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Khmoud Hasjiz
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:35:00 -
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if this the way your supposed to make isk in eve, ill geuss ill start looking into how to setup a macro...
seems its legal nowadays
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:37:00 -
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I don't think the age of the 6 months referred to the char's age, more the time involved in amassing the money.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Visionthing
.......... The solution ... ANYTHING that will require the player to make a non trivial choice once per hour, or there abouts.
CAPTCHA! hell I would hate to see this, but its a simple solution to a very big problem .....
Many suggestions along these lines, like mine:
Replace current belts with single large roids scattered in a system wide belt. Ice belts are replaced by comets.
You can target different spots on these roids. If you target the right spot, the miner returns ore.
The "right spot", an ore deposit, is found by visual inspection, you look for a pattern in the crystal structure of the roid.
The ore deposits are about the same size as present roids are, so once the miners are running you can watch that movie, just like now.
A change like this would play havoc with all mining bots except those with advanced pattern recognition. Unfortunately, programmers are making such bots, although they are not yet in EVE. Consider:
A bot can drive a rover on Mars. Google has bots driving cars in traffic. A bot just won Jeopardy. We are very close to an era where there is no game that bots cannot do better than humans.
So even when it comes to fighting bots with content change, its still an arms race.
More botter tears please.
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4Pack Prophet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein
Originally by: 4Pack Prophet Edited by: 4Pack Prophet on 06/04/2011 16:04:02 Edited by: 4Pack Prophet on 06/04/2011 16:03:15
Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein
Originally by: Lady Aja it took e over 6 months to earn 20b isk and these cyunts do it in 1/3rd of the time and not play.
I've played for roughly 6 months and have no where close to 6 billion. It sounds like you're the botter.
Somebody living in 0.0 or W-Space can happily make that kind of money within 6 months, without resorting to botting.
Doing what exactly and with what skills? Don't say ratting cause a Drake is too slow at destroying NPCs and I can't see anything more feasible than a Raven.
My personal experience is from living in W-Space with a corp I have become very fond of, and the cash I have made is from plexing as part of a team (and gas mining on the side).
I will be honest I haven't put my feet into 0.0 in years, but I have a very good freind out there who makes me look like a beggar most of the time (Things like nightmare BPC drops can make alot of cash).
And by the way sorry again Ninja, I'm part of an offtopic conversation here. All I can say to you at the moment is that you have found that treasured thing many Eve players are looking for, a new hobby that can remind you just how much you love this game .
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Khmoud Hasjiz if this the way your supposed to make isk in eve, ill geuss ill start looking into how to setup a macro...
seems its legal nowadays
It's legal until you get your 2nd warning, then it becomes illegal. Take care out there.
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Dr Larry Goldstein
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:49:00 -
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It's possible to live in W-Space without being evicted / harassed?
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QFX
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein It's possible to live in W-Space without being evicted / harassed?
Yes, but you need Evasive Harassing V
"A man with no skills can be taught. A man with no honor, has nothing." |
Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein It's possible to live in W-Space without being evicted / harassed?
I've lived in W-space for 18 months. Yes we get harrased, lost many ships, 2 POSes. But...this is EVE.
CCP Sreegs: Has you content guy come up with any ideas that can be shared?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein It's possible to live in W-Space without being evicted / harassed?
Find a good corp that's into wormholes... that'll go a long way. Be alert, be patient. You'll still lose ships, but it's easy to maximize your fun and profits as well.
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4Pack Prophet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein It's possible to live in W-Space without being evicted / harassed?
To my experience (so far) yes it is though I fully expect that one day this shall end, which is the nature of risk vs reward .
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clixor
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:13:00 -
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First of all, can we keep this topic clean please, start your own topic if you want to discuss creditcard yadayada. please, we want more botter tears
Looking at refreshing the content side is also an interesting topic. If you make belts less static, this would help some in countering simple bots, and it would even be 'realistic', at least, i'd image belt are not available in the same exact spot in space all the time ;)
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Salaamz
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Salaamz on 06/04/2011 18:35:43 CCP can you please change the system for banning accounts, I think the length of time for bans isn't bad however I do think that there should be an additional penalty where there would be a loss of skill points related to the area they were botting.
Mining Botters - lose skill points on the Exhumers or Mining Barge so they have to wait a few weeks before they can just get back to it after a ban. Market Bots - lose some trade skills Ratting Bots - lose BS lvl 5 etc
Maybe have something up in the the player bio "I was temp banned for using a bot" as you only have your rep to fall back on in eve.
Nice updates on the issue Ninja keep it up
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Svizac Marmotov
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:16:00 -
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I think 3 strikes system is an insult to legit players.
Banning/penalties should act both as the punishment for the culprit,but even more, as a detterant to everyone else. Caught & prooven botting/rmt-ing? Permaban, not only of the involved account, but ALL main/alts/same credit card accounts that can be proven with a degree of certainity to belong to the said person, and removal of any and all assets gained by the illegal conduct.
And most important of all, make it PUBLIC.
An official forum thread or some sort of "Wall of Shame". "Characters A and his related characters B, C and D got banned today for XX." Harsh? Extremly. Offender would not only lose offending (and often expendable and replacable) char/account, but his mains & alts he really cares about, and becoming publicly exposed would serve as a warning to those considering it or not yet caught. Make an example out of few people, others will think twice beforing doing it. No second chances, no forgiveness.
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Kazini Jax
Gallente Starlight Operations Starlight Network
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Posted - 2011.04.06 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kazini Jax on 06/04/2011 20:21:57 Just validate all commands, sent by clients to the servers, that would be used by botters. Only CCP progs would be able to communicate legitimately.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.04.06 20:45:00 -
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Just wanted to let you know not a single market bot from my contacts BOT folder logged on (yet) after 1.4 went live.
I hope its the bans and not bots needing manual patching :)
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Dsan
Bedlam.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:20:00 -
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OMG OMG OMG TIMEZ TO BUY SHIPS AND NOT HAVE ISK ON YOU!
INVEST YOUR ISK BEFORE ALL BOTS ARE GONE!
nah, seriously. I'm pretty sure this is going to take the game back a while. it'll feel like the good old days where capitals stayed safe and trit cost 7isk a piece and an abaddon was to expensive to lose :P
I like the botters, keeps the game slightly more playable, we just need PI bots aswell :P
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:29:00 -
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Add a capchua upon mining laser activation... God it would be bad but effective.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:38:00 -
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Well, Dsan, I do see your point. Assuming some of the corps here are using bots to fund their supercap blobs/jb's...then W/out botting it will be harder for some people to store up the trit for a supercap. It's probably gonna be harder for those people to maintain jump bridges, and more expensive for hot drops.
But then, it might lead to fewer posts of people saying "super cap blob dropped on my roam" or "get rid of JB's" and stuff like that.
One way or another, removing botting is going to effect Eve. but I get the feeling that most people are willing to accept that change, in order level out the playing field.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Add a capchua upon mining laser activation... God it would be bad but effective.
*facepalm*
wrong thread, dude. This isn't the "How to get rid of bots" thread. This is the "CCP's kicking the **** out of bots, lets all watch" thread.
Fare and honestly reported, I might add
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:29:00 -
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Hey guys, time for your afternoon report.
Website A has had at least one more ban. But this one is unique, in the fact that it sheds a little bit of light on a topic that many have asked: is CCP banning Paying accounts, or just accounts that use PLEX. And I quote:
"I can confirm that I only ever paid the subscription fee of 14.99. I never bought plex nor did I particiapte in RMT. I hoarded the ISK waiting for something worthwhile to invest in. I had 2 different accounts banned temporarily. And I consdired myself a low profile miner."
Website B, not being hit as hard, has recently released a new patch to deal with CCP's banhammer. However this patch has a few holes in it.
"Yep CCP ****ed again the mining bot
VG (identified as the bot programmer) Pls fix this soon thanks again"
The Ratting bot website that I've been watching has had very little activity in regards to bannings. The bannings have gotten someones attention, however. I have come accrost a very popular thread where they claim that their bot does not violate the EULA. And I quote:
"As long as using XXMacroNameXX doesnÆt accelerate the rate at witch you acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status compared to ordinary Game play its consistent to EVE-OnlineÆs EULA and as such is 100% legal!"
It looks like the macro miners are taking quite a hit. But the ratters, as far as I can tell are still roaming the voids of null sec.
To this date, there are 4907 registured users on this macro-ratters site.
Editors note: I must apologies to my readers, it's been almost 2 days since CCP Sreegs asked me to send him that email and I've been distracted. (I don't have public email access at work)
I will send him that mail tonight, and I will detail out the ratter bot. Hopfully something can be done. Again... my bad, and thank you all for reading.
I updated the front page post with highlights and details of this post.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Add a capchua upon mining laser activation... God it would be bad but effective.
Captcha (and Recaptcha) are fail, and only goes to infuriate and punish legitimate people at their keyboard. BTW both have been cracked.
As for the minigame ideas.... pfffttt. Just remove fixed belts and introduce more grav sites per system.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Ken'Shao Amunra
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Visionthing they have to be killed in the correct order, be it ship type or flying positions, you know you have to kill the two ships at 15km close to each other first and the other ship also at 15km last .... else that last ship will call in support that will wipe ANY and ALL ships in the belt (or grav site).
Yeah, and what if *my* idea of the "correct" order differs from CCP's idea of "correct"? Is it more important to take out the frigates that are using webbers and tracking disruptors against my missile-firing escort, but have laughable dps, or should I attack the battleships first which are all dps, but pretty stupid about target selection? Choose poorly, and everyone in my mining op gets SANSHADOKEN??
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:53:00 -
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Quote: Add a capchua upon mining laser activation... God it would be bad but effective.
*facepalm*
wrong thread, dude. This isn't the "How to get rid of bots" thread. This is the "CCP's kicking the **** out of bots, lets all watch" thread.
Fare and honestly reported, I might add
It's true what they say... EvE people dont have a sense of humor...
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Raznarl
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Raznarl on 07/04/2011 03:52:14 Okay first off. I don't care either way about macro use. People are complaining about the mining macros, they don't seem to care about ratting bots, but whatever. Now I get a kick out of the people that say it won't affect the market, or CCP's wallet. Its called supply and demand, basic economy 101 for all of you. If you remove a major supply, and the demand doesn't change, then the prices go WAY up! Sounds all fine and dandy, people pay more for the mineral. But since its costing the builders more money, they have to charge more. So you'll have cruisers costing fifty million isk, battleships would run you like 400 million, and buying any kind of capital ship would be out of the question for an individual. Now to those of you that say you can sell a PLEX to buy your ship, think again. I'm not usually a gambling man, but I would wager that at least 25% of the PLEX's sold for isk are bought by people that use macros. Back to supply and demand, opposite happens here, supply stays the same, but the demand goes down, if the market is flooded with an item the price will go down. People will undercut more and more, there are some that would oppose my view of this. But all I got to say is; What are you going to do with an item doesn't sell because there are others of the same thing cheaper? To answer that, I would undercut the lowest seller to get rid of mine first, or just use it myself, because there are no returns on items like GTC's or PLEX's. I'd imagine that eventually people would just stop selling PLEX's it won't be worth it, I would I wouldn't pay 15bucks for 150mil isk, when a battle ship costs 400mil. The plex is how it will affect CCP's wallet, Its most likely not the marco miners that are buying the GTC's for cash and then selling them for isk, its the people with extra cash, but don't have the time to earn isk through ratting/mining/missions. Lets just lowball the number of macro miners, lets say 5k? thats $75,000 a month, or $900,000 a year of revenue that is gone. If the price of PLEX's drops to low in the market then people won't bother selling them.
Now some words of advice, all macro miners, hoard what you get, if you get banned once, stop and sit on what you got, the prices are going to go up. Traders and producers buy as much as you can and sit on it, the prices are going to go up.
I think this will also affect then number of new players, if stuff gets too expensive then people are going to get frustrated and play something else. I probably would have never continued to play the game if a cruiser cost me 40mil and I was only making 1mill from the missions I ran in my frigate.
I know what I'm going to to, start working on my mining skills because its going to be a lucrative business. Mission running, unless its level 4s, just won't be worth the time and effort. I'll just fleet up with my alt in an Orca, perfect refining and a mindlink and go to town solo. |
NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.04.07 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Raznarl
stuff
Raznarl, first of all, thank you for being courteous and direct in your post. Unlike some trolls that have posted against the macro ban, you made a very good point and did it without insulting anyone. I welcome anyone who has an opposing idea to the OP, that is on topic and is willing to debate without throwing insults.
Moving on, you have made some good points. To be honest, I have been waiting for someone to post what you have.
Our biggest problem is, we do not know what kind of impact marcos had on the market. And we do not know how many people are going to step up to fill the gap when their gone.
Just because the bots are gone, doesn't mean the minerals are going to stop flowing. I have no doubt that there will be a spike in prices for a while. But once people learn you can make money mining, I'm willing to bet that there will be a large influx of mining corporations spawning up. A mining corp of 5-6 flying hulks with an orca can clear a high sec belt in an hour or two. If carebears learned that their minerals will sell for double what they where, there will be a huge push to get miners in high sec to make isk.
Basically, the largest argument I have for you, is that the prices probably will spike; but then the Eve players will rebound and take over what the bots are doing now.
Any other thoughts?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Raznarl "more or less: the prices will spike by x5 or more"
Improbable. Sure prices will increase, but not by that much.
Several things will happen well before you get to that level: 1) more people will start to mine as the payout will increase. 2) CCP will spawn more grav sites. 3) CCP will reverse some of the nerf they have done to mission loot so that it again will become a back up source of minerals.
Another interesting factor is that if the cost of the T1 hull become so high using a faction or T2 ships will become more common as the difference in price will dwindle.
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Twisted Mister
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Mister on 07/04/2011 08:24:32 What i don't get is that if there are things in the new patches, which the bots needs an update to adapt to, why aren't ccp releasing such changes every other day, so the bots can't keep up with the new patches. It can't be that it was the whole 700 MB of stuff was cousing the bots to be unable to operate, a few MBs worth of update could kill the bots.
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:41:00 -
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because most of the 700mb of patch it's just for the character creation, not for the changes of the game.
Also constant update on the anti bot program may also help the botter wich area it's being modified, so give further insight about how to difference it and make a bot program effective.
Also want to thanks ninja spud for the interesting evenings at work reading your investigations
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Dsan
Bedlam.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:49:00 -
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If I had a bot, I would probably already be considdering moving it somewhere, where no one will report me or it can mine in peace... just saying, maybe the bots will be staying and just move. prices will still go up though, you are making it a hard time for botters!
Solution: NPC sold mins :O
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Tasha Baxter
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:58:00 -
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Idk, the idea of prices going up doesn't bother me at all. Losses could do with hurting more, more people flying small, less T2/T3, not-so-sustainable cap fleets.
All positives in my eyes.
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