Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:32:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Korg Leaf on 31/05/2011 21:37:40 Edited by: Korg Leaf on 31/05/2011 21:34:54
Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 21:24:42
Originally by: Korg Leaf Edited by: Korg Leaf on 31/05/2011 21:02:35
Originally by: RougeOperator fits
Again NO booster on machariel means you arnt doing the situation I have repeatedly laid out. Also Zors Hyperlink should be part of your speed set in that calculation. Heat speed should be over 3300.
Also 1 armor plate? wtf are you doing! That thing will get ripped up with only one plate.
With three plates the bhaalgorns overheated speed drops to 1120m/s and with the zor's implant on the Machariel its speed jumps to 548m/s.
Seeing as it was a discussion about range dictation the tanks are irrelevant really (plates I admit do alter things LOADS). With a booster on the Machariel, it makes its A. less cap stable and B. lowers the cap independant tank (buffer), I was trying to give the Machariel a chance in the whole neuting game.
So with making the changes you recommend, the range dictation argument changed by exactly nothing.
BTW to get a speed above 3300m/s you need High grade snakes and dual nanos and even then dual webbed you are slower than a triple plated bhaalgorn. Admittedly the difference is only 500m/s in that situation.
edit. I have only been arguing that in the OPs situation a single bhaalgorn would kill at least 1 of the two machariels and if the other hasnt run already both of them. Im not going to go say that bhaalgorns are better small gang boats, they are better in some situations and worse in others.
edit2. Im not arguing what are better fits for either ships I was only pointing out about range dictation, some people prefer to buffer shield their machs and others active shield, I had an old corp mate who armor tanked his.
-------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! |
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:37:00 -
[92]
Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 21:39:03 Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 21:37:56
Originally by: Korg Leaf Edited by: Korg Leaf on 31/05/2011 21:32:35
Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 21:24:42
Originally by: Korg Leaf Edited by: Korg Leaf on 31/05/2011 21:02:35
Originally by: RougeOperator fits
Again NO booster on machariel means you arnt doing the situation I have repeatedly laid out. Also Zors Hyperlink should be part of your speed set in that calculation. Heat speed should be over 3300.
Also 1 armor plate? wtf are you doing! That thing will get ripped up with only one plate.
With three plates the bhaalgorns overheated speed drops to 1120m/s and with the zor's implant on the Machariel its speed jumps to 548m/s.
Seeing as it was a discussion about range dictation the tanks are irrelevant really (plates I admit do alter things LOADS). With a booster on the Machariel, it makes its A. less cap stable and B. lowers the cap independant tank (buffer), I was trying to give the Machariel a chance in the whole neuting game.
So with making the changes you recommend, the range dictation argument changed by exactly nothing.
BTW to get a speed above 3300m/s you need High grade snakes and dual nanos and even then dual webbed you are slower than a triple plated bhaalgorn. Admittedly the difference is only 500m/s in that situation.
One nano and low grade snake gets you over 3350 with booster. You are doing 3600 with high grades with booster. By time your Bhaal fit catches up its already dead vs most Mach fits and tactics I have faced. Even worse if its two.
Most mach pilots use and alt booster. Not using them in most calculations is like not including tackle on a PvP rifter. Its the reality.
|
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:48:00 -
[93]
Quote: Most mach pilots use and alt booster. Not using them in most calculations is like not including tackle on a PvP rifter. Its the reality.
And likewise not assuming the same calculations on BOTH sides of an imbalance issue is just plain silly. Its not an imbalance issue at that point, it's whining. Of course Steve Carwin AND Broc Lesnar can beat Kane Valasquez. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
|
Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:48:00 -
[94]
Originally by: RougeOperator quotes
With a booster, low grades and a single nano you top out at 3600m/s overheated, this is all based the copy of eft I just downloaded from the forum.
Even if the mach was going over 5km/s it would still be slower than the triple plated bhaalgorn when double webbed. This bhaalgorn also has the range to start damaging the machariel from inside its web range (regardless of boosters) and has roughly 200k ehp(with low grade slaves and two plates) buffer you would need to chew through before it covers the 6-20km (depending on whether there are boosters involved or not) to get you into neut range then your tank disappears.
With a double plate and slaves the bhaalgorns tank is at roughly 201k ehp and 700dps with scorch, once it dual webs the Machariel its faster (the machariel would need to be faster than it can actually be to still be faster) then the Machariel would have to hope its tank holds long enough for it to chew through the Bhaalgorns buffer before the Bhaalgorn gets the Machariel into its Neut range, this could be anywhere from 6km to 20km but its still unlikely to happen.
-------------------------------------------- Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! |
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:49:00 -
[95]
Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 21:31:24
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Originally by: RougeOperator
You don't even have a BS kill on your most recent page. looking over your last30 kills its all t1 battlecruisers, caracals, and thrashers/coercers. You're trying to tell me you are some sort of elite pvp'er? just stfu.
Yeah those are a whole bunch less dangerous then noob ships and capsules in high sec.
He mad!
The only capsules I kill are from popped wartargets, you are bad at this. I've killed one noobship in the last 6 months. You are as bad at this as you are at theorycrafting.
Highsec wars are way more fun that lowsec. lowsec is boring and amateurish. as evidenced by your kills.
|
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 21:55:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Korg Leaf
Originally by: RougeOperator quotes
With a booster, low grades and a single nano you top out at 3600m/s overheated, this is all based the copy of eft I just downloaded from the forum.
Even if the mach was going over 5km/s it would still be slower than the triple plated bhaalgorn when double webbed. This bhaalgorn also has the range to start damaging the machariel from inside its web range (regardless of boosters) and has roughly 200k ehp(with low grade slaves and two plates) buffer you would need to chew through before it covers the 6-20km (depending on whether there are boosters involved or not) to get you into neut range then your tank disappears.
With a double plate and slaves the bhaalgorns tank is at roughly 201k ehp and 700dps with scorch, once it dual webs the Machariel its faster (the machariel would need to be faster than it can actually be to still be faster) then the Machariel would have to hope its tank holds long enough for it to chew through the Bhaalgorns buffer before the Bhaalgorn gets the Machariel into its Neut range, this could be anywhere from 6km to 20km but its still unlikely to happen.
The mach gets to decide if he fights or not. He also has plenty of time to get away if webbed out to 50km and take shots at the bhaal to see how tough the tank is. He just warps off if its too tough.
Look Rep fleet warp diruptor has a 45 km rang boosted and over heated. While the Bhaal in the situation of jumping into the mach that isnt boosted has a range of 36 with its unboosted webs. It just dies.
But the point remains that the Bhaal could never solo it as the only way it can catch it is if something else ties down the mach so it can get in range. The Bhaal just is not the answer. The only answer is to blob the hell out of them while losing two or three ships in the process. Many times they still get away.
|
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 22:12:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 31/05/2011 22:14:39 Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 31/05/2011 22:14:15
Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 22:03:13
Originally by: Korg Leaf
Originally by: RougeOperator quotes
With a booster, low grades and a single nano you top out at 3600m/s overheated, this is all based the copy of eft I just downloaded from the forum.
Even if the mach was going over 5km/s it would still be slower than the triple plated bhaalgorn when double webbed. This bhaalgorn also has the range to start damaging the machariel from inside its web range (regardless of boosters) and has roughly 200k ehp(with low grade slaves and two plates) buffer you would need to chew through before it covers the 6-20km (depending on whether there are boosters involved or not) to get you into neut range then your tank disappears.
With a double plate and slaves the bhaalgorns tank is at roughly 201k ehp and 700dps with scorch, once it dual webs the Machariel its faster (the machariel would need to be faster than it can actually be to still be faster) then the Machariel would have to hope its tank holds long enough for it to chew through the Bhaalgorns buffer before the Bhaalgorn gets the Machariel into its Neut range, this could be anywhere from 6km to 20km but its still unlikely to happen.
The mach gets to decide if he fights or not. He also has plenty of time to get away if webbed out to 50km and take shots at the bhaal to see how tough the tank is. He just warps off if its too tough.
Look Rep fleet warp diruptor has a 45 km rang boosted and over heated. While the Bhaal in the situation of jumping into the mach that isnt boosted has a range of 36 with its unboosted webs. It just dies.
But the point remains that the Bhaal could never solo it as the only way it can catch it is if something else ties down the mach so it can get in range. The Bhaal just is not the answer. The only answer is to blob the hell out of them while losing two or three ships in the process. Many times they still get away.
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
The only capsules I kill are from popped wartargets, you are bad at this. I've killed one noobship in the last 6 months. You are as bad at this as you are at theorycrafting.
Highsec wars are way more fun that lowsec. lowsec is boring and amateurish. as evidenced by your kills.
You want to throw your hat into the ring in a discussion about PvP when you barley kill anything on a regular basis and its all Highsec kills against noobs. You have no right to be saying anything to anyone about PvP.
Also get your eyes checked you have two noob ship kills on your first page.
As for high sec, enjoy your missions carebear. Come to low sec when you get a chance to see amateur PvPers. We will be here waiting for you.
Wardec me if you are any kind of a pvper, see how it goes. Are you blind in not seeing wormhole kills? Have you ever wardecced an alliance with a one man corp? Have you ever noticed that you spelt Rogue incorrectly? I'm guessing the answer is no to all three. With over 1000+ kills, I have EVERY right to comment on any pvp discussion whatsoever. Especially since the majority of my kills are solo, and VS expensive ships unlike your mutliple t1 BC kills/destroyer kills.
|
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 22:24:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Wardec me if you are any kind of a pvper, see how it goes. Are you blind in not seeing wormhole kills? Have you ever wardecced an alliance with a one man corp? Have you ever noticed that you spelt Rogue incorrectly? I'm guessing the answer is no to all three. With over 1000+ kills, I have EVERY right to comment on any pvp discussion whatsoever. Especially since the majority of my kills are solo, and VS expensive ships unlike your mutliple t1 BC kills/destroyer kills.
Pure delusion.
I dont have to wardec you if you just come to low sec, ill make a note to shoot you when you do. OH right thats risky, cant have that.You gots to keep soloing mission runners right!
Yeah cheap stuff all those carrier and faction ship and t2 kills im on are cheap.
The ridiculousness of your comments is off the charts.
|
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 23:13:00 -
[99]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Wardec me if you are any kind of a pvper, see how it goes. Are you blind in not seeing wormhole kills? Have you ever wardecced an alliance with a one man corp? Have you ever noticed that you spelt Rogue incorrectly? I'm guessing the answer is no to all three. With over 1000+ kills, I have EVERY right to comment on any pvp discussion whatsoever. Especially since the majority of my kills are solo, and VS expensive ships unlike your mutliple t1 BC kills/destroyer kills.
Pure delusion.
I dont have to wardec you if you just come to low sec, ill make a note to shoot you when you do. OH right thats risky, cant have that.You gots to keep soloing mission runners right!
Yeah cheap stuff all those carrier and faction ship and t2 kills im on are cheap.
The ridiculousness of your comments is off the charts.
lol look who is mad. Listen, i'm not even kidding around, look at your kills, all t1 BC, and destroyers while i am solo killing golems abbadons and god knows what else. Proof is in the killmails dude. I've done lowsec, i've done nullsec, and the sweetest tears are in empire. The noobs always want ships nerfed and whine about this and that. Don't know why i bother.
|
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 23:35:00 -
[100]
Edited by: RougeOperator on 31/05/2011 23:41:00
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
lol look who is mad. Listen, i'm not even kidding around, look at your kills, all t1 BC, and destroyers while i am solo killing golems abbadons and god knows what else. Proof is in the killmails dude. Not only that, but I dont think I see a single solo kill on there, you are too afraid to do it, zero balls. I've done lowsec, i've done nullsec, and the sweetest tears are in empire. The noobs always want ships nerfed and whine about this and that. Don't know why i bother.
LAWL just checked BC, you fly prophecies and ravens. Holy horrible, no wonder you have no interaction with faction BS unless they are killing you. Do you even own one?
If you look now you will see the POS We killed. Everyone will look and compare our KBs and laugh their asses off at what you are spewing.
You saying me killing BCs is somehow bad is funny as hell to anyone that actually does real PvP. You see Im no longer actually talking to you. Im talking to the audience that is reading your posts and following them as small as they may be. Since talking to you is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.
|
|
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 23:41:00 -
[101]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
lol look who is mad. Listen, i'm not even kidding around, look at your kills, all t1 BC, and destroyers while i am solo killing golems abbadons and god knows what else. Proof is in the killmails dude. Not only that, but I dont think I see a single solo kill on there, you are too afraid to do it, zero balls. I've done lowsec, i've done nullsec, and the sweetest tears are in empire. The noobs always want ships nerfed and whine about this and that. Don't know why i bother.
LAWL just checked BC, you fly prophecies and ravens. Holy horrible, no wonder you have no interaction with faction BS unless they are killing you. Do you even own one?
If you look now you will see the POS We killed. Everyone will look and compare our KBs and laugh their asses off at what you are spewing.
You saying me killing BCs is somehow bad is funny as hell to anyone that actually does real PvP. You see Im no longer actually talking to you. Im talking to the audience that is reading your posts and following them as small as they may be. Since talking to is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.
Fly a raven about it
|
Voith
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 00:10:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Goose99 5 100mil t2 hac/recons = 500 mil 2 1bil Mach = 2 bil
That's actually pretty good efficiency. What is there to whine about again?
This type of idiocy is what gave us super caps.
|
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 00:23:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Goose99 5 100mil t2 hac/recons = 500 mil 2 1bil Mach = 2 bil
That's actually pretty good efficiency. What is there to whine about again?
This type of idiocy is what gave us super caps.
I actually hinted about that very point in my first post.
|
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:20:00 -
[104]
This guy posting about how a Macherial can kill a Bhaalgorn is pretty funny, The fact that the Mach would be double webbed and slower than the Bhaalgorn and the fact that the Mach cannot run its MWD for long under the Bhaals neuts seems to completely escape him.
|
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:33:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran This guy posting about how a Macherial can kill a Bhaalgorn is pretty funny, The fact that the Mach would be double webbed and slower than the Bhaalgorn and the fact that the Mach cannot run its MWD for long under the Bhaals neuts seems to completely escape him.
So do you normally go about posting without reading and understanding the situation and what has been talked about?
I hope not its shows a lack of intelligence.
|
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:38:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 01/06/2011 02:43:24
Originally by: RougeOperator I hope not its shows a lack of intelligence.
Irony ITP.
EDIT
The content of the posting is pretty clear, you are either stupid or trolling and claiming that a Bhaalgorn is not a good counter for a Macherial and having lost the logical argument you have resorted to hurf blurfing about kill boards and other types of straw manning.
I think perhaps that I have a better grasp of whats going on in this thread than you have.
|
Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:52:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Cloora on 01/06/2011 02:53:56 The way the thread was going I was about to go buy a Bhaalgorn since I have a character that can fly it with all skills at level V. However, with the way the argument has been going I'm not positive anymore.
Plus the machs i fight also run with a Rapier, Arazu Rook and a Cheeta with a cyno where they hot drop caps if I was to commit a billion ISK ship to the fight. INvicta guys most of them ------------------------------------------
CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products |
RougeOperator
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:10:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 01/06/2011 02:43:24
Originally by: RougeOperator I hope not its shows a lack of intelligence.
Irony ITP.
EDIT
The content of the posting is pretty clear, you are either stupid or trolling and claiming that a Bhaalgorn is not a good counter for a Macherial and having lost the logical argument you have resorted to hurf blurfing about kill boards and other types of straw manning.
I think perhaps that I have a better grasp of whats going on in this thread than you have.
At least know what strawman means before you toss it around.
|
Asuka Smith
Gallente The 8th Order
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:17:00 -
[109]
You guys arguing that a Bhaalgorn is a good counter are using the exact same specious argument that was used to defend nanos as a whole back when they did the nano nerf.
People would say "well all you need is a rapier, so it's balanced", but that argument was specious because a nanogang could engage any target BUT a rapier, and could only be effectively engaged by a Rapier. That isn't balance.
A Machariel can engage ANY ship besides a Bhaalgorn, they go faster than most armor tanked HACs or hell most HACs in general, they can go around and stir up hell and completely demolish basically every single gang, and the only way to effectively counter them is to have a Bhaalgorn. Here is a thought, why would I be within web range of a Bhaalgorn? Why wouldn't I just avoid fighting any gang that has Bhaalgorn support? (I'm faster than their gang and their Bhaalgorn so unless I'm on grid in range of their bhaalgorn already it isn't going to kill me).
The Angel line is a throwback to the nano days and is basically totally OP.
|
Naomi Knight
Amarr
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:57:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Asuka Smith You guys arguing that a Bhaalgorn is a good counter are using the exact same specious argument that was used to defend nanos as a whole back when they did the nano nerf.
People would say "well all you need is a rapier, so it's balanced", but that argument was specious because a nanogang could engage any target BUT a rapier, and could only be effectively engaged by a Rapier. That isn't balance.
A Machariel can engage ANY ship besides a Bhaalgorn, they go faster than most armor tanked HACs or hell most HACs in general, they can go around and stir up hell and completely demolish basically every single gang, and the only way to effectively counter them is to have a Bhaalgorn. Here is a thought, why would I be within web range of a Bhaalgorn? Why wouldn't I just avoid fighting any gang that has Bhaalgorn support? (I'm faster than their gang and their Bhaalgorn so unless I'm on grid in range of their bhaalgorn already it isn't going to kill me).
The Angel line is a throwback to the nano days and is basically totally OP.
Nonono Angle ships arent op they are just minmatar. See matar players have to have an edge vs everything or they fail miserably.
Ever thought why matar ships are the best in nearly every class?? Because they need that in order to compensate their lack of skill and poor tactics. The only problem happens when capable people jump behind a matar ship's wheel,then it becomes totally op.
|
|
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 04:58:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Asuka Smith You guys arguing that a Bhaalgorn is a good counter are using the exact same specious argument that was used to defend nanos as a whole back when they did the nano nerf.
People would say "well all you need is a rapier, so it's balanced", but that argument was specious because a nanogang could engage any target BUT a rapier, and could only be effectively engaged by a Rapier. That isn't balance.
A Machariel can engage ANY ship besides a Bhaalgorn, they go faster than most armor tanked HACs or hell most HACs in general, they can go around and stir up hell and completely demolish basically every single gang, and the only way to effectively counter them is to have a Bhaalgorn. Here is a thought, why would I be within web range of a Bhaalgorn? Why wouldn't I just avoid fighting any gang that has Bhaalgorn support? (I'm faster than their gang and their Bhaalgorn so unless I'm on grid in range of their bhaalgorn already it isn't going to kill me).
The Angel line is a throwback to the nano days and is basically totally OP.
The Machariel tank is horrible and it's signature radius is huge, it doesn't have to be a bhaalg shooting it, just has to be something that can track it/hit itto range. Now holding it down is another matter entirely and isn't that what Angel ships are supposed to be good at?
|
Asuka Smith
Gallente The 8th Order
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 09:39:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Originally by: Asuka Smith You guys arguing that a Bhaalgorn is a good counter are using the exact same specious argument that was used to defend nanos as a whole back when they did the nano nerf.
People would say "well all you need is a rapier, so it's balanced", but that argument was specious because a nanogang could engage any target BUT a rapier, and could only be effectively engaged by a Rapier. That isn't balance.
A Machariel can engage ANY ship besides a Bhaalgorn, they go faster than most armor tanked HACs or hell most HACs in general, they can go around and stir up hell and completely demolish basically every single gang, and the only way to effectively counter them is to have a Bhaalgorn. Here is a thought, why would I be within web range of a Bhaalgorn? Why wouldn't I just avoid fighting any gang that has Bhaalgorn support? (I'm faster than their gang and their Bhaalgorn so unless I'm on grid in range of their bhaalgorn already it isn't going to kill me).
The Angel line is a throwback to the nano days and is basically totally OP.
The Machariel tank is horrible and it's signature radius is huge, it doesn't have to be a bhaalg shooting it, just has to be something that can track it/hit itto range. Now holding it down is another matter entirely and isn't that what Angel ships are supposed to be good at?
Too good at it. Just like nanos were.
|
Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 10:58:00 -
[113]
Mach gang fight
Face it you invest 1 bil into a ship , you do not want to lose it - if I fly a mach in pvp I want a scimi or 6 and I want a freaking off grid booster and probably a dictor to keep you from running. Stop it with the freaking fantasy spaceship card trading.
People like to hold onto their expensive ships or they don't fly them at all.
|
TaluxA
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:14:00 -
[114]
I keep reading people saying the mach has horrible ehp. Doesn't it get 100k EHP, though? That seems like quite a lot for a ship that's essentially as fast as a cruiser.
|
Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:21:00 -
[115]
A proteus can have a mil EHP, the signature of a pinhead and it is a cruiser. What's your point?
|
Asuka Smith
Gallente The 8th Order
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:54:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Songbird A proteus can have a mil EHP, the signature of a pinhead and it is a cruiser. What's your point?
1. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, not a lot of people can afford the fanciest toys, and just because you can doesn't mean they should be completely broken. "I got mine" is not a balance argument.
2. A Proteus with a million EHP can't disengage, when he commits he is in point range and either wins or loses. The freedom to run from anything that you can't beat, and the strength to beat anything but the most absurd gangs configured specifically with your Machariel gang in mind is NOT balanced.
|
TaluxA
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:58:00 -
[117]
Edited by: TaluxA on 01/06/2011 11:59:32 How do you get a million ehp out of a proteus, out of interest? In eft I can only get a few hundred thousand using t2 armor rigs (lol), which makes it slower than a battlecruiser and incredibly expensive. Also that kind of fitting has no range and barely any ability to disengage.
|
Van Steiza
Battlestars S E D I T I O N
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 12:03:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Van Steiza on 01/06/2011 12:05:13 RougeOperator
Come on mate.
I am a Bhaalgorn Pilot I go out and about soloing in my Bhaali.
My fit is not pure buffer but has 250k of ehp and a single core x type repper dual webs and the like.
I have engaged many machariels and the only reason why i have not killed one solo in the bhaalgorn is when ever i have been engaged by a machariel they have had all sorts of support falcons scimis rapiers etc they are rarely alone.
I do usualy get a minute or 2 of engagement solo before there support arrives and I am a solo pilotI have a 50km overload range for my Fed navy webs they cannot move faster then my plated repped Bhaalgorn and they go down like a sack of poo when hit with Em ive nearly killed a machariel with my dual webbing tempest again he was not alone and i got jammed.
The point your making that there so overpowered is ridiculous If i had faced those machariels in a 1v1 situation or any of the others i have fought they would have died but as with eve alot of fights are never 1v1 I am a solo pilot but alot of the fights I get into are not solo fights so i am designed to fight outnumbered.
Machs are very easy to kill all it takes is experiance some witts and patience.
There not easy and thats what makes it fun to fight.
I use to fly machs but there so boring to fly everyone and there dog has one same reason i dont fly cynabals.
There great ships but there easily killed and countered. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters. |
Dr Fighter
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 12:04:00 -
[119]
the fastest ship will AWAYS be the best for outnumbered fights no matter the cost, whatever is fastest after the next nerf will be next to BE nerfed.
Speed therefore range control is HUGLY important in a heavy stratagy game like this with vastly changing numbers, and therefore will always be hugly desirable.
solution: perhaps make slow ships' tanks more tanker and the speedyer ones even less?
Tho personnely i think a mach thats not pimped compared to other non pimped bs isnt all that overpowered, and in most cases once tackled goes down faster than any other bs!!!
|
Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.06.01 12:13:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Asuka Smith
2. A Proteus with a million EHP can't disengage, when he commits he is in point range and either wins or loses. The freedom to run from anything that you can't beat, and the strength to beat anything but the most absurd gangs configured specifically with your Machariel gang in mind is NOT balanced.
Again with the fantasy ship card trading games.
There's very few absolutes in this game- a Proteus that has invested to have a million EHP is most likely there to hold you down while the rest of it's fleet arrives.
Also - and fantasizing here, I hope you have the time to read my bull crap, which is as likely to happen as pigs growing wings and flapping into the skies - in a 1:1 situation it is extremely likely that the Proteus will carry ECM drones which will let it disengage. Also there's probably 5 other ways in which a ship can disengage - like logging off, neuting the crap out of you, boring you to death , while you pluck at it with your 22 dps fit, going through a gate , going through a WH, overloading it's 100mn AB, while keeping your MWD turned off with it's 22 km scrambler, paying you off, calling you funny names, until you get ****ed off and do some bannable offense, offering to cyber. If you get my drift - it is a sandbox, don't tell me my proteus can't disengage.
And don't tell me a machariel cannot be held down by that same proteus. I'll scan your ass, land on top of you, scramble your ass down and web you and then hit you with blasters so hard that the 100k ehp will melt in about a minute.
And good luck going through my cruiser sized fat ass of a buffer.
But enough of that fantasy Eve, wake up and smell the vacuum and don't bother screaming.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |