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Titus Phook	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:01:00 - [301] Edited by: Titus Phook on 14/04/2011 22:03:05 I know of two friends that were botting until recently, both have hung up their bots and started playing legitimatley on their ex-bot accounts. They were doing it because there appeared to be no penalties from CCP and it payed for plex for both the bot and their main accounts. I think at the moment they're desperatley hoping their accounts don't get banned (afaik the accounts are still active). ---------------------------------------------
Liquldsteel	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:13:00 - [302] Read these on a bot sight, guys must be truly delusional. "Just say NO to RMT ISK Recently CCP has been making an increased effort towards eradicating Real Money Trading (RMT) within EVE Online. RMT is the act of purchasing ISK for cash, through dealers on various websites. This is NOT SAFE and your character can be banned or deleted for doing these transactions. These dealers are under intensive watch by CCP and any transactions they make are monitored. Instead of directly purchasing ISK, purchase our mining and planetary interaction macro and make safe, worry free ISK. Making ISK with our mining macro and then purchasing a PLEX with the ISK you make will earn CCP income and is a much safer method. Bots contribute to the economy of EVE by producing PLEX's that provide a cash flow for CCP. The supply of PLEX on the market is higher than demand and the ISK for this supply must come from people who use bots. CCP rarely permanently ban bot users with a subscription, yet they are very likely to ban a bot user with a trial account because those users do not purchase PLEX and do not contribute to the economy. CCP says ôJust say NO to RMT ISKö and we agree." and another funny "Inject Or Not Inject There has been several requests asking about the way EVE Pilot works. EVE Pilot does not use cache scanning or modifications of the EVE Online client and does not send anything to the EVE Online server. EVE Pilot reads the colors displayed on the screen and can work with any window on top, whether that is the EVE Online client or not. EVE Pilot doesn't send commands directly to the EVE Online client, it uses the keyboard and mouse buffer. The commands are sent the same as if you were pressing the keys on your keyboard or pressing the button on your mouse. In principle, EVE Pilotcan send commands to any window that is on top. The source code for these functions can be found with IronAhk (C# implementation of autohotkey) where slav2gruzdev, who is the main developer of EVE Pilot, can be found on the list of authors. EVE Pilot is a legal program and not a hackers tool. The correct definition of this macro is a mouse and keyboard emulator. Macro Laboratory will always care about your safety and our reputation." and lastly the famous disclaimer "EVE Online is property of its respective owner, CCP, who are in no way affiliated with this site or its products. You are responsible for using any and all feature of our bots and macros which may or may not be affected by a companies terms."
Arnakoz	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:17:00 - [303] Edited by: Arnakoz on 15/04/2011 00:17:53 its good CCP is doing something about this finally. but i can't help but play devil's advocate again. i'm very sure they will lose this fight in the grand scheme of things; they may have found some traits worth tracking to narrow down the searches, but all this will really result in is the bot makers changing these traits and adding more randomness to their scripts. really; there is no game that is bot-free. even the ones that go to extremes to rid them are still infected. and i'm also certain of what failure will result in: more people whining that "CCP fails" and blaming every barely-related issue on BOTS. to me the solution is simple. legalize bots. build them into the game. currently bots suck because they provide players without morals an unfair advantage over those who do [have morals]. so simply make it possible for all players regardless of belief systems. in my mind, this would be no more damaging than PI and moon mining or manufacturing - all passive ISK-making activities. and to the typical response that it wold ruin the market - no... it wouldn't have any more effect than, well, PI and moon mining. mining income would plummet, certainly. but you're talking about earning isk while not even playing. if that's all of 5m a day then i'de still be fine with it (until my 250m hulk got popped...) . its still that much more income in my pocket when i get home form work. and better yet, the costs of all T1 and numerous T2 products would be that much cheaper as well. which will simply result in more pew. And, if it really did become a problem, CCP could always just lower mining yield, or increase construction mineral costs to compensate - though i doubt that would ever be needed. the only problem i have with the idea is that it would ruin that aspect of the game for those who do actually enjoy mining. i'm sure there would be some way to replace this, without simply creating a new bot activity, but i'm at a loss as to what that would be.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:39:00 - [304] Linkage as soon as they decide to ban all of the command guys at PL, and all the Russian Drone botting guys Ill believe they care about botting -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Henry Haphorn Gallente Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.04.15 01:17:00 - [305] Quote: purchase our mining and planetary interaction macro What? They actually pulled it off?
Julyan Fox Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.15 02:37:00 - [306] Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 02:44:12 Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 02:39:35 the AD who says CCP need boters to buy PLEX doesn't make sence. I mean CCP can regulate the market the way they want and buy whatever they want, you wouldn't notice a thing. If there's less demand for PLEXs in game, they just buy them back to inject the isk in the market, problem solved; same if suddenly there were not enough ore caus less ppl were mining, they just inject what's missing in the market incognito,y ou'd have to try hard to know where it came from. Or they could simply increase the yield of minerals from ore.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.04.15 03:10:00 - [307] Originally by: Henry Haphorn Quote: purchase our mining and planetary interaction macro What? They actually pulled it off? From the same site (found by merely googling the phrase you quoted)... Originally by: macreh site Recently CCP has been making an increased effort towards eradicating Real Money Trading (RMT) within EVE Online. RMT is the act of purchasing ISK for cash, through dealers on various websites. This is NOT SAFE and your character can be banned or deleted for doing these transactions. These dealers are under intensive watch by CCP and any transactions they make are monitored. Instead of directly purchasing ISK, purchase our mining and planetary interaction macro and make safe, worry free ISK I bolded the amusing part. Safe and worry free, lol. ---------------------------------------- Looking for a good system, or area, to AFK Cloak. PM me with infos, or if you want a partner to be AFK with.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.15 15:26:00 - [308] Edited by: Othran on 15/04/2011 15:26:31 Originally by: NinjaSpud Othran, somehow you're getting more tears then I am. Wear this insult badge proudly, you've really ****ed them off. I suspect I know the reason for the latest wailing and gnashing of teeth, but for once I'm saying nothing for now about it. "The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind small" is all the hint I'm giving
VaMei Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.15 16:35:00 - [309] Originally by: CCP Sreegs I've been in contact with some people at other companies. Most of them tend to play their cards very close to their chests but I'm trying to get some really good cross industry communication going on. It may mean that we have to have some more success and get people's attention first. I'm glad to hear that you are trying to get some communication going across the industry. While I can understand how others would want to keep quiet about their specific plans, in particular when it comes to software security, I should hope that they would all understand that RMT is a common enemy to any MMO with any form of an economy, and botting is an enemy to all online games. If the gaming industry can recognize they have a common enemy, then they should also recognize that they stand a better chance of facing that threat together. Even if they are only willing to collaborate at a strategic level, it's better than flailing in the dark alone.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.16 08:40:00 - [310] On page 3 so bumping. I must say i'm a little worried about CCP resources in tackling this problem. Not blaming you Screegs but my guess is that you have been busy (still) with fixing the forums. Isn't it the job of the project team to deliver and FIX? In fact, they should be stationed in the lunch room with pink tanktops, hannah montana music on repeat and minimum caffeine rations until fixed. Reason i say: the botters are like the borg and adapting their cubes. You're not going to win the war if you and/or your team have to allocate your precious time elsewhere to fix other teams mistakes. Remember that the banned will be unbanned, it's crucial that they are monitored otherwise risk vs reward will shift in their favour again.

Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:32:00 - [311] Im more worried that this forum fiasco seems to have taken all the heat off CCP as far as botting goes an we all know how well THAT works out
Alexei Orlov Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:43:00 - [312] I'm curious, since the CCP teams seem to all have names, what is the name of the security team Sreegs and company are operating out of?
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:52:00 - [313] CCP cluster- oh heh
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.04.16 16:20:00 - [314] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 16/04/2011 12:58:00 CCP cluster- oh heh Why is it all the boting hulks in high sec seem to mine only veld and scordite? Unless it's changed, it's because those two are actually the most profitable/time spent. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.16 16:30:00 - [315] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 16/04/2011 12:58:00 CCP cluster- oh heh Why is it all the boting hulks in high sec seem to mine only veld and scordite? Unless it's changed, it's because those two are actually the most profitable/time spent. Why? Id think the more valuable ores would be more profitable. Or is there something Im missing here
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.04.16 17:00:00 - [316] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 16/04/2011 12:58:00 CCP cluster- oh heh Why is it all the boting hulks in high sec seem to mine only veld and scordite? Unless it's changed, it's because those two are actually the most profitable/time spent. Why? Id think the more valuable ores would be more profitable. Or is there something Im missing here Yes, there is. The value of an ore is determined by the value of its mineral content. Pyroxeres might contain more "interesting" minerals, but in different quantities than, say, Veldspar.
Kraizer793 88Flak	Posted - 2011.04.16 17:20:00 - [317] Who needs Journalism when you have a catalyst or a 1400 Mael? Srsly now folks. But seriously though, nice work on this. It's high time that someone took it into their own hands on a larger scale like this. Yet, I think Hulkageddon still has you beat for upsetting Botters AFK, Need more Quafe.
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.16 18:00:00 - [318] Originally by: Kraizer793 Who needs Journalism when you have a catalyst or a 1400 Mael? Srsly now folks. But seriously though, nice work on this. It's high time that someone took it into their own hands on a larger scale like this. Yet, I think Hulkageddon still has you beat for upsetting Botters All we need to do is combine the two, and we have a real winner on our hands. Dead shipo, 14 day ban. I like.
Henry Haphorn Gallente Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.04.16 18:56:00 - [319] Let's see. We got people like Ninjaspud working to provide intel on what is going on in the bot community. We got CCP trying to employ cross communication with other companies to deal with the RMT problem. We have capsuleers hosting (and improving effectiveness) Hulkageddon. We have more capsuleers who hunt down and report potential botters (sometimes even ganking them outside Hulkageddon). I would say that a combination of all of these is working quite well. Let's keep it up guys.
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.04.16 19:26:00 - [320] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 16/04/2011 12:58:00 CCP cluster- oh heh Why is it all the boting hulks in high sec seem to mine only veld and scordite? Unless it's changed, it's because those two are actually the most profitable/time spent. Why? Id think the more valuable ores would be more profitable. Or is there something Im missing here You can get Veld, Scord, Pyrox, Plag, Omber, and Kernite in highsec. They are all in the 90 to 120 isk per cu m range. The J-H ores in low sec are 165 to 180 isk/cu m and the ABC ores of null are 200 to 300 isk/cu m.

Henry Haphorn Gallente Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.04.17 16:37:00 - [321] Bump Let's not forget this tread guys.
Guitonkagya Minmatar The Ouroboros Partnership	Posted - 2011.04.17 17:54:00 - [322] Originally by: Henry Haphorn Bump Let's not forget this thread guys. Still fighting the good fight here o7 .... Reported 7 botters in my home system a week ago. The petition response was an unexpected apology for the delay in getting back to me and a nice thankyou for reporting the characters. No response as of yet regarding any action that will be taken or has already been taken, but i would not expect CCP to nourish me with such information. However i have noticed 6 of these reported players have vanished from the system, although i am still observing and watching. ...and the petition remains open. It might not be much in the grand scheme of things that i 'may' have gotten 6 bots banned for two weeks...but hey, every little helps. I don't want to be the 'police' but isn't it upto us to grow some balls and fight back?!! p.s. Stealth Vigilante sounds better than the rozzers

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.04.18 03:26:00 - [323] Originally by: clixor On page 3 so bumping. I must say i'm a little worried about CCP resources in tackling this problem. Not blaming you Screegs but my guess is that you have been busy (still) with fixing the forums. Isn't it the job of the project team to deliver and FIX? In fact, they should be stationed in the lunch room with pink tanktops, hannah montana music on repeat and minimum caffeine rations until fixed. Reason i say: the botters are like the borg and adapting their cubes. You're not going to win the war if you and/or your team have to allocate your precious time elsewhere to fix other teams mistakes. Remember that the banned will be unbanned, it's crucial that they are monitored otherwise risk vs reward will shift in their favour again. The security task force has continued its work and continued meeting. What I haven't had the cycles for is posting on the forums. :)

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.18 05:14:00 - [324] Originally by: CCP Sreegs The security task force has continued its work and continued meeting. What I haven't had the cycles for is posting on the forums. :) lol Sreegs is a Program not a User theyre the ones that talk about cycles and such (think Tron) -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.18 08:19:00 - [325] Thanks Screegs, still i think with Scrum, teams who mess up should be pay some price. Make them work for Chribba and mine for 8 hours or something In other news, there was a quite interesting story about MMO's and RMT in my local newspaper this weekend, titled "virtual worlds are big business". EVE was mentioned although the focus was more on Entropia Universe. Interesting to read that 'outsiders' cleary believe RMT is a essential part of MMO's. This makes you wonder if n00bs are also under the impression that RMT is accepted? Perhaps something needs to be done on the communcation aspect as well. Include some warnings/explanations in the account confirmation mail perhaps?
NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:01:00 - [326] Hi guys, here's your Monday update: The two week ban for most is coming to an end. The big question that needs to be asked is, are those same players going to continue to use bots and find themselvs in a 30 day ban? Website A remains quiet in an effort to not scare away potential customers. Same with Website B. So, I decided to take the initative. I became a member of website B's forum, and I posted a topic with a title similar to "Is it safe to use macros?". and in that thread I simply asked if people where still getting banned and if their macro was safe to use. The thread would not post, it sent me to a page saying "Your thread will be reviewed by a moderator and then posted." I then later got an email from the main programmer saying this: "Your topic ** was disapproved by a moderator for the fallowing reason: This issue has allready been discussed.....please don't open any more posts. A few players seem to have been banned for 14 days, but the majority is safe. Just don't run the bot 23/7" Accurate report, or attempted damage control? Website C is celebrating the 14day ban being lifted by updating their bot and releasing it back out to their subscribers. The new deployment is scheduled for today, so we'll see how that goes. The post on their forum indicated that several features have been removed from the bot to get it to work with the new CCP patches. Posted by bot programmer. "It is time I bring good tidings amidst all the drama. Most preliminary work on BOTNAME** has been completed and is currently in testing and I expect (read hope) to roll out the release tomorrow or Monday. Note: I have been running an unstable version for the last few (5-6) days for about 12 hours per day and have not been banned on any of the 12 accounts that I am running. However, in order to coop with the changed environment (reference to CCP gearing up the war against botters) several features have been temporarily removed. These features are; POS support Coorporation hangar support Mining crystal support Drones I fully expect these features to return within the next few weeks." DING DING DING DING Round Two! Good luck CCP.
NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:05:00 - [327] Originally by: Kraizer793 But seriously though, nice work on this. It's high time that someone took it into their own hands on a larger scale like this. Yet, I think Hulkageddon still has you beat for upsetting Botters LOL o well. It's hard to compete with 20 thousand dead hulks...
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:15:00 - [328] Originally by: NinjaSpud Originally by: Kraizer793 But seriously though, nice work on this. It's high time that someone took it into their own hands on a larger scale like this. Yet, I think Hulkageddon still has you beat for upsetting Botters LOL o well. It's hard to compete with 20 thousand dead hulks... Don't compete. Work with.
Iarga	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:32:00 - [329] @NinjaSpud i sure hope not that they are returning to normal....i even started ice mining again...price is up up up usualy in the icebelt im in there where EVERY day 23/7 around 30 pilots in the icebelt today it was just me and 1 other pilot (the rest of the time its usualy 4-5 at most) SO CCP..HUNT..BAN.
Damien Grimm Muutaras	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:04:00 - [330] CCP needs to sticky this thread.



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