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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 20/01/2011 00:30:41
Please post your tipps and tricks around creating an avatar so that others who have difficulties with it can find some help here.
I will make a start:
- When you create your face then choose your hair last. First try to get the form and expression of your face the way you want it. Hair should not be used to cover up what you do not really like. Once you have got your head and face right, choose the hair to match or to complement it. You can also turn the hair on and off to see what it looks like with and without it.
- You do not have to wear every available piece of cloth. You might want to leave the jacket off for example. Women should generally wear less.
- When you create your picture then remember this: people lower their eyebrows and squint their eyes when they get a lot of light into their face. If you have ever pointed a strong light into someone's face then you will know about this. It is the opposite in darkness, where people raise their eyebrows and widen their eyes. You should see the faces of people in darkness through a night vision camera - it is quite funny to see what their faces look like then.
If you shine light just from one side into a persons face then usually will the person raise the brow on the dark side, and lower the brow and squint a little on the other.
- If you choose a wall background then find one that matches somewhat the light source's direction. If the background and the avatar have the light casting into the same direction will it give the picture more depth.
If you have any other tipps or tricks then I would like to read them!
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:14:00 -
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Whitehound a solid topic, I always go to skinhead before I make any facial changes. Ive got so many more tips but will maybe submit them when I havent had so many beers |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:16:00 -
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http://www.wtfpwnbbq.com/Incursion/
Got that from a friend. It seems like a good structural overview.
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President Nyxon
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:18:00 -
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Hair is for the weak. Nyxon is pro-war and pro-baldness.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:10:00 -
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How did you do it?
And can I get some make-up tips from the girls?
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Zidphria Mouritas
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:14:00 -
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Go natural, don't over do it, and make sure the colours match (but don't match your iris colour).
Other female-specific tips: you want high cheekbones, with a high, slender jawline. From there adding roundness to your cheeks increases the level of femininity.
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Mateo Maniaco
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:17:00 -
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Solid topic for people who want to redo their avatar when CCP allows.
Lighting and color are everything in this system. Also, knowing how to properly structure a face helps a lot. You misplace something even slightly and you can end up with a strange looking result.
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Eeio
Fire Paths Divide MInds
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Whitehound
Women should generally wear less.
Best tip of the year 
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Divona Stormswords
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:22:00 -
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When you do your portrait, make uses of the 4 slots. Be like the real photographer in studio, direct your avatar, adjust the pose and facial and snap the shot. When you found one you like, move to the next slot, change pose, facial, and camera angle and take new snap shot. Repeat until you fill up all the 4 slots and choose which look the best. If still not happy, find the one slot that you like less and redo the snap in new pose. Lastly, lighting really do the trick in making your avatar look bad or good. If you going to stuck with your avatar for many years to come, might as well take your time. 
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
- When you create your face then choose your hair last. First try to get the form and expression of your face the way you want it. Hair should not be used to cover up what you do not really like. Once you have got your head and face right, choose the hair to match or to complement it. You can also turn the hair on and off to see what it looks like with and without it.
Hair is the most performance crippling thing in the char editor, so during sculpting and anything else it should be OFF. Same for sunglasses.
Originally by: Whitehound
When you create your picture then remember this: people lower their eyebrows and squint their eyes when they get a lot of light into their face. If you have ever pointed a strong light into someone's face then you will know about this. It is the opposite in darkness, where people raise their eyebrows and widen their eyes. You should see the faces of people in darkness through a night vision camera - it is quite funny to see what their faces look like then.
If you shine light just from one side into a persons face then usually will the person raise the brow on the dark side, and lower the brow and squint a little on the other.
Does not apply to flashlights.. some people got a photo-booth-frontal-flashlight effect going by choosing the right light options and a background that looks like it reflects the 'weak' flash. Makes for very photorealistic portraits.
- aim for close-ups if you want your face to be recognisable from channel lists/forums
- aim for strong shadows/bright lights/highlights.. play with the lights and poses a lot and make several trials on the left side and compare them there
- choose backgrounds that offer some sort of contrast with your avatar (avoid the fireball and other alike backgrounds which have no contrast)
- follow composition rules if the result should resemble something artistic
- there are some portraits out there which have some kind of mood/environment/setup going for them, where the upper part of the body is pictured instead of the face and the background matches the lighting
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Mateo Maniaco
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:27:00 -
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Listen to Tres Farmer, he has one of the best male avatars I've seen.
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Mystica Shadowheart
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Whitehound
- When you create your face then choose your hair last. First try to get the form and expression of your face the way you want it. Hair should not be used to cover up what you do not really like. Once you have got your head and face right, choose the hair to match or to complement it. You can also turn the hair on and off to see what it looks like with and without it.
Hair is the most performance crippling thing in the char editor, so during sculpting and anything else it should be OFF. Same for sunglasses.
Originally by: Whitehound
When you create your picture then remember this: people lower their eyebrows and squint their eyes when they get a lot of light into their face. If you have ever pointed a strong light into someone's face then you will know about this. It is the opposite in darkness, where people raise their eyebrows and widen their eyes. You should see the faces of people in darkness through a night vision camera - it is quite funny to see what their faces look like then.
If you shine light just from one side into a persons face then usually will the person raise the brow on the dark side, and lower the brow and squint a little on the other.
Does not apply to flashlights.. some people got a photo-booth-frontal-flashlight effect going by choosing the right light options and a background that looks like it reflects the 'weak' flash. Makes for very photorealistic portraits.
- aim for close-ups if you want your face to be recognisable from channel lists/forums
- aim for strong shadows/bright lights/highlights.. play with the lights and poses a lot and make several trials on the left side and compare them there
- choose backgrounds that offer some sort of contrast with your avatar (avoid the fireball and other alike backgrounds which have no contrast)
- follow composition rules if the result should resemble something artistic
- there are some portraits out there which have some kind of mood/environment/setup going for them, where the upper part of the body is pictured instead of the face and the background matches the lighting
THIS!
And Tres...nice avatar.
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Mateo Maniaco
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mystica Shadowheart
THIS!
And Tres...nice avatar.
*armfold* Fine, say nothing about mine, which used the same technique.
Kidding, btw.
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Ankh
Minmatar
Angel Constellation
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:37:00 -
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Fuzzy or soft backgrounds work best. Those bright coloured nebula ones in particular detract from the avatar itself.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mateo Maniaco
Originally by: Mystica Shadowheart
THIS!
And Tres...nice avatar.
*armfold* Fine, say nothing about mine, which used the same technique.
Kidding, btw.
The shadow over the eye is bril
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Mystica Shadowheart
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mateo Maniaco
Originally by: Mystica Shadowheart
THIS!
And Tres...nice avatar.
*armfold* Fine, say nothing about mine, which used the same technique.
Kidding, btw.
:D Since you asked....
Nice shadows and overall a better feel than most of the avatar floating around.
Fly safe!
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:41:00 -
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Gold Rule Of Cool: If you think it looks amazing and totally 'alternative', everyone else has had the same idea.
Likewise Second Golden Rule of Cool: If they haven't, when they see it, they will copy it. 48 hrs later you will gimped and tossed in the 'emo foo' pool. Forever.
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flapie 2
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: flapie 2 on 20/01/2011 10:42:28
Anny idee's on how to get the hooded amarr guy ?
Iff been trying some stuff, jus cant seem to get it done for some reason on my alt :(
The cape thingie is there, the hood however is down on his back, and if seen 1 or 2 chars with the hood over there head.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:43:00 -
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- Make a decision: do you want your avatar to be looking into the camera, do you want it to flirt with it, or do you want it to be looking elsewhere? Once you make this decision begin to adjust your avatar to reflect your decision.
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Crovax Parianic
New Eden Recon Force
Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: flapie 2
Edited by: flapie 2 on 20/01/2011 10:42:28
Anny idee's on how to get the hooded amarr guy ?
Iff been trying some stuff, jus cant seem to get it done for some reason on my alt :(
The cape thingie is there, the hood however is down on his back, and if seen 1 or 2 chars with the hood over there head.
there is a little option when you select the robes wich is at 1/3. Same box as where you selected the robe from, you can set it to 1,2 or 3 depending on wether you want the hood covering most of your face, just your head or not at all.
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Iceni
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:52:00 -
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Zoom in, zoom out, try every angle, each lighting option. It's amazing what a difference it makes.
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flapie 2
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Crovax Parianic
Originally by: flapie 2
Edited by: flapie 2 on 20/01/2011 10:42:28
Anny idee's on how to get the hooded amarr guy ?
Iff been trying some stuff, jus cant seem to get it done for some reason on my alt :(
The cape thingie is there, the hood however is down on his back, and if seen 1 or 2 chars with the hood over there head.
there is a little option when you select the robes wich is at 1/3. Same box as where you selected the robe from, you can set it to 1,2 or 3 depending on wether you want the hood covering most of your face, just your head or not at all.
 that simpel hu, ill go check that after 13:00 UTC, i thank you for the hint
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Lump Hammer
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Crovax Parianic
Originally by: flapie 2
Edited by: flapie 2 on 20/01/2011 10:42:28
Anny idee's on how to get the hooded amarr guy ?
Iff been trying some stuff, jus cant seem to get it done for some reason on my alt :(
The cape thingie is there, the hood however is down on his back, and if seen 1 or 2 chars with the hood over there head.
there is a little option when you select the robes wich is at 1/3. Same box as where you selected the robe from, you can set it to 1,2 or 3 depending on wether you want the hood covering most of your face, just your head or not at all.
Ohnoes! Why why why? I was enjoying the fact that Incarna seemed to have removed all those faceless hoodies.
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:02:00 -
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Take your time.
Atmospheric lighting is subtler, dramatic light is deep shadows and harsh lighted areas, try both. Some of the most effective pics are done with indirect or less lighting.
I'm living proof.
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Jack Mayhem
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:02:00 -
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I am reposting a tip that was posted yesterday by someone, I found it extremely useful:
"I've found a way round the "preview isn't clear enough" problem which some of us have had before clicking "save" (we'd line everything up nicely, take a pic, and the preview is so small we can't really see clearly the details, and then we click save and we're staring lower than we were in the character creation screen). When you save the four previews (or just one), the actual picture is saved to your cache under the "pictures/portraits" folder. You can then alt/tab out and take a good long look at the picture (it's displayed at a very good resolution so if the eyes aren't staring where you want them to you can't miss it) you took and see if it's what you want. It's very clear, and leaves no room for error too!"
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Lyzander Yumarr
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:15:00 -
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Lighting is everything! Good lighting can make or break a picture, so be sure to refine the lights intensity and direction until it looks and feels just right. What I do is go from one side of the spectrum to the other (very bright-very dark), then move to moderate intensity to see just how much changes due to the lights. Then I'll change the direction of the light source so that it matches my character and doesn't make him look like a shadow or contrast and look ugly.
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Avaan Eclipse
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:16:00 -
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Awesome thread is awesome.
Also note that the pose of your character conveys a lot of emotion. A character standing looking straight into the camera looks stoic and serious, tilting your head more than just a little bit makes for a cute look.
I've seem so many characters with a "tough guy" look looking straight into the camera, with their shoulders down. There's nothing more creepy than a character whose facial expression does not match his body language.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:21:00 -
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Ok, here is a screenshot of a folder where I browsed this thread here and picked everything that looked 'wow, nice' to me and then sorted into categories:
As you can see.. the pose or arrangement of your avatar itself isn't the selling point here.. it's the lighting and the overall composition.
Everything else in that thread up to page 30 I think I made it was subpar or redundant.. some more nice portraits on the way, but I had to slow down on them to not collect to many to make my point
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Krevnos
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:22:00 -
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Don't forget that some items of clothing have additional options for how they are to be worn and the option is not massively obvious (a little symbol near the clothing item's icon). Amarr cloaks are a good example where characters may be hooded.
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Titsy Normous
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:22:00 -
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Some excellent tips in this thread.
Makeup is one of the hardest things to do right. You can use as much as you want as long as the makeup dosnt draw too much attention to itself. You want it to compliment the overall feel of the portrait without being so intrusive that itĘs the main thing you notice. Pick colours that go well together, you can also try matching with your hair or clothes.
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