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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:03:00 -
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Our illustrious EVE TV team has a wonderful surprise for those of you who are unable to attend Fanfest this year. What is it? Read CCP Loxy's blog and find out!
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:07:00 -
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Time to be streaking on the stage then!
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:12:00 -
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I will personally blame you if that happens, Chribs :)
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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ProContractor
Caldari
Viagra Lovers
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:29:00 -
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Stop this ccp
why 1 plex for this ?
You have turned into money making *cencored*
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Da Trader
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:33:00 -
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Great news
ibc
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NoxiousPluK
Gallente
Feng Shui Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: NoxiousPluK on 10/03/2011 17:36:19
@ProContractor: stop whining, SD is free, HD is expensive to host, also it gets you an awesome t-shirt for your character ingame :D
@blog: awesome :D i'm to cheap to get there, so i will watch the HD stream :-)
@Chribba: i dare you to do it for a plex :D
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Jupix
Minmatar
MuroBBS United
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:37:00 -
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Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..
Will there be recorded HD vids of the panels afterwards? Might pay 99 eurocents a piece on iTunes for those...
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Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Chribba
Time to be streaking on the stage then!
Are there tattoos we don't know about, then? 
Chair, CSM5
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biggie fluffy
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Posted - 2011.03.10 17:50:00 -
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BOO!!!
-100 point to CCP for CHARGING FOR THE HD STREAM! No doubt they are planning this for the alliance tournament too.
You fan fast is effectively a giant marketing campaign. DO NOT CHARGE US MONEY TO WATCH YOUR ADVERTISEMENTS.
It seems as of late (1.5 years +/-) the marketing department has been running ccp. - Anyone else feel that way?
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Jack bubu
Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jack bubu on 10/03/2011 18:00:45
Originally by: biggie fluffy
BOO!!!
-100 point to CCP for CHARGING FOR THE HD STREAM! No doubt they are planning this for the alliance tournament too.
You fan fast is effectively a giant marketing campaign. DO NOT CHARGE US MONEY TO WATCH YOUR ADVERTISEMENTS.
It seems as of late (1.5 years +/-) the marketing department has been running ccp. - Anyone else feel that way?
bohoo?
watch it in SD then.
Still better then waiting ages for recordings like last fanfest.
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Silen Boon
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:00:00 -
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Doesn't CCP want the world to see Eve Online and it's fans in glorious HD?
I'll be in the cheap seats watching in SD 
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VaMei
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: NoxiousPluK
@ProContractor: stop whining, SD is free, HD is expensive to host, also it gets you an awesome t-shirt for your character ingame :D
Agreed. If CCP wants their microtransactions, this is one I can get on board with.
When you consider that previously we had to wait for the highlight reel on Youtube if we couldn't be there in person, I'd pay the 1 plex to see Sreegs' presentation in SD; HD is icing on the cake.
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NoxiousPluK
Gallente
Feng Shui Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: VaMei
Originally by: NoxiousPluK
@ProContractor: stop whining, SD is free, HD is expensive to host, also it gets you an awesome t-shirt for your character ingame :D
Agreed. If CCP wants their microtransactions, this is one I can get on board with.
When you consider that previously we had to wait for the highlight reel on Youtube if we couldn't be there in person, I'd pay the 1 plex to see Sreegs' presentation in SD; HD is icing on the cake.
Yep, also a BlizzCon 'Virtual Ticket' costs almost the double, $40.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:25:00 -
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Yay, the first of many "EXCLUSIVE INGAME T-SHIRT FOR PLEX" arrives.
What a sickening insightful look to what the future holds for us.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:25:00 -
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Yay for EVE TV, great that we will have some live stream!
But ... do you really think it is such a good idea to let the most loyal customers (the others wouldn't want to watch fanfest vids anyway) pay for the stream? Especially that most probably someone will post the hd vids on the net sooner or later anyway.
So what do you gain? A few hundred bucks from additinonally sold PLEX.
But what do you lose? Lots of goodwill credit from the players and some reputation.
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:26:00 -
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I think the price is all right. Especially given there is a free option. |
Dracnys
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:29:00 -
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My internet connection isn't good enough for HD streams anyway so I'll stick with the SD version. However I think charging for better quality is a step in the wrong direction from CCP. New space nebula in systems? Just one PLEX and you have it. Tattoos for your Brutor character? Another PLEX. Don't cry it's just vanity items that aren't of real use anyway, pay or accept that you're a second class customer.
Ok this is a bit harsh picture of the future, but charging for graphics is the first step.
However I'm looking forward to enjoying fanfest even though I can't attend in person!
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Parah Salin McCain
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:30:00 -
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Oh please stop the whingers. If you don't want to pay for HD, don't. You can still watch the entire thing for free. Man you people will cry about anything.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:32:00 -
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Good to hear that HD stream will be available. I watched AT8 in HD stream and it was perfect quality for me so i think its worth 1 plex. Sure the rest of whiners can watch SD stream and share the lags with other freebee lovers.
I am carebear with lots of isk and i want my quaffe shirt 
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:34:00 -
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fine I wont 
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Aerieth
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:44:00 -
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Wow so much griping! I would be extremely ****ed if there wasn't a free option but there is, so the way I see it there is no excuse.
Broadcasting HD live is expensive! So having to pay for HD when there is a free SD option is not underhanded or evil or malicious in any way.
Also everyone saying "Wah, CCP is trying to make more money!" ... YES THEY ARE, THEY ARE A BUSINESS! They were nice enough to throw a free exclusive in-game item for the purchase of the HD stream. You aren't paying for the shirt, you are paying for the stream with extra incentive. Thank you CCP for being a company that knows how to not go belly up so I can keep flying my internet spaceships. I will be purchasing my HD stream.
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Sathynos
Caldari
BSX Industries
Inver Brass
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:55:00 -
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I'm perfectly willing to pay for HD, just as I paid for blizzcon on-line access. Two questions though:
1. Will HD stream keep up with the demand? If I pay I don't really want to experience connection losses, lags and stuff. On my side I can handle the up/dl - 60 Mbits. Are you well prepared to deliver the quality?
2. Will there be access to the content for some time after the event? If I miss it as it happens can I watch it later?
Cheers!
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Shandir
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:02:00 -
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I agree, SD for free, HD paid is a model I can accept. Of course I'd prefer it if we got the same quality and content in HD for free, but I don't really think that this price will be much too ask for.
Hold on - tattoos are on Sisi? Downloading NOW.
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DmitryEKT
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:03:00 -
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Is "HD" going to be 720p or full proper 1080p?
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sathynos
1. Will HD stream keep up with the demand? If I pay I don't really want to experience connection losses, lags and stuff. On my side I can handle the up/dl - 60 Mbits. Are you well prepared to deliver the quality?
Lag?? There's never lag. What do you think this is, Eve Onli---
Oh, wait....
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Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:10:00 -
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If I pay the fee for HD, will I be able to replay in stream in its entirety?
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Niraia
Zaratha Zarati
Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:10:00 -
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PLEX for everything \o/ What an awesome idea.
If I don't submit to your microtransaction ****, can I download these in HD format from you anyway? Will recordings be hosted at all?
You didn't mention this kindof important stuff for people with embarassingly terrible office connections, where one HD stream will cause employees from around 10 companies going door to door with golf clubs.
Also, can I give you 100m or something for the t-shirt? It does seem cute, and I think it's pretty bad to offer things like this as an exclusive item that you can only obtain by paying for other stuff. This insidious kind of promotion tends to make me want to stop giving the promoters my credits.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shandir
Hold on - tattoos are on Sisi? Downloading NOW.
Yes.
And scars, and piercings, and slick sunglasses. Awesome and free
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Akrasjel Lanate
Gallente
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:09:00 -
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I will watch the Fanfest 2011 thrue EVE TV SD - IF no human element will be disrupting me.
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Leiture
Amarr
Liliis tenaci vimine jungor
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:15:00 -
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1 plex for hd stream : 20 Ç
Are you kidding ?
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:18:00 -
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Ha, I was going to pay money for the HD stream, but a PLEX? Even better!
350m ISK is peanuts.
Now, if I like the direction you are taking the game with using PLEX for micro-transactions? Maybe not so much, but apparently you will do it anyway. Maybe send Smedley over at SOE a mail about his experiences with alienating the current player base in the vain attempt of attracting a new one.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Leiture
1 plex for hd stream : 20 Ç
Are you kidding ?
Watch it in SD for free.
Or, alternatively, make 350m (easily) and virtual-buy a PLEX.
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godly gringo
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: godly gringo on 10/03/2011 20:59:45
dear ccp i have a few questions i would like to ask about fanfast
1 when is the fanfast 2011 schedule going to be made public
2 can we watch the stream on reply
3 why are you not showing Thursday of fanfast on the stream
thanks for your time
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: godly gringo
can we watch the stream on reply
Fanfest presentations have been posted to YouTube in HD for the past 3 years. Do you really expect that to change?
Thar be Pirates
You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe
Your Wallet has been emptied!
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Leiture
Amarr
Liliis tenaci vimine jungor
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:10:00 -
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You miss the point.
Buying Plex on eveomline.com cost 17.50 Ç per PLEX (2 for 35 Ç).
Basic subtraction: Quafe Tee-shirt cost 2.50 Ç . That is rather expensive for one item.
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jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:24:00 -
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i`ll pay to watch it ....ahhh i forgot ...im already going 
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Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:38:00 -
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Cheaper than actually going to the fanfest... :)
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:48:00 -
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While I am grateful the SD stream is free, and I do understand that people paying for the HD steam allows the SD stream to be free...
However, seeing the very first "YOUR VERY OWN EXCLUSIVE VANITY ITEM FOR PLEX" makes me disgusted. Its the very first thing you see when you open the dev blog section, instead of any of the other really awesome fanfest pictures they could have put up.
We all knew it was coming, but tiny bit of me hoped they wouldn't do it
Its only the beginning now, I dread to see what bull**** Incarna will require you to pay PLEXes for.
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offcopy
Caldari
OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
While I am grateful the SD stream is free, and I do understand that people paying for the HD steam allows the SD stream to be free...
However, seeing the very first "YOUR VERY OWN EXCLUSIVE VANITY ITEM FOR PLEX" makes me disgusted. Its the very first thing you see when you open the dev blog section, instead of any of the other really awesome fanfest pictures they could have put up.
We all knew it was coming, but tiny bit of me hoped they wouldn't do it
Its only the beginning now, I dread to see what bull**** Incarna will require you to pay PLEXes for.
hold on it required that you pay for this is the sd not free, tbh the plex will help with the cost of the broadcast I for one will pay the 300-350m isk and i'll also look great with the t-shirt
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Blind Man
Caldari
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:08:00 -
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ITT: people complaining that they don't have 350m isk.
Just be glad for the forseeable future we have the option of paying with plex for stuff like this.
Oh, and also the Blizzcon live stream costs 40$ - and there is no free option.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 10/03/2011 22:30:30
Originally by: Blind Man
ITT: people complaining that they don't have 350m isk.
Just be glad for the forseeable future we have the option of paying with plex for stuff like this.
Oh, and also the Blizzcon live stream costs 40$ - and there is no free option.
Shouldn't we be saving our 350 million ISK so we can buy some Incarna content?
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Leiture
Basic subtraction: Quafe Tee-shirt cost 2.50 Ç . That is rather expensive for one item.
One pack of cigarettes/pint of beer? Oh, please
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.03.10 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Chribba
Time to be streaking on the stage then!
Are there tattoos we don't know about, then?
WTB streaking Chribba with never-before-seen tattoos!
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Syri Taneka
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2011.03.10 23:00:00 -
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What is wrong with you whiners? ~$17.50 for 18+ hours of streamed, DVD quality video is right on par with the same viewing time in rentals, and significantly cheaper than Fanfest itself. I'd spring for it if I weren't going to be unavailable (due to my full time job) for a little over 12 hours Friday. I'll probably catch some of the Saturday SD though.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2011.03.10 23:05:00 -
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I will definitively pay for the HD-stream, i think support for this kind of thing is important.
BUT...you better make sure its up and running. Once you charge for something, you have to deliver.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2011.03.10 23:09:00 -
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Well **** it...guess that's it.
You ruined my favourite game. I waited, and I told myself it would never happen. but it did. I hope you are proud you bunch of greedy inbred fat****s...
so long
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Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2011.03.11 00:09:00 -
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I'm waiting the f2p version of eve now. With item mall.
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2011.03.11 00:30:00 -
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OMG what whineres, waaaaahhhhhh the HD stream of 18+ hours is costly, waaahhhhhh, dear god now had they made it NON-ISK then that might be an issue but seriously u can pay with it with f*cking ingame currancy seems pretty fare to me.
Now what i'd like to know and what will make me pay for it right now if they can verify those that buy in will get download or streamable after-live playback in HD, Last year it was a pain after work to get information/videos of what was talked about at the main show and at the table conferences, if those will be downloadable in HD hell i'll fork out 400m right now
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BearUkraine
Gallente
Light Style
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Posted - 2011.03.11 00:41:00 -
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I hope it will not be a habit to take money for the best. HD + t-shirt as bonus? - ok, thats great and pleasant. Anything else like this on a regular basis? - ****
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.11 01:08:00 -
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Hilmar doesn't run CCP any more it's the marketing department :(
View The Eve Industrial Organiser Site
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.11 01:11:00 -
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Paying for the tournament in HD is one thing (still not worth paying for, but almost), but paying that much for a couple of days of fanfest? All that is is pure greed. I can't imagine too many people buying the HD stream.
I wonder what we'll have to pay for next...
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.03.11 02:25:00 -
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Yeh, I will get behind this one.
Did Pandora's Box just open?
There better be some live vids from the pub crawls!, CCP StevieSG driving the porcelain bus with CCP Fallout holding her hair back! Priceless!
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:16:00 -
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And the micro transactions begin........
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Trai Kanossi
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:28:00 -
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Will the stream feature all the PvP tournaments and such? Because that's something i'm interested in seeing 
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2011.03.11 03:37:00 -
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Will the video's be available to download separately?
I'm going to fan fest, but fully expect to miss something, as I assume stuff will be going on concurrently.
So, when back in my hotel room(which better have wifi[shakes fist]) will I be able to watch the video's of the events I couldn't get to due to scheduling conflicts?
Or at the very least, view on youtube(or somewhere) when I get back to Canada?
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Shoo Dae
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:09:00 -
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Unless I missed it somewhere, it doesn't sound like the video will be cached or downloadable after the fest. I'd pay for the HD but there is no way I can watch it while it is live... I have to work during most of it. I'd want to watch it at my leisure for a few days afterwards. In order for me to buy into this, I'd need to see some kind of declaration from Level 3 or CCP that the videos will be available afterwards at the fanfest website or somesuch. (say... in 1 hour increments or sorted by presentation theme)
Watching it live is just not workable.
The T-shirt is cute, but not worth it.
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Indecision is a terrible thing.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:35:00 -
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Where will we find the free low-fi feed?
Will we have to rely on one of your customers to reboardcast for you?
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Cindy Marco
Minmatar
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2011.03.11 04:57:00 -
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I'm a little uncomfortable with the shirt being included "as a gift." I had no problem paying for a higher quality stream, I wish I could go to fanfest and I guess HD is as close as I can get this year.
But in game items for real life cash. Ehh, plex is bad enough, but I can accept it. Micro-transaction games suck. Its a bad path to start down, and I would hate to leave Eve because they want to squeeze us all for a little more.
ôLife is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.ö - Bill Hicks |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Where will we find the free low-fi feed?
Will we have to rely on one of your customers to reboardcast for you?
As per the dev blog, the SD feed will be available on the Fanfest website.
Spitfire
Community Representative
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 11/03/2011 08:15:29
Incredible idea.
All the bots in EVE are making so much money, you definitely have to do something to reduce the amount of ISK floating through the system.
I applaud you for this decisiveness and hope you will see this as a precedence to find many more ways to take ISK out of the game in exchange for RL services that weren't capable of affecting the in-game economy before.
Also: Quote:
a near equivallant price
Your spelling mistake.
I found it.
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Halphas
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:28:00 -
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I hope on the next Fanfest we'll be able to buy a flying mount 
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.11 08:48:00 -
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Or at least a personal stripper, if you dont like animals.
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Mrs Snowman
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Posted - 2011.03.11 09:18:00 -
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Will you also be uploading videos onto Youtube?
Only im in the middle of moving homes and have no internet connection at all :(
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Kalum Ra
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Posted - 2011.03.11 09:50:00 -
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It's a shame that u charge 20 bucks for viewing the HD Fanfest-Stream!
If you want to give player the chance of requiering cash-shop items before Incarana is released, do not bind it to a Stream-Feed!
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Cor'len
The Silence of Thunder
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Posted - 2011.03.11 09:55:00 -
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Since I rarely have time to watch live stuff, the utility of this is somewhat questionable.
However, if you would sweeten the deal with QUALITY downloadable copies of everything when Fanfest is over (or in the middle, or whatever - just not three months later), I'd be happy to shell over even a couple PLEXes for that. I'm not going to bother setting up a stream-ripping rig just for this. Yes, a stream dump will be enough if it doesn't have dropped frames.
Yes, I know you're going to upload it to youtube later on. Youtube, well, kinda sucks.
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CCP Loxy
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Posted - 2011.03.11 11:26:00 -
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Hey everyone, obviously there are a lot of questions floating around which IÆm more than happy to answer. First IÆd just like to say that IÆve been involved with EVE Tv for many years now and the team that makes it happen and I still consider this a show "by the players for the players".
Fanfest differs significantly from the Alliance Tournament, the equipment needs and man power are on a completely different scale and requires a much larger budget to pull off. In previous years weÆve mostly recorded Fanfest and not gone live at all, in 2009 for the first time in a few years we went live for a few hours on the Saturday afternoon.
This year we really wanted to go all the way and bring you an awesome broadcast. WeÆve invested in more equipment (which will also benefit the Alliance Tournament) and hired a huge professional team for the event. Simply put this costs money to do and the sale of the HD stream is primarily to make this possible.
As someone has mentioned in this thread already, a certain company that rhymes with Lizzard charges $40 for the stream of their convention. While if you use a PLEX you can view our stream for purely in-game currency.
We intend to bring you an awesome show and we really hope you enjoy it if itÆs in SD or HD. Either way itÆs you the viewers that make EVE TV what it is and shows CCP how much value it has to the community, so your support is very important to us.
Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?
I think the price is fair in my opinion. The 20 Euros is purposely a little higher than the cost of a PLEX so if youÆre an active subscriber I would recommend going the PLEX route, and while the free stream will be fine to watch and listen to for a while if you intend to settle in for a marathon session on the Saturday I would definitely recommend the HD stream.
I also want to point out here that people are paying thousands on flights, hotels and tickets to come to Fanfest in person, so this is a small cost with that in mind to get a part of the Fanfest experience.
Originally by: Jupix
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..
All I can say is weÆre aiming for this to have a very high production standard. WeÆll have a dedicated team of around 15 people working on EVE TV to make this as good as possible.
Anyone who watched the last Alliance Tournament in HD that is essentially the quality of the stream youÆll be getting. Our last feed went very well and we hope to improve on that even further. That said we cannot guarantee the quality of the internet during the event or your own connection.
Originally by: Jupix
Will there be recorded HD vids of the panels afterwards? Might pay 99 eurocents a piece on iTunes for those...
All the presentations will be available on our YouTube channel within a week of Fanfest in HD, this includes all the presentations that didnÆt make it into the live show.
Originally by: godly gringo
why are you not showing Thursday of fanfast on the stream
The Thursday is traditionally the meet and greet day of Fanfest so the live show content would be a bit light. WeÆll be recording everything on all days and a few select presentations from Thursday will be broadcast on the Friday and Saturday.
Originally by: Mrs Snowman
Will you also be uploading videos onto Youtube?
Only im in the middle of moving homes and have no internet connection at all :(
All the presentations will be on YouTube within a week of Fanfest. As others have asked this we currently have no plans to offer direct downloads of the presentations.
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip
It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!
If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Don't go that path.
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C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.11 11:37:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed.
This thread is intended for the discussion of CCP Loxy's dev blog; please keep it on topic.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip
It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!
If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Don't go that path.
We have no plans to do any such thing.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip
It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!
If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Don't go that path.
We have no plans to do any such thing.
\:D/ xx
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.11 12:14:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 11/03/2011 12:14:29
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip
It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!
If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Don't go that path.
Don't worry, a micro transaction will show up in some form for the AT. It may not be paying for HD but they will sneak one in there.
Edit: PLEX for BEHIND THE SCENES CONTENT!
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[72]
Edited by: Ban Doga on 11/03/2011 12:25:17
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip
It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!
If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Don't go that path.
We have no plans to do any such thing.
I think I remember there were no plans do have any microtransactions for anything.
That was of course before someone developed such a plan...
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Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2011.03.11 12:27:00 -
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watching the SD-stream: Free
watching the HD-stream: 1 plex
watching Chribba streaking the podium and mooning the public: priceless 
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Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2011.03.11 12:56:00 -
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Loxy:
1. For 20Ç stream of content that's going to be free afterwards, it needs to be MUCH BETTER THAN AT HD broadcast.
I have 20mb/s connection and many people have much better pipes at their homes. We really expect Blu-Ray quality streaming here. A 'Youtube-level' 2mbit stream with poor encoding (h264 basic profile, wtf?!) will NOT cut it. For 20Ç, I expect epicness.
You will need separate ULTRA-HD option. I'm thinking 1920p, with least 10-15mb/s bandwidth on decent codec. It will create a lot of extra publicity and since you will have stanrard HD stream as well, it doesn't matter if only part of populace will be able to see it.
2. Youtube HD sucks for content with text, presentations, etc (it's only 2mbit, so there will be horrible blocking artifacts). Waiting a whole week to see content you paid for sucks EVEN MORE. Please provide high quality downloads for people who paid immediately after broadcast. It's not hard. It can be done by one person and you have 15 guys on project. Having to wait a whole week is just offending.
3. Lastly, provide option to buy the stream without stupid ingame shirt. I find idea of paid hi quality streaming to be great, but I will not pay for it if it will be used to validate some dev dumb claims about vanity item micro transactions. If you want to gauge true interest in vanity items, the only fair way is to provide two options - with and without t-shirts. The other one can be cheaper, or just give small amount of money to charity.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 13:17:00 -
[75]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
As someone has mentioned in this thread already, a certain company that rhymes with Lizzard charges $40 for the stream of their convention. While if you use a PLEX you can view our stream for purely in-game currency.
this is a poor excuse, just because another company charges a (higher) fee on a convention-stream for a (crappy) game, you don't have to do the same.
Originally by: CCP Loxy
We intend to bring you an awesome show and we really hope you enjoy it if itÆs in SD or HD. Either way itÆs you the viewers that make EVE TV what it is and shows CCP how much value it has to the community, so your support is very important to us.
Define value please. Is it the value of money or the value of valuable information? ;)
And if you want to know, how we (the community) like the information about fanfest and AT (you might go to http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES?blend=1&ob=5 and just check the "vieved xxxx times" info), for this you don't need to charge any Money or similar.
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?
I think the price is fair in my opinion. The 20 Euros is purposely a little higher than the cost of a PLEX so if youÆre an active subscriber I would recommend going the PLEX route, and while the free stream will be fine to watch and listen to for a while if you intend to settle in for a marathon session on the Saturday I would definitely recommend the HD stream.
I also want to point out here that people are paying thousands on flights, hotels and tickets to come to Fanfest in person, so this is a small cost with that in mind to get a part of the Fanfest experience.
yes and there are people how make millions of dollars a year. (if you would have to pay to view a connvention from home, would you consider to go to fanfest instead? or migth it bring more people to fanfest in person if the stream would be for free?)
I doubt that the stream (sd or hd) will be able to bring the feeling of fanfest to our homes (isn't it a "small" difference to attend to a rockconcert, beeing in the crouwd poging or sitting at home an watching it on TV?)
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Jupix
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..
All I can say is weÆre aiming for this to have a very high production standard. WeÆll have a dedicated team of around 15 people working on EVE TV to make this as good as possible.
Anyone who watched the last Alliance Tournament in HD that is essentially the quality of the stream youÆll be getting. Our last feed went very well and we hope to improve on that even further. That said we cannot guarantee the quality of the internet during the event or your own connection.
Heard this one not long ago, while the Wordchampionship in Germany, the hd-stream worked fine till the game startet ;)
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Posted - 2011.03.11 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kalum Ra
Originally by: CCP Loxy
As someone has mentioned in this thread already, a certain company that rhymes with Lizzard charges $40 for the stream of their convention. While if you use a PLEX you can view our stream for purely in-game currency.
this is a poor excuse, just because another company charges a (higher) fee on a convention-stream for a (crappy) game, you don't have to do the same.
It's an example of having to charge for such a service, this is not a cheap thing to do and if we want to do it we have to charge for it. I hope you can see the differences in price show we're not in this to make money.
Originally by: Kalum Ra
Originally by: CCP Loxy
We intend to bring you an awesome show and we really hope you enjoy it if itÆs in SD or HD. Either way itÆs you the viewers that make EVE TV what it is and shows CCP how much value it has to the community, so your support is very important to us.
Define value please. Is it the value of money or the value of valuable information? ;)
And if you want to know, how we (the community) like the information about fanfest and AT (you might go to http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES?blend=1&ob=5 and just check the "vieved xxxx times" info), for this you don't need to charge any Money or similar.
It's the viewer numbers and interaction that let us go to management and say lets do x and players will love it. This Fanfest we're trying to up the production level and bring you the event live, if there isn't interest in it then we might not be able to do it next year.
Originally by: Kalum Ra
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?
I think the price is fair in my opinion. The 20 Euros is purposely a little higher than the cost of a PLEX so if youÆre an active subscriber I would recommend going the PLEX route, and while the free stream will be fine to watch and listen to for a while if you intend to settle in for a marathon session on the Saturday I would definitely recommend the HD stream.
I also want to point out here that people are paying thousands on flights, hotels and tickets to come to Fanfest in person, so this is a small cost with that in mind to get a part of the Fanfest experience.
yes and there are people how make millions of dollars a year. (if you would have to pay to view a connvention from home, would you consider to go to fanfest instead? or migth it bring more people to fanfest in person if the stream would be for free?)
I doubt that the stream (sd or hd) will be able to bring the feeling of fanfest to our homes (isn't it a "small" difference to attend to a rockconcert, beeing in the crouwd poging or sitting at home an watching it on TV?)
I'm not exactly sure what the question here is but again to bring you this service we have to charge for it. The other option is we don't do a live show at all and we put the footage on YouTube later which we're doing anyway.
So either way it's the same thing, if you can't make it to Fanfest but you do want to watch the stream then there is now an option for you. If your happy with watching the recordings on YouTube then we'll have those up as soon as we can after the event.
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Jupix
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..
All I can say is weÆre aiming for this .... {trimming this because I'm out of characters for this post}
Heard this one not long ago, while the Wordchampionship in Germany, the hd-stream worked fine till the game startet ;)
We expect much lower viewer numbers of this in HD compared to the last tournament so we're very confident on our side. However as I've said the overall Internet is out of our control but we'll be doing our best to support viewers if any issues arise.
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Motriek
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shoo Dae
Unless I missed it somewhere, it doesn't sound like the video will be cached or downloadable after the fest. I'd pay for the HD but there is no way I can watch it while it is live... I have to work during most of it. I'd want to watch it at my leisure for a few days afterwards. In order for me to buy into this, I'd need to see some kind of declaration from Level 3 or CCP that the videos will be available afterwards at the fanfest website or somesuch. (say... in 1 hour increments or sorted by presentation theme)
Watching it live is just not workable.
The T-shirt is cute, but not worth it.
This. Would pay, can't watch live. Want it in HD.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:12:00 -
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Making this available for PLEX is a great idea. I will consider buying it once I figure out if I will have the time to actually watch the stream as it happens.
That's my biggest issue with a live broadcast - I can't decide myself when to watch it, and I have a busy RL life going on. But then I guess there's youtube...
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DmitryEKT
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:27:00 -
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Loxy, you've answered many questions but ignored perhaps the most important of all:
Is "HD" going to be 720p or 1080p?
This will be the deciding factor for me as to whether to buy in or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: DmitryEKT
Loxy, you've answered many questions but ignored perhaps the most important of all:
Is "HD" going to be 720p or 1080p?
This will be the deciding factor for me as to whether to buy in or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.
It's going to be 720p, we're actually pretty close to 1080p but we still have a few bottlenecks in the pipeline to work out first so we're not going that far this year.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aerieth
Wow so much griping! I would be extremely ****ed if there wasn't a free option but there is, so the way I see it there is no excuse.
Broadcasting HD live is expensive! So having to pay for HD when there is a free SD option is not underhanded or evil or malicious in any way.
Also everyone saying "Wah, CCP is trying to make more money!" ... YES THEY ARE, THEY ARE A BUSINESS! They were nice enough to throw a free exclusive in-game item for the purchase of the HD stream. You aren't paying for the shirt, you are paying for the stream with extra incentive. Thank you CCP for being a company that knows how to not go belly up so I can keep flying my internet spaceships. I will be purchasing my HD stream.
This said it all allready, I think we can all stop talking now and buy our HD acces, or not.
EPITOTH GUARD
A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmatiko on 11/03/2011 15:16:29
Paying for HD will cut-off from the stream huge part of whiners with bad connection so they will not overload the bandwidth for the others. I remember complains from the last AT8 from this people: "I have 512kb mobile 3G internet but my HD stream is totally bad!!! I blame CCP for this!" Oh really, guys, "**** or get off the pot".
Now everyone will think twice before paying money and connecting to HD stream.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:27:00 -
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I still think 20 bucks is insane for an ephemeral product like a live broadcast. If you have to ask for that much to make it feasible, you went overboard with the scale of it. Ofc you don't know yet how popular your hd pay tv will actually be, but that's again a reason to start smaller.
Will the HD files at least be available for free after the event?
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:33:00 -
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Hi Loxy,
If I purchase the HD Feed do I have to watch it 'live' or will it have 'PVR' style features where I can watch and pause at my own time scales?
Happy to pay for the HD as I can't be there..but can't spend the day watching my PC for the same reason....eg kids :-)
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: DmitryEKT
Is "HD" going to be 720p or 1080p?
This will be the deciding factor for me as to whether to buy in or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.
Consider that even pro 1080p cameras have an effective detail resolve way below 1000 lines. So downrezing the 1080p output in the postpro chain is fine. Unless, of course, the tv staff will be running around with digital cinema cameras like Red and Alexa, which is highly unlikely...
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:07:00 -
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I want to pay with a plex, though my account management says i don't have any... Even though i really have 2 sitting in my hangar at the moment. What gives?
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Commissar Kate
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:09:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Reiisha
I want to pay with a plex, though my account management says i don't have any... Even though i really have 2 sitting in my hangar at the moment. What gives?
You have to reverse redeem them.
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:10:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..
Will there be recorded HD vids of the panels afterwards? Might pay 99 eurocents a piece on iTunes for those...
Blizzard peons paid 40 for it ;p
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:25:00 -
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Awesome.
As always, I'm sure the internal video production team shall be working their guts out to deliver such a huge event. The fact that this year it shall be live is a massive undertaking and can only imagine the lengths and breadths of dedication this will require in bringing it all together.
I wish you all the best of luck and look forward to tuning in.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cryten Jones
Hi Loxy,
If I purchase the HD Feed do I have to watch it 'live' or will it have 'PVR' style features where I can watch and pause at my own time scales?
Happy to pay for the HD as I can't be there..but can't spend the day watching my PC for the same reason....eg kids :-)
-CJ
We're looking into adding that feature but I can't say for sure now. We are also considering replaying the whole feed at the end of the day if that is of interested to people?
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Minmatar
Surface Detail
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:44:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Xavier Isaacson on 11/03/2011 16:44:06
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 11/03/2011 12:14:29
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip
It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!
If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Don't go that path.
Don't worry, a micro transaction will show up in some form for the AT. It may not be paying for HD but they will sneak one in there.
Edit: PLEX for BEHIND THE SCENES CONTENT!
Shut up and go the hell away you whining miserable little bastard
Originally by: Verone
BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.03.11 17:05:00 -
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That would be nice for those on the other side of the world as well.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 18:19:00 -
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it is really interesting seeing a few people that are involved in the production industry comment (like myself).
There is a lot of "fake HD" out there right now. As mentioned, I dought that they are running around with RED cameras :)
20$ is way to much. Ask your self if you are doing this for profit, or as a marketing expense?
Plex is a good idea but only for the "old/rich" players.
Comparisons to blizzard are useless. When you have there user base, then come and back and chat, until then realize they are 100 times bigger and THE gold standard in the industry. Carefull what you wish for, I am pretty sure eve would "insta pop" if they tried logging in that user data base.
End of the day- this is a money grab. Sure it costs a lot for "productions", but netflix gives me 24/7 HD content all month for 8$
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Razaelle Tannhauser
Institut de New Eden
N0.Limit
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Posted - 2011.03.11 18:32:00 -
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Shame on you CCP !
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.03.11 19:09:00 -
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Ok, lets say I pay for the stream. Can I pick when I want to watch it after the event or is this a one shot deal?
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Speec
Bad Kitty Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 19:23:00 -
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Lets put things into perspective here;
Last week I was at CeBit as part of a team of around 50 people who were streaming HD content for around six hours a day for five days straight. This involved a 100ft wide stage, a jib (camera crane) and more content then you can wag a stick at.
The SD stream was free like always, the HD stream for the entire event? 6 Euro's, with a 3 Euro special for the final day.
Now before you start screaming bloody murder, I would like to point out that the reason of these kind of low costs is because we were backed by globally established companies like Intel, Razer and Deutsche Post. The cost for the HD stream would have been significantly higher if those companies weren't there to back the event. Hardware wise we're talking about a 300k investment plus bandwith plus event costs.
CCP apparently feels that the value of their hd content is worth the plex, and to be honest I personally doubt that is the case. However the fact that they make the HD content available for free in the aftermath balances it perfectly.
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
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Posted - 2011.03.11 19:42:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Yay, the first of many "EXCLUSIVE INGAME T-SHIRT FOR PLEX" arrives.
What a sickening insightful look to what the future holds for us.
To be quite honest. It's the first step down a slippery slope.
And let's not forget the bundling - people who buy the stream for the HD content can be counted as customers who support vanity microtransactions, and vice versa.
:metrics:
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.11 20:06:00 -
[98]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Cryten Jones
Hi Loxy,
If I purchase the HD Feed do I have to watch it 'live' or will it have 'PVR' style features where I can watch and pause at my own time scales?
Happy to pay for the HD as I can't be there..but can't spend the day watching my PC for the same reason....eg kids :-)
-CJ
We're looking into adding that feature but I can't say for sure now. We are also considering replaying the whole feed at the end of the day if that is of interested to people?
Ok, so for what it's worth I am personally happy to sped the cash, but being a 'mature' gamer I am going to want to watch the content when it fits with life so you can x me up if you add the feature.
The re-run after again is not much use, I would want separate videos that I can start and stop at will. Not that interested in watching the party and the interviews if I can't watch the steam but would want the lectures and break outs.
Finally, I really hope that for us paying watchers the we get a direct view of any videos or demos and not a camera 40 feet back!
Thanks
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.03.11 20:22:00 -
[99]
Is anyone else having an issue buying this stream with a PLEX?
I go to the page and choose PLEX as my payment option but the web site tells me I have 0 PLEX
This ofc is a problem because I have two of them sitting in my hanger ATM, I should know, I just got them from a ETC I converted . . . what gives?
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Commissar Kate
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.11 20:52:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Sigras
Is anyone else having an issue buying this stream with a PLEX?
I go to the page and choose PLEX as my payment option but the web site tells me I have 0 PLEX
This ofc is a problem because I have two of them sitting in my hanger ATM, I should know, I just got them from a ETC I converted . . . what gives?
Try reverse redeeming one.
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Argias Nulliant
Martyr's Vengence
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Posted - 2011.03.11 22:36:00 -
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i had a nice post going but somehow it deleted itself. so to sum up my thoughts..
20$ is steep. i was instantly about to buy the hd streem because i just bought my first hd tv..
2 days for the "stream".. i pay 20$ to watch a 1 time stream that i might get a few hours to watch.. that sounds rather ****ty.. will our purchase come with a download as well as a virtual t-shirt? i'd like to be able to watch the whole thing for 20$..
will this be full hd? for that price i'd expect some pretty damn good quality.. 1080p would be a must.. for 20$ we should get any left over t-shirts from fanfest.. just a thought.. or if anything, any eve t-shirt from the store.. just give whatever you have excess of or doesn't sell well..
i was totally ready to pay cash for this.. i was expecting a fair price of 9.99 or 10$
but i don't thing i can justify 20$ for a 1 time viewing...
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Kronossan
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.12 09:18:00 -
[102]
**** you Blizzard#2
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ProContractor
Caldari
Viagra Lovers
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Posted - 2011.03.12 12:30:00 -
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720p wtf ? thats old and you can do 1080 for 20euro and is 2010 now not 2005
" That said we cannot guarantee the quality of the internet during the event or your own connection. "
Well blizzard gives you money back if they have problems and yes i have got refunded twice
seriusly ccp
And why use "crappy tube" and not the other awesome sites out there that provides better quality for nothing
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Chan Su
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.12 13:27:00 -
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When and where can we get a programming schedule for the live feed?
p.s. I for one am happy to have the opportunity to pay for enhanced viewing options. It never ceases to amaze me that this community of forum curmudgeons can complain about every freebie, every addition of choices, every enhancement that they dont feel is exactly what they prefer. CCP, MOST of us do appreciate it when you try to give us more, rather than less, and we dont begrudge you trying to recover your costs (or, heaven forbid, even making a buck out of it). Keep up the good work.
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.12 15:13:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Chan Su
When and where can we get a programming schedule for the live feed?
p.s. I for one am happy to have the opportunity to pay for enhanced viewing options. It never ceases to amaze me that this community of forum curmudgeons can complain about every freebie, every addition of choices, every enhancement that they dont feel is exactly what they prefer. CCP, MOST of us do appreciate it when you try to give us more, rather than less, and we dont begrudge you trying to recover your costs (or, heaven forbid, even making a buck out of it). Keep up the good work.
Here Frackin' Here TBH.
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Rheddin
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Posted - 2011.03.12 18:32:00 -
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what are the bandwidth requirements for the stream? I get 400K/sec / 4Mbit will that handle it?
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Mercahnt
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Posted - 2011.03.12 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chan Su
When and where can we get a programming schedule for the live feed?
p.s. I for one am happy to have the opportunity to pay for enhanced viewing options. It never ceases to amaze me that this community of forum curmudgeons can complain about every freebie, every addition of choices, every enhancement that they dont feel is exactly what they prefer. CCP, MOST of us do appreciate it when you try to give us more, rather than less, and we dont begrudge you trying to recover your costs (or, heaven forbid, even making a buck out of it). Keep up the good work.
couldnt have said it better !
thx CCP
already subscribed
what are the bandwidth requirements for the stream? I get 400K/sec / 4Mbit will that handle it?........
if its anything like the last AT your fine
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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.03.12 22:53:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Commissar Kate
Originally by: Sigras
Is anyone else having an issue buying this stream with a PLEX?
I go to the page and choose PLEX as my payment option but the web site tells me I have 0 PLEX
This ofc is a problem because I have two of them sitting in my hanger ATM, I should know, I just got them from a ETC I converted . . . what gives?
Try reverse redeeming one.
Thank you
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TigerXtrm
APEX ARDENT COALITION
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Posted - 2011.03.14 09:24:00 -
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SD stream is free but for the HD content we have to pay like 15 dollars? That's a little out of proportion, don't you think? I know that streaming HD content can be pretty pricey but 15 dollars is a bit much, even for a live stream.
Having said that I probably won't be watching anyway. I'll just catch the highlights on Youtube, probably in HD, when it's over ;).
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
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Posted - 2011.03.14 23:21:00 -
[110]
Originally by: ProContractor
Stop this ccp
why 1 plex for this ?
You have turned into money making *cencored*
turned?
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Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.15 06:39:00 -
[111]
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Cryten Jones
Hi Loxy,
If I purchase the HD Feed do I have to watch it 'live' or will it have 'PVR' style features where I can watch and pause at my own time scales?
Happy to pay for the HD as I can't be there..but can't spend the day watching my PC for the same reason....eg kids :-)
-CJ
We're looking into adding that feature but I can't say for sure now. We are also considering replaying the whole feed at the end of the day if that is of interested to people?
Around what time would it replay? Because I wouldn't be able to make it during the day.
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David Hassan
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Posted - 2011.03.15 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: David Hassan on 15/03/2011 07:13:10
Charging to view your marketing in any way is daft.
It's fanfest, you are going to plug your product the whole time, Something which you are already selling.
And a Virtual T-Shirt? Cute. Will Justin Beiber be performing at fan fest?
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Dorn Val
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Posted - 2011.03.15 09:14:00 -
[113]
Don't feed the trolls CCP -there are some people in this world who would complain even if you hung them with a new rope
Thanks for providing the HD feed!
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.03.15 15:05:00 -
[114]
If you really want to convince your fanbase to start botting en masse to make isk to buy plex, then yeah, this is definitely the way to go.
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:31:00 -
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Hey guys,
We will be putting up an FAQ page about this on the Fanfest site shortly, but for those who can't wait, this is what we are looking at regarding stream quality:
For those who have purchased the HD stream, you will get 3 options:
- 720p, ~1500k / sec
- 720p, ~1000k / sec
- 480p, ~750k / sec
These are of course subject to tweaking over the coming week but they are around the bitrates we are aiming for, and they should cater to the highest number of people .
For the free stream, we are aiming for around 300k/s to ensure the highest number of people can view it.
Overall, this will result in similar quality to the last Alliance Tournament (for those who remember that), and is be largely based on the same technologies. It will require an Adobe Flash capable web browser.
Cheers,
Mindstar
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.03.15 16:44:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Louis deGuerre
If you really want to convince your fanbase to start botting en masse to make isk to buy plex, then yeah, this is definitely the way to go.
Gosh.. making isk for one plex can be done in 3-4 hours in empire, at the same time while you drinking beer and shiptoasting on forums. If you cant imagine this without bot in your erotic fantasies - you failed miserably in this game.
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Kita Radeon
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.03.15 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kita Radeon on 15/03/2011 22:32:38
Wow... this thread... wow.
If CCP decided to give us all a free trip to Iceland I'm sure these forums would be filled with people *****ing about how CCP isn't paying for their cab trip to the airport.
Everyone step back for a minute. Think about it, If you remove the HD package from the equasion, the SD streaming is BETTER than last fanfest's. Which was better than the one before that. IN ADDITION to this, we now have the option of paying x amount of money to get more. This is not a bad thing in my opinion.
"**** you, this will lead to microtransactions" I hear you saying. Well, that is a pretty valid concern. Unlike most issues people threaten to unsub their 50 accounts over (Boost Caldari hurr durr) microtransactions are pretty serious. Is this the right decision for CCP? I don't know, it might be. If CCP wish simply to make money at any cost then it might be the right choice. whether you or I unsub from eve, CCP might make more money in the end via the microtransactions. The fact is none of us here who don't work at CCP are in a position to tell them what is 'right or wrong' for their business. It's THEIR business. They are the ones with all the data, not us.
That being said if microtransactions DO come about I will be quitting eve based on my feelings towards them. That isn't a threat, like I said if CCP decides to put them in I'm sure its a calculated move and they will believe they will make more money than they lose. They would have accounted for us. I just wanted it to be clear that I'm not defending microtrasactions :)
Also having been to fanfest myself ('08) I can say it is worth every damn cent(and it was a lot of cents). And I don't think CCP makes any real money off of it. I mean the ticket is not priced at a point where I could see CCP doing it for the money. I'm sure they cover costs but add to that the time spent by employees and the massive hangovers in the morning... I don't think it is a very profitable thing for CCP. And for you people saying its marketing, have you even SEEN the trailers!? Thats amazing marketing. Fanfest is a giant party where a few hundred/thousand people decide its worth it to fly to an island and have a lot of fun and drink a lot of beer. If it was purely about marketing don't you think Fanfest wouldn't be in a place that is remote enough to restrict a lot of potential people? And if you still think its marketing then don't watch the stream. Not even the free one. It is a pretty simple solution tbh.
I am likely wrong but I thought that CCP already talked about microtransactions and the CSM desuade them from it. If thats the case, <3 CSM and <3 CCP for listening. If not, just ignore this :) But I kind of like where this whole thing is heading though. Instead of microtransactions perhaps isk sinks (in such a way that it wont ruin the player economy) might work. You would still have the less rich players buying GTCs as they do, and you are not forcing everyone to go through microtransactions. The plexs for charity idea is amazing. I think this is just an extention of it.
Originally by: biggie fluffy
End of the day- this is a money grab. Sure it costs a lot for "productions", but netflix gives me 24/7 HD content all month for 8$
Fair point. But there is a bit of a difference. Netflix doesn't generate it's own content. And the content they distribute is made for millions of people. Of course doing the HD stream isn't the same thing as making a multimillion dollar movie
Also it costs more to produce the SD version of the stream than last year. And THAT is free. If it was a money grab don't you think they would have charged a fee for SD as well? Perhaps a 5 Euro/Dollar fee for SD and 20 for HD or something.
Edit: Sorry for the text wall but I doubt anyone from CCP is really reading this thread anymore anyways. If someone is then thank you for a great game, please don't use mircotransactions and have lots of fun at fanfest for those of us who can't afford to go this year:)
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.03.16 07:02:00 -
[118]
Ok, so leaving it a few days nobody bothered to answer my question about watching it at my leisure.
Fair enough. I am no longer bothered to pay for it.
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Rockstar from Mars
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Posted - 2011.03.16 08:14:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Ok, so leaving it a few days nobody bothered to answer my question about watching it at my leisure.
Fair enough. I am no longer bothered to pay for it.
If I understood your question, thats because it has already been answered.
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Ok, lets say I pay for the stream. Can I pick when I want to watch it after the event or is this a one shot deal?
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: Jupix
Will there be recorded HD vids of the panels afterwards? Might pay 99 eurocents a piece on iTunes for those...
All the presentations will be available on our YouTube channel within a week of Fanfest in HD, this includes all the presentations that didnÆt make it into the live show.
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Victoria Luna
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Posted - 2011.03.18 22:35:00 -
[120]
Due to timezone issues I won't really be able to watch it live, but if it were possible to download the HD streams after the presentation or at the end of each day I'd go for it.
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Nimbat
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Posted - 2011.03.19 11:54:00 -
[121]
It says I have 0 plex. Someone mentioned reverse redeem but how do I do it?
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.03.19 16:16:00 -
[122]
I saw some of the HD youtube videos for the music portions of last year's fanfest and the quality of video and camera work was impressive for any fanfest, much less a smaller community like EVE. As such, I would be all too happy to support it with $20 USD . . . but not if my access to the content is only in real time as it happens and as I just happen to be up and available to view it. If I could have it archived and login to view it whenever I want, I would go for this instantly. I'd even pay an extra $5 for the "archived" access (I don't want to watch it just one time).
However, 20 hours of content spread across two or three days aligned for a time zone that is 6-8 hours ahead of my own during the work week is a difficult proposition. That places almost all of the content to between 6am and 3pm PST, in America. A time when most people are sleeping, commuting, and working. Rebroadcasting it isn't really an acceptable solution, either.
I understand there would be concern for unauthorized distribution of the content, but I think the value to your devoted customers would be much greater.
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ark reaper
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Posted - 2011.03.20 11:08:00 -
[123]
woulda been a better idea to give the payed option playback options allowing you to see the parts you're interested in later in the day if like me you'll be at work
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:37:00 -
[124]
Charging money for this is ****ing ******ed.
It would have been awfully cool to tune in and take a look for five minutes to see what it looked like, but no!
Thank you for treating your fanbase (currently the "fan" part declining at a rapid rate) like idiots.
-zil
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ATOM ANT
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:24:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Qordel
I saw some of the HD youtube videos for the music portions of last year's fanfest and the quality of video and camera work was impressive for any fanfest, much less a smaller community like EVE. As such, I would be all too happy to support it with $20 USD . . . but not if my access to the content is only in real time as it happens and as I just happen to be up and available to view it. If I could have it archived and login to view it whenever I want, I would go for this instantly. I'd even pay an extra $5 for the "archived" access (I don't want to watch it just one time).
However, 20 hours of content spread across two or three days aligned for a time zone that is 6-8 hours ahead of my own during the work week is a difficult proposition. That places almost all of the content to between 6am and 3pm PST, in America. A time when most people are sleeping, commuting, and working. Rebroadcasting it isn't really an acceptable solution, either.
I understand there would be concern for unauthorized distribution of the content, but I think the value to your devoted customers would be much greater.
I totaly agree with this. As EVE is a world wide thing it makes good sense to make some accomodation for the various time zones. I managed to tune in to the HD but its so laggy, (and i don't know the cause) its almost useless in that its impossible to follow along. (But i'm trying hard)
I think a log in accessable archive would be great and would fit my schedule perfectly. And while this doesn't realy fit here, I'd like to see the fanfest moved to a different time of the year. The summer comes to mind, the weather is good for flying, and its easyer to schedule holiday time off work to attend.
Atom-Ant.
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Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari
Technomage Trilogy
Valor Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:13:00 -
[126]
Watching some of the presentations, a thought occurs.
I think CCP gets too distracted making skits for fanfest. That's why you keep complaining about things taking a long time.
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Trai Kanossi
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Posted - 2011.03.27 05:42:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Zilero
Charging money for this is ****ing ******ed.
It would have been awfully cool to tune in and take a look for five minutes to see what it looked like, but no!
Thank you for treating your fanbase (currently the "fan" part declining at a rapid rate) like idiots.
-zil
Standard definition feed is free and more than adequate for tuning in and taking a look for five minutes, and more. The quality is fine. The option to upgrade to HD is there, for a small fee. I really don't see the problem here.
If you object to being treated like an idiot, don't post like one.
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ctx2007
Minmatar
Wychwood and Wells
United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:45:00 -
[128]
I was going to come to the fanfest until i priced it all up, way to expensive 
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:58:00 -
[129]
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 27/03/2011 11:59:48
Kudos to CCP for putting this broadcast together for this years Fest. I forked over the $20 for the HD stream and was lucky enough to be able to watch about 90% of it (many people's schedules wouldn't allow for that because it's live, so I support adding some way for subscribers to view what they missed at a later time for next years broadcast). Great production values, solid high quality stream, inclusive coverage of various aspects of the event, and great hosts! Well worth the $20!
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Meidan Olson
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Posted - 2011.04.01 07:46:00 -
[130]
Hi, can anyone help?
i did't see ANY link in my account management for buy HD for plex.
is it some issue? or it over?
thanks
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.04.01 11:29:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Meidan Olson
i did't see ANY link in my account management for buy HD for plex.
is it some issue? or it over?
Some clever people have stolen the stream and posted it here.
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