yeah eve online, a game known far and wide for its amazing mining and mission content, would grow so much if it wasn't for all the suicide ganking l0l

Your correct, but in defense of the article what the author was saying is that players already had the option to adapt and they don't work for NPC corporations, they work for themselves. Tanking up a mining ship to avoid a suicide gank was extremely easy to do and 100% effective before the patch. People simply didn't do it, hence the point to make is that players refused to adapt, so CCP adapted the game for them. I agree with author that this is not a good way to go about developing a competitive game. If players can't adapt because the mechanics are unfair, than yea, fix them... but if you have the option to adapt and you simply ignore it because the rewards are better if you choose not to tank out your miner, than you have a made a conscious player choice and should live with the consequences. Thats kind of like saying that an industrial player chose not to put warp stabilizers on his industrial ship because he filled it with cargo expanders and than came to CCP and demanded 5 free points on the industrial ships because its not fair that they can be warp scrammed. I don't think anyone would agree this is a good idea, but its effectively what happen with exhumers.

The only question here is should there be consequences in high sec? Is a game without consequences fun? I think these are some of the fundamental questions about suicide ganking.

What good is a bigger population if I can not shoot them?

I think this is probably the first topic I have created in over 3 years on Eve Forums, but after reading the linked article I came to the conclusion that every single Eve player needs to read it. I would be very curious to hear the opinions on it.

http://themittani.com/features/road-nerfdom-highsecs-carebear-future

Those that are unable to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

No Eve Player Should Miss This Article

I I get that some players are mad that older player (like me) can sit in high security, enjoy its safety while making a decent "living", that somehow even though there is much more to gain in low/null sec, that that isn't enough. I must be forced into pvp...kicking and screaming if necessary. I've proposed solutions to this delima, but I'm not so naive to think I was the first.

More propaganda, seems like it's good day for it.

It's obvious that went so far over your head that it's now in orbit.

Those that are unable to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I still don't understand why it's such a big deal that carebears can chill in highsec without harassment unless they're wardecced.

The money's terrible there anyway...

Oh yeah that was funny!





No, it did not go over my head and I'm well aware of what it means.

From your last comment about propaganda it obviously did, way over. You just don't realise why.

lol, you do try hard.

It's obvious you did not understand my comment in answer to yours. I'll let you think about it for the next six months.

Well, yeah, most EVE players can go on without reading this.
I wish I had this much time to write bullshit about nothing important with horrible analysis.
And this guy wanted other people to kill themselves?

Mittens - HaHa Poor guy. He is so cute.

No, you're completely wrong. The Mittani didn't write this article, it's just hosted on his site. I'm not particularly a fan either, as I find him to be very arrogant for someone his age, but on the other hand, I'm not a sheep who falls prey to passing judgement based on the hear-say of a ******* internet forum.

Even drunks have opinions....Doesn't mean they are valid.

And using alts to generate a discussion.....pretty typical.

Personally I don't know why you think anyone would read what he has to say...other than Goons or Goon alts (Paid for by the endless tech faucet).....

So why are you answering this? Do you know my motivations?
Now get you @ss over here, I need to sheer you for a new sweater.

The exhumer 'buff' was a nerf to suicide ganking, which was forcing players to be creative, or (perhaps more importantly) more co-operative to avoid those ganks. Now, there is no creativity required, just the isk that can be bough with a single plex for a mackinaw.

Forcing the miners to be creative, pity it was not doing the same for the suicide pilots. At least now the suicide pilots will have to be more creative as you put it.

That may or may not be true, Sabrina. Personally I don't think it is; I don't feel like Suicide ganking was ever that succesful. As the article points out, if it was, there would have been no base minerals on the market, as miners would simply have stopped.

But either way, that doesn't change the point that CCP's reponse effectively dumbed down a part of Eve. That is a sad road to be going down.

Forcing the miners to be creative, pity it was not doing the same for the suicide pilots. At least now the suicide pilots will have to be more creative as you put it.


The change was a needed one, as suicide ganking was just easy isk.


Games develop over time, like the rise in the number of suicide pilots so if it starts to be a problem, then it needs to be rebalanced which is what they've done.

Forcing the miners to be creative, pity it was not doing the same for the suicide pilots. At least now the suicide pilots will have to be more creative as you put it.

The change was a needed one, as suicide ganking was just easy isk.

Games develop over time, like the rise in the number of suicide pilots so if it starts to be a problem, then it needs to be rebalanced which is what they've done.

So buy the miners doing nothing to protect there ships the gankers had to be nerfed. Your response to this is well it was to easy to kill an untanked ship so gankers need to be creative even though the miners refused to do this.

I am not for or against ganking I am just damn tired of people defending the fact that miners refused to do anything and got a change from CCP.

Ganking should be hardered then a t1 dessy yes but FFS put a tank on your ship before you start crying to momma CCP to make the bully stop.

Edit: Also what is hard about mining Ice pretty sure that is easy isk that can make more isk/h then ganking.

I don't see it as dumbing the game down where suicide pilots are concerned. Before the cost to a suicide pilot was minimal compared to the lose their target suffered. Now it will cost more to kill a target which should balance the costs better. So it really is just a rebalance of a lame mechanic, making it a bit less lame.