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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Creetalor Worldwide sales figures Wii û 86.01 million Xbox 360 û 55 million PlayStation 3 û 50 million
Japan sales figures Wii û 11,534,590 PlayStation 3 û 6,341,950 Xbox 360 û 1,448,665
Europe sales figures PlayStation 3 û 16 million
United Kingdom sales figures Wii û 8.3 million Xbox 360 û 3.9 million PlayStation 3 - 3 million
Sales on wikipedia on the consoles the only country which has more PS3's is Japan
Nice bit of selective quoting thereà
Let's fill in the piece you skipped:
Europe sales figures Wii ù 24.9 million PlayStation 3 û 16 million Xbox 360 ù 13.7 million
So yeah, Japan is the only place where the PS3 has sold more than the 360à
Originally by: Phigmeta OK seriously ya PS3/CCP apologist; where do you get the "MS didn't want it" bull****?
Oh, here and thereà Most notably the known fact that XBL has more restrictive policies than PSN; that other developers have said the same thing; that CCP themselves hinted at this problem two years ago; that they're still hinting at that problem; and just some good old non-tinfoil logic.
Quote: Have any of you considered that the real reason is because CCP wanted to use their fail currency (AUR) and they really just want to bilk you poor idiots out of more cash?
Ehmà what? Why would they have made it an exclusive for that reason? Wouldn't it have been better to squeeze cash out of both 360 and PS3 owners? You're not making any sense hereà
Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim http://www.osnews.com/story/24820/Sony_Compromised_Again
Wow what next more free apology games
Now, you do know that Sony BMG isn't SCE, right? Why would they start handing out games? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Diethos Bones
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:45:00 -
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Screw it, CCP can make their own console!
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Mystical Might
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mystical Might on 07/06/2011 16:55:49
Originally by: Diethos Bones Screw it, CCP can make their own console!
DO NOT WANT:
Why? Because its deemed to go the way PS3 is going right now. Hackers Anonymous Haxing 4 da fun of it.
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They'd also have to apply patches to the software and such... and we all know how THAT Goes. Right CCP?
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Felo Maxun
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:58:00 -
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CCP Sreegs Can we get a promise that the "we ill inform you if we intend to share your data" bit wont simple be it hidden in a new T&C that appears on launch. As a number of us may only speed read this during an important log on. A sizeable announcement or an email with an option to opt out would do.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:58:00 -
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I own a ps3 and more than likely I will not be playing dust as like many other people I know my ps3 is simply a dust collector when PC content will always be superior. There is a silver lining to this fiasco and I believe people need to take advantage of the momentum that it's failure is going to carry.
Dust is going to be a very public and very telling example of how completely alienated the top level of CCP is from it's customer base and the wants and needs it avoids. When dust burns and fades within months of launch I do sincerely hope enough noise will be made to oust hilmar and the others at CCP who want to run the company into ground while shamelessly whoring this game out to the lowest common denominator.
It's a damn shame to think of the improvements that could have been made in light of the total waste of men and material to put out a joke of a game. The same could be said of WIS, 5+ years of talk and BS and waste for an extremely flawed and laughable tech demo.
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Olivor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: XIRUSPHERE I own a ps3 and more than likely I will not be playing dust as like many other people I know my ps3 is simply a dust collector when PC content will always be superior. There is a silver lining to this fiasco and I believe people need to take advantage of the momentum that it's failure is going to carry.
Dust is going to be a very public and very telling example of how completely alienated the top level of CCP is from it's customer base and the wants and needs it avoids. When dust burns and fades within months of launch I do sincerely hope enough noise will be made to oust hilmar and the others at CCP who want to run the company into ground while shamelessly whoring this game out to the lowest common denominator.
It's a damn shame to think of the improvements that could have been made in light of the total waste of men and material to put out a joke of a game. The same could be said of WIS, 5+ years of talk and BS and waste for an extremely flawed and laughable tech demo.
When people who own PS3's say they won't play a free download PS3 exclusive...
You've clearly ****ed up
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:18:00 -
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1 universe 1 war 1 person online in dust
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:25:00 -
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Quote: I own a PS3 and thus will be playing it. I'm hoping I will be able to use my eve iskies to buy shizzle for my merc in dust 514.
Thus I shall purchase the pinkest, gayest suit I possibly can and proclaim the gayness of the PS3 exclusivity while I shoot people in the face with my l33t console FPS skills.
I'll just shamelessly quote myself from another forum.....
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Felo Maxun CCP Sreegs Can we get a promise that the "we ill inform you if we intend to share your data" bit wont simple be it hidden in a new T&C that appears on launch. As a number of us may only speed read this during an important log on. A sizeable announcement or an email with an option to opt out would do.
If you had read his post, you would see he said EXACTLY that.
Originally by: CCP Sreegs Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
That means you would be notified of changes to the EULA and the TOS, which I am certain has happened in the past. At which point you would be asked to re-read and agree to, the amended EULA and TOS before you would be allowed to log back into the game. There would also be a well advertised notification on the forums either in the form of a sticky or a devblog, or both.
Other than that you can't really expect much more tbh. Though knowing CCP they would also dispatch a generic "We are altering the EULA and TOS for such and such reasons" email.
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Syas Morakl Badasaz
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:32:00 -
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After seeing the new wii U... why the heck didn't CCP partner with them. Brand new console with innovate idea and the best selling console hands down...
(wait for the rants)
Seriously the graphics are wonderful and the ideas seem perfect for the CCP idea of pushing technology and do things differently. I can see the new controller being used very well by ccp
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Spookyjay
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:33:00 -
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CCP should scrap Dust and port all work to a PC engine and make it into a full on Eve spin of on pc.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:40:00 -
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I really do not understood why CCP went with a console shooter to begin with. Most console shooters have a life cycle of MAYBE 1 year. Then the sequel or some new competitor's shooter comes out and the player levels drop drastically.
Compare that with the communities that sprung up on the PC around such games as:
BF2 CS 1.6 CSS TF2 UT2k3 Quake 3: Arena Tribes
PC games tend to foster much stronger communities than consoles ever will. And a community = longevity and the chance for MT. Just look at TF2 and the store they introduced.
I'll be honest, if I had a PS3 I'd probably pick it up just because then I could pwn EVE peoples in space and on the surface. Might still pick up a PS3 by release so we'll see. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones I really do not understood why CCP went with a console shooter to begin with. Most console shooters have a life cycle of MAYBE 1 year. Then the sequel or some new competitor's shooter comes out and the player levels drop drastically.
Compare that with the communities that sprung up on the PC around such games as:
BF2 CS 1.6 CSS TF2 UT2k3 Quake 3: Arena Tribes
Yes, but why did those game create a community and the console shooters did not?
I'd be willing to bet that it's because those PC games saw continuous development, additions, and modding, whereas the business model for the console games was always "release, maybe add some DLC (and that has only been true for the last few years), and then push the N+1 release".
Could it be that console gamers don't stick around because they know the current game is basically end-of-life at release, and that the next iteration is coming in a year or two? So what happens when that is no longer true; when there is no next iteration, or, rather, when the current game is the next iteration when the expansion/content/ruleset patch gets released in a couple of months?
Or, to look in the opposite direction: what kind of community do we see in the PC games that follow the same kind of release pattern as the console games? The various EA [Sports] [Year] releases or one-shot FPSes or RPGs (and the PC platform has just as many of those as the consoles do)? I'd say it's the same kind of (non-)communities as with the yearly-release console games. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Max Gades
notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few.
Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified...
Being notified and having a choice to opt out are two different things. Simple logic will tell you that regardless of what CCP chooses to share with sony there will be a new agreement to agree too. That is just a given.
What happens in the event that a large portion of the subscriber base decides they do not want to agree to this?
The purchase of the game IS going through the PSN which means our credit card information will be stored in plain text.
Even if none of our account information is shared with sony there is still the issue of the economy being tied to dust, thats like asking for trouble. All somebody has to do is take down the PSN and boom eve will be effected. Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice |
Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:06:00 -
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idk people are still playing BC2 on xbox in decent numbers... last i checked BC2 has about 20k online for PC and 100+k online for 360.... if CCP wants money console > PC for games i mean its a shooter, so console is the only choice.
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Ala Adoulin
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones I really do not understood why CCP went with a console shooter to begin with. Most console shooters have a life cycle of MAYBE 1 year. Then the sequel or some new competitor's shooter comes out and the player levels drop drastically.
Compare that with the communities that sprung up on the PC around such games as:
BF2 CS 1.6 CSS TF2 UT2k3 Quake 3: Arena Tribes
PC games tend to foster much stronger communities than consoles ever will. And a community = longevity and the chance for MT. Just look at TF2 and the store they introduced.
I'll be honest, if I had a PS3 I'd probably pick it up just because then I could pwn EVE peoples in space and on the surface. Might still pick up a PS3 by release so we'll see.
Agree totally, for me it will just be an add on with a slight link to Eve and will fizzle out.
Personally think its more of a money making venture that will give Eve Online publicity than something that will add to Eve Online as a game.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 07/06/2011 18:14:18
Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Max Gades
notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few.
Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified...
Being notified and having a choice to opt out are two different things. Simple logic will tell you that regardless of what CCP chooses to share with sony there will be a new agreement to agree too. That is just a given.
What happens in the event that a large portion of the subscriber base decides they do not want to agree to this?
The purchase of the game IS going through the PSN which means our credit card information will be stored in plain text.
Even if none of our account information is shared with sony there is still the issue of the economy being tied to dust, thats like asking for trouble. All somebody has to do is take down the PSN and boom eve will be effected.
1: No, logic does not tell me what you assume to be true.
2: In the unlikely event that this did happen, if you choose not to agree then you leave. It's not rocket science. Of course, you may feel a little silly in a year when the current security issues are long past and largely forgotten.
3: The game is ONLY available through the PSN? I'm pretty sure you will be able to buy it directly/retail. Perhaps you could link a source for us. Also, do you really think SONY is incapable of fixing it's security issues. Sony is rivaled only by Microsoft for the resources it has at it's disposal. Sure, it will take some time, but we are talking the better part of a year from now.
4: Yes, if someone were to take down the PSN and keep DUST players offline for a period of time the EVE market might be affected. Damaged? No, not likely. Affected? Yes, hopefully. I blissfully await the marketing opportunities such an event would trigger. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:59:00 -
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Your missing the point I think.
Sony is not anywhere near a rival to MS and even if they were sony is "171 billion $" in the red right now. So if Sony dose not turn a profit they will go bankrupt in the next couple of years.
Besides anonymous is NOT finished with Sony Yet.
The fact of the matter is Sony should have stuck to making TVs. Their gaming division has always had trouble turning a profit. Now they are looking at a 171 Billion price tag for their foolishness. The new stuff from E3 is sony's last chance at redemption. If they don't do well then they will go under. Heads Will Roll. Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice |
Bloodthirsty Reaver
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37
Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver
Originally by: Token Afrodude
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary.
This.
Agreed
Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing.
I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
Thank you for replying. Thats good enough for me. I'm sure that as long as you guys know that us(the players)aren't comfortable with our information being shared that you'll let us know if and why it would be.
Also I meant that in the time after the conference yesterday that I didn't see any official posts on the sony matter not just in this specific thread since there are so many.
I really do hope that CCP is reading all of this rage on the forums and at least understands that it might not have been the best idea. Maybe even considering Dust 515 being on the PC or multi-platform or something.
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AlisterCrowley
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: AlisterCrowley on 07/06/2011 19:18:26
Originally by: Rey Bahn What a joke. Well that's quite a lot of missed sales. Fail.
This, in spades. I honestly have to wonder how the person making these type of judgement calls isn't fired on the spot, I saw other games like MAG become big flops and dwindle down to small player bases all because their devs decided to make it a "console" exclusive game. What in the **** kind of ****** decides to make a game that's partner to a longstanding MMO, and would probably get played by most of that MMO's players into a game that requires an entirely different system?
Seriously CCP, remove your ****ing head from your asses and tell sony to suck a **** about this **** being PS3 exclusive, it's not going to sell any new PS3's.
And incase you were wondering, yes I do own a PS3, and no I won't be buying DUST 514 for it because I and many other PC gamers that like shooters absolutely ****ing abhor playing shooters with a controller.
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Kestrix
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:17:00 -
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I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse?
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Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kestrix I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse?
Not only can you use a keyboard and mouse with Xbox 360 but said peripherals became available many weeks before their PS3 counterparts.
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AlisterCrowley
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kestrix I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse?
Just a little heads up for you, I haven't found a shooter yet on the PS3 that supports being played via the keyboard and mouse you can hookup, and it's doubtful DUST514 will either.
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SomeHardLovin
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:21:00 -
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Throwing my hat into the "Not buying a PS3 just to play DUST" arena. I have an Xbox. I bout it because its where most of the good games and specifically shooters are. Nobody can argue that the catalogue of shooters on the PS3 even closely compares to the Microsoft offering (and im not a huge Microsoft fan).
PS3 exclusives have pretty much died out.. you'll notice even mainstay games like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear are making it onto Xbox now.. there is a a reason for that. CCP you need to rethink this one... Even if its to offer a PC version (which I could indeed play.. because I already have one of those as an EVE player, right? ---
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Rorcaul
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:28:00 -
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Ok so I have both the 360 and the PS3 but tbh I only use the PS3 now for the blue ray player I don't play games on it as I prefer the 360. The FPS on the 360 is far better than the PS3 so sadly im another "wont be buying this"
Be strange to have all my games but one on the xbox anyway :)
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Kestrix
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:30:00 -
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Okay I was wrong you can use this on the 360 to use a keyboard and mouse. CES: Mouse and keyboard controler
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Pyro Ninja
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:56:00 -
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Look guys it's not the end of the world that it's not on Xbox so stop crying about it already. Sony probably is more willing to work with ccp to get the proper connection than MS was willing to do with Xbox live. Get over your little nerd rage and move on. Geez you guys cry more than WoW players when they change that game.
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Vynk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vynk on 07/06/2011 20:20:15
Originally by: Pyro Ninja Look guys it's not the end of the world that it's not on Xbox so stop crying about it already. Sony probably is more willing to work with ccp to get the proper connection than MS was willing to do with Xbox live. Get over your little nerd rage and move on. Geez you guys cry more than WoW players when they change that game.
uhmm....its a matter of playing or not playing the game....its kind of is the "end of the world" for some of us who do not own a ps3. Its not like some WoW/EvE patch we may or may not like.
I shouldn't have to point this out to you.
mind you, I had no intention of buying a console shooter in the first place.
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John'eh
Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: John''eh on 07/06/2011 20:46:56 As a guy who has done XBox Development at MSFT (Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code.) I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link.
I know a lot of you are think otherwise, but take this information straight from the horses mouth as somebody who knows what they are talking about from personal experience, and will not be saying too much because of that: XBox would have loved having this, it just would have taken some effort on CCP's side to set up things running correctly to get the systems connected over a secured link.
Based on this data I can only assume that CCP was too lazy or too unskilled and decided not to do it.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 07/06/2011 20:46:56 As a guy who has done XBox Development at MSFT (Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code.) I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link.
I know a lot of you are think otherwise, but take this information straight from the horses mouth as somebody who knows what they are talking about from personal experience, and will not be saying too much because of that: XBox would have loved having this, it just would have taken some effort on CCP's side to set up things running correctly to get the systems connected over a secured link.
Based on this data I can only assume that CCP was too lazy or too unskilled and decided not to do it.
Yup, pretty much this - also based on experience.
The reasoning is pretty much just golden handshakes and the ability to roll out low quality patches at the drop of a hat and the asian market - which is something dust is aiming at more than anyone thinks.
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