I want proof that this STV idea was discussed in previous CSM.

It's not STV. Stop calling it STV.

I have a question for Trebor et. al:

Why do you feel the need to focus on reforming the election process and how is your point about the BIG BAD VOTING BLOCKS valid?

Changes for the sake of changes would be the innocent assumption here but I can see how that is not the case.

The issue I have with STV is that making voting *harder* isn't going to increase voter turnout numbers. Certainly the system Trebor proposed has some downsides, but one thing it does get right is that the voters wouldn't have to expend much more effort.

As someone who was elected from a smallish community, my worry is that in the future there might be 4 or 5 wormhole dudes running, and I don't want to see that mean that nobody from w-space gets elected. Avoiding that sort of scenario is my #1 requirement for a new voting system. My other desired features:

2) Encourage a broad representation on the CSM. Having a FW guy, or a wormhole guy, or a highsec guy on the CSM is really useful when we need a POV on issues that pertain to those communities.
3) Make voting easier, or at least as easy as it is currently.

How about this for an alternate proposal:

Run the election like true STV, but people pick a candidate and that candiate's list becomes their STV vote. It would also be nice to support people picking their own STV vote list, but that would take more dev time on CCP's part.

i like this guy he gets what the voters want.

also as i said before i think the csm has to be draged kicking and screaming into everyones mind that playes the game to get a true majority of the game voting.

however everyone should pick 3 candidates and the votes should never be in the candidates hands as that promots fixing if none of the 3 voted for guys make it the voter vote dosent get counted.

however everyone should pick 3 candidates and the votes should never be in the candidates hands as that promots fixing if none of the 3 voted for guys make it the voter vote dosent get counted.

You make absolutely no sense.

Everyone should pick 3 candidates, but the candidates should be unable to tell people who to vote for, and none of the 3 guys people vote for doesn't get counted?

I've literally no idea what the **** you're trying to get at, I can't deparse it.

He means the VOTERS should choose alternates, not have candidates themselves do it.

For example if a bunch of candidates choose one another.. but they're all too small all the votes go poof.

So you have to force the voters into things, that's what the voters want?

Nice.

It seems that way, but they aren't. A lot of that stems from the fact that the first session was documented using the transcript format we later decided was cumbersome, and tossed out. This left a lot of the players with the misunderstanding that the CSM cares more about its own internal bureaucratic structure than about the actual issues existing in the game.

Discussion about electoral reform has been kicked around for much longer than a few months, this is hardly some new, strange obsession of CSM7's. Players have been talking about this for years, and will very likely continue until we actually see electoral reform.

What's your stance on it? You typically remain politically neutral and never take a side on any argument. Are you for or against reform?

Looks like he was for it, until he saw the way the wind was blowing, then he switched over to "It's not mine! Nuh uh!".

Would prefer they do away with CSM and find some other way of creating a census with the userbase.

CSM 6 did a good job, so eliminating it outright because of two bad examples (CSM 5, CSM 7) is silly.

You can't make the CSM elections more public than last time without forcing everybody to vote.

really cause i heard squat i didnt even know the vote had come and gone. anyways i think im getting of point just making the say that it has be be put out plane smack in the face of everyone also.

CSM 6 did a good job, so eliminating it outright because of two bad examples (CSM 5, CSM 7) is silly.

It's been publicized on the login screen, on the character select, on the homepage, on the forums. Several candidates have sent out evemail spam. If you willingly ignore all of that, there's nothing left to do save for forcing you to vote.

there was nothing that stood out to make me pay atention and i got no mail from anyone in this mass spam

It's reasonable to assume that someone who's managed to avoid all exposure to the CSM process, yet who is forced to vote, will pick candidates at random. This means that it'll artificially inflate the perceived number of people who voted for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party candidate, while having no effect on the winner or their absolute margin of victory.