama clearly now...my whole corp just logged that day for crying out loud :) Vet checking in with a vivid memory of being blown up several times in the biggest ship I could fly in those days.. Brutix. And it was on TQ and it was Armageddon. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.10 16:37:00 - [71] It would work if you made it impossible to hide behind alts.
Gogela Freeport Exploration	Posted - 2011.01.11 02:35:00 - [72] I have a better idea... what if security status fluctuated in 0.6 systems and below? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1446257 ------------------------------------ "A hungry man will tell you anything if you give him a cookie."
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.11 02:46:00 - [73] Why not make ALL systems in eve 1.0?
Allbrecht Crossfire Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.13 00:04:00 - [74] My suggestions: 1. Make Empire smaller. About 1 region per race. Allow periphery regions between the races that are allowed to change based upon factional warfare campaigns. 2. Make the majority of low sec systems 0.0 systems. The few remaining low sec systems remain among 0.0 to prevent the bubbling of trade hubs. 3. Change the Eve universe to more of a sphere (Not a map that is able to "flatten"). Make empire the core of the sphere. A sphere prevents "corners" which are easier to defend. -------------- I don't think big alliances would swallow the newly created 0.0 area. Sure, maybe at first, but as long as there were some willing people to compete, the big alliances wouldn't dedicate a lot of time to a war campaign for a small region for a benefit other than having more land. The area is too big. There are already pockets in 0.0 areas that big alliances have trouble covering already. The choice is simply with the player: a. Fight a war of attrition in the risk of being totally annihilated or b. Pay a certain amount of money to rent your own space.
Marak Mocam	Posted - 2011.01.13 09:42:00 - [75] Edited by: Marak Mocam on 13/01/2011 09:43:48 Originally by: TimMc Results 1. Total chaos for next 30 days as people adjusted and as many waited for their subscriptions to end. 2. On mass, carebears and casual players would quit eve. 3. Everyone left would have to form or submit to an alliance entity to provide defense, industry and logistics. Small corporations would only continue to exist if pirate NPC space continued to exist allowing docking. 4. Prices of everything would x10 for next year making PvP for most people highly unplesent, encouraging blobbing further. Basically this would kill eve. Pretty much as you have outlined. There would be no trade hubs. 2/3rds of the game is nullsec now. Many systems under NPC control yet none of them qualifies as a trade-hub. The first stop of most of your alliances would be to gut all the hubs in highsec and see if anyone tried to make a new one -- then destroy those. No - no hubs as we know them today. Alliances would form up coalitions and "blue" vast groups. These alliances would then agree upon this or that system as a hub for THEIR coalition. Those hubs would be patrolled by players to control who can and cannot get in to do business. Production from stations... Simply fly into a region, check the industry tab and you have what is being done and where. Try and get stuff in or out of those stations... With no defenses against super cap fleets, highsec would be gutted within days, leaving nothing but mass broke players with no where to get ships nor fittings. etc... Newbie region? Perma-camped. No way to earn ISK, no way to train and learn, ultra high prices on ships and fittings... There goes replacing your lost users. So CCP would have less money to maintain, less staff to develop and support, less marketing funds... EVE would quickly drop below SWG with respect to hearing about it in the gaming world and the comments from ex-EVE players would make the ex-SWG types seem like love poems. Yeah, pretty much the end of the game.
Afrid Zaror	Posted - 2011.01.13 11:09:00 - [76] If all space was 0.0 half the people who play would stop playing, numbers of newbies playing the game for the first time, riding out the learning curve and then going on to subscribe would be even lower than the current newbie retention rate and, due to the fact that what seems to be 99% of the people who play this game are *****s who play solely to cause grief to other people, the game would absolutely **ing suck. I'd quit.
Keen Fallsword	Posted - 2011.01.13 11:24:00 - [77] It could be safer that it is now. Coz humankind not likes chaos. So It wont be Armageddon. After few days it can be peacefully place. coz PPL can organize and cooperate. 0.0 are safer places (intels,militias,patrols etc. Thats why pirates dont likes null sec. Coz they cant get easy kills.) then low-sec. When ppl have something to loose they starts diplomacy :). Piracy is a problem coz CCP is making money from players ships lousing thats why They like piracy so much.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.01.13 12:44:00 - [78] Why not simply try out Darkfall and see what kind of experience it is? Simply, having one game element (non-consensual PvP combat) overrule the possibility of conducting any other game element is shoveling sand out of the box, not adding to it. Essentially, playing EVE but not doing PvP combat would be as limited as playing WoW and not collecting gear. A sandbox game should promote diverse game elements and experiences, not limit it to one. TLDR: Non-consensual combat PvP != sandbox game. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.13 12:48:00 - [79] It would probably mean that most of the people in NPC corps would leave the game.
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.13 13:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Forum Guy It would probably mean that most of the people in NPC corps would leave the game. It's exactly what they want, no more pve and high sec. More blobs, SC's hot drops and plenty of empty space to farm with their bots. ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Eyup Mi'duck	Posted - 2011.01.13 16:32:00 - [81] ...dreams of arkonor and Gneiss in Jita.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.13 16:34:00 - [82] Originally by: Eyup Mi'duck ...dreams of arkonor and Gneiss in Jita. Not much use to me, I don't mine these days.

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