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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
101
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:12:00 -
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This is a silly way to run a vote.
The current system of players (and or there alt accounts) casting a vote for who they want to represent them in the CSM is a good enough system.
If you are not popular enough to gain enough votes by the players of eve then you better rethink your election campaign for the next time around.
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP. Senex Legio Recruiter Team |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:13:00 -
[572] - Quote
Nerf organized voting ITT Jade Constantine, self-made space harlot. News at 11. http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:15:00 -
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SavageBastard wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Likes for "redo democracy" proposal: 5 within 2 days Likes for "eat a phallus csm7" proposal: 45+ within 10 minutes Let them hate so long as they fear.
Caligula was just misunderstood. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:17:00 -
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What have you done for us lately CSM?
Get the overview standings bug fixed and quit screwing around with votes. |
Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:17:00 -
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Can I vote you're ********? Where is that in the ballot. Because seriously... you're f'ing ********.
This is about as useful as the CSM notes you published... you know the things no one could bother to possibly read because it was the textbook definition of TLDR.
Log in - Vote - Speak you mind - it's that simple.
The voting system works fine as it is. You just don't agree with a majority of voters and want a way to game the system. You must be a democrat.
If I could I would neg rep ***** slap you across the rooom for epic f'ing stupidity...
Get f'ed |
Eric Xallen
The New Era C0NVICTED
13
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:21:00 -
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This is a pretty bad proposal. At a minimum only the voter should be able to control preferences, allowing candidates to allocate votes to other candidates is just ******** and does the opposite to what the system is supposed to be intended for (unless its meant to be a corrupt system, then its doing what's on the box)
In RL countries where preferential votes are used, the people running can suggest preferences, but always, always, always, it is up to the voter where to direct preferences and candidates should never have any control over this past suggesting. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1341
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:24:00 -
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If a certain cross section of the player base doesn't feel like they are being accurately represented by the CSM, they ought to organize, mobilize, and vote.
To do anything else implies that the cross section is crippled in some way and must be propped up by artificial means. http://www.themittani.com Bringing balance to the world of Eve news |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
297
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:24:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.
I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?
This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors!
Don't worry folks, the CSM's hard at work redefining democracy. We'll get to critical issues as relates to gameplay after the winter summit. Summit notes to follow shortly after CSM 8 elections conclude. |
Mr Disco
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:27:00 -
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Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power? |
Win Sui
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:40:00 -
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This whole fiasco was so badly thought out and so cluelessly communicated (you really didn't expect people to have an issue with this?) that it brings into question the competence of the current CSM.
What's more, given this is the ONLY significant initiative we've heard of from them. Other than the 67 pages of 'notes' that were released, because noone could be arsed to actually parse what might be important to the community, or, more likely, simply didn't know.
Here's a hint - your job description doesn't include figuring out how to ensure you get to stay in power, it's to advocate to CCP for changes to the game that the players are asking for.
You haven't been in power for 25% of your term and this is your highest priority? wtf? |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1326
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:41:00 -
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Mr Disco wrote:Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power? EVE Online is bigger than just what occurs after you click the login button. They're playing it right now. On these forums. With us.
And it's starting to look like a welp. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Mr Disco
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:47:00 -
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Say what you want about the people in CSM 6. There are plenty of people with grudges out there. But if you compare the accomplishments of CSM 6 with the nonsense being spewed forth by CSM 7, it's all a joke. CSM 6 was truly the good ol' days. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:49:00 -
[583] - Quote
I don't often get into power, but when I do, I like making rules that ensure I stay there. who is your main, and what does he do? |
Shingyoku
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
8
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:49:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:Can I vote you're ********? Where is that in the ballot. Because seriously... you're f'ing ********.
This is about as useful as the CSM notes you published... you know the things no one could bother to possibly read because it was the textbook definition of TLDR.
Log in - Vote - Speak you mind - it's that simple.
The voting system works fine as it is. You just don't agree with a majority of voters and want a way to game the system. You must be a democrat.
If I could I would neg rep ***** slap you across the rooom for epic f'ing stupidity...
Get f'ed
While you're right on everything else it's the republicans trying to disenfranchise voters to try to win the election. If you're going to use a RL annology please get it right. |
SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:50:00 -
[585] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:The Mittani wrote:I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.
I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?
This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors! Don't worry folks, the CSM's hard at work redefining democracy. We'll get to critical issues as relates to gameplay after the winter summit. Summit notes to follow shortly after CSM 8 elections conclude.
So long as the game is broken in a way that reflects the Founding Fathers' vision, I feel like logging in is worth my time. |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1056
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:51:00 -
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Mr Disco wrote:Say what you want about the people in CSM 6. There are plenty of people with grudges out there. But if you compare the accomplishments of CSM 6 with the nonsense being spewed forth by CSM 7, it's all a joke. CSM 6 was truly the good ol' days.
In before someone calls you a Goon alt.
Dear CSM Members (not of my heart)-
For all the people touting on and on about how many terms they've served on the CSM there sure isn't a lot being done. Simply stated, do what people voted you in to do- stop CCP from screwing up our beloved space pixels, and stop trying to fix things that aren't broken when there is literally a mountain of broken mechanics to fix (although this alone alludes that half of you worthless nitpickers even know which mechanics are broken). Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
178
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:51:00 -
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Voting for the loser does not equal disenfranchisement, voting for the loser happens all the time in pretty much every democracy in the world.
If your attempt with a transferable vote system is to try to keep CFC and HBC candidates off the CFC then you didn't look at the CSM7 election results. Had the votes for MBIII and Akeri (sp) been transferred to Dovinian then he would have been quite a few spots higher on the CSM.
Frankly I dont know of any version of the transferable vote that isn't ripe for exploitation. The "one account one vote" system is probably the most fair to everyone, if you vote for a loser then welcome to democracy. And before anyone cries "alts", remember every one of those alts is a paid for account (trial accounts of course should be forbidden from voting), the person with multiple accounts has more time and money invested into EVE no reason why they shouldn't get a vote for each account. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1585
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:57:00 -
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Mr Disco wrote:Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power? Let's review what CSM 7 has been spending their time on according to their own notes, shall we?
1 - CSM: Introduction and White Paper discussions 2 - What is a Stakeholder? ========= Total: 40 pages
Industry and mining Starbase rework EVE/Dust link EVE UI Null sec Ship balance and iteration Content ======== Total: 35 pages |
SpudderNut
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:59:00 -
[589] - Quote
People voted for you to fix the game, not game the voting system which got you elected. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1327
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:59:00 -
[590] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Mr Disco wrote:Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power? Let's review what CSM 7 has been spending their time on according to their own notes, shall we? 1 - CSM: Introduction and White Paper discussions 2 - What is a Stakeholder? ========= Total: 40 pages Industry and mining Starbase rework EVE/Dust link EVE UI Null sec Ship balance and iteration Content ======== Total: 35 pages If I read them, will I be very disappointed ? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Ghazu
144
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:01:00 -
[591] - Quote
hey where's issler pants dainze |
CliveWarren
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:02:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:If I read them, will I be very disappointed ?
Like you wouldn't believe. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1585
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:02:00 -
[593] - Quote
new chairman, new person for issler to throw under the bus
(luv u miner's friend) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1327
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:04:00 -
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CliveWarren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:If I read them, will I be very disappointed ? Like you wouldn't believe. I'll do it next time I'm on a DBRB op.
Hey guys, let me tell you about the CSM's brave new voting system :shobon: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
CliveWarren
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:07:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I'll do it next time I'm on a DBRB op.
Hey guys, let me tell you about the CSM's brave new voting system :shobon:
I'm being 100% serious when I say I'd listen to DBRB for days on end rather than even attempt to read the summit minutes again. |
Skeith Oumis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:09:00 -
[596] - Quote
CliveWarren wrote:I'm being 100% serious when I say I'd listen to DBRB for days on end rather than even attempt to read the summit minutes again.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
631
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:09:00 -
[597] - Quote
Jake Rivers wrote:Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP. Name em? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1339
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:09:00 -
[598] - Quote
CliveWarren wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I'll do it next time I'm on a DBRB op.
Hey guys, let me tell you about the CSM's brave new voting system :shobon: I'm being 100% serious when I say I'd listen to DBRB for days on end rather than even attempt to read the summit minutes again. Ok, so I cheated, it seems I only go on bomber ops nowadays, where you can't talk in mumble because the poor FC has to listen to command chat (ie: Boat, you can hear him sometimes in the background when FC is speaking). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:10:00 -
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Seleene wrote:If you don't like this initial proposal, counter it with your own and let's see what we can all come up with.
Two step wrote: Any other actual ideas? I think it is quite clear that some folks don't like the system proposed in the OP, so lets talk alternatives.
I don't know if you've been reading all of the posts in this thread, but here's the link back to my proposal on page 14:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1898558#post1898558 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1589
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:[ If I read them, will I be very disappointed ? you would realize two step is the best nullsec representative in CSM7 despite not even living there |
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