So as long as they "pay enough", anything goes?

You said the CSM was a null sec joke. Explain what you mean by that.

Or for the simple answer it is just a Null sec lobby group, yes it is more diverse now but the core seems to be focused on Null, see their latest document.

No but an extra 2 bill for an account just to vote, people are quite likely to just keep the extra account up and running and actually do something with it to benifit the game its self, even if it is just PI or a research alt.

Or for the simple answer it is just a Null sec lobby group, yes it is more diverse now but the core seems to be focused on Null, see their latest document.

Let's make it 6 months then.

Where do you think the most work needs to be done to eve?

6 moths would be a tad silly and players should have a fair knowledge after 3 with the ablity to make an informed vote.

Me personally my top 3 are

1. POs's
2. Corporate Management
3. Null sec

In that order but as I am part of a minority as well I presume the Majority would argue with me as I am sure Mission runners would like some new missions as repeating the current set over and over is enough to want to make you kill yourself.
Also I am sure the lo-sec guys will tell you it is lo-sec and FW still needing a lot more work

And lets not forget War decs, so unbelievable stuffed that if they put the old system back it would be a ten fold improvement.

Let's make sure we're just getting people who are properly enthusiastic about voting, shall we?

Me personally my top 3 are

1. POs's
2. Corporate Management
3. Null sec

In that order but as I am part of a minority as well I presume the Majority would argue with me as I am sure Mission runners would like some new missions as repeating the current set over and over is enough to want to make you kill yourself.
Also I am sure the lo-sec guys will tell you it is lo-sec and FW still needing a lot more work

And lets not forget War decs, so unbelievable stuffed that if they put the old system back it would be a ten fold improvement.

Enthusiasm has nothing to do with it it is just closing a wound on the voting system.

Yes sweet bugger all but that was not due to CSM 6 or CSM 7, CCP practically filtered out their Null sec requests and went for a lot of other things they pushed for (Well individuals pushed for mostly, FW being the big winner there). As to POS and corp management they are in the coming soon but closer than Null pile.

From what was said by the CSM Null sec has now moved to the coming soon somewhere on the road map mark. Personally i would like to see it fixed but it has been stuffed so many times and some of these due to CSM ideas that it has not gotten the perception of beating a dead horse.

You wanted it closed, let's do it properly, then. 6 months.


So if the CSM having a few people from nullsec alliances hasn't gotten CCP to focus squarely on nullsec, what's the problem? Why ***** about how the CSM is a "null sec joke"?

You wanted it closed, let's do it properly, then. 6 months.


So if the CSM having a few people from nullsec alliances hasn't gotten CCP to focus squarely on nullsec, what's the problem? Why ***** about how the CSM is a "null sec joke"?

Because it acting like a Null sec lobby is not doing much for the CSM its self and really is minimalising its role and usefulness to the community.

Although it has managed to achieve in areas where it is has some members like mining and FW these are not the areas that the CSM as a whole push. So if it wishes to be a community representative it needs to act like one not just a Null lobby with some rouge agents that manage to get things done.

From my POV, this CSM has been fairly limpwristed, and I don't put that down to where people in it come from, more how little they seem to be pushing CCP to fixing the right things.

How much of that is reality and how much of that is just the fact they haven't been as effective in communicating what they do to the playerbase, remains to be seen.

Issler

Zim, you forgot to switch characters.

Zim, you forgot to switch characters.

Nice, another conspiracy theory!

Issler

Because it acting like a Null sec lobby is not doing much for the CSM its self and really is minimalising its role and usefulness to the community.

Although it has managed to achieve in areas where it is has some members like mining and FW these are not the areas that the CSM as a whole push. So if it wishes to be a community representative it needs to act like one not just a Null lobby with some rouge agents that manage to get things done.

You keep arguing like the job of CSM members is to push for this portion of the population or that population depending on who voted them into office. Read the white paper. Our obligation is to represent the playerbase, not special interests, to CCP.

So instead of trying to categorize everyone and label us as lobbyists for one party or another, why don't you take a deep breath, and start over by explaining why you don't think 0.0 deserves attention after several years of neglect? Maybe you can also explain why the CSM as a whole would need to push FW when CCP's already agreed to work on it, and they get expert council from myself (and making unprecedented use of my feedback as well)? Where is the sense of urgency where the CSM needs to waste their unanimous voice promoting something that's already happening?

Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions? Surely these are tough questions for other Faction Warfare enthusiasts to hear from someone like myself, but we have to be honest with ourselves here.

Don't get me wrong - I'm incredibly grateful that they dedicated the resources they have to Faction Warfare and other gameplay systems that affect lowsec. I believe they were dollars well-spent. But CCP needs to spend a well rounded amount of time on a well rounded number of players groups - and its just simply fact that 0.0 pilots have received some of the least development attention of any for years now.

These are objective issues - how much development time has been spent on which area of space is easily researched and demonstrated. You continued attempts to politicize this and turn it into "these people" sticking up for "that group" demonstrate either a lack of understanding or a lack of care for the responsibilities of the CSM - who get elected through votes but should always serve the needs of the community and the game as a whole.

Nullsec needs serious work. Mining and Industry need serious work. POS's need serious work. These really aren't facts that are debated much amongst savvy, informed players who understand the game at its core. And thus we must make these realities clear to CCP, regardless of what player group we belong to.

Issler

You keep arguing like the job of CSM members is to push for this portion of the population or that population depending on who voted them into office. Read the white paper. Our obligation is to represent the playerbase, not special interests, to CCP.

So instead of trying to categorize everyone and label us as lobbyists for one party or another, why don't you take a deep breath, and start over by explaining why you don't think 0.0 deserves attention after several years of neglect? Maybe you can also explain why the CSM as a whole would need to push FW when CCP's already agreed to work on it, and they get expert council from myself (and making unprecedented use of my feedback as well)? Where is the sense of urgency where the CSM needs to waste their unanimous voice promoting something that's already happening?

Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions? Surely these are tough questions for other Faction Warfare enthusiasts to hear from someone like myself, but we have to be honest with ourselves here. Don't get me wrong - I'm incredibly grateful that they dedicated the resources they have to Faction Warfare and other gameplay systems that affect lowsec. I believe they were dollars well-spent. But CCP needs to spend a well rounded amount of time on a well rounded number of players groups - and its just simply fact that 0.0 pilots have received some of the least development attention of any for years now.

These are objective issues - how much development time has been spent on which area of space is easily researched and demonstrated. You continued attempts to politicize this and turn it into "these people" sticking up for "that group" demonstrate either a lack of understanding or a lack of care for the responsibilities of the CSM - who get elected through votes but should always serve the needs of the community and the game as a whole.

Nullsec needs serious work. Mining and Industry need serious work. POS's need serious work. These really aren't facts that are debated much amongst savvy, informed players who understand the game at its core. And thus we must make these realities clear to CCP, regardless of what player group we belong to.

Issler

Sorry, but just kill the CSM. Let CCP send out up and down votes via cash playing players. It stop the silly stuff. ( I respect the CSM, I just think it is system that cannot work. )

This was the first year I voted for CSM and I really didn't like the way it was arranged. I think a better system would be to have specific interest slots and have people run for those areas. So null sec gets one slot, high one, low one, industry, faction warfare, mercenary.... whatever areas of the game that need to be included which is probably the most difficult part to narrow down.

Each player gets to vote for one third of the total number of slots. Whether they put all their votes on one candidate or spread them out is up to the player. In the end the candidates have to choose which area of the game they want to represent and the players should feel like their vote counted towards the areas they want to see improvements.

It has been repeatedly proven that this will hav the exact opposite effect that you intend, essentially you'll just hand all of the CSM to the largest voting bloc, rather than just a couple of seats. One word: ALTS.

The current system is actually the most favourable for minority interests.

EDIT: Unless of course that you're going to propose that CCP audit literally not only each candidate but every vote that's cast in order to make sure that only the "right" peiople can vote. Can you make a business case for the thousands of hours of work that this would take?

Had any thought been given to a constituency type election model? [ Eve map divided into 14 constituencies, boundaries drawn up to ensure equal population via player med clone preference] Not saying this would be easy to implement or preferable over another electoral system, just interested if it was considered.

Has any thought also been given to increasing participation of the electorate in the voting process? I know that participation levels have been steadily increasing, however, is there a case to be made for enforced voting - maybe as part of the logon process?