Lol.

1. You cant mine afk in high sec, because you need to switch and target a new asteroid nearly after every cycle.

2. It's just a ganker's whine thread from a one sided ganker perspecive who only play a little aspect of EVE ( ganking miners in high security space), and makes conclusions for the whole game, so the article is everything but not objective.

3. New players and carebears still have a lot of fail and error that can occur while they play even if they never mining at all -> EVE is still a hard game for newbies and everyone else too.

(4. Why ganking a miner is so good? I rather gank a hauler to make a profit. but ganking a hauler is hard and you need patience, so its easier to gank a miner for 0% profit just to blow up someone and feel yourself evil, etc maybe, I don't know. Ganking miners would be fun for a short time, but in long term, I think it cause pleasure only to people who have some mental trouble. IMO.)

Lol.

1. You cant mine afk in high sec, because you need to switch and target a new asteroid nearly after every cycle.

Another butthurt "I want EVE to be played my way wah wah wah" thread...people tend to forget that the membership of Goonswarm, and those who actually visit the forums, only represent a very small proportion of the total EVE player base.

What the Goonies in turn seem to forget, is that for most players, EVE is a casual pursuit, not a meta game. I suggest Goons go off and find something more in line with their requirements, rather that trying to change something that most players are generally happy with.

Nothing new here. Move on.

Thank you for creating an alt just for my post, but we aren't looking for posts that start with LOL and other internet jiberish, we are looking for creditable people with creditable opinions. So if you don't mind, either post with your main and make a point, or go here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8170&find=unread and make fun of peoples avatars. Thanks

Suicide gank breaks the core tenant of the game that is that you must risk much to gain much. High sec gankers exploit the patchwork mechanics of aggression in high security. In low security, such miscreants would be dealt with before they had a chance to act, instead the false security protects them from appropriate aggression until after the deed has been done and the consequence have been met.

In no way is losing a worthless pod or frigate a deterrent to further criminal action on the part of the aggressor (ganker). High sec players have no recourse by which to deter this activity. It is the funny little loop hole in the system that makes this all possible.

To put it another way. It would be better to completely remove the high security system than to continue allow this exploitative behavior. It is inconsistent with the spirit of play. I would pop every low standing pilot I saw without question if I had the choice. In my mind, if you flip cans and pop noobs, ninja salvage/loot or suicide gank. I would give you plenty of lead to chew on. On sight. In my mind, high sec is where civilized player play, and none of that nonsense should be allowed.

I think the changes to aggression will help alleviate this concern, but the problem won't be completely gone. I rather that low security standing players step in fear into high security. They fully understand that stepping into high security with low standing means they are at the full mercy of the high sec population. They earned it, they should reap it.

high sec is where civilized player play

1. Creditable options doesn't depends on the first word of a post.
2. You can't do anything to silence me, and I know this make you feel frustrated.

Are there any people left who aren't cowards or plain idiots ? o_O

Well put. Thanks for that.

Lets assume for a second you got your way, do you believe the Risk vs. Rewards in high sec are appropriate today? Level 4 Missions for example?

It's funny you bring that up. I always felt that someone who shoots at a poor, defenceless rock all day was both a coward & an idiot.

Not frustrated at all. I was just hoping you would make a well constructed post with an actual opinion that deserves to be heard. So far your doing a **** poor job of it, even with an alt.

I don't really understand your problem, but I play this game for some years now, and I think the biggest whiners are always the old players. My opinion is that this crying about mining changes and things like that articles are just as same whine threads as threads about "someone blow up my untanked hulk".

A: Some killed me :(
B: Adapt or go play wow.

or:

A: I can't kill someone like as easy as before :(
B: Adapt or go play wow.

Again I just want to point out that no one is whining here. Its 6 pages of mostly civil discussion about a well written and well thought out article. Agree with it, disagree with it, make your case why or why not. What you did was create an alt to hide your in game identity to ensure your anonymity, refer to people participating in the discussion as whiners and made a pretty poor attempt to appear "tough" or "veteran" in reference to some gibberish about blowing up haulers. You can't expect anyone to take you seriously right?

It's funny you bring that up. I always felt that someone who shoots at a poor, defenceless rock all day was both a coward & an idiot.

Well of course new players would venture out into low/null/WH space if they were left alone long enough to build some sort of buffer for when they lose their ships. Just starting out and getting ganked before you can get anywhere or attain anything is a huge turn-off and makes ya just wanna quit. It's not carebearing, its like walking outside and getting hit by lightening every time, eventualy you stop going outside.

You think you can expect? Why? Because you made your alt x years ago? Lol :D

What a load of crap, get a grip, cowards in a game, lmao it's a game if you've not noticed.

Miners in RL risk their lives, I wouldn't say they're cowards for demolishing rocks..

Yes, EVE is a game. Real life mining is not a game. I am glad you have learned something today.

But, I do tend to get tired of listening to macho bullshit.

i wonder why so many people are so bent on seeing hisec turned into a carebear paradise, almost like a separate shard

maybe they should try a different game?