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Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.01.24 06:56:00 - [1] Minmatar frigate 5 will be finished soon and i have a feeling i will love the claw since i am such a fan of the rifter. I would like to know if anyone has any useful tips for the Claws use especially when fitting. I have had some ideas, with long range/short range. They are (at a glance they will fit although cant be sure): 3x 200mm Autocannon II / 3x 280mm II 1x Named Standard Launcher 1x MWD II 1x Fleeting Propulsion / Named 20km Scrambler 1x Micro aux 1x 400mm rolled tungsten / Cap relay 2x relay Anyway, i need all the help i can get. I have experience with long range frigate/cruiser killing in my crusader so perhaps i would prefer a short range variant. Cheers, bob Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Erucyll Turon	Posted - 2005.01.24 08:08:00 - [2] you wont be able to fit 3 x 250 II nvm 3 x 280 II..
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.01.24 09:27:00 - [3] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 24/01/2005 09:29:17 I wouldn't put any armor plate onto an Interceptor; that just defeats the purpose, which is speed. A plate will slow you down and make you easier to hit. In an Interceptor, if you're taking damage, you're doing something wrong. The Cap relay is much more useful. If you want to fit something else besides a relay in low, throw on a damage mod.
starfox2004	Posted - 2005.01.24 10:17:00 - [4] My high slots are as folllows 3 x 280 II and 1 rocket launcher it fits !
hooj	Posted - 2005.01.24 11:06:00 - [5] i like 3x 250 II, standard launcher mwd, 20k scrambler 3x cap relay, 1x T2 tracking enhancer
Shevar2	Posted - 2005.01.24 11:09:00 - [6] Edited by: Shevar2 on 24/01/2005 11:09:38 Sounds about right, you will need to drop the 400 plate if you want to use 280's and a 7.5 km scrambler or webber is generally better when you are using 200's. The rest it looks like a decent setup, you could also consider changing a cap relay for a deactivated rep if you are flying outside empire though, it's handy to repair between battles.
Magorath	Posted - 2005.01.24 11:24:00 - [7] Like Hooj said. 3 250mm t2s Standard launcher MWD 20k Scrambler 3 cap power relays 4relay if you dont ahve skills to run this forever or overdrive/nanofiber. Just keep yourself out of web range and it'll do the trick.
CmdoColin	Posted - 2005.01.24 13:00:00 - [8] First up - the claw is real tight on CPU. You can actually get better fittings on a rifter because of that. Weaponary - what are you trying to hit? What range. Why use 25km light missiles when you are using autocannons with a top range of 6km? Rockets do a greater damage over time than lights. If your using a 7.5km scarmbler go for rockets. Personally if you want a short range set up - 200mm emp (125mm have better tracking same range and I find do pretty much the same damage when RoF is introduced).You are using the additional fall-off as the range. I get 30-40 damage per second per gun. Unless you've sharpshooting 5, and trj analysis 5 - you'll need to swap this out when doing long range stuff with the auto's. Remember max range is optimal + fall-off. Use named rocket launchers - you can get the RoF seriously insane with good skills. Have defneders in your cargo hold at all times. The defenders won't work very close up - as inside 2000m as launch and fire - you've already been hit. I personally rate 2 launchers as they give you the flexibility of range. If your webbed or facing a better knife fighter like a gallnete ship - you've then got an option they don't - stand off and pound them with rockets outside their range. Also 2 named rocket launchers launching defenders will keep all the missiles of you back - even cruise from a raven if you work at it and the force is with you that day. As for over confident kestral pilots using lights - they learn why the crow only has 3 missile slots and one gun slot. Mids... mwd... depends on your skills check out the 1mn t2's... I've acceleration control 5 and have had a nice suprise. Basically unless its a duel I still wouldn't be confident without a 1mn mwd. Warp scrambler or web - depends what your doing. Frig duels I'd go web every time. PS - did they up the range? I thought webs were 7.5, they're 10km - am I just loosing it. Low's. Its fragile - forget the plate - speed is your friend. Stick in as many cap things as you need (try power diags too if there are pg issues - kinda does both badly - but I like the shield bonus too). Go overdrives. Make the fastest ship go faster. Seriously. Go faster... I also occasionally use tracking or gyro's. Think I've one cap relay, overdrive, t2 gyro and at2 tracking thing in my lows right now. The Minmatar ships are meant to be fast and hard hitting. I always try to go to the extreme with a ship set up, really working on what its good at - not fixing what its not so good at. Thats a tactical consideration of using it - and playing to its strength. Audita et altera pars
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2005.01.24 13:33:00 - [9] Hi, I'm your friend, the 150mm light autocannon. And this is my friend, the 400mm armor plate. I don't really agree with the people who say you shouldn't armor up a Claw. It armors up really nicely, having a nice power core which you can dedicate mostly to armor if you fit low power weapons. For 2 mid slot interceptors, I prefer MWD and web, and just hope that I can kill my target before they warp out. With that in mind, I'll fit for maximum damage: 3 guns and a rocket launcher - the rocket launcher bumps your target around, which slows them going into warp, while 150mm autocannons have double the ammo capacity of 200mm's, which makes a difference if you're going up against larger ships. The result is a ship that's very fast, very tough, and very hard to hit once you settle into that close, tight non-MWD orbit. I've taken out pretty much every type of interceptor, several kinds of assault frigates, cruisers and (once, before I had to flee reinforcements) nearly an assault cruiser with this ship. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.01.24 14:04:00 - [10] Quote: Minmatar frigate 5 will be finished soon and i have a feeling i will love the claw since i am such a fan of the rifter. Um ... the Claw is an Interceptor and therefore based on the Slasher MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
BigJim Beef	Posted - 2005.01.24 15:08:00 - [11] Originally by: MOOstradamus Quote: Minmatar frigate 5 will be finished soon and i have a feeling i will love the claw since i am such a fan of the rifter. Um ... the Claw is an Interceptor and therefore based on the Slasher Yes, but it has more in common with the rifter, just faster, tougher and with 2 more low slots. And i'm a big fan of semi tanking the Claw, with a MAPC you can fit 400rt, a T2 armour rep (1002 armour with hull upgrades 4) and that leaves you a free slot for a hardener or something. Only downside is that you're pretty limited on Grid and CPU by this point, but 125t2's take like 1 grid/2 cpu (i think) to fit. Use named stuff to save CPU, arbalest or oe5200 rockets have equal CPU (something like 8.4 with weapon upgrades 4) and an X5 web uses 1 less than fleeting
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.01.24 17:42:00 - [12] Erucyll: Just running numbers through in head Claw = 50 grid at lvl 5 engineering. MAP = 12.5 grid increase = 62.5 grid total 3x 280mm Howitzer II = 39 Grid 1x Limos Standard = 3 grid 1x MWD II = 15 grid 1x Disruptor = 1 grid = 58 grid used Anyway, Electro, A claw can top 4000m/s with mwd II. If I wanted purely speed I would stay with my crusader, which is afaik 200-400m/s faster with mwd II. With the armour plate I would still be moving 3600m/s + which I believe is as fast as most interceptors. It just gives me a 1000+ total armour points. But I have just realized that a crow might be able to give me a hard time so long as it had a 90% webber also. Anyway, thanks for the information on the rocket launchers. I just thought that I could fire with lights as soon as I got a lock then they would hit once I had a web, upping the DoT to perhaps more than a rocket launcher. Thanks for the information, I am very interested in the smaller autocannons at short range, might free up some CPU, allowing for Gyrostabilizer, making them more powerful than 200mm. Please keep them coming. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.01.24 17:49:00 - [13] just ran some numbers, 125mm gatling autocannon II seems to be only 11% worse on DoT and also saves a lot of CPU and Grid. the 150mm is around 5% worse on DoT, an option as well i suppose. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
DaddyS	Posted - 2005.01.24 18:24:00 - [14] Hi folks, I really found some interesting ideas here. I think I have to get my Claw out of the hangar after I almost gave up all my hope regarding the this ship. Cheers DaddyS
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.01.24 21:12:00 - [15] best anti frigate interceptor out there. ----- ----- -----
Lorth	Posted - 2005.01.24 22:21:00 - [16] Here's a fun set up. 3X150mm, Heavy launcher. MWD, Web 3 micro aux, co-pro2 Its very very funny to see the reaction in local when people look at thier kill mail and see a heavy missile as the weapon type. I also like the 125mm/400mm plate set up a lot. Pair this with a kinetic membrane (tech 2 if you can) and your a crow's/taranises worst nightmare. Currently I'm trying to fit out a gankaclaw. Thus far I have gotten 3 200mm and 2 damage mods on. With good skills and a co-pro it should be possible to fit out a third damage mod.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.01.25 04:21:00 - [17] Best setup i can come up with at the moment: 3x 125mm Autocannon 1x Arbalest Rocket 1x MWD II 1x Fleeting Prop 1x 400mm Plate 1x BASIC REACTOR CONTROL 1x Gyrostab II 1x Relay without the gyrostab and reactor control you have 50/50 grid, making it the most annoying situation ever, micro aux = too much CPU, so basically you have to skip a second relay, but i dont mind. There are other setups that i have been suggested which sound awesome also, i will try them. More suggestions please. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.25 04:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Bobbeh Best setup i can come up with at the moment: 3x 125mm Autocannon 1x Arbalest Rocket 1x MWD II 1x Fleeting Prop 1x 400mm Plate 1x BASIC REACTOR CONTROL 1x Gyrostab II 1x Relay Drop the Arbalest Rocket and Basic Reactor Control for a Caldari Navy/Dread Guristas Rocket (0 powergrid) and a cap relay. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
BigJim Beef	Posted - 2005.01.25 04:31:00 - [19] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Originally by: Bobbeh Best setup i can come up with at the moment: 3x 125mm Autocannon 1x Arbalest Rocket 1x MWD II 1x Fleeting Prop 1x 400mm Plate 1x BASIC REACTOR CONTROL 1x Gyrostab II 1x Relay Drop the Arbalest Rocket and Basic Reactor Control for a Caldari Navy/Dread Guristas Rocket (0 powergrid) and a cap relay. Caldari navy rocket uses way too much CPU i belive...
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.25 04:36:00 - [20] Originally by: BigJim Beef Caldari navy rocket uses way too much CPU i belive... It uses 3 more CPU then an arbalest rocket launcher. The cap relay uses 6 less CPU then the Reactor Control. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Lorth	Posted - 2005.01.25 06:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Bobbeh Best setup i can come up with at the moment: 3x 125mm Autocannon 1x Arbalest Rocket 1x MWD II 1x Fleeting Prop 1x 400mm Plate 1x BASIC REACTOR CONTROL 1x Gyrostab II 1x Relay without the gyrostab and reactor control you have 50/50 grid, making it the most annoying situation ever, micro aux = too much CPU, so basically you have to skip a second relay, but i dont mind. There are other setups that i have been suggested which sound awesome also, i will try them. More suggestions please. Wow thats a nice set up. I'm impressed that you managed to squeeze it all in.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.01.25 12:18:00 - [22] Rollin, are there a lot of them flying about and if so then yar i will! I thought maybe an n-type kinetic hardener would better suit the position of the gyro, what do you think guys? Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.25 15:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Bobbeh Rollin, are there a lot of them flying about and if so then yar i will! I thought maybe an n-type kinetic hardener would better suit the position of the gyro, what do you think guys? I've seen a couple of them go through the sell orders forum in the last few days, but theyre pretty expensive. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:55:00 - [24] Are we talking 5-10mil expensive or 50-100mil, if its the latter i feel sorry for the current state of afairs. The problem is, these modules never get used in PvP because some carebear in Xetic space can chain BS rats in his apoc and never die, meaning he can pay whatever he wants for these modules because he will never lose them. Longest sentence ever. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Pallendor	Posted - 2005.02.19 02:52:00 - [25] ok i got my claw after 2 months. Come summer i`ll av trained the nice setups you recommend. Was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on avoiding being hit in the meantime. Right now its like flying a barn door. Even with MWD 1 on i get hit by everything. Most i can deal with is a few crappy rats. I`ve trained evasive maneuvers 5 of course, but wot else can i do to avoid being hammered as soon as i get near anything? I cant even get near to anything tough cos they destroy me before i`m close. It does look pretty cool tho Thanks for any tips
Seraph Demon	Posted - 2005.02.19 06:42:00 - [26] Pallendor, given time and SP your survivability will increase alot. The claw is not a ship for low-skilled pilots, in your position I would actually recommend a cruiser (stabber most likely), because they are just tougher, and don't need as much raw skill power to be effective. I can solo 0.1 Angel spawns in my claw, it is a powerful ship, you just have to be as good as it is
Pallendor	Posted - 2005.02.19 17:38:00 - [27] thanks for the reply. I am pretty low skilled ur right - could you recommend the skills which a good inty pilot needs? Do implants come into it? Thanks again for any advice
Lorth	Posted - 2005.02.19 21:55:00 - [28] Edited by: Lorth on 19/02/2005 21:59:35 Sure I'll give it a go. Ok how to set up your claw. First, look at the bonuses. Three of them effect turrets. Therefore fit as many turrets as you can, they are your main damage dealers. I see to many people fitting 2 turrets and 2 launchers. Ok next, your mid slots. I'll assume your going to pvp with this so... You need the MWD, to out run missiles, and to get to your target before he warps. Now your remaining mid slot you can fit with either a web or a scrambler. Web if your in a group or are fighting people you know will fight back, scrambler as a defult choice. Now you have your low slots. Theres a whole lot of good options here. And the lows tend to be what seperates a good set up from a bad one. You have the option of fitting out as a 'tank,' a damage dealer, or for speed, or in some cases a mix. The tank involves ushally a 400mm plate, and maybe a small armor repaier. The damage dealer fits a tracking mod and a damage mod. Speed, put some nanofibers in. I'll leave you to experiment with this. Ok skills. First, get you navagation skills up. Frigs in general are all about speed, its thier offence and defence in many cases. Aim for lv 4 in all nav skills and your doing good. Now you need gunnery skills. Projectiles have bad tracking compared to thier counter parts, so motion prediction should be a priority. Also they tend to have large fall-offs which can be an advantage if you know how to use it, anouther skill to train. Also weapons upgrades is nice to have at a high level as the claw is short on cpu in many set ups. Theres also some 4 skills which directly affect your damage (if your using tech 2,) so train these up as well. In effect you'll want to start training up gunnery skills to high levels all of them, but I feel the ones have specifically mentioned are important. A few other skills worth noteing. Spaceship command is rather nice to have trained up. The claw is heavy meaning its agility is rather low compared to other ships. It also has a very short lock range, so train long range targeting your guns can hit further out then you can lock Energy managment lv 4 will allow you to fit a micro auxillary power core, a great asset to frig pilots. Hope that helps EDIT: Do not get implants. Interceptors are primarly used for pvp. There are many ships that NPC better and for less cost then an inty. And your going to lose a lot of claws, face it. So your going to be podded sooner or later and lose some 400mill worth of implants in your head.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2005.02.20 00:26:00 - [29] High : 3 x 250 mm II 1 x Luncher MED : Mwd named or tech II Warp scrambler Low : 2 x cap relay 1 x dmg mod 1 x tracking enhancer Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Jorlin	Posted - 2005.02.20 01:41:00 - [30] Quote: Right now its like flying a barn door. Even with MWD 1 on i get hit by everything hmm... i had some fun last night when a VERY fresh corpmate asked me to lend him a hand in a L1 DS mission. Claw was the only thing i had floating around at the place i was so i just threw in some modules and went to him. i didn't do much...just orbiting the rats at 2,5k with 700+ speed...didn't bother to switch on the AB because i wasn't taking any hits. might have been because of the 4 nanofibers in low slots though ;) fitting was (remember, i just threw in what i had there...) hi: 3x 200mm II 1x standard missile launcher med: 1x 1MW AB 1x small shield booster Low: 4x various nanofibers not a setup that i would use seriously though ;) no police, no summons, no courts of law; no proper procedure, no rules of war; no mitigating circumstance; no lawyers fees, no second chance!
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.02.20 02:19:00 - [31] One problem with using autocannon on a Claw is that a Taranis or Crow will paste you at close range. Taranis with its shere blaster power; the Crows, with a web and rockets. From what I have seen of the Claw, it's biggest advantage is the ability to keep speed and range on a target, if it wants too, and stay close if it doesn't. Harry Voyager
Lorth	Posted - 2005.02.20 06:46:00 - [32] Edited by: Lorth on 20/02/2005 06:50:08 Crows, are in all honestly the one frig I seem to have no problems with. That is assuming I have a web fitted. Maybe I havn't found a competent crow pilot recently, or my fighting style/fitting gives me a distinct advantage. Who knows? Taranises I find difficult, simply because of the shear damage they inflict. Though they can be beaten, and beaten consitantly. However, I still get ready to warp my pop out when I see one more then anyother ship. I smart claw pilot(with autocannons) kills an average taranis pilot all the time though. And theres a lot of average and less then average taranis pilots out there simply because its the flavour of the month. That being said, a smart taranis pilot kills me more then I'll kill him. Amar intys I find to be about equal. These are the ships I like fighting the best simply because all things being equal in skill points and pilot skills the fight goes either way. It comes down to a fast web, well manouved position etc. EDIT: I was reading the first page again and saw Vampire Blade. I remember fighing her crow on the test server and not doing at all well. So I guess not all crow pilots die to claws.
Amiga A4000	Posted - 2005.02.20 10:17:00 - [33] Fit it with 4 cargo expanders, a 1 mn mwd and it becomes a good little agent runner. You can carry most things for agents and dont need bookmarks to get from a - b quickly. Don't knock it it's another use. Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make it's own judgements.
Pallendor	Posted - 2005.02.20 20:27:00 - [34] wow thanks a lot for taking the time to reply in such detail, thats great stuff to know. Starting to realise flying interceptors well is a a tricky business. Got to choose targets well and all stuff like angle of attack to avoid being taken out at range. Fun as hell tho when you`re zooming around the middle of a big fight. Thanks again for the tips
Uuve Savisaalo	Posted - 2005.02.20 23:05:00 - [35] high: 280mm II x 3, 1x Dread Gurrista standard. med: Catalyzed Cold Gas, Domination web low: Domination Gyro x2, Co-proc II, micro 'vigor' core augment. 22.247x Damage mod. Scored a volley on a taranis that read: 1)680 (wreck) 2) 240.5 (excellent) 3) 260 (excellent) (all in an instant) then the pirranha connects with the hull... ..pop... it may seem like a ludicrous investment of equipment, but the whole point is that the individual little bonuses amount into one final salvo of death that likely caused the unfortunate taranis pilot to go 'WHAT!?' Not counting the wreck, this sort of a machine can destroy anything lighter than an assault frigate in two volleys (around 5 seconds rof..) at the cost of heinously-expensive equipment, maxed skills and some second-generation gunslinger line implants
Bug	Posted - 2005.03.01 02:47:00 - [36] Quote: high: 280mm II x 3, 1x Dread Gurrista standard. med: Catalyzed Cold Gas, Domination web low: Domination Gyro x2, Co-proc II, micro 'vigor' core augment. Verrry nice. But if I had a ship like this, i'd just be affraid to get a lagspike all the time. Then again i'm not rich.. maybe billionaires simply don't care.
Dlixx	Posted - 2005.03.01 07:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo it may seem like a ludicrous investment of equipment, but the whole point is that the individual little bonuses amount into one final salvo of death that likely caused the unfortunate taranis pilot to go 'WHAT!?' Not counting the wreck, this sort of a machine can destroy anything lighter than an assault frigate in two volleys (around 5 seconds rof..) at the cost of heinously-expensive equipment, maxed skills and some second-generation gunslinger line implants a Wolf with 4x 280 II and lots of tracking mods does pretty much the same, and I'm pretty sure its a lot cheaper :)
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.03.10 10:24:00 - [38] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 10/03/2005 10:27:34 Im enjoying my setup for close range DoT 3x 200mm Autocannon II 1x Named NoS 1x MWD 2x Named Warp Scrambler 1x Gyro II 1x Tracking II 2x Co-II 400-600damn every 8seconds. Highest landed is 115.0 to 150.0 every fight. -The Frig- Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Gen Maximus	Posted - 2005.03.20 06:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Gen Maximus on 20/03/2005 06:48:06 how does the cap hold up ? I have fitted HI 3 x 250 auto IIs 1 x Arb rocket MID 1 x 1MN MWD II (empty) LOW 2 x Cap Relay 1 x Gyro II 1 x named Tracking Enhancer Im training for electronics upgrades so i can replace a cap relay with a CPU II so i can fit a scrambler. CPU: 107.95/120 PG: 45/50 Cap: 202 @ 86 Sec recharge
Lorth	Posted - 2005.03.20 07:12:00 - [40] The cap on the claw is rather poor. Esentually I fit mine out to have enough cap to win a 1vs1 against a cruiser, so about 1 minute at the best of times. Assuming your well skilled, you can achieve that with no cap mods what so ever. Fit a relay if you need to. As for the above set up, fit a standered missile launcher. Simply because a light missile will often catch an un webbed frig, a rocket never will. Further, I personally don't like 250's when compared to 280's. You can ocastionally one volly a frig such as a vigil, if you get lucky. Also the added DOT and range is not somthing to be over looked. Though, artillarys are very hard to use. They require that you out manover your oppenent in order to avoid being webbed. Further, they do not have the best tracking, so hitting can be difficult at times, no matter your skills.
Gen Maximus	Posted - 2005.03.20 07:32:00 - [41] mm I also have 280mm IIs here but i boubt id be able to fit them either. unles si drop both caps and fit 2 cpu IIs.. i MIGHT scrape in. I have quite decent skills. fitting this thing out is quite tight.
dabster	Posted - 2005.03.20 11:32:00 - [42] Edited by: dabster on 20/03/2005 11:33:27 Edited by: dabster on 20/03/2005 11:32:39 I have 2 basic setups that varies very little from time..or 3 maybe.. 3200mm II, rocket launcher MWD, Web small armor repair II, 200mm plate, 2cap-relay (or was it a gyro II here..dont remember..) 2280mm II, 2std launcher MWD, 20km scrambler Overdrive, 3cap-relay The tank-setup can be altered quite a bit ofcourse, before Claw got its trackingbonus i used 150mm II instead, which made it easier to fit for example a 400mm plate, and/or an active kinetic hardener, gyro II... Also to some people saying "ditch the plate it slows you down to much!", sorry but guys, the Claw is faaaast anyway Preferably use nanofiber plates for a 5% speed-reduction over the 10% all other plates give. edit; btw fitting 3280mm is very possible, but damn it gimps your ship so hard it's not even funny ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
dabster	Posted - 2005.03.20 11:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Harry Voyager One problem with using autocannon on a Claw is that a Taranis or Crow will paste you at close range. Taranis with its shere blaster power; the Crows, with a web and rockets. From what I have seen of the Claw, it's biggest advantage is the ability to keep speed and range on a target, if it wants too, and stay close if it doesn't. Harry Voyager I realise this is a old-ish reply but anyway... Crow is possibly the worst interceptor there is, against other interceptors (the Raptor may be even worse). In say...15 engagements with my Claw vs Crow i lost one Claw, Crow was using oversized AB and my back then poor skills made me miss too much. Actually we both died and had capsules on our killmails Taranis, autocannons have a better range than blasters so you web FAST when he reaches 10km and try to maintain distance (Claw will be faster). Pop goes the 'ranis. ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.05.07 03:38:00 - [44] Well I tried the sugested setup, but am a little concerned without any defence. IN any event this is what I am trying now 3x250 II 1xstandard launcher 1xmwd 1xwarp scran str=1 2xcap relay 1xtrackin enhancer 1x50mm nanofiber plate or nanofiber structure I had 3 cap relays on, but I can run for a long time with 2, so I put on the small plate for the heck of it. not much cpu for anything else. I wonder if a nanofiber wouldnt be better. Id go faster and orbit faster makin me harder to hit. of course also makin it harder for me to hit as well. I should be cool though with the trackin bonus. I may try that. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.05.07 09:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 07/05/2005 09:14:33 Damn old posts. Tracking is the key element to me. I used 2 Tracking Mods and still got 120+ damage for criticals. I listed a setup for Gryo II, but later switched to 2 tracking enhancers to boost my range on my autocannons as well never miss. The damage ave on my autocannons rose from using a Gyro as well. Whenever I switch to 250 II's, I miss so much more on high speed orbiting. As well lack the power to fit good tracking mods. So that leaves you with 2 options. - Swooping your frig (Clicking next to the target and running by him. Like approaching) - Standing Still To hit the target well without orbiting with MWD on. That's where it's much harder to use any Arty. However, for me it's much easier to orbit at my range and dodge missiles a lot easier than trying to run away from them. Arty's are just for quick pops on frigs and other NPC junk. IMO Autocannons are the only way to go that will be diverse for all types of other ships. So you can keep your speed of your frig, as well your orbit, and the option to dodge missiles a lot easier. With any Autocannon, you sub out range for tracking and rate of fire. Then you can go 3 ways. - Boost Tracking/Range - Boost Damage/Rate of Fire - Boost Tanking/Support Is it possiable to use all of these? Not hardly... It's possiable to boost damage and tracking with good skills as well using Tech I's or Basics (Basics are still bonuses). In my solo line of Pirating, just focusing on tracking/range has been a PLUS for my Claw. Once you pick the guns you're happy with, the rest will fall into place. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
dabster	Posted - 2005.05.07 14:15:00 - [46] You really dont need any form of tracking-boosting modules on a Claw, not even using 280 II's. Claw has tracking to small projctiles as bonus and it IS enough to even hit other ceptors that orbit you at 5km un-webbed. ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.05.07 15:37:00 - [47] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/05/2005 15:41:20 Originally by: Lorth EDIT: Do not get implants. Interceptors are primarly used for pvp. There are many ships that NPC better and for less cost then an inty. And your going to lose a lot of claws, face it. So your going to be podded sooner or later and lose some 400mill worth of implants in your head. Yea, but 5 mil of implants for speed, for agility and for MWD cap usage give you a nice edge. And I agree with dabster. The tracking bonus really helps. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Count Tiberio	Posted - 2005.06.27 23:16:00 - [48] Can a claw have an active role in level 4 mission groups besides just grabbing loot?
wild Ari	Posted - 2005.06.28 08:52:00 - [49] it might have its uses after the next patch when you need someone to take care of all the frigs. AB/Painter in med slots.
EL Soros	Posted - 2005.07.14 17:30:00 - [50] Just a general question, but I seem to have problems to get my orbitting below 9km when using a MWD,, any suggestions which skills i should improve, or which modules to fit, to get 5km orbits @ 3km/s+?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.07.14 23:14:00 - [51] Originally by: EL Soros Just a general question, but I seem to have problems to get my orbitting below 9km when using a MWD,, any suggestions which skills i should improve, or which modules to fit, to get 5km orbits @ 3km/s+? afaik the MWD is to get in close, then you turn it off and orbit at 500m-1000m - battleships have no chance of tracking you at that range unless they web you.
Lactose	Posted - 2005.07.16 13:16:00 - [52] The best setup I have used so far is: 3x200 auto II's 1 named nos mwd II web 200 plate damage mod 2x overdrives This setup has been tested against every ceptor out there 1v1 and even against another claw and has passed with flying colors. You obviously have to get in close and web them as soon as they get within 10km and they will pop in 10 seconds. (even the gallente ships :)) My mwd speen is 4177 m/s so speed is not an issue. I do however like the long range setups that I have seen on here and will test them out shortly as engaging a close range gallente AF is not a wise decision atm. Nice ideas guys and if anyone comes up with some more please keep it coming. Secont setup: 3x200 auto II's mwd II web 200 plate small rep II 2x overdrives This is also a nice setup and allows you to rep over time. cheers Lac Lactose
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.16 18:56:00 - [53] lactose a blasteranis would eat that setup alive. I Die A lot in this vid
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.07.16 19:07:00 - [54] there are 2 ways with claw: long range, which sucks, unless you get lucky with 280mm II wreck. Short range with 150mm acsII and 400mm plate. And the second one is deadly. Even more to Afs than to intys :) It will die vs long range intys, but you cannot kill everything.
Camid	Posted - 2005.07.16 19:16:00 - [55] DrunkenOne, does a blasteranis outdamage an autoclaw enough to beat a 400mm plate setup? Or will the Taranis need to drop the neutrons and fit a 200mm plate?
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.16 19:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Camid DrunkenOne, does a blasteranis outdamage an autoclaw enough to beat a 400mm plate setup? Or will the Taranis need to drop the neutrons and fit a 200mm plate? A non-plate blasteranis will kill a 200mm plate claw, I'm about 95% sure. Even electrons outdamage 200 IIs, and the taranis has that uber structure to get through. I can barely beat 200mm plate taranises in a 400mm plate claw. I Die A lot in this vid
Lactose	Posted - 2005.07.17 12:10:00 - [57] Edited by: Lactose on 17/07/2005 12:12:23 Drunkenone- I may be mistaken but I might have a 400 plate but none the less, I have beaten many blasterannises (sp) in a 1v1 encounter with that exact setup. The key to the setup is the speed that I have. We can both be webbed but I am still going to be able to stay at the 500m that I like!! Granted the times I beat the Taranis it was a close call but I still won. Lets talk about he Crow--they last the shortest amount of time. Once they reach that 10km range it is over in 5-10 seconds :) With the speed I have, which isnt the greatest, I can get within 10km before they can mwd away and then, like before, pop! Lactose
NateX	Posted - 2005.08.10 14:00:00 - [58] what about: 1/2x200m 2/1x125m 0/1 whatever you can fit :) MWD II Web named 400plate repair cpu thing/cpr dmg mod NateX
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.08.10 14:13:00 - [59] Originally by: NateX cpu thing/cpr This has to be a micro aux. 4th high slot is an offline mod (as a remote armor rep) nothing else fit. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Dampfschlaghammer	Posted - 2005.08.18 22:58:00 - [60] Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 18/08/2005 23:06:25 Like most people here I dont have real problems with Crows, but I often get owned by Taranis pilots. Which strategy is best against them? Going for 1000m orbits with autocannons + web, or going for 13km mwd orbitting with artilleries? And which ammo is probably suited best for long range fighting in this case? (I take it that for short range you want to use emp most of the time anyways)
Moridan	Posted - 2005.08.18 23:32:00 - [61] Well, i find using artilleries against tarranis works, but nowadays all the ranis pilots fit plates so it takes a while to kill em compare to saw crows who can be killed in almost 2-3 volleys. Also you need to run the 20km scrambler which can be cap intensive, and claw aint got much cap, need to get warp jamming and navigations skills high. My next experiment is to fit target painter instead of jammer/webber on my arty claw to see if i can hit em so hard they don't know to warp away yet. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
NateX	Posted - 2005.08.19 19:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Naughty Boy Originally by: NateX cpu thing/cpr This has to be a micro aux. 4th high slot is an offline mod (as a remote armor rep) nothing else fit. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. found out NateX
TheMakerofDreams	Posted - 2005.08.19 19:59:00 - [63] way to resurrect an ancient thread
slothe	Posted - 2005.08.20 03:07:00 - [64] speak to raith he has a great setup. screwed my statistics up :/
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.08.20 04:54:00 - [65] Originally by: slothe speak to raith he has a great setup. screwed my statistics up :/ Ahh I see you've met the jagerbomb.
Jist bik	Posted - 2005.08.28 00:24:00 - [66] Can some1 tell me why to buy a claw instead of a rifter? Some more speed, 2 more low slots, but is it really worth 10mills more then the rifter?
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2005.08.28 00:25:00 - [67] faster , more hp and its cool looking
Capt 69	Posted - 2005.08.30 21:06:00 - [68] I am new to the claw, I have a close range set up 200mT2 but am strugling with the ammo type at a 500m orbit? Any help? 'We finance terror'
Moridan	Posted - 2005.08.30 22:12:00 - [69] Most people use fusion as most people armor tank but under-tank explosive damage. I like to use Phased plasma and fusion mixxed to get through sheilds that much quicker. Nothing wrong with emp tho. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Jatonix	Posted - 2005.09.05 18:35:00 - [70] Edited by: Jatonix on 05/09/2005 18:40:29 i Run: 3 x 150 II"s 1 x mwd II 1 x fleeting warp[7.5km] 1 x 400m RT 1 x Collateral adaptive nano 2 x RCU can take on AF's and win, ____________________________________________ CEO and still kick'in your ass since KIA Like this Sig..? Visit
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.09.05 19:26:00 - [71] If anyone wants my setup, I sell it for 5 mil a pop. :) Suffice to say that the Claw is THE interceptor of Eve. There is very little else in your weight class you need fear. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
NateX	Posted - 2005.09.05 19:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Maya Rkell If anyone wants my setup, I sell it for 5 mil a pop. :) Suffice to say that the Claw is THE interceptor of Eve. There is very little else in your weight class you need fear. for the items? ````````````` _ \|\_ ````````````` \` oo\ ````````_____/ =__Y= `````` /` `````` ) `_``` / ` , ``` \/\_.(\_/) ((____\| `` )_--\ \_-`(x.x) `------'`------` `--` (> <) Kitty pwns Bunny!
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.10.02 17:21:00 - [73] Edited by: Grimpak on 02/10/2005 17:23:21 Originally by: Maya Rkell If anyone wants my setup, I sell it for 5 mil a pop. :) Suffice to say that the Claw is THE interceptor of Eve. There is very little else in your weight class you need fear. I can kill a plated claw with my plated vampkur ...NOT an easy task btw. ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
R31D	Posted - 2005.10.02 17:23:00 - [74] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 02/10/2005 17:21:24 Originally by: Maya Rkell If anyone wants my setup, I sell it for 5 mil a pop. :) Suffice to say that the Claw is THE interceptor of Eve. There is very little else in your weight class you need fear. I can kill a plated claw with my plated vampkur I laugh at Plated Claws that think they can kill my AF. It's funny to watch them run at me. Some even whine on local because their 'uber' setup didn't work Free bumpage for all
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.10.02 19:02:00 - [75] Still, a plated claw whoops any other t1 or t2 frigate in the game that isn't specifically setup to kill one. Ofc after the inbound plate nerf it will be pretty useless again, but hey, it has had its moments of glory now :-)
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.10.02 21:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Still, a plated claw whoops any other t1 or t2 frigate in the game that isn't specifically setup to kill one. Ofc after the inbound plate nerf it will be pretty useless again, but hey, it has had its moments of glory now :-) plated vampkur is a pretty standart setup imho ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.02 21:42:00 - [77] Originally by: R31D Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 02/10/2005 17:21:24 Originally by: Maya Rkell If anyone wants my setup, I sell it for 5 mil a pop. :) Suffice to say that the Claw is THE interceptor of Eve. There is very little else in your weight class you need fear. I can kill a plated claw with my plated vampkur I laugh at Plated Claws that think they can kill my AF. It's funny to watch them run at me. Some even whine on local because their 'uber' setup didn't work Yep which proves that eve is about player skill more than fitting skill
Vathar	Posted - 2005.10.02 23:02:00 - [78] Originally by: DrunkenOne Yep which proves that eve is about player skill more than fitting skill Occasionally, fights involving artillery can also involve som luck, because of the sheer annihilative power of wrecking hits (damned frustrating when you're on the receiving end, but hilarious otherwise, mostly when they're followed by some form of "wtf" on local) Originally by: Jist bik Can some1 tell me why to buy a claw instead of a rifter? Some more speed, 2 more low slots, but is it really worth 10mills more then the rifter? As it's been said, A LOT more speed, 2 extra mids, 25% more damage is nice also; can't remember the exact CPU/PG walues, but it should be slightly higher ... The baby's woth it! Originally by: DrunkenOne Ahh I see you've met the jagerbomb. What's THIS? ____________ Space Shaman Don't take life seriously, you'll not survive it anyway
Sgt Hood	Posted - 2005.10.26 03:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Lactose Edited by: Lactose on 17/07/2005 12:12:23 Lets talk about he Crow--they last the shortest amount of time. Once they reach that 10km range it is over in 5-10 seconds :) With the speed I have, which isnt the greatest, I can get within 10km before they can mwd away and then, like before, pop! Yes, lets talk about the Crow... Let's see - 1 Crow with 3 t2 rocket launchers and a 125mm II, it also has a mwd with 400mm plate. Range on your 125mm Autocannons? around 3000-5000m max? Crow gets to 10km webs you, keeps at range and your wtfpwned everytime. Apparently, you find alot of noob pilots.. GL with that though.
Fred Lowe	Posted - 2005.10.26 05:09:00 - [80] as has been mentioned, if he's webbing you, you can web him and since the claw generally has the higher top speed, it sets the distance, not the crow.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.10.26 06:09:00 - [81] Edited by: Angelus X on 26/10/2005 06:12:55 Edited by: Angelus X on 26/10/2005 06:09:30 Excuse the uber long post and quote spam! I'm bored , I also just noticed when I finished that most of the stuff quoted below was written at times between today and last year, so um, oops. Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I wouldn't put any armor plate onto an Interceptor; that just defeats the purpose, which is speed. A plate will slow you down and make you easier to hit. In an Interceptor, if you're taking damage, you're doing something wrong. When it comes to "tacklers" I'd agree with you, but inties aren't just there to hold down the griefers with a full rack of stabs in their low slots. Originally by: CmdoColin I personally rate 2 launchers as they give you the flexibility of range. As someone else mentioned, considering the Claw only gets a damage bonus (and a big one) for turrents, it's kind of silly to swap a turrent for another launcher. Originally by: CmdoColin Its fragile - forget the plate - speed is your friend. That's why you put a plate on duh Originally by: Vampire Blade best anti frigate interceptor out there. mmm, nope Originally by: Harry Voyager One problem with using autocannon on a Claw is that a Taranis or Crow will paste you at close range. Taranis with its shere blaster power; the Crows, with a web and rockets. Try pasting an auto-cannon claw, whether it's gank-fitted or tank-fitted at 1000m in a crow. There is a little bit of pilot skill involved ya know! Originally by: dabster Crow is possibly the worst interceptor there is, against other interceptors (the Raptor may be even worse). Originally by: Count Tiberio Can a claw have an active role in level 4 mission groups besides just grabbing loot? I've heard of people "Speed Tanking" levels of 6/10 complexes in a claw, not exactly sure how they do it though, maybe its possible to do that in a level 4 too? Originally by: Lactose 3x200 auto II's 1 named nos mwd II web 200 plate damage mod 2x overdrives This setup has been tested against every ceptor out there 1v1 and even against another claw and has passed with flying colors. You obviously have to get in close and web them as soon as they get within 10km and they will pop in 10 seconds. (even the gallente ships :)) Just cause you've managed to win a handful of fights against a handful of ceptors doesn't really make for that good "testing". There are so many different setups out there, especially when you consider people often use sub-par equipment and fly with rubbish skills. P.S. that setup sucks.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.10.26 06:10:00 - [82] continued... Originally by: LUKEC there are 2 ways with claw: long range, which sucks, unless you get lucky with 280mm II wreck. Short range with 150mm acsII and 400mm plate.....It will die vs long range intys, but you cannot kill everything. The long range artillery setup on a claw is actually very deadly, and quite unpredictable. The reason it sometimes seems weak is because to fly it effectively requires quite a bit of skill. Escaping from another long range inty while flying an autocannon-plate setup is very easy. You just MWD towards a celestial object and your garunteed to get atleast 20km away from your orbiting foe. Originally by: Lactose Lets talk about he Crow--they last the shortest amount of time. Once they reach that 10km range it is over in 5-10 seconds :) Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Still, a plated claw whoops any other t1 or t2 frigate in the game that isn't specifically setup to kill one. I think maya would disagree? here, here, here, here... Originally by: Maya Rkell If anyone wants my setup, I sell it for 5 mil a pop. :) High: 2x 150mm Autocannon 1x 200mm Autocannon 1x Rocket Launcher II Mids: 1x X5 Webber 1x Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters (Named Afterburner) Lows: 1x Small Armour Repairer II 1x 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate 1x Capacitor Power Relay 1x Micro Aux Power Core is what Maya uses Originally by: Maya Rkell Suffice to say that the Claw is THE interceptor of Eve. There is very little else in your weight class you need fear. And the above setup is a pretty good one, the only major problem being if you come up against a gank-fitted taranis (neutrons and damage mods), or a blaster/plate-taranis (400mm plate and blasters) if you both web each other, and he activates his MWD while you activate your Afterburner, assuming equal(ish) skills and equipment you're going to be travelling at approx. 140m/s while your opponent is travelling at over 500m/s, which means not only does he pick the range, but he's going to be getting exactly into his optimal, very quickly. The same goes for fighting any other inty with an MWD on. Escaping from a long-range inty who refuses to enter web range might also be a problem. (not sure on that though) Originally by: Fred Lowe as has been mentioned, if he's webbing you, you can web him and since the claw generally has the higher top speed, it sets the distance, not the crow. Again, assuming equal(ish) skills and equal(ish) equipment, chances are the claw will be going slightly faster than the crow, but the difference in speed will not be huge if there both webbing each other and MWD'ing. So while the claw will be able to reduce the range of the engagement it will take a certain amount of time, often long enoguh for the crow to kill the claw or atleast damage it enough to ensure it wins the fight. Also, not only does it have something to do with equipment and skills, but also the player-control of the inties. At the end of the day, just be glad you've got so many variations on what you can fit on your claw, AND still fly effectively. Something I don't reckon the crow has.
ArcheryTXS	Posted - 2005.10.26 07:51:00 - [83] use this one : HI: 2x 150mm T2 + 200mm T2 MED: X5 Prototype + Catalyzed Cold-gas Arc jet LOW: 400mm Reinforced Titanium Plate + Small Armour Repair T2 + Stabilized Weapon Mounts + Micro Auxiliary Power Core / Городская тоска...
R31D	Posted - 2005.10.26 09:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Angelus X High: 2x 150mm Autocannon 1x 200mm Autocannon 1x Rocket Launcher II Mids: 1x X5 Webber 1x Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters (Named Afterburner) Lows: 1x Small Armour Repairer II 1x 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate 1x Capacitor Power Relay 1x Micro Aux Power Core is what Maya uses This is where she messes up really. Cap relay is a waste, you want a magnetic plate fitted. It's the key to this setup working Free bumpage for all
Raith	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:18:00 - [85] Cache cleared.
Kuningatar	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:21:00 - [86] a magnetic plate??
niko86	Posted - 2005.10.26 12:12:00 - [87] This is more of an all out speed question but ive been having so much fun in my Vigil @ 5028m/second. I'd like to know how fast a claw would go with a gistii type a mwd and 4 local od's. And how much faster is this than any other races inty's?
Rexy	Posted - 2005.10.26 12:32:00 - [88] i would say a malediction's faster with that gear even. ------------------ All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:18:00 - [89] Cap relays are a waste realy. A magnetic plating works wonders against Interceptors like a Taranis. btw: Had no problems killing a few 125mm Taranis or any other longrange Inty in a plated Claw. It's still up to the pilotskill rather than the setup. I agree that Crows are very limited in their setups atm but Crows generaly win against anything that comes closer than 10km. An arty Claw and Crusader are still THE anti-Interceptor ships even more after the plate nerf.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.10.26 16:35:00 - [90] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 26/10/2005 16:35:17 And you made a horid mess of my "not-at-all-set-up-to-fight-inties-was-meant-for-tackling-BS-Taranis" last night, although, that was probably more my fault for thinking i'd have a go at a claw... sighz, next time gadget. ....
Amalek	Posted - 2005.11.10 21:26:00 - [91] I decided to specialize in flying the Claw to start out... my question is a bit more general than setups: Is it even worth flying an inty if I'm in a pirate/merc/mostly-pvp-oriented corp? What do people mostly fly nowadays, and will my Claw be a factor in any fight?
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2005.11.10 22:27:00 - [92] Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 10/11/2005 22:29:17 Yep, it's still completely viable. Go play with one on Sisi for a bit. They are tremendously effective interceptors with the flexibility to use in tanked-short or fast-long range setups. I can fly all interceptors, I've used all, and the Claw remains my favorite for raw damage. For the general "is it worth flying inties" question, they are very useful. For solo pvp, it's nice to have something that can control the fight (i.e.: you decide if you're going to engage, using your superior speed and sig radius). For group pvp, interceptors are the best tacklers you'll find. If you can't scramble something, after all, you probably can't kill it.
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.11.10 23:02:00 - [93] Plate claw vs rocket crow, its so close setup-wise that it goes down to the piloting.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.11.10 23:05:00 - [94] Originally by: Dampfschlaghammer Like most people here I dont have real problems with Crows, but I often get owned by Taranis pilots. Which strategy is best against them? Going for 1000m orbits with autocannons + web, or going for 13km mwd orbitting with artilleries? And which ammo is probably suited best for long range fighting in this case? (I take it that for short range you want to use emp most of the time anyways) If it's AC Claw agianst blasterranis, I'd try to stay at opt+falloff. The ranis shouldn't be hitting very much at that range. If he changes ammo (unlikely), I'd go in close and outdamage him. I'd prolly go with 1 emp, 2 fusion and phalanx to chew thru his plate (if any) as fast as possible. p - l - u - r
Amalek	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:04:00 - [95] What do you guys think about Railguns on a claw? You could stay further out if need-be.
Mark Amarr	Posted - 2005.12.03 18:52:00 - [96] Hmm, I'm liking this thread - I got a nice short range setup now with 3 x 200mm auto IIs and a rocket launcher. However I'd like a second option for long range scrambling on fleet battles along with doing a token amount of damage whilst the big boomers are doing the main work I have been trying 2 x 250mm arty II's 2 x std launcher, mwd and fleeting 20km scram in mid The low slots is where I fall over, coz I'm spanked for cpu by the time I get here, cap relays, tracking mods, damage mods all need more cpu than I got...weapon upgrades 5 is training right now, and will help a bit - gonna do A.W.U. as well, but grid is not so much my problem here.... Any ideas?
Brundle Fish	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:09:00 - [97] Run 280IIs 250s don't really work as well on a claw, 3 280s and a missle launcher. . And turn off your MWD once you are orbiting
Sirokko	Posted - 2005.12.07 07:22:00 - [98] Originally by: Brundle Fish Run 280IIs 250s don't really work as well on a claw, 3 280s and a missle launcher. . And turn off your MWD once you are orbiting won't even heavy drones catch up to you then? It's hard to deal damage and still stay at enough speed to avoid damage yourself... at least that's what I've found. Anyone have a solution to this?
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.12.07 08:17:00 - [99] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 24/01/2005 09:29:17 I wouldn't put any armor plate onto an Interceptor; that just defeats the purpose, which is speed. A plate will slow you down and make you easier to hit. In an Interceptor, if you're taking damage, you're doing something wrong. The Cap relay is much more useful. If you want to fit something else besides a relay in low, throw on a damage mod. Quoted for 'oh how things change' Sig removed. Image far too big. 120x400 pixels max. 24000 bytes max. -Kaemonn Ohnoes, I've been nerfed :(
Bigben	Posted - 2005.12.07 22:30:00 - [100] here, put this setup on and you wont have any troble. 3 280mm2s 1 rocket 1 mwd 1 20km scramble 1 small rep 1 cpu 1 rcu 1 gyrob2 or cap relay just try keep a 15km orbit manchester united's best ever fan!
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:15:00 - [101] Originally by: Bigben here, put this setup on and you wont have any troble. 3 280mm2s 1 rocket 1 mwd 1 20km scramble 1 small rep 1 cpu 1 rcu 1 gyrob2 or cap relay just try keep a 15km orbit LOL Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Sirokko	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:58:00 - [102] Drunk, I tend to like your setups, Is there any feasible way to fit a long range Claw, which can do damage as well as not being hit? Or should I just bite the bullet and train for a crusader?
John Miler	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:33:00 - [103] What you think about this fitting? High: 3x 200mm T2 1x Rocket T2 Med: Small shield booster T2 1MN Afterburner T2 Low: CPU T2 Gyrostab T2 200mm Plates T2 Small Armor Rep T2 (signature radius 22)
Scots Crusader	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:47:00 - [104] Originally by: John Miler What you think about this fitting? High: 3x 200mm T2 1x Rocket T2 Med: Small shield booster T2 1MN Afterburner T2 Low: CPU T2 Gyrostab T2 200mm Plates T2 Small Armor Rep T2 (signature radius 22) the general consensus is not to mix a sheild and armour tank. pick one or the other. i would take out the sh/booster put in a web or scrambler. ----------------------------------------------- Maturity and wisdom do not occur overnight. Stupidity on the otherhand, can happen in the blink of an eye!!!!
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:50:00 - [105] Please don't use a co-processor on an interceptor. --- EVE Player Ship Gallery
Cefte	Posted - 2006.01.02 13:25:00 - [106] Is there still a viable 280II Claw setup for anti-inty work?
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.01.02 13:29:00 - [107] Originally by: Cefte Is there still a viable 280II Claw setup for anti-inty work? If you really want to: * 3 280mm t2 * named mwd, named disruptor * MAPC, small rep t2, cap relay, either another cap relay, either a nanofiber. (depending on navigation and cap skills). Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. ---
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.02 13:31:00 - [108] from what i remember if you fit a claw out for speed and high damage 280IIs (ie gyros if you can) then there isnt any other inty that can really beat you .. though this was before they boosted plates and increased all ships hitpoints (which everybody seems to have forgotten) Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.02 13:41:00 - [109] claw + 280mm II is like lottery.... if you manage to get wrecking hit... byby... It maybe doesn't have dps but it has some strange ability to hurt if it hits. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.01.02 13:48:00 - [110] Out of 4 claws i own, only 1 is long range, but i don't fly claws anymore... Taranis baby!
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.02 14:25:00 - [111] actually after rmr i prefer crusader over taranis. Though i think taranis is better at killing intys, crusader rocks at killing AFs, as only minmater get resistances and other simply think that 60% is enough:) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
Omatje	Posted - 2006.01.02 15:05:00 - [112] Edited by: Omatje on 02/01/2006 15:06:53 Using arties on a claw isn't working for me very well. Loads of times you loose your lock because of the tiny targetting range, so i fit sensor booster to find out that without a webber i am dead within 10 seconds to any close range inty, or i drop the MWD to find out that even with a webber i am too slow to kill a Taranis in time. In small groups it's fun when only fitting a sensor booster and MWD because you can play around a bit, since there's a fair chance you are the fastest inty anyway. i'm a paintshop nono
Montero	Posted - 2006.01.02 15:20:00 - [113] Originally by: John Miler What you think about this fitting? High: 3x 200mm T2 1x Rocket T2 Med: Small shield booster T2 1MN Afterburner T2 Low: CPU T2 Gyrostab T2 200mm Plates T2 Small Armor Rep T2 (signature radius 22) so close to the setup of win yet equally so very very far.
liquidism	Posted - 2006.01.02 23:47:00 - [114] claw is awesome autocannons are really cool because when you mwd-approach a target with 4000+ you usually bump 4-5km away.. a blasterranis has to get into a very tight orbit to deal the dmg, while with autocannons you already hit very well at that range, so nail the ranis with a good webber at 4km and pop it whilst taking minimal dmg. i won loads of 1:1s with my claw. the closest i was to death was about 20% armor agaist a t2 rocket launcher closerange crow with a 400 plate.
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2006.01.12 17:09:00 - [115] Originally by: Montero Originally by: John Miler What you think about this fitting? High: 3x 200mm T2 1x Rocket T2 Med: Small shield booster T2 1MN Afterburner T2 Low: CPU T2 Gyrostab T2 200mm Plates T2 Small Armor Rep T2 (signature radius 22) so close to the setup of win yet equally so very very far. Drop the shield booster and put a web there, and that setup should be really good. Originally by: Tholarim And i don't mind being dispised.
Skyblue	Posted - 2006.01.12 17:18:00 - [116] Edited by: Skyblue on 12/01/2006 17:18:01 400mm plated claw still owns
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:43:00 - [117] Any new stuff for the Claw? :D yes yes its a shameless bump..... puts on gravediggers hat yup we're ressurecting 'er!!!
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:54:00 - [118] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 27/01/2006 23:54:31 Nope. heh. --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2006.01.29 00:25:00 - [119] I dont understand, everything has changed since i went away. I used to use 125mm II's and atm im trying to fit them but its pretty limited. Atm im using : 3x 125 II's No launcher (urgh) MWD II webber 400mm named N-type kinetic power relay power diag I need some help, anyone wish to assist? Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Montero	Posted - 2006.01.29 00:27:00 - [120] 125mm autos or rails? also if you have grid issues ditch the pdu for an mapc. also, if theyre autos then ditch the stnd launcher for either a nos or a rocket. if you are using the rails, then stopp fitting rails to the claw.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2006.01.29 00:40:00 - [121] no, gatling auto cannons. I kind of need the power diag for cap regen. its either MAPC with passive hard and missile launcher, or what i have. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Montero	Posted - 2006.01.29 00:45:00 - [122] you will really struggle to get a good 400mm plate fit with no mapc. and with the mapc you can up to 150mm autos, which are a big improvemtn dps wise over the 125mms. you need pretty much max fitting skills to get a good claw setup though, even with an mapc.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.01.29 02:53:00 - [123] Originally by: Montero and with the mapc you can up to 150mm autos, which are a big improvemtn dps wise over the 125mms. Not really. With my skills; dps with 3 125 2's+Malk RL; 67.198 dps with 3 150 2's+Malk RL; 71.01 according to quickfit. p - l - u - r My first vid
Montero	Posted - 2006.01.29 03:32:00 - [124] i get about 95 from 3 150 t2s i think, around 130 - 135 with a gyro 2.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.01.29 03:49:00 - [125] Originally by: Montero i get about 95 from 3 150 t2s i think, around 130 - 135 with a gyro 2. !? Is that with perfect skills, implants and/or hail ammo? p - l - u - r My first vid
Montero	Posted - 2006.01.29 03:53:00 - [126] not quite perfect skills, cheap implants and emp ammo. i'd run the maths but my router is ****** so i cant get in game.
Drofier Ilmatti	Posted - 2006.01.29 07:41:00 - [127] IIRC rifter gets 100 DPS on 3 guns with 1 gyro and EMP ammo. So, claw getting that without gyro, and 130 with gyro is expected. Can't wait til I can fly it
Tjarish Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.09 23:08:00 - [128] how the f do you get a 22.247damage?! Originally by:* Uuve Savisaalo high: 280mm II x 3, 1x Dread Gurrista standard. med: Catalyzed Cold Gas, Domination web low: Domination Gyro x2, Co-proc II, micro 'vigor' core augment. 22.247x Damage mod. Scored a volley on a taranis that read: 1)680 (wreck) 2) 240.5 (excellent) 3) 260 (excellent) (all in an instant) then the pirranha connects with the hull... ..pop... it may seem like a ludicrous investment of equipment, but the whole point is that the individual little bonuses amount into one final salvo of death that likely caused the unfortunate taranis pilot to go 'WHAT!?' Not counting the wreck, this sort of a machine can destroy anything lighter than an assault frigate in two volleys (around 5 seconds rof..) at the cost of heinously-expensive equipment, maxed skills and some second-generation gunslinger line implants ______________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of imself without that law is both.
Lady Absenthe	Posted - 2007.11.07 01:13:00 - [129] I'm looking for the right set up. Seems that things have changed a bit. I currently rock: High: 3x150 T2; 1 Rocket Launcher Mid: AB or MWD; Ward Disruptor Low: Gyro, S Armor Repair, Adaptive Nano Any thoughts? I'm totally lost on the lows.
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 06:24:00 - [130] I was using something like: 3x 150mm t2, arb rocket 1x MWD t2, 1x Warp Scram 7.5km (Faint Warp something or other) 1x SMAR t2, 1x 200mm RT, 1x DCU t2, 1x CPR Well, thats what it would look like post EANM nerf. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Wolfe Dakata Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:48:00 - [131] In The Highs 200mm Autocannon II x3 Standard Missile launcher II x1 In The Mids Warp Disrupter II (24k optimal range) 1MN Microwarpdrive II In The Lows Nanofiber Internal Structure II x1 Overdrive Injection System II x3 I Get 7419m/s Without Speed Rigs

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