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Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:08:00 - [1] really... PS3? why would you do that.... well not buying a ps3 for dust, no matter how good it is. also why was it in OXM magazine years back
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:09:00 - [2] ooohhh WARBARGE
Emilya Tatsuki	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:10:00 - [3] Oh well, more planets for us.
Lexa Reign	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:11:00 - [4] God damn it...PS3 exclusive? Really? That sucks quite a bit...I wanted to play Dust and now I wont lol.
Quakar	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:11:00 - [5] Ive waited all this time for that? 2min's of very awkward game play of a PS3 exclusive which Ill never buy? lame.
Lorkin Desal Caldari Lone Star Partners	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:11:00 - [6] sucks that you chose the wrong console.
Lynx Amurie Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:11:00 - [7] yeah I am not buying a PS3 to play DUST, not with it being garbage, not with it costing a small fortune, and definitely not when the PSN as secure of not being hacked every week as TQ is guarenteed to survive a 1000 man fight. irrelevant of what Sony said in the past CCP, you screwed up really bad going with them. which by the way is ANOTHER screwup. -------------------------------------------------- *Player versus asteroid: We win 99.9% of the time!* You can log off any time you like, but you can never quit.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:12:00 - [8] this is great. i was pro dust, i thought it was going to be good but now.... well... no hope for it.. sorry but... well.. idk what to say... enjoy dust's mediocre sales.
rantuket Caldari SPORADIC MOVEMENT Merciless.	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:12:00 - [9] Awesome, just let me look up someones account details and I will log right on... PS3 exclusive, are you guys nuts?
roq deelim	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:13:00 - [10] ps3 exclusive? you kidding? a shooter that would fit eve on pc perfectly on a console exclusively?? ccp this is really a BIG FAIL. i have a ps3 but i would never ever play sth like dust on it..sorry...u lost another potential customer for dust.

Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:13:00 - [11] What a joke. Well that's quite a lot of missed sales. Fail.
Veimo Lailara	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:13:00 - [12] So now a planetary frigate cost as much as a tier 3 Battleship? ^^
BondGamer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:13:00 - [13] Edited by: BondGamer on 07/06/2011 01:13:58 I suspect it is virtually impossible to do what CCP wants on Xbox Live. Microsoft has very strict controls and guidelines what you can do on Xbox. Dust 514 needs a direct connection to EVE Online, which can not happen on Xbox. You aren't even allowed to patch a Xbox game without a microsoft review, which can take weeks.
Domania Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:13:00 - [14] :lolccp:
Paintballr9003 United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:14:00 - [15] This is now a Widot- Oh wait. Even we aren't that terrible.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:14:00 - [16] Things we know: Troops will be cheap (375k for their armor) Ground-based vehicles might be cheap (800k for a tank) Command centers will be a little expensive (120m ISK for one) CCP knows how to lie ("We're gonna make it console only to maximize revenue" but EXCLUSIVE release on one console) PS: If you weren't intending on releasing it on XboX 360 or PC, why is it that fanfest video shows CCP staff using Xbox 360 controllers unless you found some way to make them work with PS3 console.
Slate Shoa	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:14:00 - [17] was Dust 514 as a PC game ever an option?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:14:00 - [18] Oh man CCP couldn't of picked a better system. now it doesn't have to compete with halo 4. It doesn't have to make us pay for dlc f you Microsoft It doesn't have to be compatible with kinetic. It ties the space base right into playstation home. And They are even going to extend the gameplay to the mobile device. Epic. Also Microsoft does not allow for beta testing on xbox live. And they would of made eve a god damn rail shooter like fable.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Veimo Lailara So now a planetary frigate cost as much as a tier 3 Battleship? ^^ Blame the botters for making minerals so cheapà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Delcu Amarr Old Timers Guild Inc. Fusion Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:15:00 - [20] Oh well... Was a good idea. But this is just the first nail in the coffin for Dust. Sorry CCP you got duped into a very bad deal. too bad.

Squasar Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:15:00 - [21] Maybe it's because Microsoft basically gives anyone the finger that wants to have any sort of PC to console connection...
Mag'nal	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:15:00 - [22] CCP, You have officially failed. Why in god's name would you pidgeonhole yourself into a single console? Not to mention, sony's network is getting all kinds of love from Anonymous, among other hackers. Uhg, Suddenly Incarna doesn't sound so cool. It's all in your head. You're living a lie. There is nothing money can't buy.
Zoroa Aulx-Gao	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:16:00 - [23] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Things we know: PS: If you weren't intending on releasing it on XboX 360 or PC, why is it that fanfest video shows CCP staff using Xbox 360 controllers unless you found some way to make them work with PS3 console. OMG sorcery.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:16:00 - [24] i thought Dust would bring me back to eve, i would play again, charge EVE money for my skills in dust( im really good at shooters) but i wont buy a ps3 for a game that would be better on 360. Im glad im not the only ****ed off person. i hope you rethink this decision, or at least bring it to 360 a few months later maybe then people will play it... lol.
Captain Davison Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:16:00 - [25] Yeah, um, HELL NO. Not before the fiasco of the past several months, and especially not after. I was avidly looking forward to this, but this the worst mistake since not making it possible to play Dust on the computer. Get it off of the PS3. It's a sinking ship with sony looking at a 3 billion dollar loss from the past few months.
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:16:00 - [26] Well at least CCP decided to pick a company that reflects the qualities of an EVE race. Minmatar Republic, kinda busted and frequently getting their junk stolen. -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:16:00 - [27] Time to threadnaught this.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:16:00 - [28] omfg the ******ed cry babys coming out oh no .... lol ------------------------------------
Dnai Hsrang Caldari Cardinal Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:17:00 - [29] Edited by: Dnai Hsrang on 07/06/2011 01:18:00 Quoting Hilmar (sp) "One shard ... On the same super computer" This scares me given the super computer's inability to handle the current load. Also introducing so many bugs in the recent patches is not a good indication of the stability of the platform. That will now have two radically different code bases accessing it.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:18:00 - [30] Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 01:19:18 Originally by: Dnai Hsrang Edited by: Dnai Hsrang on 07/06/2011 01:18:00 Quoting Hilmar (sp) "One shard ... On the same super computer" This scares me given the super computer's inability to handle the current load. Also introducing so many bugs in the recent patches is not a good indication of the stability of the platform. That will now have two radically different code bases accessing it. eve has never had database lag. Try harder. Originally by: Herping yourDerp i thought Dust would bring me back to eve, i would play again, charge EVE money for my skills in dust( im really good at shooters) but i wont buy a ps3 for a game that would be better on 360. Im glad im not the only ****ed off person. i hope you rethink this decision, or at least bring it to 360 a few months later maybe then people will play it... lol. yeah because playing an fps without a controller is "better"

ghost st	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:18:00 - [31] It makes sense for it to be playstation only. If it were released on xbox players would have to pay extra for xbox live and pay extra for any expansions (M$ wont let you give out free ****, see tf2 on Xbox).
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Dnai Hsrang Edited by: Dnai Hsrang on 07/06/2011 01:18:00 Quoting Hilmar (sp) "One shard ... On the same super computer" This scares me given the super computer's inability to handle the current load. Also introducing so many bugs in the recent patches is not a good indication of the stability of the platform. That will now have two radically different code bases accessing it. Notwithstanding the fact that I now have to get a separate secured credit card now, for fear it gets stolen. -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Corpsus HYMN.	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:19:00 - [33] Thanks CCP. Another great way to reward your existing customers. CCP - Couldn't Care about Players. Arkward presentation, virtually 0 crowd reaction - who exactly are you marketing this game to? and on the PSN?? are you guys stoned?? Why would you even advertise this game to your MMO customers when it's so obviously not targeted at them. 4 Month shelf life - calling it now. Abandon this project now before you embarrass yourselves.
Slate Shoa	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:19:00 - [34] so, if EVE is to interact with Dust 514... what happens when the next generation of consoles comes out? The interaction dies? Should have made it a PC game...
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Veimo Lailara So now a planetary frigate cost as much as a tier 3 Battleship? ^^ Specialized technology for specialized purpose. The planetary frigate could be as "advanced" as a Marauder.
Roh Voleto	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:20:00 - [36] Beta at the end of the year and they don't even have any gameplay. Judging by how generic the mock-up looked, I would say they don't even have any clear idea or concrete concept, yet.
Bloodthirsty Reaver	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:20:00 - [37] Wow so much for being excited for this game. Thought it was an xbox exclusive (even though I wanted a PC version most) and couldn't wait but now i'm hoping it'll do terrible so they might actually port it so something worth owning like the PC. Especially after sony's security fumble I wouldn't consider getting one for this. Really hope you read all the rage on the forums CCP and at least explain why you'd change platforms like this. Or best case scenario its a timed exclusive and you'll release it on something that actually has some usable FPS controls.
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:22:00 - [38] Originally by: BondGamer Edited by: BondGamer on 07/06/2011 01:13:58 I suspect it is virtually impossible to do what CCP wants on Xbox Live. Microsoft has very strict controls and guidelines what you can do on Xbox. Dust 514 needs a direct connection to EVE Online, which can not happen on Xbox. You aren't even allowed to patch a Xbox game without a microsoft review, which can take weeks. No - CCP won't pony up the extra $$$'s for additional XBL access services, you know, like EA does for all of the xbox Live enabled games. Or Square(FFXI). Or Activision(COD Elite). Or Ubisoft(UPlay). Or SEGA(PSU). Or THQ(Frontlines). Etc...
Acerba Agikor Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:22:00 - [39] I think it's fitting. This way the dust bunnies will all be console peasants serving their glorious PC masters. -------------------------------------------------- You can conceal sadism in technical language or flowery words, but it's still just as fun to watch.
Corpsus HYMN.	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:22:00 - [40] Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Wow so much for being excited for this game. Thought it was an xbox exclusive (even though I wanted a PC version most) and couldn't wait but now i'm hoping it'll do terrible so they might actually port it so something worth owning like the PC. Especially after sony's security fumble I wouldn't consider getting one for this. Really hope you read all the rage on the forums CCP and at least explain why you'd change platforms like this. Or best case scenario its a timed exclusive and you'll release it on something that actually has some usable FPS controls. I don't care if it's on Xbox or Ps3 - consoles are ageing CCP are making a rod for their own backs with this. It's a crackheads pipe dream.

Taril Unra	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:22:00 - [41] So much for me trying that out. Not buying a PS3 to play that. If its not coming to PC then thats -1 potential player.
Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:23:00 - [42] Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
Chitsa Jason Caldari Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:23:00 - [43] If anyone is reading this at CCP, EvE online is a PC game and community is here to support you. Making dust a console game is first mistake, making it a single console exclusive is second mistake. I hope you guys will make it...
Sellador	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:23:00 - [44] OH, I'M CCP AND I'M THAT SMART I'M GONNA DROP XBOX 360 FOR FUN SO WE HAVE LESS CUSTOMERS, AHAHAHA. People, are you SO stupid? This is EvE forums, no? Do you have any common sense, oh immortal pilots of New Eden? There are reasons CCP dropped Xbox360 and they are pretty serious reasons if they decided to do that. So please... before you hear official CCP explanations for this strategic business decision, stfu? :)
Joseph Dreadloch Operational Detachment-Alpha	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:24:00 - [45] Not buying a PS3 for a single game, meaning this is a large part of the EVE universe I can't take part in. If people in this part of the universe that is now unavailable to me have a large impact upon my EVE game play, I'll likely stop playing EVE. I hope the impact of Dust514 is minimal and something I can ignore...
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:24:00 - [46] Can't wait! And I'll likely buy a few to hand out to friends who have a PS3. ~Gnosis~
MirrorGod Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:24:00 - [47] Edited by: MirrorGod on 07/06/2011 01:24:32 I am so utterly disappointed
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:25:00 - [48] GUYS! THERE'S A SILVER LINING HERE! Assuming that we can interact with DUST players, we can just accept really cheap contracts all day long and shoot an endless amount of PS3 players in the face! The griefing possibilities are ENDLESS! You know how zealous PS3 owners are! -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Kezbet Tu Stultus Es	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:25:00 - [49] Originally by: northwesten omfg the ******ed cry babys coming out oh no .... lol Oh look, the Sony guerrilla marketing team has arrived.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:26:00 - [50] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMFG MAXIMUM TROLLING!!1!1!!! Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice

Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:27:00 - [51] Originally by: ghost st It makes sense for it to be playstation only. If it were released on xbox players would have to pay extra for xbox live and pay extra for any expansions (M$ wont let you give out free ****, see tf2 on Xbox). they said Dust wouldn't be subscription. they said they would use micro transactions for aesthetics as well as he retail of the game. anyways http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523634 started that for those outraged. support it and maybe CCP will give us a chance to say how it should be.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:27:00 - [52] Originally by: LastTraitorStanding Originally by: Dnai Hsrang Edited by: Dnai Hsrang on 07/06/2011 01:18:00 Quoting Hilmar (sp) "One shard ... On the same super computer" This scares me given the super computer's inability to handle the current load. Also introducing so many bugs in the recent patches is not a good indication of the stability of the platform. That will now have two radically different code bases accessing it. Notwithstanding the fact that I now have to get a separate secured credit card now, for fear it gets stolen. why? the game is free to play. which xbox would never allow also I would liek ot point out they are letting adriod phones play PsP games! :D which means you should be able to control Dst514 and eve online through the play station suite, from your cell phone.
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:29:00 - [53] Edited by: Othar en''gilliath on 07/06/2011 01:29:35 ms wont allow them to even go on 360 ....ms says no to cross platforms DUST CANT EVEN GET ON 360 !!! it couldn't even be a 360 only game either since its 360 to eve wont work ms says no
Bloodthirsty Reaver	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Corpsus Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Wow so much for being excited for this game. Thought it was an xbox exclusive (even though I wanted a PC version most) and couldn't wait but now i'm hoping it'll do terrible so they might actually port it so something worth owning like the PC. Especially after sony's security fumble I wouldn't consider getting one for this. Really hope you read all the rage on the forums CCP and at least explain why you'd change platforms like this. Or best case scenario its a timed exclusive and you'll release it on something that actually has some usable FPS controls. I don't care if it's on Xbox or Ps3 - consoles are ageing CCP are making a rod for their own backs with this. It's a crackheads pipe dream. Yea it should be a PC game though a friend of mine just said its on the PC as well so im looking for something offical saying either way
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:29:00 - [55] They need to remake the Eve Online Forever trailer.. Dust player wont have to worry about dreads and back stabbers, but rather network crashes and credit card fraud.
MirrorGod Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:30:00 - [56] Let me clarify. This should have been on PC. PSN addition would have been cool, but PC gamers is the only place where there's any loyalty you can count on. If you wanted a network to work with, Steam has a HUGE playerbase with which you could work with. Bottom line: Dust, as it is, will be nothing more than a quick cash injection. It will die off and that wont take long. For it to survive, you're going to need to see it go to PC. TO keep it alive, you may end up handing it out to veterans of this game. I know most Eve players wont bother buying a PS3 for this, there's no other good games
Lledrith Minmatar Ex Caminus	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:31:00 - [57] So CCP. is this how well you care for your clientele account information?. first the so call ~~NEW~~ forums and now choosing the PS3 as the sole console system for DUST fully aware that their network security is being attacked/breach constanty? i really hope so.
Clyde ElectraGlide Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:31:00 - [58] Really though CCP could have avoided all of this and released it on PC. you know, considering that that is where most of its fanbase is.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Joseph Dreadloch Not buying a PS3 for a single game, meaning this is a large part of the EVE universe I can't take part in. If people in this part of the universe that is now unavailable to me have a large impact upon my EVE game play, I'll likely stop playing EVE. I hope the impact of Dust514 is minimal and something I can ignore... 1 make friends with some college kids 2 get invited to dorm/frat/apartment 3 ?????? 4 find ps3 on the street
AJ Yaga	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:32:00 - [60] Unable to connect Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.dust514.com. The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments. If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web. Hacked already?

Bane Loppknow Pel Industries	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:32:00 - [61] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 01:17:56 not to mention xbox has a 0% tolerance on letting PC and console games connect. The PC, 360, and ps2 copies of FFXI would like to have a word with you. Also, it's Kinect. They're not Guristas. I gotta say, I am disappointed with DUST's ps3 exclusivity. I was hoping to get my friends involved in the EVE universe, but sadly, they work for a living and can't afford to drop ~500 bucks on a new console. And certainly not for one game.
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:34:00 - [62] could be a timed exclusive, mant titles only stay exclusive for 3 months.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:34:00 - [63] they wanted a new market AKA not PC...
alt9854	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:37:00 - [64] Dust has a 2012-13 release (I presume).... what happens when Sony start selling their next gen console (I imagine that would be anywhere between 2014-2015)? The game will just die unless it's ported to the new console. It's a good idea in principle. I can see MMOs taking off in the console market (now that the technology in both hardware and software wise is there) but I'm not sure if creating an MMO for a platform that is on the last 20% of it's life cycle is worthwhile. But who knows, maybe Sony and Microsoft plan to keep their current consoles going for a while yet (hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they made an secret agreement to do that - because if one does it the other would have to spend hundreds of millions of pounds to react - and they would have to react!). I hope it's successful, because having 50000 concurrent Eve players interacting with hundreds or a few thousand Dust players sounds daft. Aren't pod pilots supposed to be a bit of a rarity in the universe?! Not as rare as soldiers!
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:39:00 - [65] Was really excited about this being on the Xbox 360. Xbox is the largest most popular console with the most solid multi player network. Playstation whilst I technological leader compared to the 360 is way behind Xboxlive in terms of quality and content, baring a few exceptions. This is most apparent, not due to the hacking of the PSN network, but literally the amount of security flaws in the playstation itself, which has essentially been completely hacked, with all manner of cheating systems that plague it's FPS games. Essentially this means that it's multi player experience is broken in comparison to the Xbox 360. That said, you must have had your reasons for it I suppose. If it was a choice between exclusivity of Xbox or PS3, Xbox would have had the edge in terms of reaching the most people. I'm going to make a little wish now that it will possibly be released on PC at some point. Until then I'm just going to forget all about it now. I hope it works out CCP....but yeah, I'm gutted to be honest.
Creetalor Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:48:00 - [66] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 01:17:56 Oh man CCP couldn't of picked a better system. now it doesn't have to compete with halo 4. It doesn't have to make us pay for dlc f you Microsoft It doesn't have to be compatible with kinetic. It ties the space base right into playstation home. And They are even going to extend the gameplay to the mobile device. Epic. Also Microsoft does not allow for beta testing on xbox live. And they would of made eve a god damn rail shooter like fable. not to mention xbox has a 0% tolerance on letting PC and console games connect. The PC version of dust we all know will come out some day has to be able to play with the console. Xbox is full of fail. I used to love them but after today's E3 presentation it's obviously how fail they are. Shadowrun it was a **** game but it had Pc players connect to 360 players connect to play
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:53:00 - [67] shadow run was bad because of the game itself. not because of the connectivity =p but yea... this whole thing is A a giant troll B stupid, and a bad move C CCP mixed up what people wanted D CCP cares more about russian players? E all of the above.
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:55:00 - [68] So, who is the CCP community manager for this fiasco. Or are CCP really just that thick to not have assigned a position for that requirement? C'mon CCP - start engaging with the supposedly huge percentage of PS3 owning EVE subscribers. I'm sure your input/justifications are going to go over just swell.. The fact that there is no dialogue is very telling. The silence is deafening.
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:56:00 - [69] CCP busted half of nullsec with the anom nerf .... I stop resubbing my Anom Character and lawl'd at CCP fail CCP announced the JB nerf ... i stopped subbing my Carebear character and Lawl'd at the CCP fail CCP put up incarna on SiSi ... i tried it and decided that its basically space WOW.... this characters sub is over in 3 months and won't be re-subbed ... and i lawl'd at CCP fail This announcement was frosting on the cake .... i am still lawling at the CCP fail. CCP is basically failscading so it makes good sense to put Dust514 on a failscade platform Next thing ya know they will announce a game for the PSP ... opps LOL
CMUX Caldari Rim Collection Productions Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:08:00 - [70] Edited by: CMUX on 07/06/2011 02:10:27 Appreciate you keeping things innovative, but this really should been on a PC platform.. I hope you will eventually port it to the PC where the majority of your customer base have been playing EVE for years and can recommend the game to others faster than CCP trying to compete with many other console-based FPS games to clueless gamers. Edit: I hope this is why you're delaying Dust 514 and Incarna so you can tie them in the EVE Client and plan a fallback plan should the PS3-Based Dust 514 fails on sales.

Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:12:00 - [71] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523634 i want to see what everyone thinks in Poll form... 1 poll i wanna see how many people want PS3 exclusive over multiplat or 360 exclusive.
Lithalnas Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:14:00 - [72] Here is another one to throw fuel on the fire, is there any way to reserve our names for Dust? I am rather attached to my char and would like to carry that through to Dust if possible. I expect a lot of players would like this feature as well. I also think that going to the console is an ok choice, however to make it for any length of time the game play has to be attractive. If its bad like resistance 2, which had horrible controls and gameplay, it will die. -------------
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:15:00 - [73] Originally by: Herping yourDerp http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523634 i want to see what everyone thinks in Poll form... 1 poll i wanna see how many people want PS3 exclusive over multiplat or 360 exclusive. Easy - PC 90% xbox 5% Mac 2% iOS 1% Android 1% Symbian 0.5% Failstation 0.5%
Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:17:00 - [74] I suggest we solve this the "Eve way", ganking CCP corp ships, until they release on the rest of the platforms :P
Spurna Minmatar Bath and Body Works S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:20:00 - [75] The xbot tears taste so yummy!
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:21:00 - [76] A few thoughts on the matter, not in any particular order. I am a bit disappointed that DUST won't be on both console systems. I had researched a bit and realized that Xbox was the least feasible of the two when you consider the nature of what DUST is trying to accomplish. Still, I had hopes that some sort of practical arrangement could be reached. My daughter also has a Xbox, so yeah, that would have been convenient (although she is probably breathing a sigh of relief right now). I find it noteworthy that these facts now combine in an interesting fashion. 1: Released on PS3 AND the new PSVITA. 2: Using the EVE servers to deliver the content. I could be wrong, but I believe this means: You won't be giving Sony your CC info, you'll be making your micro transactions directly to CCP. Having EVE and DUST on the same server probably makes it much easier for the two to interact, possibly in ways much more involved than currently revealed. This may very well open the door to being able to do at least some function in EVE from the PSVITA eventually. Soon perhaps even from your phone. So to sum up, I am moderately disappointed but understand the reasons for the decision. What remains to be seen is if CCP can leverage this bonding with only one console to come up with even closer links between the two games than might have been originally thought. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
aria alenko	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:22:00 - [77] http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/ says they're taking questions in the comments
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:29:00 - [78] http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/#commentform CCP is taking questions here... too bad i cant register due to maintenance. any1 who has an account see what they have to say
Tavin Aikisen Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:32:00 - [79] Was considering an XBox 360 just for this... but not a PS3. Have fun DUST mercs. ---- ôRemember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home in peace.ö -Cold Wind
Corpsus HYMN.	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Herping yourDerp http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/#commentform CCP is taking questions here... too bad i cant register due to maintenance. any1 who has an account see what they have to say 1. People who have a PS3 and Eve don't give a **** so their comments will be positive 2. The other 99% of eve players don't have PSN ID's No way you're getting in there to ask questions. CCP know what they're doing they're not having their existing customers ruin their pointless console game,

Da'iel Zehn Caldari Sick Tight Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:33:00 - [81] PS3 exclusive? Boooo! -- Got a problem? Talk to my gun.
Token Afrodude	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This.
Bloodthirsty Reaver	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This. Agreed Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing.
Marn Vitar Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:40:00 - [84] Haven't had a PS since my 3rd PS2 gave up the ghost. The current PSN situation (16 total hacks now? Source ) pretty much guarantees I will never be buying one. I know you guys couldn't foresee the whole security issue, but this is where multi-platform would have been good insurance. I just hope you eventually release a PC version.
Anonymous Lemming	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:42:00 - [85] God damn ccp, why don't you at least go across and the street and get some condoms, because we should at least be safe if you're going to **** us!
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:44:00 - [86] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 01:19:18 Originally by: Dnai Hsrang Edited by: Dnai Hsrang on 07/06/2011 01:18:00 Quoting Hilmar (sp) "One shard ... On the same super computer" This scares me given the super computer's inability to handle the current load. Also introducing so many bugs in the recent patches is not a good indication of the stability of the platform. That will now have two radically different code bases accessing it. eve has never had database lag. Try harder. cough insta bookmarks cough ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 01:19:18 Originally by: Dnai Hsrang Edited by: Dnai Hsrang on 07/06/2011 01:18:00 Quoting Hilmar (sp) "One shard ... On the same super computer" This scares me given the super computer's inability to handle the current load. Also introducing so many bugs in the recent patches is not a good indication of the stability of the platform. That will now have two radically different code bases accessing it. eve has never had database lag. Try harder. cough insta bookmarks cough hahaha ok ok I stand corrected. : ) but 5 years ago they changed that and they bought ran sans. The database server has never been an issue since. And they JUST UPGRADED IT to something like 4Tb of ram as storage.

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:50:00 - [88] Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37 Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This. Agreed Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.

Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:50:00 - [89] the reiterated PS3 exclusive... looks like they want the game to fail.. i expected it to be OK before. a fun diversion every once in a while... like play i once a week maybe take over a planet for my alliance... PS3... well... i wouldnt buy one, but i know it will fail =( which means any new console IP from ccp will fail
Token Afrodude	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:52:00 - [90] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37 Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This. Agreed Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. TY for the clarification Sreegs.

Nostrous	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:53:00 - [91] lets no forget how much sony helped SWG.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.07 02:55:00 - [92] Originally by: Nostrous lets no forget how much sony helped SWG. Sony did not shoot them selfs in the foot. It was the devs working on the game. Sony is like EA, or target. It's just a corporation. CCP is making dust, not sony.
CMUX Caldari Rim Collection Productions Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Marn Vitar Haven't had a PS since my 3rd PS2 gave up the ghost. ...16 total hacks now... security issue Well if it's any consolation I had purchased a PS3 (original first gen) as a glorified blu-ray player once the high-def media format wars tipped towards Sony's favor and it is still running fine today. Using it to play actual games is another story though, and my concern is based on sales and popularity of it being tied to PS3. I'm watching my truecredit / ID monitoring sites carefully since the Sony data breaches though.
Canuk EroSennin Gallente Public Security Section Nine	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:03:00 - [94] LMFAO I find all this very funny... 1. The point of making a console shooter to work with eve is to make it for a CONSOLE...not another PC game like...oh whats that one called CCP already makes....oh yeah EVE! 2. I own 2 ps3 and never have regretted it....not a fail console at all....they got hacked? so what so do other corperations...it happens...practically all this jazz is just 360 fanboys using this trouble for ammunition. 3. I am not a PS3 fanboy because I believe that Dust 514 should be on both the 360 and PS3 but definately NOT on the PC. 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. They cost $ 299 Canadian. I own one FAT one from 2007....and a newer slim one from last christmas. Why 2? Needed a good Blu-ray player for another HDTV and for those who say...who cares about blu-ray.....a lot of people do seeing as how its successful and on most BR's worth the money. Star Trek, Final Fantasy Advent Children = Blu-ray WIN. 5. If noone plays DUST because its only on the PS3...then I say more DUST for me then. have a nice day.
azurisk Caldari Crypto Works	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:04:00 - [95] Was waiting for the release of dust across consoles, as told at FF '09. Seriously disappointed . Exclusive to PS3?
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:09:00 - [96] Originally by: Canuk EroSennin LMFAO I find all this very funny... 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. ...this says otherwise - http://www.myshopping.com.au/PR--88814_Sony_Playstation_3_Console?Find=&Sort=PB heh, just realised. This is the most expensive paid expansion of any gaming IP, ever. CCP wants me to go out and put down 5-600 dollars for an online only arena shoebox. Get friggin real.
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:09:00 - [97] Originally by: Canuk EroSennin 2. I own 2 ps3 and never have regretted it....not a fail console at all....they got hacked? so what so do other corperations...it happens...practically all this jazz is just 360 fanboys using this trouble for ammunition. Look, I'm being friendly when I say this ok? Because frankly PS3... XBox... it's just hunks of plastic with TONKA written on it. But no, it's honestly not 360 fanboys making the situation Sony's in appear worse than it is. Yesterday (06/06/11) another Sony service was breached and yes more personal details about THAT services customers have quite probably gone walkies as well. It's not PSN. It's any of the Sony territories & services you've had dealings with that's leaking your personal details out. I know a bit about security and I'm sat there going "Whu?" as yet another Sony system goes **** up.
JackStraw56	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:10:00 - [98] Personally I have an xbox 360 and a PS3. However the PS3 is broken and I'm not planning on buying another. So I guess I won't be buying Dust either.
Gaius Secrteus Special Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:11:00 - [99] PS3 and micro-transactions all in the same month. Must be some new Asian executives running around CCP.
Bane Loppknow Pel Industries	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Canuk EroSennin 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. They cost $ 299 Canadian. Baseline ps3 is 300, add in the PS Move crap, some extra controllers, and a couple games, and you're looking at 500 bucks. At Wal-mart.

Canuk EroSennin Gallente Public Security Section Nine	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:12:00 - [101] Originally by: Rey Bahn Originally by: Canuk EroSennin LMFAO I find all this very funny... 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. ...this says otherwise - http://www.myshopping.com.au/PR--88814_Sony_Playstation_3_Console?Find=&Sort=PB heh, just realised. This is the most expensive paid expansion of any gaming IP, ever. CCP wants me to go out and put down 5-600 dollars for an online only arena shoebox. Get friggin real. .....and this says otherwise http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/-/b9001807.aspx?path=494b5f72235477e6edd073ba6bcf93e2en02 and CCP has chosen the console that fits their wants bests.
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:13:00 - [102] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37 Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This. Agreed Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. Hey Darius - what does 'today' relate to? I have no intention of playing Dust514 now and will never purchase a PS3 but in order for the EVE-PSN link to work are you guys proposing intergrating our ingame id's and histories with Sony whether we play Dust or not? If true, that's not gonna fly matey.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:13:00 - [103] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 07/06/2011 03:16:20 Originally by: Rey Bahn Originally by: Canuk EroSennin LMFAO I find all this very funny... 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. ...this says otherwise - http://www.myshopping.com.au/PR--88814_Sony_Playstation_3_Console?Find=&Sort=PB heh, just realised. This is the most expensive paid expansion of any gaming IP, ever. CCP wants me to go out and put down 5-600 dollars for an online only arena shoebox. Get friggin real. Best Buy has PS3's for sale all day long for $ 299.99. You are not a smart shopper. Edit: You don't need that other crap and you know it. Padding your arguments with junk that has no relevance is not cool brother. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Simply Human	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:16:00 - [104] Originally by: Rey Bahn Originally by: Canuk EroSennin LMFAO I find all this very funny... 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. ...this says otherwise - http://www.myshopping.com.au/PR--88814_Sony_Playstation_3_Console?Find=&Sort=PB heh, just realised. This is the most expensive paid expansion of any gaming IP, ever. CCP wants me to go out and put down 5-600 dollars for an online only arena shoebox. Get friggin real. Dust514 isn't an expansion to EVE, it's a new game that happens to be connected to EVE. You play EVE, people with PS3 play dust and you tell them what to do. It's really not a difficult concept. Yet so many people seem to be having trouble with it.
REiiGN15 Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:17:00 - [105] Honestly, not a lot of EVE players will get this. I want to think that CCP knew this and planned accordingly. Microsoft just places too many restrictions for them to use Xbox Live probably. The way this DUST514 will work sounds totally awesome though. Makes it seem that PI will be very vital in the future for EVE players. ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.
Zofran	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:18:00 - [106] Originally by: CCP Sreegs If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. A bit off topic: but perhaps you should have legal look over your website terms and services - with the spellchecker on en_gb or en_us might help too.

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:22:00 - [107] Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:53 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:29 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:04 Originally by: Rey Bahn Hey Darius - what does 'today' relate to? I have no intention of playing Dust514 now and will never purchase a PS3 but in order for the EVE-PSN link to work are you guys proposing intergrating our ingame id's and histories with Sony whether we play Dust or not? If true, that's not gonna fly matey. The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them.

Yvan Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:26:00 - [108] hahaha wow did a CCPer just give us the "no comment" wow sounds like so many other PS3 "timed" exlusives where games "premier" on a console then release a month later on different platforms lol
Illiquid Assets	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:27:00 - [109] Very disappointed in this announcement, CCP.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:29:00 - [110] plans for 360? at all? u can at least give hope to gamers.

Shoot2kilI Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:31:00 - [111] The only reason I've stayed in the console arena is for Dust. With my (currently 6) active accounts I had planned on participating heavily in Dust514 for the 360. You have made this impossible. I am not purchasing a minimum $350 black paperweight that can, among it's small list of "useful" activities, play bluerays, all while losing heavy-hitting exclusive rights to games such as Final Fantasy, etc. CCP.. Jesus your marketing teams are about as useful as a financial consultant at Enron. If you HONESTLY think that your revenue stream will INCREASE based on a DECREASE in platforms it's available on, I have no words to circumvent the sheer stupidity that is this decision. Congratulations, you've just lost another would-be customer. I vehemently REFUSE to put my information on a network that is so mother **ing broken that a month and a half after ALL of their customers information was leaked, they STILL are losing control over sensitive data. ** that. And so help me God, if you change eve to have anything to do with the Sony Network, you lose all of my accounts, and most of my corp as well. Unchained Potential was really excited to see when Dust was coming out for the 360. You've lost 30+ people that would have bought it for the 360, and if you partner with the Playstation Network on EVE, you will bankrupt yourself. Enjoy the anal with Sony. I hope you get AIDS. CCP - We didn't want those customers anyway.
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:33:00 - [112] Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 07/06/2011 03:16:20 Originally by: Rey Bahn Originally by: Canuk EroSennin LMFAO I find all this very funny... 4. PS3's do not cost 500 dollars LMFAO and if you pay that nowadays...your an idiot. ...this says otherwise - http://www.myshopping.com.au/PR--88814_Sony_Playstation_3_Console?Find=&Sort=PB heh, just realised. This is the most expensive paid expansion of any gaming IP, ever. CCP wants me to go out and put down 5-600 dollars for an online only arena shoebox. Get friggin real. Best Buy has PS3's for sale all day long for $ 299.99. You are not a smart shopper. Edit: You don't need that other crap and you know it. Padding your arguments with junk that has no relevance is not cool brother. www.myshopping.com.au ^^what does the '.au' mean? Hmmmm.. And even if I bought a console from the US I would still need to pay around 50 bucks shipping, then shipment insurance so maybe another 30-50 bucks there. Oh, and a step down convertor as our power supplies are incompatible so add on another 70-120 dollars there as well. And have no warranty too. I still believe this should have been a PC Master Race Steam title for starters and then explore console options after establishment there. It would have more of a chance being an evergreen title in that market. Oh well, I think I'm done with my QQ'ing and will sit back and enjoy the D514 failurecascade train. Afterall, it's a part of EVE we all know and love.
Canuk EroSennin Gallente Public Security Section Nine	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:33:00 - [113] Edited by: Canuk EroSennin on 07/06/2011 03:34:02 Originally by: Herping yourDerp plans for 360? at all? u can at least give hope to gamers. Its not so much CCP that wants PS3 exclusivity....but Microsoft who doesnt want their console games to interact with PC games...they want a closed community now....some games got in before microsoft decided to enforce this. butchered a word ^^
Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:34:00 - [114] look at it the bright way, we'll be able to nuke the buggers from orbit :P
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:38:00 - [115] Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 07/06/2011 03:44:10 Theres nothing that bothers me more than exclusivity contracts but, it is the way of the world, and its really not offered as a choice unless you already have market clout which is tricky to develope without a partner. Jeez, even APPLE , with the huge success of its ipods (let alone all of the macs etc) had to do an exlusive with ATT to role out its iphone ... slightly more a meeting of equals but for ATT to maximize connectivity issues they probably demanded the exclusive which also included mutually beneficial promotions. But, its still something that I don't like and I'll ususally find a way to end-round and cost that type of company money to twist a backstabbing knife a bit . In ccp's sense though, they're more the victim of bullying than the inflictor. Just because they have a relatively successful and durable, if not huge pc game that hardly translates into a presumed console success with a different demographic. They'll need some help with promotion and certainly sony or microsoft might steadfastly refuse exceptions to terms other developers have applied to them without a carrot. Things like privacy of other gamers info, allowing an interface and essentially a cross promotion for a game they have no piece of etc.. well those are big things . I'm curious though, and I'll show my ignorance here. Are there many subscription online console games where people pay more than the game price in terms of a monthly fee that goes to the game companies (not the console companies like 5 bucks a month for unlimmited xbox live on lots of games)? (edit : i'll also say that i'm sorry that it won't be on the xbox as that is my son's platform and a way to have another attempt to get him into the game at the same time I could try it out myself.. would have definitely been a xmas present for him (me lol?). But as I said above.. I doubt there was much choice in the matter given the cirucmstances)
Benilopax Gallente Isotech Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:39:00 - [116] Sounds more like Microsoft not playing ball to me. Screw Microsoft! ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:46:00 - [117] Originally by: Benilopax Sounds more like Microsoft not playing ball to me. Screw Microsoft! Indeed. "Games for Windows" anyone?
Benilopax Gallente Isotech Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:52:00 - [118] Originally by: Agente51 Originally by: Benilopax Sounds more like Microsoft not playing ball to me. Screw Microsoft! Indeed. "Games for Windows" anyone? Quite. I seriously can't believe you people, you blame CCP like it was their fault when it was far more likely a technical issue or Microsoft being their usual unhelpful selves that ended with DUST on the PS3. And for those complaining about the hack, do you think CCP just came up with this plan since it happened? They probably decided on exclusivity long before PSN was compromised. Stop for a second and use your brains! ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.07 03:57:00 - [119] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:53 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:29 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:04 The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them. Thanks for the reply, but I am thinking CCP will have to share all player details of EVE and vice-versa for this to even work. Not looking good. Also, any idea on what happens during daily d/t?? Will the D514 servers be down at the same time and everyday for that matter?
Benilopax Gallente Isotech Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:00:00 - [120] Edited by: Benilopax on 07/06/2011 04:00:42 Originally by: Rey Bahn Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:53 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:29 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:04 The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them. Thanks for the reply, but I am thinking CCP will have to share all player details of EVE and vice-versa for this to even work. Not looking good. Also, any idea on what happens during daily d/t?? Will the D514 servers be down at the same time and everyday for that matter? Why? What have EVE players got to do with mercenaries they will only talk to through eve gate? ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon.

Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:01:00 - [121] It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. - "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object
bastrian	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:06:00 - [122] Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. Right, bombarding the planet with nice heavy 'Orbital Strike', killing many PS3 player will be funny^^
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:07:00 - [123] Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 07/06/2011 04:06:56 Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. Yeah the planet blew up a dread from some kind of installation in the E3 vid in one shot I might add. So don't be too sure.

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:08:00 - [124] Originally by: Rey Bahn Thanks for the reply, but I am thinking CCP will have to share all player details of EVE and vice-versa for this to even work. Not looking good. Also, any idea on what happens during daily d/t?? Will the D514 servers be down at the same time and everyday for that matter? The details do not need to be shared. I can't comment on the technical part so we'll have to wait for someone else to comment on downtime.

Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:10:00 - [125] Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that.
Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:10:00 - [126] Edited by: Agente51 on 07/06/2011 04:13:31 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 07/06/2011 04:06:56 Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. Yeah the planet blew up a dread from some kind of installation in the E3 vid in one shot I might add. So don't be too sure. Hum, so now we will be camped at planet custom offices by orbital death rays ? EDIT: Also?
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:17:00 - [127] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. Exactly what I was referring to. One shotting a dread.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:20:00 - [128] Originally by: Agente51 Edited by: Agente51 on 07/06/2011 04:13:31 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 07/06/2011 04:06:56 Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. Yeah the planet blew up a dread from some kind of installation in the E3 vid in one shot I might add. So don't be too sure. Hum, so now we will be camped at planet custom offices by orbital death rays ? EDIT: Also? CCP will give you a reason to need/want to be in range of the planets. I doubt there will be much of a choice for you.
Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:23:00 - [129] Edited by: Agente51 on 07/06/2011 04:24:38 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Andrea Griffin It doesn't matter what platform those pathetic little men exist on. We have space ships, we rule the skies. They're just a bunch of mud humpers. Don't let them forget that. Exactly what I was referring to. One shotting a dread. look at it the bright way again, after training "Advanced Planet Bombard V", "Planetary Warfare V", "Advanced Orbital Electronics V" plus all of the pre-requisites and 5 years later you'll be able to one-shot the mofo back too and get revenge :) EDIT: But there's a question on everyone's mind, that no one ask. How can you get their corpses? (not me i suck at pvp)
Knight4light	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:25:00 - [130] Dont worry CCP not EVERYONE is mad at you....i think.. its less about the actual ps3 exclusiveness..since that can always change by 2012. its more about everyone and their hurt feelings. =( they need a hug. smirk Anyways. I actually understand some very thoughtful comments in this jumble of hurt feelings. How microsoft probably doesnt want to let you do what you plan on doing with eve. and untill they do that.. xbox might not get dust. and about the whole psn... if all the info is going to be on the eve server... wouldnt that mean you're basically only will be useing psn as an ISP just so you can have the ability to play over the internet. maybe haveing everyones dust data on the server like you have eves. (all be it not personal settings. which are individual computer excluseive) but like ships. money. weapons. etc. is all on the server. that would be cool. and it would make transitioning to the next gen consul that much easier. or even a replacement incase one gets broken. "oh i broke my ps3" few days later "ok.. and set my settings log in...holy **** so much mail! @[email protected]!!! >:D" or something like that. smirks Anyways. just letting you know. there are people who are thinking about how hard you guys work. and shoot. i might only have an xbox right now. but i wanted to buy ps3 and now i just wanna buy one even more! ps. incarna in 14 days

Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:35:00 - [131] Originally by: Knight4light Dont worry CCP not EVERYONE is mad at you....i think.. its less about the actual ps3 exclusiveness..since that can always change by 2012. its more about everyone and their hurt feelings. =( they need a hug. smirk Anyways. I actually understand some very thoughtful comments in this jumble of hurt feelings. How microsoft probably doesnt want to let you do what you plan on doing with eve. and untill they do that.. xbox might not get dust. and about the whole psn... if all the info is going to be on the eve server... wouldnt that mean you're basically only will be useing psn as an ISP just so you can have the ability to play over the internet. maybe haveing everyones dust data on the server like you have eves. (all be it not personal settings. which are individual computer excluseive) but like ships. money. weapons. etc. is all on the server. that would be cool. and it would make transitioning to the next gen consul that much easier. or even a replacement incase one gets broken. "oh i broke my ps3" few days later "ok.. and set my settings log in...holy **** so much mail! @[email protected]!!! >:D" or something like that. smirks Anyways. just letting you know. there are people who are thinking about how hard you guys work. and shoot. i might only have an xbox right now. but i wanted to buy ps3 and now i just wanna buy one even more! ps. incarna in 14 days i saw the E3 presentation stream and my disappointment was mostly due to Dust, which was the real innovation there didn't seemed to have enough spotlight on it. Controlling a game with stickpads? swipe? PSP with more advanced3D capabilities? ****... it's just evolution. Bridging 2 MMO's, a strategy and a fps one ? It pure awesomeness, enough for me to get a PS3 eventually just for it
Otard	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:38:00 - [132] screw you ccp. screw all the morons that work in your department. all that time, exclusivly on the PS3 with no explanation. disgusting. you expect everyone to buy a ps3 JUST for the darn game? sheesh, you guys are idiots.
shashe sin	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:41:00 - [133] DONT BUY IT THEN...
Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:43:00 - [134] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:53 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:29 Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 03:24:04 Originally by: Rey Bahn Hey Darius - what does 'today' relate to? I have no intention of playing Dust514 now and will never purchase a PS3 but in order for the EVE-PSN link to work are you guys proposing intergrating our ingame id's and histories with Sony whether we play Dust or not? If true, that's not gonna fly matey. The "TODAY" statement is merely a way for me to say that we haven't done so and if we do we'll be obligated to say so. I can't make future commitments on behalf of CCP, thus the "today". Today there's no plans to share any of your information you've shared with us for EVE with Sony. If that changes you will all be the first to know about it. I can't predict potential futures and it doesn't make sense for me to comment on them. Sorry, I'm still not convinced or happy. I want concrete and legally-binding answers. -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:43:00 - [135] Congradulations CCP You've successfully guarenteed that next to no players from eve online will bother playing Dust 514 by making it a PS3 "exclusive". If you dont want dust to be a 100% "flop" - IE - Major waste of funds on you're end - i suggest you realy go hard out with the customisation of the soldiers. If everyone wanted to look like a clone, and play the equivilant FPS game - They'd be playing Battlefield. At least they know what they're getting. Who am i kidding - youv'e allready F'd urselves over by doign what you've done by making it PS3 exclusive. CONGRATS CCP U SO SMARTS
Sassums Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:45:00 - [136] Yeah it should have been put on the Xbox 360.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:48:00 - [137] Originally by: Sassums Yeah it should have been put on the Xbox 360. Should have been put on the scrap heap a year back.
Knight4light Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:48:00 - [138] Originally by: Agente51 Originally by: Knight4light Dont worry CCP not EVERYONE is mad at you....i think.. its less about the actual ps3 exclusiveness..since that can always change by 2012. its more about everyone and their hurt feelings. =( they need a hug. smirk Anyways. I actually understand some very thoughtful comments in this jumble of hurt feelings. How microsoft probably doesnt want to let you do what you plan on doing with eve. and untill they do that.. xbox might not get dust. and about the whole psn... if all the info is going to be on the eve server... wouldnt that mean you're basically only will be useing psn as an ISP just so you can have the ability to play over the internet. maybe haveing everyones dust data on the server like you have eves. (all be it not personal settings. which are individual computer excluseive) but like ships. money. weapons. etc. is all on the server. that would be cool. and it would make transitioning to the next gen consul that much easier. or even a replacement incase one gets broken. "oh i broke my ps3" few days later "ok.. and set my settings log in...holy **** so much mail! @[email protected]!!! >:D" or something like that. smirks Anyways. just letting you know. there are people who are thinking about how hard you guys work. and shoot. i might only have an xbox right now. but i wanted to buy ps3 and now i just wanna buy one even more! ps. incarna in 14 days i saw the E3 presentation stream and my disappointment was mostly due to Dust, which was the real innovation there didn't seemed to have enough spotlight on it. Controlling a game with stickpads? swipe? PSP with more advanced3D capabilities? ****... it's just evolution. Bridging 2 MMO's, a strategy and a fps one ? It pure awesomeness, enough for me to get a PS3 eventually just for it exactly! remember people.. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP!! dont be thinking it will be like the future vision right out of the gate. This is just the begining of something new, which makes microsoft even more of a lamer....they put too much restrictions on live that they are missing out on a Huge oportunity to be part of something that can revolutionize the gaming industry! And CCP knew this was a gamble cuz trying to do what they are doing could always blow up in their face! Though i really hope not.. i hope our space guns blow up the faces of all the little kids on the ps3 and who knows maybe by the time the future vision is possible... microsoft will be more leniant! keep it up ccp!! DONT GIVE UP THE DREAM!
Cpt Darius Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:50:00 - [139] so many tears
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:54:00 - [140] The tears here are epic. Hey how about all you people blinded by your rabid fanboyism try to open your eyes for one second and realize this is most likely microsofts fault. You think CCP wouldn't want to double their player base for this game? I would bet lots of money that microsofts system was either entirely to restrictive, or plain impossible to implement this on.

Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:55:00 - [141] Hey guys, if you at ccp didn't hear, Sony game network got hacked again and more accounts were stolen this last monday. It was also hacked 2 weeks ago. It was also hacked 2 months ago and was shut down for 2 months. So my question is........ WHY? Even Nintentdo's wii network is more secure than sony's. I hope you guys are going to run it off of a different network that doesnt require you to connect to any of sony's crap.
Nawt Ovarpwiced	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:57:00 - [142] then have them publicly say Microsof told them to get lost and my anger will then be directed at microsoft. Every man and his dog has an xbox PS3......... not so much the problem is 90% of the people that were looking forward to playing dust DONT HAVE A PS3. And certainly are not going to spend $400 buying one just for 1 game
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 04:59:00 - [143] Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Every man and his dog has an xbox PS3......... not so much Mehà Last I saw any numbers, the 360 had 6% more units out there than the PS3 (53M vs. 50). So if ever man and his dog has an xbox, every woman and her cat has a ps3. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Agente51	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:02:00 - [144] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Hey guys, if you at ccp didn't hear, Sony game network got hacked again and more accounts were stolen this last monday. It was also hacked 2 weeks ago. It was also hacked 2 months ago and was shut down for 2 months. So my question is........ WHY? Even Nintentdo's wii network is more secure than sony's. I hope you guys are going to run it off of a different network that doesnt require you to connect to any of sony's crap. also, and going a bit off-topic, they [Sony] have an history of screwing "homebrew jailbreaking i-bought-it-i-can-do-wtf-i-want-with-it developers", which just shows how duches they are. That, the RootkitGate and now, for the 2nd time the PSNHackGate ... Now think how bad was the possible Microsoft deal, for CCP to go with Sony ...
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:05:00 - [145] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Every man and his dog has an xbox PS3......... not so much Mehà Last I saw any numbers, the 360 had 6% more units out there than the PS3 (53M vs. 50). So if ever man and his dog has an xbox, every woman and her cat has a ps3. hehehe Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:09:00 - [146] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Hey guys, if you at ccp didn't hear, Sony game network got hacked again and more accounts were stolen this last monday. It was also hacked 2 weeks ago. It was also hacked 2 months ago and was shut down for 2 months. So my question is........ WHY? Even Nintentdo's wii network is more secure than sony's. I hope you guys are going to run it off of a different network that doesnt require you to connect to any of sony's crap. Linkage


CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:12:00 - [147] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Sorry, I'm still not convinced or happy. I want concrete and legally-binding answers. You got as concrete an answer as is possible to give by anyone and our legally binding privacy and other agreements we've made with you are still just as legally binding. Aside from telling you flat out you have nothing to worry about there's not much more I can say.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:18:00 - [148] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Every man and his dog has an xbox PS3......... not so much Mehà Last I saw any numbers, the 360 had 6% more units out there than the PS3 (53M vs. 50). So if ever man and his dog has an xbox, every woman and her cat has a ps3. hehehe Actually, those numbers should probably be switched around ù I seem to recall that there are more women than men around, and more cats than there are dogs. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:20:00 - [149] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nawt Ovarpwiced Every man and his dog has an xbox PS3......... not so much Mehà Last I saw any numbers, the 360 had 6% more units out there than the PS3 (53M vs. 50). So if ever man and his dog has an xbox, every woman and her cat has a ps3. Where are those numbers coming from? Are they worldwide statistics or valid for a specific country? Furthermore, I'm supremely confident that EVE's userbase has more 360's. Demographics for the game would indicate as much-the 360, being less expensive, would appeal more to people with jobs, whereas the initially incredibly expensive PS3 would appeal to people who get things from mommy and daddy (see WoW). In any case...I'm disappointed with both CCP and Microsoft. I can understand CCP having problems with MS, but I think the solution would have been to jointly release on PC and on PS3-I think renewed negotiations with Sony after their **-ups in the past few months would certainly have been feasible. I wouldn't be surprised if exclusivity was part of the original deal, but after hemorrhaging personal data for two months, I can't imagine Sony is doing well financially, and a threat, even from a small company, of backing out on a deal would be more serious at this point. But what do I know, it's only my area of expertise. I was hoping it would be a 360/PS3 release, but if they're going to bypass the 360, the least they could do is put it on the PC so EVE players can actually try it out. I hate to jump on this bandwagon, but I'm not going to spend $500 to play Dust. And yes, it would be $500, minimum, after my identity was stolen and I paid for their **ty microtransactions to be competitive.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:23:00 - [150] Quote: yeah because playing an fps without a controller is "better" Dude night and day... I suck at COD on 360... On PC I can score top 5. BFBC2 top 3. Now if they would only make the Halos for PC I could prove it's just the damn controller!! and not me. In any case I assume this has to do with the inability to allow cross communication between the platforms...or if it's possible Micro, and sony dont want to allow it or care to find out. Thus they had to choose the platform that they believed was going to have longer staying power...(insert PE joke here) If this is not the case...why lose revenue streams. Hell Square even stopped that.

Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:29:00 - [151] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Sorry, I'm still not convinced or happy. I want concrete and legally-binding answers. You got as concrete an answer as is possible to give by anyone and our legally binding privacy and other agreements we've made with you are still just as legally binding. Aside from telling you flat out you have nothing to worry about there's not much more I can say. Press release. You have a month. -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:31:00 - [152] CCP have stated many times that their aiming for a new market with dust. X+ pages of you moaning about it means nothing, you're not the target audience. You'll continue to play and support eve with you subs/pilots extentions, ccp will aim for a new set with the new game. Simple as.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:34:00 - [153] Originally by: Tinwe Linto Where are those numbers coming from? Are they worldwide statistics or valid for a specific country? Worldwide, I think. But yes, there are regional differences ù half the 360 userbase is in the US, and a quarter in the EU, whereas the PS3 is more popular than the 360 in Europe (and certainly in Japan). Overall, the PS3 has a much broader distribution Quote: Demographics for the game would indicate as much-the 360, being less expensive, would appeal more to people with jobs, whereas the initially incredibly expensive PS3 would appeal to people who get things from mommy and daddy (see WoW). Riiightà if mommy and daddy can afford the PS3, then it's because they have jobs, so that's somewhat disingenuous. Hell, that was (partly) why I bought a PS3: because I had a job and therefore could afford it. In fact, if we're going to use that kind of logic, I'd say the opposite is the case: 360s for the kids, because they're already a burden and their parent's can't afford any more ù PS3s for the young professional without a money-sink and therefore a nice chunk of disposable income. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:34:00 - [154] Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 05:36:37 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:53:25 why am i going to buy a game thats with a company that cant keep its online server safe from hacking or keep it up and online? second is the dust 514 server going to be just like the sony online server? supposably unhackable? thanks i like keeping my personal information as my own. so answer the question of secruirty for dust514 and i might consider having second thoughs of no bother waisting money for another game system just to play it exclusivly... answer that please? There is no such thing as completely unhackable, there are merely degrees of hackability. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing rays of sunshine in your eye. That's merely an academic statement. We will speak more about the interaction between EVE and Dust in the near future as it becomes more final. As I stated here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523611&page=3#88 we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. its oki when nitendo comes out with their next console playstation will go bye bye they almost did the last time when wii came out... nitendo ****d sony and sony doesnt have a large enough selection of game that would make me go buy it when everyone and their brother that i know owns a Xbox i trade games all the time. oh and CCP FALLOUT im still not satified on the whole we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. to me this is open ended that yes we might do push your information and not say a word... i know your busy trying to get the masses to stop gerking out on yall but i have to be sure from my view point. last thing i need is my personal info out and about its bad enough i already have family that have identy theif so that the only reason why im going on this.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:40:00 - [155] Originally by: Claudia Voltaire CCP have stated many times that their aiming for a new market with dust. X+ pages of you moaning about it means nothing, you're not the target audience. àin fact, they were looking for the diametrically opposed player. (Yes, I think I have almost every second of that video bookmarked by nowà :P) ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:41:00 - [156] Originally by: Blacksquirrel Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 07/06/2011 05:29:41 Quote: yeah because playing an fps without a controller is "better" Dude night and day... I suck at COD on 360... On PC I can score top 5. BFBC2 top 3. Now if they would only make the Halos for PC I could prove it's just the damn controller!! and not me. In any case I assume this has to do with the inability to allow cross communication between the platforms...or if it's possible Micro, and sony dont want to allow it or care to find out. Thus they had to choose the platform that they believed was going to have longer staying power...(insert PE joke here) If this is not the case...why lose revenue streams. Hell Square even stopped that. Also all I want to know is...can I paint my gun in ridiculous ****ing colors? Cause if I can't what's the god damned point? Furthermore COD uses the rolling stones...BF3 has that trippy sound at the end of their videos... What's Dust's selling soundtrack to get me in the shooty mood? 100% prefer fps on pc rather than console
Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:48:00 - [157] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tinwe Linto Where are those numbers coming from? Are they worldwide statistics or valid for a specific country? Worldwide, I think. But yes, there are regional differences ù half the 360 userbase is in the US, and a quarter in the EU, whereas the PS3 is more popular than the 360 in Europe (and certainly in Japan). Overall, the PS3 has a much broader distribution Quote: Demographics for the game would indicate as much-the 360, being less expensive, would appeal more to people with jobs, whereas the initially incredibly expensive PS3 would appeal to people who get things from mommy and daddy (see WoW). Riiightà if mommy and daddy can afford the PS3, then it's because they have jobs, so that's somewhat disingenuous. Hell, that was (partly) why I bought a PS3: because I had a job and therefore could afford it. In fact, if we're going to use that kind of logic, I'd say the opposite is the case: 360s for the kids, because they're already a burden and their parent's can't afford any more ù PS3s for the young professional without a money-sink and therefore a nice chunk of disposable income. Fair enough on the demographics part, it was somewhat of a stretch; but the rest of my post holds. I bought my own 360, and I see no reason to buy my own PS3; I live in the US, and I have no interest in a system that A) can't keep my information secure, B) has a very limited selection of games I would enjoy, C) costs more than any other system currently available (excluding high-end PC's, which isn't a fair comparison anyway), and D) is not owned by any of my friends, making social gaming, excluding online play (which I'd avoid on the PSN right now anyway), very difficult. And (I'm not 100% sure on this, but I do recall seeing a chart from CCP with this info on it) most of EVE's players are from the US, so, on average, I think an EVE player would be more likely to own a 360. I'm also aware that Dust is meant to appeal to an audience outside the EVE community; but I have to question the sanity of releasing another shooter whose only distinguishing feature is that you can interact with people you'll never meet. It seems like a catch-22; you want players to buy into the game, but CCP has delivered the game ono a platform where the most interested players, the EVE community, will have the least likelihood of being able to play. Expanding your target market is all well and good, but the strategy here is all wrong-it's putting the cart before the horse.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:50:00 - [158] Originally by: Knight4light This is just the begining of something new, ...... that can revolutionize the gaming industry! What a load of crap.
CLONE 9 Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:51:00 - [159] Have PS3 = Happy Have xbox or pc = Mummy mummy they won't make the sky orange just for me and ohhhhh the sky, the sky is falling and my tears will drown us all. Help help I've just peed myself. I have a PS3 so my pants are dry. If only we could convert the angst on this forum to electricity, then the worlds power problems would be over.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 05:54:00 - [160] Originally by: Tinwe Linto snip I'm also aware that Dust is meant to appeal to an audience outside the EVE community; but I have to question the sanity of releasing another shooter whose only distinguishing feature is that you can interact with people you'll never meet. It seems like a catch-22; you want players to buy into the game, but CCP has delivered the game ono a platform where the most interested players, the EVE community, will have the least likelihood of being able to play. Expanding your target market is all well and good, but the strategy here is all wrong-it's putting the cart before the horse. You question the sanity in this decision? Do you posses any experience in the fields of managing a 600-head company or in marketing of software, games especially? Do you have any first hand experience of what is going on at CCP headquarters? Thought it.. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!

Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:01:00 - [161] Originally by: Tres Farmer You question the sanity in this decision? Do you posses any experience in the fields of managing a 600-head company or in marketing of software, games especially? Do you have any first hand experience of what is going on at CCP headquarters? Thought it.. Sorry, I don't live in Iceland; I do have experience with marketing, though. Explain to me, then, why it is sane to **** off a large portion of your potential customers. Do you honestly believe the E3 demo caught that much attention? If you're going for the "diametrically opposed players," I don't think the demo was going to appeal to those.
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:03:00 - [162] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tinwe Linto snip I'm also aware that Dust is meant to appeal to an audience outside the EVE community; but I have to question the sanity of releasing another shooter whose only distinguishing feature is that you can interact with people you'll never meet. It seems like a catch-22; you want players to buy into the game, but CCP has delivered the game ono a platform where the most interested players, the EVE community, will have the least likelihood of being able to play. Expanding your target market is all well and good, but the strategy here is all wrong-it's putting the cart before the horse. You question the sanity in this decision? Do you posses any experience in the fields of managing a 600-head company or in marketing of software, games especially? Do you have any first hand experience of what is going on at CCP headquarters? Thought it..
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:04:00 - [163] Originally by: Tinwe Linto I bought my own 360, and I see no reason to buy my own PS3; I live in the US, and I have no interest in a system that A) can't keep my information secure, B) has a very limited selection of games I would enjoy, C) costs more than any other system currently available (excluding high-end PC's, which isn't a fair comparison anyway), and D) is not owned by any of my friends, making social gaming, excluding online play (which I'd avoid on the PSN right now anyway), very difficult. And as a point of comparison: A) neither can Microsoft ù they've had their run-ins as well. B) The PS3 has the selection of games I would enjoy, because it features a wider range of games and genres than the Xbox (btw, watch this episode of Extra Credits if you haven't already ù I think it has some relevance to the topic at hand). C) The two cost the same these days, and for the price, I feel the simply PS3 offers you better kit ù not necessarily in the "game oomph" meaning, but in terms of functionality. D) Everyone else with a console around here has a PS3, and network play has been trouble-free aside from the hacking debacle. Want to compare the prevalence of RRODsà? Quote: And (I'm not 100% sure on this, but I do recall seeing a chart from CCP with this info on it) most of EVE's players are from the US, so, on average, I think an EVE player would be more likely to own a 360. The US is the biggest country, yes, but it's basically tied with Europe as a whole. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Pheonix Dragoon	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:06:00 - [164] Reminds me of the decision a long while back to allow deviantart judges to judge a spaceship contest instead of eve players judging it. CCP's think tank that thought up that was a fail. It would appear this decision to make ps3 exclusive to Dust means they still are working at CCP.
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:09:00 - [165] Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 06:11:14 Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 06:10:09 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tinwe Linto I bought my own 360, and I see no reason to buy my own PS3; I live in the US, and I have no interest in a system that A) can't keep my information secure, B) has a very limited selection of games I would enjoy, C) costs more than any other system currently available (excluding high-end PC's, which isn't a fair comparison anyway), and D) is not owned by any of my friends, making social gaming, excluding online play (which I'd avoid on the PSN right now anyway), very difficult. And as a point of comparison: A) neither can Microsoft ù they've had their run-ins as well. B) The PS3 has the selection of games I would enjoy, because it features a wider range of games and genres than the Xbox (btw, watch this episode of Extra Credits if you haven't already ù I think it has some relevance to the topic at hand). C) The two cost the same these days, and for the price, I feel the simply PS3 offers you better kit ù not necessarily in the "game oomph" meaning, but in terms of functionality. D) Everyone else with a console around here has a PS3, and network play has been trouble-free aside from the hacking debacle. Want to compare the prevalence of RRODsà? Quote: And (I'm not 100% sure on this, but I do recall seeing a chart from CCP with this info on it) most of EVE's players are from the US, so, on average, I think an EVE player would be more likely to own a 360. The US is the biggest country, yes, but it's basically tied with Europe as a whole. oki yes they cost the same so yeah, oki lets look more closely... xbox live $50 for a year sony online or what ever free... sony online hacked how many times in the past few weeks? xbox live, i havent heard if its ever been hack hasn't been on fox or cnn. where are you at where everyone has PS3? me xbox... camp pendleton, ca. 11 out of 12 marines xbox 360 and playstation players are switching over to xbox ever since sony was on the news. in short you get what you pay for free = not as safe or secure in my view = me not interest and im sure that their are plenty in the same boat as me.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:10:00 - [166] Edited by: Tippia on 07/06/2011 06:16:44 Originally by: Pheonix Dragoon It would appear this decision to make ps3 exclusive to Dust means they still are working at CCP. No. It means they're working at Microsoft. Originally by: Max Gades sony online hacked how many times in the past few weeks? Twice, apparently. Or wellà once, plus a password retrieval exploit on the Station website. Quote: xbox live, i havent heard if its ever been hack hasn't been on fox or cnn. There are plenty of examples. Quote: where are you at where everyone has PS3? Like I said, in Europe, there are more PS3s around than 360s. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:12:00 - [167] So you guys seriously think CCP would have excluded the Xbox without a good reason? really? Take a step back and think about it. It's obvious Microsoft didn't want to allow Dust514 to work as envisioned by CCP on the Xbox network so your anger should be directed to Microsoft. I can't find some comments made by Hilmar at E3 again at the moment, but it seemed to me if you read between the lines that Hilmar was disappointed that they couldn't come to some aggreement with Microsoft to have Dust514 on Xbox. (if i can find the site again I will post the link) And for those asking for Dust514 on PC, I gave up playing Global Agenda because I was sick to death of hackers in it. Getting shot by someone jet-packing from across the other side of the map doesn't equal fun. Aimbots and the like have destroyed FPS's on PC.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:15:00 - [168] Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 05:38:23 Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 05:36:37 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:53:25 why am i going to buy a game thats with a company that cant keep its online server safe from hacking or keep it up and online? second is the dust 514 server going to be just like the sony online server? supposably unhackable? thanks i like keeping my personal information as my own. so answer the question of secruirty for dust514 and i might consider having second thoughs of no bother waisting money for another game system just to play it exclusivly... answer that please? There is no such thing as completely unhackable, there are merely degrees of hackability. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing rays of sunshine in your eye. That's merely an academic statement. We will speak more about the interaction between EVE and Dust in the near future as it becomes more final. As I stated here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523611&page=3#88 we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. its oki when nitendo comes out with their next console playstation will go bye bye they almost did the last time when wii came out... nitendo ****d sony and sony doesnt have a large enough selection of game that would make me go buy it when everyone and their brother that i know owns a Xbox i trade games all the time. oh and CCP FALLOUT im still not satified on the whole we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. to me this is open ended that yes we might/will push your information... i know your busy trying to get the masses to stop gerking out on yall but i have to be sure from my view point. last thing i need is my personal info out and about its bad enough i already have family that have identy theif so that the only reason why im going on this. console related forum topics sure bring out the worst in 12 year old whiners doesn't it? The amount of blatant ignorance posted here by people like you, and other is just mind blowing. CCP please see the reactions here as coming from the worst type of console fanboy, and not your player base in general... children always cry the loudest.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:18:00 - [169] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tinwe Linto Where are those numbers coming from? Are they worldwide statistics or valid for a specific country? Worldwide, I think. But yes, there are regional differences ù half the 360 userbase is in the US, and a quarter in the EU, whereas the PS3 is more popular than the 360 in Europe (and certainly in Japan). Overall, the PS3 has a much broader distribution Quote: Demographics for the game would indicate as much-the 360, being less expensive, would appeal more to people with jobs, whereas the initially incredibly expensive PS3 would appeal to people who get things from mommy and daddy (see WoW). Riiightà if mommy and daddy can afford the PS3, then it's because they have jobs, so that's somewhat disingenuous. Hell, that was (partly) why I bought a PS3: because I had a job and therefore could afford it. In fact, if we're going to use that kind of logic, I'd say the opposite is the case: 360s for the kids, because they're already a burden and their parent's can't afford any more ù PS3s for the young professional without a money-sink and therefore a nice chunk of disposable income. call me crazy, but US and EU are the largest eve market... and based on that, 360 would make the most sense. do people in japan even play eve, and i dont mean hey im in japan i play eve, i mean like... hey me and 20 of my japanese friends play eve and 20 of their friends do also.
enterprisePSI Unimatrix 0.1	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:21:00 - [170] The gallons of angry emo rage tears flow will sustain me for quite some time as for the game, i don't give a frak The Pod Log. \|\|\| I MADE TWEET Y U NO FOLLOW!?

Olivor	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:21:00 - [171] Crysis 2 sales figures: 57% 360 29% PS3 14% PC Brink sales figures: 69% 360 23% PS3 8% PC Yep, well done on taking Sony's money and making it a PS3 exclusive. Please, PLEASE tell me that "will premiere exclusively" means that after a month it'll be available for the 360?
Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:21:00 - [172] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tinwe Linto I bought my own 360, and I see no reason to buy my own PS3; I live in the US, and I have no interest in a system that A) can't keep my information secure, B) has a very limited selection of games I would enjoy, C) costs more than any other system currently available (excluding high-end PC's, which isn't a fair comparison anyway), and D) is not owned by any of my friends, making social gaming, excluding online play (which I'd avoid on the PSN right now anyway), very difficult. And as a point of comparison: A) neither can Microsoft ù they've had their run-ins as well. B) The PS3 has the selection of games I would enjoy, because it features a wider range of games and genres than the Xbox (btw, watch this episode of Extra Credits if you haven't already ù I think it has some relevance to the topic at hand). C) The two cost the same these days, and for the price, I feel the simply PS3 offers you better kit ù not necessarily in the "game oomph" meaning, but in terms of functionality. D) Everyone else with a console around here has a PS3, and network play has been trouble-free aside from the hacking debacle. Want to compare the prevalence of RRODsà? Quote: And (I'm not 100% sure on this, but I do recall seeing a chart from CCP with this info on it) most of EVE's players are from the US, so, on average, I think an EVE player would be more likely to own a 360. The US is the biggest country, yes, but it's basically tied with Europe as a whole. Mostly differences in opinion there, then; I wasn't sure about the numbers, but that would make sense if the US was tied with the rest of Europe. Also interesting episode, I hadn't seen that before. I'll admit that much-the PS3 does offer a wider range of decent games across genres. My tastes are somewhat limited, and the 360 offers the genres that I play most-RPG's and shooters, either third or first-person. Also bear in mind that I don't watch many movies, so playing Blu-Rays meant, and means, nothing to me. I know network play itself has been decent on the PS3-I just wouldn't want to trust my information to the PSN. I have a hard enough time with XBOX Live. Also: I have no loyalty to Microsoft. As I was telling my friend: I actually have what I'd call "negative loyalty" to MS. I would go out of my way to hurt the company, because I have had many problems with both their shoddy hardware and their awful customer service. On the other hand, I have also not had my identity stolen the entire time I have owned a MS product. I don't have any loyalty to Sony, and with the way the PSN has been hacked lately, I still see no reason to invest anything into getting a PS3. I would honestly rather play games with my friends in person than online, and that's not possible when none of my friends have a PS3. Again, just a fundamental difference, since I'm in the US and I'm inferring you are not (or live in an area of the US where more people own PS3's)-no fault of Sony there. Ultimately I'm just frustrated that a game I was excited about is getting released on a system that I know I will never buy. I'm also put off by it being based off of micro transactions, although that was already announced, so it wasn't a surprise.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:22:00 - [173] Originally by: Tinwe Linto Originally by: Tres Farmer You question the sanity in this decision? Do you posses any experience in the fields of managing a 600-head company or in marketing of software, games especially? Do you have any first hand experience of what is going on at CCP headquarters? Thought it.. Sorry, I don't live in Iceland; I do have experience with marketing, though. Explain to me, then, why it is sane to ** off a large portion of your potential customers. Do you honestly believe the E3 demo caught that much attention? If you're going for the "diametrically opposed players," I don't think the demo was going to appeal to those. It wasn't the LAUNCH of Dust514.. it was just an announcement that it will come to the PS3 exclusively. If you're in marketing you should KNOW the difference. Also, they didn't ** off THEIR potential customers, as THEIR potential customers are PS3 owners that want to play an FPSMMORPG. Microsoft removed the XBOX owners from the equation, CCP wasn't at fault, except if you want to play Dust514 on MS-terms (CCP doesn't want you to play Dust on MS-terms). CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs. It's all there in plain straight facts. Why do you people don't get that and move on with your lives? Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Nybbas Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 05:38:23 Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 05:36:37 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:53:25 why am i going to buy a game thats with a company that cant keep its online server safe from hacking or keep it up and online? second is the dust 514 server going to be just like the sony online server? supposably unhackable? thanks i like keeping my personal information as my own. so answer the question of secruirty for dust514 and i might consider having second thoughs of no bother waisting money for another game system just to play it exclusivly... answer that please? There is no such thing as completely unhackable, there are merely degrees of hackability. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing rays of sunshine in your eye. That's merely an academic statement. We will speak more about the interaction between EVE and Dust in the near future as it becomes more final. As I stated here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523611&page=3#88 we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. its oki when nitendo comes out with their next console playstation will go bye bye they almost did the last time when wii came out... nitendo **d sony and sony doesnt have a large enough selection of game that would make me go buy it when everyone and their brother that i know owns a Xbox i trade games all the time. oh and CCP FALLOUT im still not satified on the whole we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. to me this is open ended that yes we might/will push your information... i know your busy trying to get the masses to stop gerking out on yall but i have to be sure from my view point. last thing i need is my personal info out and about its bad enough i already have family that have identy theif so that the only reason why im going on this. console related forum topics sure bring out the worst in 12 year old whiners doesn't it? The amount of blatant ignorance posted here by people like you, and other is just mind blowing. CCP please see the reactions here as coming from the worst type of console fanboy, and not your player base in general... children always cry the loudest. sorry for taking my personal concers that might be the same as other. and for the record i hardly get on the xbox anymore because im to busy with eve. and to add on i was very interest in maybe actually playing dust but now i have no interest. sorry but if you become a vic of identiy theif all i can say is that it was coming. "we aren't currently" is more than enough to tell me that it will eventually happen unless they say it publicly that they WILL NOT is what im getting at. no one care that its on PS3 to be honest. everyones **ed that is only sony and that they have had secruity breach after secruity breach. so stop being short sited and look at the big picture.
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:26:00 - [175] Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 06:27:14 Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tinwe Linto Originally by: Tres Farmer You question the sanity in this decision? Do you posses any experience in the fields of managing a 600-head company or in marketing of software, games especially? Do you have any first hand experience of what is going on at CCP headquarters? Thought it.. Sorry, I don't live in Iceland; I do have experience with marketing, though. Explain to me, then, why it is sane to ** off a large portion of your potential customers. Do you honestly believe the E3 demo caught that much attention? If you're going for the "diametrically opposed players," I don't think the demo was going to appeal to those. It wasn't the LAUNCH of Dust514.. it was just an announcement that it will come to the PS3 exclusively. If you're in marketing you should KNOW the difference. Also, they didn't ** off THEIR potential customers, as THEIR potential customers are PS3 owners that want to play an FPSMMORPG. Microsoft removed the XBOX owners from the equation, CCP wasn't at fault, except if you want to play Dust514 on MS-terms (CCP doesn't want you to play Dust on MS-terms). CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs. It's all there in plain straight facts. Why do you people don't get that and move on with your lives? FPSMMORPG is the first of its kind. Dust514 is the first of its kind type game. even if its bombs and is a mega flop in the end they make their money thats all there is to it.
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:26:00 - [176] Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos So you guys seriously think CCP would have excluded the Xbox without a good reason? really? Take a step back and think about it. It's obvious Microsoft didn't want to allow Dust514 to work as envisioned by CCP on the Xbox network so your anger should be directed to Microsoft. I can't find some comments made by Hilmar at E3 again at the moment, but it seemed to me if you read between the lines that Hilmar was disappointed that they couldn't come to some aggreement with Microsoft to have Dust514 on Xbox. (if i can find the site again I will post the link) And for those asking for Dust514 on PC, I gave up playing Global Agenda because I was sick to death of hackers in it. Getting shot by someone jet-packing from across the other side of the map doesn't equal fun. Aimbots and the like have destroyed FPS's on PC. I took a step back and thought about it ... yes i do think CCP does things without good reason (you don't go to null much do you) And what makes you think MS "didn't want to allow Dust514 to work as envisioned by CCP" i mean really what makes it so obvious? Maybe because XBOX live doesn't allow external connections .... MEHHHH!!!! HL2 and Portal both do.... What seems more obvious is that MS didn't want a separate economy in xbox live and CCP wanted to screw you out of every dollar they can isn't that more obvious ? think about it
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:28:00 - [177] Originally by: CLONE 9 Have PS3 = Happy Have xbox or pc = Mummy mummy they won't make the sky orange just for me and ohhhhh the sky, the sky is falling and my tears will drown us all. Help help I've just peed myself. I have a PS3 so my pants are dry. If only we could convert the angst on this forum to electricity, then the worlds power problems would be over. hi i announce a game 3 years ago every time i show it i show it on 360 with 360 controlers a 360 magazine writes articles on it i never say it wont be 360 during development i wait until 3 years later to say, oh yea next year the game comes out, its for PS3 only. it has nothing to do with what people ***** about, they said dust wont be on PC years ago. quit crying about it. they have hardly if at all hinted at the game going to sony... then OH HEY SONY EXCLUSIVE. stab in the back is the only way to say it. when dust dies, and it will die, maybe CCP will admit they failed or at least figure out that a 360 version of the game might have lasted longer. unfortunately, knowing how gamers work, and i know how different consoles yield different gamers. PS3 kids are almost as bad as PC elitist.. they want the best graphics, dont and are more solo then team based. based on what i have seen, graphics are lacking the game was made for 360. its apparent. PS3 gamers want to ride solo. Dust looks like you need a team. PS3 gamers... well... it seems they don't like shooters as much as 360 gamers...
Pyro Ninja Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:29:00 - [178] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Sorry, I'm still not convinced or happy. I want concrete and legally-binding answers. You got as concrete an answer as is possible to give by anyone and our legally binding privacy and other agreements we've made with you are still just as legally binding. Aside from telling you flat out you have nothing to worry about there's not much more I can say. Press release. You have a month. Wow really? Your just ****ed. One the Eula states they will not disclose information. Two, There is no need to give SOE any user information since Eve online is not played on there network. Three, the only way for SOE to get your information is if you sign up and play one of their games on their network. If your so worried about your personal information getting out why are you even online?? To be more secure you should delete your online account and blow up your computer. Oh and since the national power grid in the good old USA is hacked by foreign sources on an almost daily basis, you should shut off your power, your cell phone is being traced as well so you will have to turn that off and destroy it. Sony is not the only company that has been hacked before, almost any place you put your personal info into has been hack at one point. Grow up get a life no one cares that you like to watch animal **
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:31:00 - [179] Originally by: Herping yourDerp Originally by: CLONE 9 Have PS3 = Happy Have xbox or pc = Mummy mummy they won't make the sky orange just for me and ohhhhh the sky, the sky is falling and my tears will drown us all. Help help I've just peed myself. I have a PS3 so my pants are dry. If only we could convert the angst on this forum to electricity, then the worlds power problems would be over. hi i announce a game 3 years ago every time i show it i show it on 360 with 360 controlers a 360 magazine writes articles on it i never say it wont be 360 during development i wait until 3 years later to say, oh yea next year the game comes out, its for PS3 only. it has nothing to do with what people ***** about, they said dust wont be on PC years ago. quit crying about it. they have hardly if at all hinted at the game going to sony... then OH HEY SONY EXCLUSIVE. stab in the back is the only way to say it. when dust dies, and it will die, maybe CCP will admit they failed or at least figure out that a 360 version of the game might have lasted longer. unfortunately, knowing how gamers work, and i know how different consoles yield different gamers. PS3 kids are almost as bad as PC elitist.. they want the best graphics, dont and are more solo then team based. based on what i have seen, graphics are lacking the game was made for 360. its apparent. PS3 gamers want to ride solo. Dust looks like you need a team. PS3 gamers... well... it seems they don't like shooters as much as 360 gamers... yet again another awesome observation that i love plus 1!
Dinta Zembo	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:32:00 - [180] Are you f*cking kidding me? Playstation exclusive? Thanks for hammering all the eve/xbox users into the ground ccp. You rock!

trader tom Bererund	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:33:00 - [181] I have only one thing to say my fellow eve pilots. GIVE CCP A MESSAGE THEY WON'T SOON FORGET!!! remember guys the planet belongs to the 12 year olds. But in space, that belongs to us!!! i was on the page for the ps3 video and i noticed something. the dev that was answering the questions did not answer a single question that was raised about why it is not being a multi-console game nor answered a single eve player's question. nice ccp to totally insult your true customer base. i will even bet that ccp will protect the snot nose little 12 year olds by saying piracy or deliberate bombing of planets will not be allowed unless you are actively participating in the fight. on the planet maybe but in eve space, THAT BELONGS TO US PILOTS! I SAY LETS PUT CCP ON NOTICE! we will destroy any and all ships participating in the dust514 gameplay. to put it short, we show the little snots what being an eve pilot really is. "there are no rewards without the risk" time to put those words to the test and see if ccp will honor those words. what about it dev? care to answer or reply to it? mark my words pilots. we will be forgotten in all this. this will become like wow real quick. its already starting. take away the learning skills. Make missioning easier. look at the total nurfing of null. mark my words this game will become a wow clone. so what about it dev? make an honest effort to ease us pilots. you will end up sharing ALL of our information with sony. you will have no choice. i for one along with prob 50k other pilots will leave this game. you have no answers for that one cause you know it will happen. you have no answers for any of this cause you know i'm right. answer this if you dare.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:34:00 - [182] Originally by: Herping yourDerp call me crazy, but US and EU are the largest eve market... and based on that, 360 would make the most sense. Perhaps. But Microsoft didn't want the business. vOv Quote: do people in japan even play eve They're about 1%, according to wikipedia, if you trust that numberà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:35:00 - [183] Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 06:36:12 Originally by: Pyro Ninja Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Sorry, I'm still not convinced or happy. I want concrete and legally-binding answers. You got as concrete an answer as is possible to give by anyone and our legally binding privacy and other agreements we've made with you are still just as legally binding. Aside from telling you flat out you have nothing to worry about there's not much more I can say. Press release. You have a month. Wow really? Your just ****ed. One the Eula states they will not disclose information. Two, There is no need to give SOE any user information since Eve online is not played on there network. Three, the only way for SOE to get your information is if you sign up and play one of their games on their network. If your so worried about your personal information getting out why are you even online?? To be more secure you should delete your online account and blow up your computer. Oh and since the national power grid in the good old USA is hacked by foreign sources on an almost daily basis, you should shut off your power, your cell phone is being traced as well so you will have to turn that off and destroy it. Sony is not the only company that has been hacked before, almost any place you put your personal info into has been hack at one point. Grow up get a life no one cares that you like to watch animal Originally by:** CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:53:25 why am i going to buy a game thats with a company that cant keep its online server safe from hacking or keep it up and online? second is the dust 514 server going to be just like the sony online server? supposably unhackable? thanks i like keeping my personal information as my own. so answer the question of secruirty for dust514 and i might consider having second thoughs of no bother waisting money for another game system just to play it exclusivly... answer that please? There is no such thing as completely unhackable, there are merely degrees of hackability. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing rays of sunshine in your eye. That's merely an academic statement. We will speak more about the interaction between EVE and Dust in the near future as it becomes more final. As I stated here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523611&page=3#88 we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony. notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:36:00 - [184] Originally by: Max Gades Originally by: Herping yourDerp Originally by: CLONE 9 Have PS3 = Happy Have xbox or pc = Mummy mummy they won't make the sky orange just for me and ohhhhh the sky, the sky is falling and my tears will drown us all. Help help I've just peed myself. I have a PS3 so my pants are dry. If only we could convert the angst on this forum to electricity, then the worlds power problems would be over. hi i announce a game 3 years ago every time i show it i show it on 360 with 360 controlers a 360 magazine writes articles on it i never say it wont be 360 during development i wait until 3 years later to say, oh yea next year the game comes out, its for PS3 only. it has nothing to do with what people *** about, they said dust wont be on PC years ago. quit crying about it. they have hardly if at all hinted at the game going to sony... then OH HEY SONY EXCLUSIVE. stab in the back is the only way to say it. when dust dies, and it will die, maybe CCP will admit they failed or at least figure out that a 360 version of the game might have lasted longer. unfortunately, knowing how gamers work, and i know how different consoles yield different gamers. PS3 kids are almost as bad as PC elitist.. they want the best graphics, dont and are more solo then team based. based on what i have seen, graphics are lacking the game was made for 360. its apparent. PS3 gamers want to ride solo. Dust looks like you need a team. PS3 gamers... well... it seems they don't like shooters as much as 360 gamers... yet again another awesome observation that i love plus 1! How so? All you can read there is biased ***ing of a XBOX owner that Dust won't come to his console for the foreseeable future.. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:36:00 - [185] i understand them not confirming a 360 version if sony indeed paid for a timed exclusive... but if they would say something like " we arnt leaving 360 out of the EVE fun" or something like that... it would ease everyone and maybe save dust
Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:38:00 - [186] Originally by: Tres Farmer It wasn't the LAUNCH of Dust514.. it was just an announcement that it will come to the PS3 exclusively. If you're in marketing you should KNOW the difference. Also, they didn't **** off THEIR potential customers, as THEIR potential customers are PS3 owners that want to play an FPSMMORPG. Microsoft removed the XBOX owners from the equation, CCP wasn't at fault, except if you want to play Dust514 on MS-terms (CCP doesn't want you to play Dust on MS-terms). CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs. It's all there in plain straight facts. Why do you people don't get that and move on with your lives? Their potential customers, until E3, were any people that wanted to play an FPSMMORPG, since it was not exclusive to the PS3 until they announced that. And it's CCP's prerogative to deny us playing on MS terms-I just think they'll find that playing on Sony's terms means a hole in their wallet. Also: "CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs." I'm aware they decided not to put it on PC years ago, but might they not have changed their minds when the MS wouldn't play ball? That statement doesn't make sense to me anyway. Why would CCP remove potential customers? I understand diversifying, but the PC gamer market is large, so catering to both would have been more profitable than just catering to the PS3 market. I would think that it was less about removing PC gamers from the equation than about the ease of preventing things like aimbots on consoles vs on PC's. I don't know why a company would choose to limit who it sells its product to, all that does is decrease revenue.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:39:00 - [187] Originally by: trader tom Bererund waahhh waaaaaaahhhh panic! PANIC! DON'T YOU L-I-S-T-E-N? P-A-N-I-C!!! Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Shardivh	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:42:00 - [188] Wow CCP. Just Wow. You took an idea that could have added a whole new dimension to the EVE universe, bringing thousands of players to both games, and have not only shot it dead but ground it down into dust (no pun intended.) I was looking forward to playing DUST, a lot actually. I was hoping so much that the relative silence about DUST and part of the reason for the entire "Carbon Framework" you've been talking about was so that you could port what you had of the game so far onto PC and continue development from there. That would have been the smart decision. Why? Becuase the PC is an indefinite platform. It will never go out of date, never be superceeded by an entirely new "thing." Consoles are. Regularly. And their backwards compatability always sucks. But now to not even develop it for both major platforms? (I get that microsoft is a pain in the ass, but come on!) So, you decide to continue developing a game for an aging, expensive console backed by a rubbish company. How much did they pay you CCP? I hope it was a lot. (Side question, do Sony even have any money left???) It is the twilight of the current generation of consoles life. DUST wont be released for some time, and its intent seems to be a big, ongoing game that lasts for a while (fat chance now). My prediction, by the time anyone puts a DUST disk into their PS3 drive, they will have a tech magazine on the floor next to them with "Playstation 4 launch date announced!" on the cover. CCP, please release the game on PC as well. Its not like you as a company to tie yourselves down and get in to bed with a major publisher for the money (which you wont get anyway!) We arnt going to mind a delay in the development if it means that this game could have some longevity attached to it. /end annoyed rant
Hydraka	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:47:00 - [189] Edited by: Hydraka on 07/06/2011 06:47:18 Originally by: Shardivh CCP, please release the game on PC as well. How about starting by releasing it on xbox as we have expected for the past.. oh I don't know 2 years? This is sad. Very, very sad.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:47:00 - [190] Originally by: Shardivh Side question, do Sony even have any money left??? Revenue ù $88.205 billion Operating income ù $342 million Net income ù $437 million Total assets ù $188.694 billion Total equity ù $60.741 billion Cost of PSN breach ù $171 million Yes. Yes they do. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:48:00 - [191] Originally by: Tinwe Linto Originally by: Tres Farmer It wasn't the LAUNCH of Dust514.. it was just an announcement that it will come to the PS3 exclusively. If you're in marketing you should KNOW the difference. Also, they didn't ** off THEIR potential customers, as THEIR potential customers are PS3 owners that want to play an FPSMMORPG. Microsoft removed the XBOX owners from the equation, CCP wasn't at fault, except if you want to play Dust514 on MS-terms (CCP doesn't want you to play Dust on MS-terms). CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs. It's all there in plain straight facts. Why do you people don't get that and move on with your lives? Their potential customers, until E3, were any people that wanted to play an FPSMMORPG, since it was not exclusive to the PS3 until they announced that. So, people on the Wii missed out on that one too I guess? Ya know.. when there was talk about HALO being created I wanted it. It was marketed for PC.. then MS grabbed the company and made it XBOX only. Was I miffed? Yes. Did it matter to MS or HALO? No. Originally by:** Tinwe Linto And it's CCP's prerogative to deny us playing on MS terms-I just think they'll find that playing on Sony's terms means a hole in their wallet. And you know that for a fact because? Originally by: Tinwe Linto Also: "CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs." I'm aware they decided not to put it on PC years ago, but might they not have changed their minds when the MS wouldn't play ball? They wanted additional, different customers to the ones they already have, playing their SpaceshipMMO. Originally by: Tinwe Linto That statement doesn't make sense to me anyway. Why would CCP remove potential customers? One: A console FPS player cant compete with a PC FPS player. Two: Console FPS market is bigger than PC FPS market. Three: no one tried to tie a MMORPG with a FPSMMORPG yet. Originally by: Tinwe Linto I understand diversifying, but the PC gamer market is large, so catering to both would have been more profitable than just catering to the PS3 market. see above.. Originally by: Tinwe Linto I would think that it was less about removing PC gamers from the equation than about the ease of preventing things like aimbots on consoles vs on PC's. I don't know why a company would choose to limit who it sells its product to, all that does is decrease revenue. CCP doesn't cater to the hello-kitten-online nor the WoW nor the browser market with Eve-Online. Your point being? Also, I can't buy a 20,000 dollar Ferrari or Lamborghini.. those companies must be daft to miss out on potential customers. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 06:51:00 - [192] Originally by: Shardivh snip Why? Becuase the PC is an indefinite platform. It will never go out of date, never be superceeded by an entirely new "thing." Consoles are. Regularly. And their backwards compatability always sucks. But now to not even develop it for both major platforms? (I get that microsoft is a pain in the ass, but come on!) So, you decide to continue developing a game for an aging, expensive console backed by a rubbish company. How much did they pay you CCP? I hope it was a lot. (Side question, do Sony even have any money left???) It is the twilight of the current generation of consoles life. DUST wont be released for some time, and its intent seems to be a big, ongoing game that lasts for a while (fat chance now). My prediction, by the time anyone puts a DUST disk into their PS3 drive, they will have a tech magazine on the floor next to them with "Playstation 4 launch date announced!" on the cover.snap So they put a DVD to the mag that let's you play Dust with the PS4? If the revenue comes from MT and subscriptions.. where is the problem to support the next gen PS, once it comes out? Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:04:00 - [193] Originally by: Tres Farmer So, people on the Wii missed out on that one too I guess? Ya know.. when there was talk about HALO being created I wanted it. It was marketed for PC.. then MS grabbed the company and made it XBOX only. Was I miffed? Yes. Did it matter to MS or HALO? No. Yes, people on the Wii miss out, as do people on a Commodore 64. The system isn't designed for an online FPS; your other inane comments, such as buying a 20,000 dollar Ferrari can also be referred back to this. You're saying that CCP's brand image is price-driven now, I take it? Because otherwise your analogy makes no sense; CCP is charging the same as other MMO's are for its game. There is significant overlap with 360 and PC gamers with Dust, and I still maintain that ignoring those customers seems unwise to me. I'm sure CCP has their reasons, but I'm not holding my breath on them telling me said reasons. Originally by: Tinwe Linto And it's CCP's prerogative to deny us playing on MS terms-I just think they'll find that playing on Sony's terms means a hole in their wallet. Originally by: Tres Farmer And you know that for a fact because? "I just think..." means it's a fact? Now who is reading too much into things? Originally by: Tinwe Linto Also: "CCP removed the PC owners from the equation as they want to diversify their customer base to include consoles besides PCs." I'm aware they decided not to put it on PC years ago, but might they not have changed their minds when the MS wouldn't play ball? Originally by: Tres Farmer They wanted additional, different customers to the ones they already have, playing their SpaceshipMMO. Because their current customers are obviously not going to be interested in a game that affects the one they are currently playing, right? Originally by: Tinwe Linto That statement doesn't make sense to me anyway. Why would CCP remove potential customers? Originally by: Tres Farmer One: A console FPS player cant compete with a PC FPS player. Two: Console FPS market is bigger than PC FPS market. Three: no one tried to tie a MMORPG with a FPSMMORPG yet. One: Why not? Two: Console FPS market+PC FPS market is bigger than either one individually, which was my point. Three: Yes...how is that relevant? Originally by: Tinwe Linto I would think that it was less about removing PC gamers from the equation than about the ease of preventing things like aimbots on consoles vs on PC's. I don't know why a company would choose to limit who it sells its product to, all that does is decrease revenue. Originally by: Tres Farmer CCP doesn't cater to the hello-kitten-online nor the WoW nor the browser market with Eve-Online. Your point being? My point being eliminating current customers from potential new customers is not good marketing, no matter how much effort you put into sophistry.
Shardivh	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:11:00 - [194] Originally by: Tinwe Linto Because their current customers are obviously not going to be interested in a game that affects the one they are currently playing, right? ^This. 150% agreed. Yes I have a 360 and a PC. Yes I want to play DUST (largely for this very reason) and yes I am mad about not being able to play it (inb4 "umad".)
Morphisat Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:12:00 - [195] Apparently it'll be free to download from the PSN and you have to pay for weapons and stuff. Will this not just be like one of those game you download off the free marketplace, play a couple of times and just forget about it, if you don't have any ties or idea what CCP and EVE is ? It's hard to imagine this game will be anything other than a failure.
solosnake The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:13:00 - [196] PS3? Wow how much did Sony pay for that? CCP is losing the plot. So now our Eve gameplay will be influenced by Playstation players? :( Fail hard CCP. Seriously what in hell were you thinking? Why exclusive?? Stupid.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:16:00 - [197] Originally by: solosnake PS3? Wow how much did Sony pay for that? CCP is losing the plot. So now our Eve gameplay will be influenced by Playstation players? :( Fail hard CCP. Seriously what in hell were you thinking? Why exclusive?? Stupid. I think it is hillarious how all you diehard braindead xbox fanboys jump straight to blaming CCP and not Microsoft. Valve is releasing steam on PS3, but not on the XBOX because microsoft is so ridiculously strict with how stuff that goes on there is handled, while Sony lets the companies do whatever they want. With all of CCP's microtransactions, and tie ins with the mmo, I guarantee that Microsoft was way too restrictive, or downright wouldn't let them do what they want.
Twilight Runner	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:20:00 - [198] Another fail, xbox and ps3 might have worked, but not just Ps3,
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:24:00 - [199] Originally by: Twilight Runner Another fail, xbox and ps3 might have worked, but not just Ps3, If anything having it only on one works better mechanics wise. Profit wise note so much, which is why I am pretty convinced Microsoft is the one behind this decision in the end, not CCP. They would be pretty study to cut out about 60% of the FPS fanbase. It's too bad all the xbox fanbois are so blind with rage to form a single rational thought.
Iok Sototh The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:25:00 - [200] Originally by: Nybbas I think it is hillarious how all you diehard braindead xbox fanboys jump straight to blaming CCP and not Microsoft. Valve is releasing steam on PS3, but not on the XBOX because microsoft is so ridiculously strict with how stuff that goes on there is handled Yupp, Microsoft is strict, and Sony is careless, as we have seen time and time again, from root kits to insecure data. And its the exclusivity I object to, its aligning Eve with a playerbase and console that is at odds with its core player base (hardcore PC gamers, who also tend to be Xbox users).

Sofa Raddis	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:26:00 - [201] Edited by: Sofa Raddis on 07/06/2011 07:26:33 Originally by: Nybbas I think it is hillarious how all you diehard braindead xbox fanboys jump straight to blaming CCP and not Microsoft. Valve is releasing steam on PS3, but not on the XBOX because microsoft is so ridiculously strict with how stuff that goes on there is handled, while Sony lets the companies do whatever they want. With all of CCP's microtransactions, and tie ins with the mmo, I guarantee that Microsoft was way too restrictive, or downright wouldn't let them do what they want. quoting for truth.
Telvani Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:28:00 - [202] CCP cash this out, get the money from early sales then let it die, looks fairly terrible, god only knows how its gunna screw with the market and it doesn't look like you are aiming it at the average FPS player. Not sure many capsulers really care about planets anyway, I know I don't I hope for our sake this makes CCP a load of cash and they dont feel the need to drag it along, maybe if it makes them enough money they can just stop releasing crap, gimmicky patches for EVE.
Azahni Vah'nos Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:32:00 - [203] Originally by: Phigmeta Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos So you guys seriously think CCP would have excluded the Xbox without a good reason? really? Take a step back and think about it. It's obvious Microsoft didn't want to allow Dust514 to work as envisioned by CCP on the Xbox network so your anger should be directed to Microsoft. I can't find some comments made by Hilmar at E3 again at the moment, but it seemed to me if you read between the lines that Hilmar was disappointed that they couldn't come to some aggreement with Microsoft to have Dust514 on Xbox. (if i can find the site again I will post the link) And for those asking for Dust514 on PC, I gave up playing Global Agenda because I was sick to death of hackers in it. Getting shot by someone jet-packing from across the other side of the map doesn't equal fun. Aimbots and the like have destroyed FPS's on PC. I took a step back and thought about it ... yes i do think CCP does things without good reason (you don't go to null much do you) -Oh my, I don't go to null therefore I don't have a clue. I guess I've been put in my place huh. Then again perhaps not. And what makes you think MS "didn't want to allow Dust514 to work as envisioned by CCP" i mean really what makes it so obvious? -Fairly obvious because it's not on Xbox, thereby reducing potential sales/customers. What company doesn't want to make more money. Maybe because XBOX live doesn't allow external connections .... MEHHHH!!!! HL2 and Portal both do.... -Unless you've dealt with MS as a business then who knows what restrictions they would enforce on you. What seems more obvious is that MS didn't want a separate economy in xbox live and CCP wanted to screw you out of every dollar they can -Yes because businesses are there to make money, how dare they! And 'screwing you out of your money' is your choice whether you pay or not is ultimately up to you. isn't that more obvious ? think about it At the end of the day we will probably never know what happened between MS and CCP, so the exact reason for Dust514 not being on Xbox will remain unknown. But one thing for sure is that CCP didn't make the decision lightly or just to **** off the Xbox users.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:33:00 - [204] Originally by: Telvani CCP cash this out, get the money from early sales then let it die That was the plan but all this polictical business bull**** means it didn't go to plan. Instead they sunk Eve into it and lost both products.
gintcheur	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:54:00 - [205] playing a FPS on console is a joke
baltec1	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:00:00 - [206] 7 pages of people raging about questions answered on the first page
kanamechan2	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:05:00 - [207] Good luck playing it on PS3 since they can't even keep there network up from hackers dumbest decision ever guys shoulda went with 360
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:09:00 - [208] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: Telvani CCP cash this out, get the money from early sales then let it die That was the plan but all this polictical business bull**** means it didn't go to plan. Instead they sunk Eve into it and lost both products. how can they get early salez form a f2p game?
uncle d0lan	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:10:00 - [209] hahahHAHahAHHAHAHAHh I lol'd at all the scrubs crying that their crappy xxxxboxxbxoxes wont be getting dust. why would you buy an xbox in the first place? it will get the RROD before you load da game.
kanamechan2	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:18:00 - [210] better a RRD then a hacked system

Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:19:00 - [211] Hmm... Looks like Ill need an PS3 for dust. Now wait, if this comes in 2012, won't we have a new console generation very shortly after that?? So... why PS3 and not PS4? - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:21:00 - [212] Originally by: Dograzor Hmm... Looks like Ill need an PS3 for dust. Now wait, if this comes in 2012, won't we have a new console generation very shortly after that?? So... why PS3 and not PS4? Cause there is no PS4 yet? What would be the point of CCP sticking PS4 logos on their screenshots? Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Prince of Nigeria	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:25:00 - [213] >My face when 90% of the people in here don't understand that Microsoft would never tolerate CCPs free content scheme >http://myfacewhen.com/40/
haggis muncher	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:25:00 - [214] ccp you suck....no explanation to why its not getting released on Xbox. was looking forward to dust, but you can stick up yer jacksey now
deathforu Caldari The Roaches	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:25:00 - [215] Originally by: trader tom Bererund I have only one thing to say my fellow eve pilots. GIVE CCP A MESSAGE THEY WON'T SOON FORGET!!! remember guys the planet belongs to the 12 year olds. But in space, that belongs to us!!! i was on the page for the ps3 video and i noticed something. the dev that was answering the questions did not answer a single question that was raised about why it is not being a multi-console game nor answered a single eve player's question. nice ccp to totally insult your true customer base. i will even bet that ccp will protect the snot nose little 12 year olds by saying piracy or deliberate bombing of planets will not be allowed unless you are actively participating in the fight. on the planet maybe but in eve space, THAT BELONGS TO US PILOTS! I SAY LETS PUT CCP ON NOTICE! we will destroy any and all ships participating in the dust514 gameplay. to put it short, we show the little snots what being an eve pilot really is. "there are no rewards without the risk" time to put those words to the test and see if ccp will honor those words. what about it dev? care to answer or reply to it? mark my words pilots. we will be forgotten in all this. this will become like wow real quick. its already starting. take away the learning skills. Make missioning easier. look at the total nurfing of null. mark my words this game will become a wow clone. so what about it dev? make an honest effort to ease us pilots. you will end up sharing ALL of our information with sony. you will have no choice. i for one along with prob 50k other pilots will leave this game. you have no answers for that one cause you know it will happen. you have no answers for any of this cause you know i'm right. answer this if you dare. ok first of all this moron needs a chill pill. but while i could care less about what console part of this. all i am thinking about is the battles that will happen when this comes out. as to you getting onto the devs. be careful what you ask. you might not like what you get. [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=deathforu][/url]
Namsag	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:41:00 - [216] Dust sounded sooo good, but we ALL know to go with Sony is an AWESOME FAIL. I used to play CoD a hell of a lot, and over 500K + of players asked Sony to up security to stop hacking of game play. Responce :- none. Customer care :- none. Action :- none Result :- AWESOME f--- up. Then they even forgot to make customer info safe as well!! Customer care :- none. Action :- none Result :- AWESOME f--- up. So who do ccp go with? hahahah Dont anyone do any research before joining together on projects? if so they need to go now! Dust is DOOMED sorry to say with Sonys track record, also with ccp's current record of mistakes.
Creetalor Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:42:00 - [217] Worldwide sales figures Wii û 86.01 million as of 31 March 2011[9] Xbox 360 û 55 million as of 4 June 2011[31] PlayStation 3 û 50 million as of 31 March 2011[32] Japan sales figures Wii û 11,534,590 as of 1 April 2011[33] PlayStation 3 û 6,341,950 as of 1 April 2011[33] Xbox 360 û 1,448,665 as of 1 April 2011[33] Europe sales figures NOTE: Figures include UK sales, which are listed below. PlayStation 3 û 16 million as of 17 August 2010[34] United Kingdom sales figures Wii û 8.3 million as of 1 October 2010[35] Xbox 360 û 3.9 million as of 13 January 2009[36] PlayStation 3 - 3 million as of 25 January 2010[37] Sales on wikipedia on the consoles the only country which has more PS3's is Japan sure thw difference is not that largebut what you can not forgetthe player base for shooters is a lot larger on the xbox PS3 does not have many good titles for such a field that are exclusive and I am sure the majority of tose sales where also for the Blueray drive initially also noticing sales are in some cases behind 2 years. With kinect hitting i am sure he sales from microsoft reached new highs i did see a graph with microsoft being only rising xonsole sale wise as of right now and the fail sony move is probably a big factor for the new buyers because kinect probably has even gotten a lot of wii fanatics interested with the use of the whole body and not just the,movement of a controller ----------------------------------------
Calisto Thellere	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:51:00 - [218] I've been keeping track of this game for as long as they first released details, so yeah, waaaay back. The fact its PS3 only now has dissapointed me so much. I do have a PS3, but i wanted this to play with friends on 360, many many friends who were also looking forward to it but friends who dont have the luxury of owning both consoles. So, out of that 30+ group of friends only 2 have PS3, me and 1 other. I wont be buying it on PS3 and neither is the other single PS3 owner. So well done CCP on losing over 30 sales right there with this stupid decision to go PS3 only with its smaller fanbase, hack friendly structure and lame controller. I mean come on, have you tried playing a FPS with a PS3 controller? News flash, it blows, nice exclusive idiots.
salty Milk	Posted - 2011.06.07 08:55:00 - [219] looks like i can troll a few thousand people by buying this game trolling: easy mode thanks guys! brb buying dust
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:01:00 - [220] Originally by: Creetalor snipwhat you can not forgetthe player base for shooters is a lot larger on the xbox PS3 does not have many good titles for such a field that are exclusive and I am sure the majority of tose sales where also for the Blueray drive initially also noticing sales are in some cases behind 2 years. snap So the environment for FPS on PS3 isn't so competitive then? Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!

Canuk EroSennin Gallente Public Security Section Nine	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:02:00 - [221] Edited by: Canuk EroSennin on 07/06/2011 09:03:05 Jebus Christ people.....maybe you should read through the other 8 pages of possible explanations as to why CCP is releasing Dust 514 as a playstation 3 exclusive. Most of you are flying off the handle acting like CCP just kicked your puppy and punched your kitten....Microsoft wants a closed community so they make the money and they control the system for their console and online world. Yes.....it should be on both systems....but its not....I am sure CCP would want as many people playing it on the consoles if it was possible but its not most likely due to MS BS. The PS3 is the only system that will handle the game they want to release with the terms CCP wants to enforce. Again.....companies get hacked....if you don't want your personal info stolen.....take yourselves out of the system and live in the woods....its the digital era where more of your info is on the net then in your wallet. most e-mail providers get hacked......sony gets hacked......x-box hacked....nintendo hacked.....pc's hacked.....hell....some people can hack into government sites and phone companies....its a cyber world....its the same as pickpocketing these days...if you go online and enter your name into anything....chances are your informations already being sold to someone else......put your name address and phone nunmber into a contest...now 500 telemarketers have your info...people create protection....others find ways to break it. Yes yes I know.....when a xbox 360 owner has 4 systems fail and need to be replaced....its all fine and dandy but when a PS3 breaks down once....OH what a peice of crap , if someone breaks into your home (which anyone can do easily no matter how safe you think you are) and takes your jewelry and stuff....is it your fault for not living in an windowless doorless 10' thick diamond house and the robber is the good guy for showing ya that? CCP has to put up with a lot of whiners and emorages when it comes to eve players cause noone is EVER happy..... downtime is 3 hours past what your original estimate was....wahhhh.......this ship is overpowered.....wahhhhh........someone scammed me....wahhh......dust 514 is not on a system I can afford....wahhhh.....your not showing us what we wanna see....wahhhhh.....your not giving us total knowledge on CCPs going ons .....wahhhhhh.......ccp is going to fail because of (blank) .....wahhhhhh. GET OVER IT! CCP is a hard working, gaming developer who sometimes plays ping pong, who give much freedom to its players with a pretty well balanced out game thats not perfect but thats practically an impossible goal without making more people cry unfair until they have the power. CCP I appretiate more so now than ever the sheer volume of tumors you must have to deal with growing on your brains from all the never ending whining in these forums and in petitions. I am sure I will get tons of smack back from this but I feel it needed to be said. If this game was an x-box exclusive...I would be sad but I would get over it.
JT133 Wolfsbrigade ShadowWolves.net	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:05:00 - [222] Originally by: BondGamer Edited by: BondGamer on 07/06/2011 01:13:58 I suspect it is virtually impossible to do what CCP wants on Xbox Live. Microsoft has very strict controls and guidelines what you can do on Xbox. Dust 514 needs a direct connection to EVE Online, which can not happen on Xbox. You aren't even allowed to patch a Xbox game without a microsoft review, which can take weeks. This is done for a good reason though. Just look at how Xbox customers have all their personal details secure and intact, whereas PS3 customers have their credit card details and much more out there on the internet waiting to be sold. The Xbox LIVE team is second to none. They could integrate it to EVE without much problems I'm sure. I, for one, will have no interaction with the Dust514 element of EVE when it is introduced due to this complete and utter failure on CCP's part by making it a PS3 exclusive. Oh wait, I forgot Sony are the ones that made the operating system that the vast majority of EVE clients run o- oh wait, no, that's Microsoft. Biggest mistake yet. Fail, fail, fail. Somewhat inactive due to exams.
KoffeeKup Caldari Azule Dragoons Sspectre	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:08:00 - [223] Edited by: KoffeeKup on 07/06/2011 09:14:13 Ccp has made a super fail right here, I have waited for this game ever since it was announced and now I will never play it BECAUSE CCP DECIDED TO CHOOSE FRAKING SONY AS THEIR PARTNERS IN FAILBOATING. Nice going CCP. I won't be buying a Playstation 3 or Dust 415 so thanks for nothing. PS: I have Xbox Live. Live subscriptions aren't that bad. Not like I'm paying money for one game. I can play several on live, Dust would have been one of them.
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:30:00 - [224] Confirming that in no uncertain terms would I sign up to PSN to have my account details stolen. CCP huge fail train on this one.
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:44:00 - [225] /me looks at xbox. wonders why and gives up on dust
Korsa Little	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:46:00 - [226] Not only will I not buy s PS3 for Dust, but I have cancelled my Eve sub. The potential of Eve/Dust had me on the edge of my seat and the move to PS3 only is an absolute betrayal. CCP will never see another penny from me.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:48:00 - [227] 3rd time you post that and still here? Can't you just go? Wussie Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 09:59:00 - [228] anyway.... dont get too upset about it, how many PS3 'exclusives' have been released on other consoles at a later date. Be patient and the xbox version will arrive. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!
Malken Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.06.07 10:05:00 - [229] who wants a ps3 nowadays anyway when sony is hacked to bits and leaks the users accounts and creditcard numbers like mad? doesent make sense CCP, why PS3 ????????
salty Milk	Posted - 2011.06.07 10:08:00 - [230] Originally by: Malken who wants a ps3 nowadays anyway when sony is hacked to bits and leaks the users accounts and creditcard numbers like mad? doesent make sense CCP, why PS3 ???????? why do i care that my credit card number is stolen? you do realise that is not my money they are stealing right?

Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.06.07 10:12:00 - [231] What a big F U CCP. Thanks for letting us now. And you can keep your microtransactions and your hacked PSN network. I guess you came out clear now. Its been downhill for some time with the first thing to dumb down the game. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Walextheone The Red Circle Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.07 10:18:00 - [232] Some REALLY stupid people in this thread says "why ps3 when it got hacked" Do you think that CCP made the choice of going PS3 only just a few months back? No one could have foreseen the hacking attack. It takes YEARS to develop a big game like this.
Morphisat Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2011.06.07 11:34:00 - [233] Originally by: Walextheone Some REALLY stupid people in this thread says "why ps3 when it got hacked" Do you think that CCP made the choice of going PS3 only just a few months back? That wouldn't surprise me at all tbh.
Deamos Dev Null Development and Holdings	Posted - 2011.06.07 11:41:00 - [234] I may not play Dust514, but I do remember the recent Eve trailer showing the ability to nuke the planet from orbit with my Dred. I think I might get in to having fun with my pretty little FPS Kiddy GI Joes down on a planet. -
Pheonix Dragoon	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:14:00 - [235] Duhoh would be sad. Lol
Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:16:00 - [236] I Love It, Cry more failbox fanboys, its not being released in the Sega Saturn either.
mvrck22	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:16:00 - [237] Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: CCP Sreegs I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. TY for the clarification Sreegs. Note the "today" part =P Perfectly in line with another post that stated "not currently" =P That being said, very curious for integration requirements in account data, character data, profile data, etc. down the road.
Cutter Isaacson Minmatar Fearsome Engine	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:24:00 - [238] Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be. Originally by: Johnny Dexter bombs everyone to Narnia
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Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:31:00 - [240] CCP made the choice to choose PS3 because of Microsoft's way of treating the PS3 as their property and domain. Now I'd recommend everyone buy a PS3 so you too can join the ranks of the millions who've had their account details stolen

Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:33:00 - [241] Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be. All hail the King! You must really feal big in this community!
Rolare Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 - [242] Originally by: Vaju Katru Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be. All hail the King! You must really feal big in this community! I kind of agree with him, most whiners seem to have stopped short of a few well-adjusted thoughts :l While any forum user here is used to people repeating questions about what have been answered, and constant "i quit nau" posts and general feeling of extreme self-entitlement this is just... God, this is uglier than it's ever been before (that I remember atleast). It doesn't take much to be a King around here it would seem (not saying the guy is stupid or anything, but the standard is kinda low right now).
Evil5am	Posted - 2011.06.07 13:02:00 - [243] If it was xbox exclusive the ps3***s would whine... WTF is the point?
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.07 13:26:00 - [244] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37 Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This. Agreed Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. glad to hear this. You really cant trust PSN these days, it seems it hackers hobby to brake into it atleast once a week nowdays. Little suprised that Sony cant afford to hire good programmers to secure it.
Kaivix EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.07 13:31:00 - [245] Could of been worst We could of been forced to use Games for Windows Live to play EVE because that obviously what MS would of wanted.
Gondus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:20:00 - [246] Everyone needs to understand. They MADE the exlusive agreement before all this failscading started to happen. They didn't decide "OH HEY, SONY IS FAILING HARD, LETS GO WITH THEM". No....they made the decision before all this and probably got into a contractual agreement to stay with Sony's PS3. So stop whining about it. Would probably be breach of contract (if they made one) if they decided to change their mind. IGNORE MEEE!
Ripley Nostromo	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:24:00 - [247] Originally by: Vaju Katru Originally by: Cutter Isaacson Holy crap I never realised just how many morons play EVE. No wonder EVE players are getting bad reputations in the MMO community, what a bunch of arrogant, brainless, uneducated idiots a lot of you seem to be. All hail the King! You must really feal big in this community! This from the chief idiot....
Radix Salvilines legion industries ltd AAA Citizens	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:26:00 - [248] Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 07/06/2011 14:26:19 honestly the sole idea of releasing DUST only on a console(s) is... evil and unfair. There is a portion of players that play EVE (me included) because this game has future, it is secure. We can invest our time in it knowing that we only have to pay 15 euros/dollars per month. The game gets developped, expansions are free. When we can't play - our chars still keep on developping. Ingenious concept. And now it gets borked. I thought that EVE will be here always, that friendships I've made online will continue to develop, that reputation I've managed to build really matters. And with DUST coming only on consoles, with some skills removed from game I do not feel secure anymore. What kept me in the game is starting to fade away. It saddens me to see that CCP has turned into developping game for profit purposes only. It is not about passion, not about vision anymore. There is still time and I hope CCP will someday suprise us by holding onto old values and keeping it all in one client, available to all for the same good 15euros/dollars per month. I hope that CCP like with EVE Voice will decide that the family (EVE playerbase) and its trust is the most important, not monies. When I started playing this game in 2005 CCP said all expansions will be free and everything will sit in one client - a portal into the world of EVE. If you will rip me (and some other people) of that comfort - we will eventually quit.
Nuhm DeAra	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:26:00 - [249] Originally by: Kaivix Could of been worst We could of been forced to use Games for Windows Live to play EVE because that obviously what MS would of wanted. COULD HAVE OH MY FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER.
Helmut 314 Amarr Unladen Swallow Research Institute	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:30:00 - [250] Oh stop whining. Dust is basically a game where you play a minion, an insignificant bug in comparison to our podborne glory.

Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:30:00 - [251] Edited by: Skippermonkey on 07/06/2011 14:31:48 FEED THE THREADNAUGHT WITH POSTS TO ~~QUENCH~~ SATISFY ITS HUNGER! (posts are not a liquid, silly) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:32:00 - [252] Originally by: Slate Shoa so, if EVE is to interact with Dust 514... what happens when the next generation of consoles comes out? The interaction dies? Should have made it a PC game... They release a new client, that simple. But not for Microsoft as long as microsoft is charging them for every update and does not allow their network code. MS screwed up, and because of this ccp screwed up as well, as they are missing now one major platform. Interesting question will be: How long will be dust exclusive, how much time does ccp shanghai need to release a wii2 client?
MeBiatch	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:32:00 - [253] if you guys take some time and think about it you will see why its logical that ccp excluded computer and other consols when making Dust 514... if you have ever played multi player FPS you would know that on a computer fps you are playing against other comps only or if its ps3 you are playing against other ps3 or same for xbox... there would be less of a problem if the servers were able to talk over xbox ps3 and computers... but they dont... Eve is a single shard game... if dust 514 was on the x-box, ps3 and computers there would be 3 different servers and this would take away from the one universe aspect of the Eve Universe... So in the end i think CCP made the right choice in picking the PS3 as its a much better system then the xbox as i have both... furthermore i am happy that so many eve players have zero interest in playing dust as we still need people to play eve and i have so many friends who have no interest in playing eve but are super excited to play Dust... So for all those people complaining... if you dont like it then deal with it... life aint fair... otherwise life would be called fair and not life...
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:38:00 - [254] Originally by: MeBiatch if you guys take some time and think about it you will see why its logical that ccp excluded computer and other consols when making Dust 514... if you have ever played multi player FPS you would know that on a computer fps you are playing against other comps only or if its ps3 you are playing against other ps3 or same for xbox... there would be less of a problem if the servers were able to talk over xbox ps3 and computers... but they dont... Eve is a single shard game... if dust 514 was on the x-box, ps3 and computers there would be 3 different servers and this would take away from the one universe aspect of the Eve Universe... So in the end i think CCP made the right choice in picking the PS3 as its a much better system then the xbox as i have both... furthermore i am happy that so many eve players have zero interest in playing dust as we still need people to play eve and i have so many friends who have no interest in playing eve but are super excited to play Dust... So for all those people complaining... if you dont like it then deal with it... life aint fair... otherwise life would be called fair and not life... No, you are wrong and should be ignored. Technical its no magic to connect a ps3, xbox and pc ego shooter on the same server. Sharing just a few data base servers of eveonline and dust is even less of an issue. MS not able to give ccp a special contract for xbox live services is a real problem. CCP not able to check in advanced licence problems and not able to come up with a dust version which actually pays of for upgrades is another problem. Anyway it seems to me, that most are anyway forgetting that dust 514 is a free2play microtransaction game, so most here would anyway not like it.
Rrama Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:44:00 - [255] http://www.osnews.com/story/24820/Sony_Compromised_Again Wow what next more free apology games Thanks for choosing Sony ccp
Kristina Elbina	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:45:00 - [256] Originally by: MeBiatch if you guys take some time and think about it you will see why its logical that ccp excluded computer and other consols when making Dust 514... if you have ever played multi player FPS you would know that on a computer fps you are playing against other comps only or if its ps3 you are playing against other ps3 or same for xbox... there would be less of a problem if the servers were able to talk over xbox ps3 and computers... but they dont... Eve is a single shard game... if dust 514 was on the x-box, ps3 and computers there would be 3 different servers and this would take away from the one universe aspect of the Eve Universe... So in the end i think CCP made the right choice in picking the PS3 as its a much better system then the xbox as i have both... furthermore i am happy that so many eve players have zero interest in playing dust as we still need people to play eve and i have so many friends who have no interest in playing eve but are super excited to play Dust... So for all those people complaining... if you dont like it then deal with it... life aint fair... otherwise life would be called fair and not life... That's only partially true. However like DC Universe Online, having the same kind of game on a single console and PC is another story. That game features simultaneous PS3 and PC server connectivity. There's no logic behind why if the game was on at least one console AND the PC that it would suddenly have to cease being on a single server. Cross-consoles end up becoming a battle between the two console developers in rights, but one console to PC is entirely different. That's why Dust, for the moment, can theoretically work between the single console and PC, and why on multiple consoles it could end up becoming an issue. However there is no reason why Dust could not also be released on PC, except for the reason most developers refuse to do this for current FPS. The balance between PC and console FPS gamers are quite off. PC users would cream console users. I love FPS... on the PC. I can't play a FPS on the console competitively and enjoy it, because it feels so handicapped and dumbed down. I might try Dust at some point, but it would probably have been a sure-buy if it were released on PC. I'd also shell out for another subscription if it was so required.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:56:00 - [257] Originally by: Kristina Elbina That's only partially true. However like DC Universe Online, having the same kind of game on a single console and PC is another story. That game features simultaneous PS3 and PC server connectivity. There's no logic behind why if the game was on at least one console AND the PC that it would suddenly have to cease being on a single server. Cross-consoles end up becoming a battle between the two console developers in rights, but one console to PC is entirely different. That's why Dust, for the moment, can theoretically work between the single console and PC, and why on multiple consoles it could end up becoming an issue. However there is no reason why Dust could not also be released on PC, except for the reason most developers refuse to do this for current FPS. The balance between PC and console FPS gamers are quite off. PC users would cream console users. I love FPS... on the PC. I can't play a FPS on the console competitively and enjoy it, because it feels so handicapped and dumbed down. I might try Dust at some point, but it would probably have been a sure-buy if it were released on PC. I'd also shell out for another subscription if it was so required. interesting... yeah if they did realease it for pc's and had them share the same server you would have to add in auto aim and stuff to off set the advantage that PC's will have over consols... but consols fps are not that bad... i used to hate them untill i played "black" for the ps2 which won me over... I was an pc fps from wolfenstein to cod... but cod mod warfare 2 was an awesome game for consols... anywho there are alot more consol players out there then pc players... pc games are still a little tabboo and not too cool with the ladies... but everyone has a consol... and i know enough girls who love halo/cod... so having this for ps3 is cool with me... though the micro transaction thing is odd... can i transfer isk from my eve char to my dust char to pay for all my gooddies or is this what plex is for?
Tess Ataru	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:58:00 - [258] This could have been awesome. Destroyable Enviroments, shooter and mmorpg fusion on pc. Instead we get a console game that looks like an generic 0815 shooter anno 2005.ps3 owners will play it for like 2 months, then get bored and never play it again. gratz CCP you will fail pretty hard with this one.
quigibow	Posted - 2011.06.07 14:59:00 - [259] Originally by: Josefine Etrange look at me i am a nerf hurder shut up
Not-Apsalar	Posted - 2011.06.07 15:07:00 - [260] Originally by: Tess Ataru This could have been awesome. Destroyable Enviroments, shooter and mmorpg fusion on pc. Instead we get a console game that looks like an generic 0815 shooter anno 2005.ps3 owners will play it for like 2 months, then get bored and never play it again. gratz CCP you will fail pretty hard with this one. Doesn't look any different from MAG, and has better vehicles(already).

king curt Caldari The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.07 15:08:00 - [261] Edited by: king curt on 07/06/2011 15:10:06 Originally by: Kristina Elbina I love FPS... on the PC. I can't play a FPS on the console competitively and enjoy it, because it feels so handicapped and dumbed down. I might try Dust at some point, but it would probably have been a sure-buy if it were released on PC. I'd also shell out for another subscription if it was so required. ^^^This. Too bad too. Maybe we will see a PC release, maybe.....some.....day.....
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.07 15:09:00 - [262] The fact of the matter is once Dust comes out we WILL be forced to agree to a new privacy agreement. This is the only way they can get the economy from both games to merge into one. Things like user names and account information will be shared with the PSN. No matter what CCP says. When that day comes lulzsec is going to have a flopping field day with all the personal information and passwords stored in plain freaking text. Just imagine a bunch of aimbotters running around with 9999999999 isk and then they transfer that 999999999999 isk into the eve economy, fail storm imminent. Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice
Not-Apsalar	Posted - 2011.06.07 15:21:00 - [263] Originally by: Xenuria Just imagine a bunch of aimbotters running around with 9999999999 isk and then they transfer that 999999999999 isk into the eve economy, fail storm imminent. Err, you realize that Sony won't be hosting the database. And I see way more aimbots/wallhacks on XBL than on PSN.

CCP Sreegs	Posted - 2011.06.07 15:22:00 - [264] Originally by: Max Gades notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few. Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified...

Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.07 15:33:00 - [265] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few. Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified... Don't worry Sreegs, to be honest most people know that the sharing of EVE account player information to PSN is not going to happen, or at least is very unlikely to happen. We are really just ****ed off that PC/Xbox 360 players just got shafted in the arse. I can live with that though, it's more annoying that Incarna is going to screw up EVE by making me have to load the CQ whenever I forget to put ammo in the cargo hold, and I will no longer have the glory of ship spinning. That said, keep up the good work collecting Botter tears.
Alexzandros	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:06:00 - [266] Edited by: Alexzandros on 07/06/2011 16:07:37 After reading through this thread, which by my math, is 95% negative... I think this is a decision that was; A) Poorly thought through B) Misrepresented to the community at large C) Not run through CSM - granted the veil of "This isn't eve, it's a separate product" probably covers that D) A decision I think the community at large would like CCP Hilmar (sp?) to weigh in on after reading this post and the other Linkage You've created an "expansion" for lack of a better term, that is exclusive to one console, that from the looks of it, 90%+ of your player base does not own. Therefore, you must be trying to compete with existing FPS/Strategy games to gain new subscribers in an arena of which you have no experience. So you've either created the worlds most expensive expansion to date (and I thought wow was expensive back in the day), or you've just gone mad and no longer care about the success of your company. Edit w/Question: Did you guys do any research to find out what consoles your player base already owns?
Koramok Amarr Cold Carbon Institute	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:10:00 - [267] Just wanted to add my fiery flames of outrage to this burning inferno. PS3 exclusive? That's it, time to break out the torches and pitchforks. BURN!
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:12:00 - [268] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Herping yourDerp call me crazy, but US and EU are the largest eve market... and based on that, 360 would make the most sense. Perhaps. But Microsoft didn't want the business. vOv Quote: do people in japan even play eve They're about 1%, according to wikipedia, if you trust that numberà OK seriously ya PS3/CCP apologist; where do you get the "MS didn't want it" bull****? its like you tell yourself a lie untill it becomes true. Have any of you considered that the real reason is because CCP wanted to use their fail currency (AUR) and they really just want to bilk you poor idiots out of more cash? CCP in the past year has been getting more and more greedy every since they found out how much cash they can make from PLEX. First it was PLEX for ETC then it was "wait wait ... your making way to much in anoms...." then it was the "war" against bots, now its pretty clothes, sew you ... if ya want to jump somewhere effectively go buy another supercapital, and console pew pew for daddys little rich kid The whole thing is making me sick and thats why my subs are all being let to expire.
Lord Mudekai Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:18:00 - [269] Well I for one think it being a PS3 exclusive is a bad decision on CCp's part, even tho I do own PC(obviously), Wii, PS3 and 360, the 360 to me would be the console to go with to be exclusive on any console especially since it already comes with a built in way to speak with your teamates. But also they are limiting their fanbase doing so, I for one will not be buying Dust as I prefer Team type games on the 360. Thumbs up tho CCP, Great job on such a fail idea!
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:24:00 - [270] Originally by: Prince of Nigeria >My face when 90% of the people in here don't understand that Microsoft would never tolerate CCPs free content scheme >http://myfacewhen.com/40/ Uhmm what free content ? Newsflash genius .... your paying 14 USD each month for this game ... that makes it one of the most expensive games you will ever buy.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:40:00 - [271] Originally by: Creetalor Worldwide sales figures Wii û 86.01 million Xbox 360 û 55 million PlayStation 3 û 50 million Japan sales figures Wii û 11,534,590 PlayStation 3 û 6,341,950 Xbox 360 û 1,448,665 Europe sales figures PlayStation 3 û 16 million United Kingdom sales figures Wii û 8.3 million Xbox 360 û 3.9 million PlayStation 3 - 3 million Sales on wikipedia on the consoles the only country which has more PS3's is Japan Nice bit of selective quoting thereà Let's fill in the piece you skipped: Europe sales figures Wii ù 24.9 million PlayStation 3 û 16 million Xbox 360 ù 13.7 million So yeah, Japan is the only place where the PS3 has sold more than the 360à Originally by: Phigmeta OK seriously ya PS3/CCP apologist; where do you get the "MS didn't want it" bull***? Oh, here and thereà Most notably the known fact that XBL has more restrictive policies than PSN; that other developers have said the same thing; that CCP themselves hinted at this problem two years ago; that they're still hinting at that problem; and just some good old non-tinfoil logic. Quote:* Have any of you considered that the real reason is because CCP wanted to use their fail currency (AUR) and they really just want to bilk you poor idiots out of more cash? Ehmà what? Why would they have made it an exclusive for that reason? Wouldn't it have been better to squeeze cash out of both 360 and PS3 owners? You're not making any sense hereà Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim http://www.osnews.com/story/24820/Sony_Compromised_Again Wow what next more free apology games Now, you do know that Sony BMG isn't SCE, right? Why would they start handing out games? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Diethos Bones	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:45:00 - [272] Screw it, CCP can make their own console!
Mystical Might Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:55:00 - [273] Edited by: Mystical Might on 07/06/2011 16:55:49 Originally by: Diethos Bones Screw it, CCP can make their own console! DO NOT WANT: Why? Because its deemed to go the way PS3 is going right now. Hackers Anonymous Haxing 4 da fun of it. Edit-- They'd also have to apply patches to the software and such... and we all know how THAT Goes. Right CCP?
Felo Maxun	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:58:00 - [274] CCP Sreegs Can we get a promise that the "we ill inform you if we intend to share your data" bit wont simple be it hidden in a new T&C that appears on launch. As a number of us may only speed read this during an important log on. A sizeable announcement or an email with an option to opt out would do.
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.06.07 16:58:00 - [275] I own a ps3 and more than likely I will not be playing dust as like many other people I know my ps3 is simply a dust collector when PC content will always be superior. There is a silver lining to this fiasco and I believe people need to take advantage of the momentum that it's failure is going to carry. Dust is going to be a very public and very telling example of how completely alienated the top level of CCP is from it's customer base and the wants and needs it avoids. When dust burns and fades within months of launch I do sincerely hope enough noise will be made to oust hilmar and the others at CCP who want to run the company into ground while shamelessly whoring this game out to the lowest common denominator. It's a damn shame to think of the improvements that could have been made in light of the total waste of men and material to put out a joke of a game. The same could be said of WIS, 5+ years of talk and BS and waste for an extremely flawed and laughable tech demo.
Olivor	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:17:00 - [276] Originally by: XIRUSPHERE I own a ps3 and more than likely I will not be playing dust as like many other people I know my ps3 is simply a dust collector when PC content will always be superior. There is a silver lining to this fiasco and I believe people need to take advantage of the momentum that it's failure is going to carry. Dust is going to be a very public and very telling example of how completely alienated the top level of CCP is from it's customer base and the wants and needs it avoids. When dust burns and fades within months of launch I do sincerely hope enough noise will be made to oust hilmar and the others at CCP who want to run the company into ground while shamelessly whoring this game out to the lowest common denominator. It's a damn shame to think of the improvements that could have been made in light of the total waste of men and material to put out a joke of a game. The same could be said of WIS, 5+ years of talk and BS and waste for an extremely flawed and laughable tech demo. When people who own PS3's say they won't play a free download PS3 exclusive... You've clearly ****ed up
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:18:00 - [277] 1 universe 1 war 1 person online in dust
Christine Peeveepeeski Rodents of Unusual Size	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:25:00 - [278] Quote: I own a PS3 and thus will be playing it. I'm hoping I will be able to use my eve iskies to buy shizzle for my merc in dust 514. Thus I shall purchase the pinkest, gayest suit I possibly can and proclaim the gayness of the PS3 exclusivity while I shoot people in the face with my l33t console FPS skills. I'll just shamelessly quote myself from another forum.....
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:26:00 - [279] Originally by: Felo Maxun CCP Sreegs Can we get a promise that the "we ill inform you if we intend to share your data" bit wont simple be it hidden in a new T&C that appears on launch. As a number of us may only speed read this during an important log on. A sizeable announcement or an email with an option to opt out would do. If you had read his post, you would see he said EXACTLY that. Originally by: CCP Sreegs Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. That means you would be notified of changes to the EULA and the TOS, which I am certain has happened in the past. At which point you would be asked to re-read and agree to, the amended EULA and TOS before you would be allowed to log back into the game. There would also be a well advertised notification on the forums either in the form of a sticky or a devblog, or both. Other than that you can't really expect much more tbh. Though knowing CCP they would also dispatch a generic "We are altering the EULA and TOS for such and such reasons" email.
Syas Morakl Badasaz	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:32:00 - [280] After seeing the new wii U... why the heck didn't CCP partner with them. Brand new console with innovate idea and the best selling console hands down... (wait for the rants) Seriously the graphics are wonderful and the ideas seem perfect for the CCP idea of pushing technology and do things differently. I can see the new controller being used very well by ccp

Spookyjay	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:33:00 - [281] CCP should scrap Dust and port all work to a PC engine and make it into a full on Eve spin of on pc.
Jones Bones Heretic Army	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:40:00 - [282] I really do not understood why CCP went with a console shooter to begin with. Most console shooters have a life cycle of MAYBE 1 year. Then the sequel or some new competitor's shooter comes out and the player levels drop drastically. Compare that with the communities that sprung up on the PC around such games as: BF2 CS 1.6 CSS TF2 UT2k3 Quake 3: Arena Tribes PC games tend to foster much stronger communities than consoles ever will. And a community = longevity and the chance for MT. Just look at TF2 and the store they introduced. I'll be honest, if I had a PS3 I'd probably pick it up just because then I could pwn EVE peoples in space and on the surface. Might still pick up a PS3 by release so we'll see.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:54:00 - [283] Originally by: Jones Bones I really do not understood why CCP went with a console shooter to begin with. Most console shooters have a life cycle of MAYBE 1 year. Then the sequel or some new competitor's shooter comes out and the player levels drop drastically. Compare that with the communities that sprung up on the PC around such games as: BF2 CS 1.6 CSS TF2 UT2k3 Quake 3: Arena Tribes Yes, but why did those game create a community and the console shooters did not? I'd be willing to bet that it's because those PC games saw continuous development, additions, and modding, whereas the business model for the console games was always "release, maybe add some DLC (and that has only been true for the last few years), and then push the N+1 release". Could it be that console gamers don't stick around because they know the current game is basically end-of-life at release, and that the next iteration is coming in a year or two? So what happens when that is no longer true; when there is no next iteration, or, rather, when the current game is the next iteration when the expansion/content/ruleset patch gets released in a couple of months? Or, to look in the opposite direction: what kind of community do we see in the PC games that follow the same kind of release pattern as the console games? The various EA [Sports] [Year] releases or one-shot FPSes or RPGs (and the PC platform has just as many of those as the consoles do)? I'd say it's the same kind of (non-)communities as with the yearly-release console games. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.07 17:59:00 - [284] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few. Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified... Being notified and having a choice to opt out are two different things. Simple logic will tell you that regardless of what CCP chooses to share with sony there will be a new agreement to agree too. That is just a given. What happens in the event that a large portion of the subscriber base decides they do not want to agree to this? The purchase of the game IS going through the PSN which means our credit card information will be stored in plain text. Even if none of our account information is shared with sony there is still the issue of the economy being tied to dust, thats like asking for trouble. All somebody has to do is take down the PSN and boom eve will be effected. Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.07 18:06:00 - [285] idk people are still playing BC2 on xbox in decent numbers... last i checked BC2 has about 20k online for PC and 100+k online for 360.... if CCP wants money console > PC for games i mean its a shooter, so console is the only choice.
Ala Adoulin	Posted - 2011.06.07 18:10:00 - [286] Originally by: Jones Bones I really do not understood why CCP went with a console shooter to begin with. Most console shooters have a life cycle of MAYBE 1 year. Then the sequel or some new competitor's shooter comes out and the player levels drop drastically. Compare that with the communities that sprung up on the PC around such games as: BF2 CS 1.6 CSS TF2 UT2k3 Quake 3: Arena Tribes PC games tend to foster much stronger communities than consoles ever will. And a community = longevity and the chance for MT. Just look at TF2 and the store they introduced. I'll be honest, if I had a PS3 I'd probably pick it up just because then I could pwn EVE peoples in space and on the surface. Might still pick up a PS3 by release so we'll see. Agree totally, for me it will just be an add on with a slight link to Eve and will fizzle out. Personally think its more of a money making venture that will give Eve Online publicity than something that will add to Eve Online as a game.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.07 18:13:00 - [287] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 07/06/2011 18:14:18 Originally by: Xenuria Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few. Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified... Being notified and having a choice to opt out are two different things. Simple logic will tell you that regardless of what CCP chooses to share with sony there will be a new agreement to agree too. That is just a given. What happens in the event that a large portion of the subscriber base decides they do not want to agree to this? The purchase of the game IS going through the PSN which means our credit card information will be stored in plain text. Even if none of our account information is shared with sony there is still the issue of the economy being tied to dust, thats like asking for trouble. All somebody has to do is take down the PSN and boom eve will be effected. 1: No, logic does not tell me what you assume to be true. 2: In the unlikely event that this did happen, if you choose not to agree then you leave. It's not rocket science. Of course, you may feel a little silly in a year when the current security issues are long past and largely forgotten. 3: The game is ONLY available through the PSN? I'm pretty sure you will be able to buy it directly/retail. Perhaps you could link a source for us. Also, do you really think SONY is incapable of fixing it's security issues. Sony is rivaled only by Microsoft for the resources it has at it's disposal. Sure, it will take some time, but we are talking the better part of a year from now. 4: Yes, if someone were to take down the PSN and keep DUST players offline for a period of time the EVE market might be affected. Damaged? No, not likely. Affected? Yes, hopefully. I blissfully await the marketing opportunities such an event would trigger. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.07 18:59:00 - [288] Your missing the point I think. Sony is not anywhere near a rival to MS and even if they were sony is "171 billion $" in the red right now. So if Sony dose not turn a profit they will go bankrupt in the next couple of years. Besides anonymous is NOT finished with Sony Yet. The fact of the matter is Sony should have stuck to making TVs. Their gaming division has always had trouble turning a profit. Now they are looking at a 171 Billion price tag for their foolishness. The new stuff from E3 is sony's last chance at redemption. If they don't do well then they will go under. Heads Will Roll. Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice
Bloodthirsty Reaver	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:04:00 - [289] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37 Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver Originally by: Token Afrodude Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. This. Agreed Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries. :edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course. Thank you for replying. Thats good enough for me. I'm sure that as long as you guys know that us(the players)aren't comfortable with our information being shared that you'll let us know if and why it would be. Also I meant that in the time after the conference yesterday that I didn't see any official posts on the sony matter not just in this specific thread since there are so many. I really do hope that CCP is reading all of this rage on the forums and at least understands that it might not have been the best idea. Maybe even considering Dust 515 being on the PC or multi-platform or something.
AlisterCrowley	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:17:00 - [290] Edited by: AlisterCrowley on 07/06/2011 19:18:26 Originally by: Rey Bahn What a joke. Well that's quite a lot of missed sales. Fail. This, in spades. I honestly have to wonder how the person making these type of judgement calls isn't fired on the spot, I saw other games like MAG become big flops and dwindle down to small player bases all because their devs decided to make it a "console" exclusive game. What in the ** kind of ** decides to make a game that's partner to a longstanding MMO, and would probably get played by most of that MMO's players into a game that requires an entirely different system? Seriously CCP, remove your ing head from your asses and tell sony to suck a about this being PS3 exclusive, it's not going to sell any new PS3's. And incase you were wondering, yes I do own a PS3, and no I won't be buying DUST 514 for it because I and many other PC gamers that like shooters absolutely **ing abhor playing shooters with a controller.

Kestrix	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:17:00 - [291] I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse?
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:19:00 - [292] Originally by: Kestrix I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse? Not only can you use a keyboard and mouse with Xbox 360 but said peripherals became available many weeks before their PS3 counterparts. Go back to troll CnP. Your signature is too large. Maximum permitted signature size is 24,000 bytes. Spitfire Vote Support For Great Justice
AlisterCrowley	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:20:00 - [293] Originally by: Kestrix I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse? Just a little heads up for you, I haven't found a shooter yet on the PS3 that supports being played via the keyboard and mouse you can hookup, and it's doubtful DUST514 will either.
SomeHardLovin Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:21:00 - [294] Throwing my hat into the "Not buying a PS3 just to play DUST" arena. I have an Xbox. I bout it because its where most of the good games and specifically shooters are. Nobody can argue that the catalogue of shooters on the PS3 even closely compares to the Microsoft offering (and im not a huge Microsoft fan). PS3 exclusives have pretty much died out.. you'll notice even mainstay games like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear are making it onto Xbox now.. there is a a reason for that. CCP you need to rethink this one... Even if its to offer a PC version (which I could indeed play.. because I already have one of those as an EVE player, right? --- Bring forth the Assault Frigate apocalypse!
Rorcaul	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:28:00 - [295] Ok so I have both the 360 and the PS3 but tbh I only use the PS3 now for the blue ray player I don't play games on it as I prefer the 360. The FPS on the 360 is far better than the PS3 so sadly im another "wont be buying this" Be strange to have all my games but one on the xbox anyway :)
Kestrix	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:30:00 - [296] Okay I was wrong you can use this on the 360 to use a keyboard and mouse. CES: Mouse and keyboard controler
Pyro Ninja Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2011.06.07 19:56:00 - [297] Look guys it's not the end of the world that it's not on Xbox so stop crying about it already. Sony probably is more willing to work with ccp to get the proper connection than MS was willing to do with Xbox live. Get over your little nerd rage and move on. Geez you guys cry more than WoW players when they change that game.
Vynk	Posted - 2011.06.07 20:19:00 - [298] Edited by: Vynk on 07/06/2011 20:20:15 Originally by: Pyro Ninja Look guys it's not the end of the world that it's not on Xbox so stop crying about it already. Sony probably is more willing to work with ccp to get the proper connection than MS was willing to do with Xbox live. Get over your little nerd rage and move on. Geez you guys cry more than WoW players when they change that game. uhmm....its a matter of playing or not playing the game....its kind of is the "end of the world" for some of us who do not own a ps3. Its not like some WoW/EvE patch we may or may not like. I shouldn't have to point this out to you. mind you, I had no intention of buying a console shooter in the first place.
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.07 20:45:00 - [299] Edited by: John''eh on 07/06/2011 20:46:56 As a guy who has done XBox Development at MSFT (Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code.) I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link. I know a lot of you are think otherwise, but take this information straight from the horses mouth as somebody who knows what they are talking about from personal experience, and will not be saying too much because of that: XBox would have loved having this, it just would have taken some effort on CCP's side to set up things running correctly to get the systems connected over a secured link. Based on this data I can only assume that CCP was too lazy or too unskilled and decided not to do it.
Zofran	Posted - 2011.06.07 20:50:00 - [300] Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 07/06/2011 20:46:56 As a guy who has done XBox Development at MSFT (Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code.) I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link. I know a lot of you are think otherwise, but take this information straight from the horses mouth as somebody who knows what they are talking about from personal experience, and will not be saying too much because of that: XBox would have loved having this, it just would have taken some effort on CCP's side to set up things running correctly to get the systems connected over a secured link. Based on this data I can only assume that CCP was too lazy or too unskilled and decided not to do it. Yup, pretty much this - also based on experience. The reasoning is pretty much just golden handshakes and the ability to roll out low quality patches at the drop of a hat and the asian market - which is something dust is aiming at more than anyone thinks.

Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:00:00 - [301] Originally by: John'eh Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code. Picks up bat with nails through it Now could you quantify this please? By LIVE do you mean the god aweful system eating crash happy abomination that it's mother wishes had been aborted hunk of code otherwise known as Games for Windows LIVE? Or do you mean XBL?
Kalen C'Fean	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:04:00 - [302] Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 07/06/2011 20:46:56 As a guy who has done XBox Development at MSFT (Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code.) I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link. I know a lot of you are think otherwise, but take this information straight from the horses mouth as somebody who knows what they are talking about from personal experience, and will not be saying too much because of that: XBox would have loved having this, it just would have taken some effort on CCP's side to set up things running correctly to get the systems connected over a secured link. Based on this data I can only assume that CCP was too lazy or too unskilled and decided not to do it. The other possibility is that CCP, after giving its players free expansions, and deciding Dust would be free to download and free to play, decided not to go to the effort of coding a game based around online play and online connectivity with an online PC game for a platform where you have to pay to play online.
The Shamen Chemical Vision	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:06:00 - [303] PS3 is a better piece of hardware than the xbox. Xbox is for children. Microsoft won't allow communication between eve and the xbox. That's why it's on ps3. Nobody cares that you whiner's aren't gonna play. Buy a ps3 and HTFU or STFU.
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:22:00 - [304] Originally by: The Shamen PS3 is a better piece of hardware than the xbox. Xbox is for children. Microsoft won't allow communication between eve and the xbox. That's why it's on ps3. Nobody cares that you whiner's aren't gonna play. Buy a ps3 and HTFU or STFU. How do you determine XBOX is for children? You are a moron. The only console you could say is for children is Wii. PS3 and XBOX share a lot of the same titles so with your logic PS3 is also for children. You are so ignorant it's hard to laugh at you because it's just sad....
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:24:00 - [305] Originally by: Jefferson H Clay Originally by: John'eh Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code. Picks up bat with nails through it Now could you quantify this please? By LIVE do you mean the god aweful system eating crash happy abomination that it's mother wishes had been aborted hunk of code otherwise known as Games for Windows LIVE? Or do you mean XBL? XBL. My code actually works. :)
Kodiakash II	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:33:00 - [306] Hugely disappointing. I was looking forward to this as were a lot of my friends but now I guess not. Such a shame.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.07 21:41:00 - [307] Originally by: AlisterCrowley Originally by: Kestrix I'm quite pleased with this actually :) I was going to buy a PS3 anyway and I've done a bit of digging and if the game supports it you can use a keyboard and mouse which you can't do with an XBOX 360! So the next question is does Dust 514 support a keyboard and mouse? Just a little heads up for you, I haven't found a shooter yet on the PS3 that supports being played via the keyboard and mouse you can hookup, and it's doubtful DUST514 will either. So was I just on some crazy acid trip when I played unreal tournament 3 with a keyboard and mouse in front of my big screen?
Dana Louise	Posted - 2011.06.07 22:00:00 - [308] Ha Ha HA Ha Ha HA Ha Ha Ha ps3 exclusive, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha more like ps3 elusive ha ha ha ha, dust just failed before it was released. every ps3 owner i know sold them and bought xbox's due to sony's lack of security, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.06.07 22:06:00 - [309] Originally by: John'eh Originally by: Jefferson H Clay Originally by: John'eh Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code. Picks up bat with nails through it Now could you quantify this please? By LIVE do you mean the god aweful system eating crash happy abomination that it's mother wishes had been aborted hunk of code otherwise known as Games for Windows LIVE? Or do you mean XBL? XBL. My code actually works. :) Excellent, nice to meet you.
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.08 00:18:00 - [310] Originally by: Dana Louise Ha Ha HA Ha Ha HA Ha Ha Ha ps3 exclusive, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha more like ps3 elusive ha ha ha ha, dust just failed before it was released. every ps3 owner i know sold them and bought xbox's due to sony's lack of security, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Lying isn't nice. I know you just want to sound cool, but srsly.

AlisterCrowley	Posted - 2011.06.08 00:50:00 - [311] Originally by: The Shamen PS3 is a better piece of hardware than the xbox. Xbox is for children. Microsoft won't allow communication between eve and the xbox. That's why it's on ps3. Nobody cares that you whiner's aren't gonna play. Buy a ps3 and HTFU or STFU. You do realize the primary complaint isn't that it's not being released for xbox, but that it's not being released for PC right? Pull your head out of your ass child. And before you spout off, yes I do have a ps3 and xbox.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 00:52:00 - [312] Originally by: Dana Louise Ha Ha HA Ha Ha HA Ha Ha Ha ps3 exclusive, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha more like ps3 elusive ha ha ha ha, dust just failed before it was released. every ps3 owner i know sold them and bought xbox's due to sony's lack of security, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha yer sure! ------------------------------------
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:16:00 - [313] "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage." "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
knobber Jobbler Holding Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:17:00 - [314] Originally by: The Shamen PS3 is a better piece of hardware than the xbox. Xbox is for children. Microsoft won't allow communication between eve and the xbox. That's why it's on ps3. Nobody cares that you whiner's aren't gonna play. Buy a ps3 and HTFU or STFU. shows how little you know. There are several games that interact between xbl and pc
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:21:00 - [315] Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Dana Louise Ha Ha HA Ha Ha HA Ha Ha Ha ps3 exclusive, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha more like ps3 elusive ha ha ha ha, dust just failed before it was released. every ps3 owner i know sold them and bought xbox's due to sony's lack of security, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha yer sure! somehow i think the part about some people he knows sold there ps3 for xboxs may be correct i know a few of my friends ditched there ps3s for xboxs after this security failure theres 5 dust sales right there lost they told me there not even going to bother buying a ps3 after the halo 4 anouncement a bit ago along with a few other games ccp lost out to all the halo players XD
Quality Poaster SEEEEE	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:25:00 - [316] Xbox players seem mad. Hey, at least you get re-hashed terrible halo gaming again, right?
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:31:00 - [317] Edited by: jowming on 08/06/2011 01:36:09 Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Xbox players seem mad. Hey, at least you get re-hashed terrible halo gaming again, right? no we get master chief again finaly about dam time bungie and there crap spinoffs ended ''edit i in no way indorse microsoft or there crappy consoles infact my console got rrd and have not had one for half a year nor can afford to get a new one or any other console''
Quality Poaster SEEEEE	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:33:00 - [318] Originally by: jowming Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Xbox players seem mad. Hey, at least you get re-hashed terrible halo gaming again, right? no we get master chef again finaly about dam time bungie and there crap spinoffs What the hell is Gordon Ramsay doing in halo?
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.08 01:37:00 - [319] Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Originally by: jowming Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Xbox players seem mad. Hey, at least you get re-hashed terrible halo gaming again, right? no we get master chef again finaly about dam time bungie and there crap spinoffs What the hell is Gordon Ramsay doing in halo? sorry fixed it could not find master chief in a chef hat so edited
Quality Poaster SEEEEE	Posted - 2011.06.08 02:17:00 - [320] Originally by: jowming Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Originally by: jowming Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Xbox players seem mad. Hey, at least you get re-hashed terrible halo gaming again, right? no we get master chef again finaly about dam time bungie and there crap spinoffs What the hell is Gordon Ramsay doing in halo? sorry fixed it could not find master chief in a chef hat so edited your google fu is weak

Somal Thunder Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.08 02:41:00 - [321] this thread would've been exactly the same if it was xbox exclusive. end thread.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.06.08 02:48:00 - [322] lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. There's 2 reasons this game is (and was always going to be) PS3 exclusive Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Secondary (consumer) reason: PS3 hardware is superior, the gfx card is nVidia designed, and the system uses blu-ray discs for games. This means it's easier to code for CCP (already familiar with nVidia), the game will have a much better finish/polish than on xbox (both due to better hardware and and hires textures on BR discs), and finally a PS3 exclusive is more likely to be a longer and more content filled game than another console game due to the much, much larger disc size. In summation: lolol, you chose the wrong console. Also, if you didn't know this was going to be PS3 exclusive as soon as the link to EVE online was announced then you are frankly ******ed. That's not such a hard leap to make, I mean after all you bought an xbox ^^ ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Jack0 Daniels	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:04:00 - [323] i just wanted ya know... a pc version...as console owner i am but nothing new =)
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:08:00 - [324] Edited by: jowming on 08/06/2011 03:10:00 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. There's 2 reasons this game is (and was always going to be) PS3 exclusive Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Secondary (consumer) reason: PS3 hardware is superior, the gfx card is nVidia designed, and the system uses blu-ray discs for games. This means it's easier to code for CCP (already familiar with nVidia), the game will have a much better finish/polish than on xbox (both due to better hardware and and hires textures on BR discs), and finally a PS3 exclusive is more likely to be a longer and more content filled game than another console game due to the much, much larger disc size. In summation: lolol, you chose the wrong console. Also, if you didn't know this was going to be PS3 exclusive as soon as the link to EVE online was announced then you are frankly ******ed. That's not such a hard leap to make, I mean after all you bought an xbox ^^ wait what gfx card or any of that does not mean squat on the consoles all games look the same pretty much now days and it was on the xbox way back in 09 i beleive and farther more if there running the unreal engine its not like you need a uber system to run it when thats from back in 08 or 07 cant remember that engine runs on just about any hardware nowdays "source engine would have been better fyi could run that engine on a calculator and it would still look bad ass and get 60 frames a second" and more talks with microsoft could have possibly have made it possible and eve runs on pretty much any graphics card not just nvidia. dam marketing and such ruining games. and was stated that you were going to be able to download the game and buy from the store so blueray means jack squat along with the movies you can play on a blueray player those are horrible looking looks like its all highspeed or something and not natural
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:12:00 - [325] Originally by: jowming Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. There's 2 reasons this game is (and was always going to be) PS3 exclusive Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Secondary (consumer) reason: PS3 hardware is superior, the gfx card is nVidia designed, and the system uses blu-ray discs for games. This means it's easier to code for CCP (already familiar with nVidia), the game will have a much better finish/polish than on xbox (both due to better hardware and and hires textures on BR discs), and finally a PS3 exclusive is more likely to be a longer and more content filled game than another console game due to the much, much larger disc size. In summation: lolol, you chose the wrong console. Also, if you didn't know this was going to be PS3 exclusive as soon as the link to EVE online was announced then you are frankly ******ed. That's not such a hard leap to make, I mean after all you bought an xbox ^^ wait what gfx card or any of that does not mean squat on the consoles all games look the same pretty much now days and it was on the xbox way back in 09 i beleive and farther more if there running the unreal engine its not like you need a uber system to run it when thats from back in 08 or 07 cant remember that engine runs on just about any hardware nowdays "source engine would have been better fyi could run that engine on a calculator and it would still look bad ass and get 60 frames a second" and more talks with microsoft could have possibly have made it possible and eve runs on pretty much any graphics card not just nvidia. dam marketing and such ruining games. incomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensibl ewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehen siblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewalloftextincomprehensiblewallo ftextincomprehensiblewalloftext ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:13:00 - [326] You guys should probably remember that it may be Microsoft's fault that the game cannot be released on X-Box 360. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:17:00 - [327] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Professional Xbox360 developer with real experience working at MSFT doing just that in Redmond, WA, USA here, and you are WRONG. Many other games - I could list them but I would rather you Google it - work very well on XBL and with systems that also work on the PC. Stop showing your ignorance, it only makes you look worse than you already do. The next person to spout off this bs will look worse, granted, but still you said it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:25:00 - [328] Edited by: Tippia on 08/06/2011 03:27:48 Originally by: John'eh The next person to spout off this bs will look worse, granted, but still you said it. So that would be the CCP devs, then? Whether you think it's BS or not, several companies expressed similar problems when dealing with XBL. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:27:00 - [329] Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 03:19:35 Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 03:17:27 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Professional Xbox360 developer with real experience working at MSFT doing just that here, and you are WRONG. Many other games - I could list them but I would rather you Google it - work very well on XBL and with systems that also work on the PC. Its a big part of what MS likes to do, as it makes them bigger in the industry, so no its not MS's fault as they do in my experience everything they can to get games like Dust on XBL. Blame CCP. Stop showing your ignorance, it only makes you look worse than you already do. The next person to spout off this bs will look worse, granted, but still you said it. Sure I totally believe the faceless forum random who hasn't given a single example of this xbox/PC synergy Coincidently I'm Bill Gates and I say your full of lies Even it it were possible to link the two, it'd be additional work and therefore additional expense for CCP. Considering dust is simply a huge publicity stunt they will not be eager to spend unnecessary cash on it. Another nail in the coffin is xBox fee based online play, this doesn't match up with the dust business model. Blame CCP if you want, but they simply made the decision that is best for them as a company, and best for the eventual users of Dust. They made these decisions based on roadblocks microsoft put in their path. ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:38:00 - [330] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 08/06/2011 03:27:48 Originally by: John'eh The next person to spout off this bs will look worse, granted, but still you said it. So that would be the CCP devs, then? No, no, no.. the CCP devs already look bad so saying such things don't really hurt them. they already have a reputation for low quality and being lazy, so I don;t see how they could hurt themselves anymore given the large number of broken promises they have made to the community. They are of course, free to prove me wrong and damage their reputation more (and probably will). Originally by: Tippia Whether you think it's BS or not, several companies expressed similar problems when dealing with XBL. Prove it. And make sure you can prove it was actually hard to work with, and not just them being lazy or having unrealistic expectations about the minimal quality bar they could get away with, as I assume that is the issue here if such a situation did indeed exist (and I highly doubt it!).

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:41:00 - [331] Originally by: John'eh Prove it. As you said: google it.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:44:00 - [332] Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 03:19:35 Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 03:17:27 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Professional Xbox360 developer with real experience working at MSFT doing just that here, and you are WRONG. Many other games - I could list them but I would rather you Google it - work very well on XBL and with systems that also work on the PC. Its a big part of what MS likes to do, as it makes them bigger in the industry, so no its not MS's fault as they do in my experience everything they can to get games like Dust on XBL. Blame CCP. Stop showing your ignorance, it only makes you look worse than you already do. The next person to spout off this bs will look worse, granted, but still you said it. Its never a technical reason that these things don't work. Blame the bizdev guys if anything. I don't see many technical reasons that XBL can't support a free to play, MT driven game, that people can DL for free off the XBL arcade, update as needed and have it compete (however tenuous that is) with the core Scifi FPS IP. Pushing that cost back on CCP would kill it far more quickly that the exclusive, just sayin'.
Dolm De'Mourne	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:50:00 - [333] Edited by: Dolm De''Mourne on 08/06/2011 03:55:23 Originally by: John'eh Prove it. And make sure you can prove it was actually hard to work with, and not just them being lazy or having unrealistic expectations about the minimal quality bar they could get away with, as I assume that is the issue here if such a situation did indeed exist (and I highly doubt it!). Several sources have cited steamworks as being on PS3 but not the 360 as a XBL regulation issue. How is that terribly different from what CCP intends to do with updating Dust? Do you think Valve isn't putting a sincere attempt towards XBL either? and if so, why? PS: Another article list Square Enix as having the same sentiment as Valve towards XBL.
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:53:00 - [334] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 03:19:35 Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 03:17:27 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lolol the fanboi tears arre delicious. Primary (dev) reason: Microsoft licensing restrictions are far too draconian to allow this game to be linked to EVE with an xbox server. There is simply no way they could release this on xbox as anything other than a standalone shooter. Professional Xbox360 developer with real experience working at MSFT doing just that here, and you are WRONG. Many other games - I could list them but I would rather you Google it - work very well on XBL and with systems that also work on the PC. Its a big part of what MS likes to do, as it makes them bigger in the industry, so no its not MS's fault as they do in my experience everything they can to get games like Dust on XBL. Blame CCP. Stop showing your ignorance, it only makes you look worse than you already do. The next person to spout off this bs will look worse, granted, but still you said it. Its never a technical reason that these things don't work. Blame the bizdev guys if anything. I don't see many technical reasons that XBL can't support a free to play, MT driven game, that people can DL for free off the XBL arcade, update as needed and have it compete (however tenuous that is) with the core Scifi FPS IP. Pushing that cost back on CCP would kill it far more quickly that the exclusive, just sayin'. Still doesn't make any sense; But yeah I would imagine the bizdev guys at CCP screwing things up to be a possibility.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.08 03:55:00 - [335] Originally by: Zofran Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 07/06/2011 20:46:56 As a guy who has done XBox Development at MSFT (Use LIVE in any way? You are using my code.) I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link. I know a lot of you are think otherwise, but take this information straight from the horses mouth as somebody who knows what they are talking about from personal experience, and will not be saying too much because of that: XBox would have loved having this, it just would have taken some effort on CCP's side to set up things running correctly to get the systems connected over a secured link. Based on this data I can only assume that CCP was too lazy or too unskilled and decided not to do it. Yup, pretty much this - also based on experience. The reasoning is pretty much just golden handshakes and the ability to roll out low quality patches at the drop of a hat and the asian market - which is something dust is aiming at more than anyone thinks. And based on my personal experience, programers have zero input on or idea of business decisions in large corporate environments, however much they think they do.
Sakura Ren Fenikkusu	Posted - 2011.06.08 04:03:00 - [336] I believe they will release DUST 514 for other consoles and perhaps PC in the future. DUST 514 used Unreal Engine 3, which works on all platforms. It should only be a matter of porting and testing the 3rd Party libraries on the other platforms. Quote: I can confirm that if CCP wanted to put the effort into bringing Dust to the XBOX360, the servers/etc would have happily supported both it AND the tranquility link This could very well be the reason why they went for the PS3 instead of the XBox 360. I must admit that I don't know the restrictions PSN/Sony place on the PS3 connecting to servers, but if it came between CCP hosting the server right next to the Tranquility cluster or another company on the other side of the planet hosting the server, I know which I would choose. Question: How would DUST 514 receive and apply updates? I'm seriously curious about this. Will patch files be saved to the PS3 HDD/memory device and just re-applied everytime you start the game, or will the features related to DUST 514 just be frozen as implemented on EVE until they release a new version of DUST 514. My Decision: I will not be playing DUST 514, unless it comes to the PC. That said, I don't really want to see it on the PC, as I know how easily games are hacked and bots created for first-person shooters on the PC, especially with Unreal Engine 3, which already has several aim-bots out there. (Ruined Unreal Tournament 3) I won't be buying a PS3 or any other console. It seems that as soon as I buy a console and obtain a nice selection of games for that console, a brand new console with better games is released. It happened with my Sega Genesis, Gameboy, Nintendo 64, and my Playstation 2 (I probably really should clean that thing off, nice thick layer of DUST on it. :P ) Anyway, it is unfortunate that something that could have a profound impact on the EVE Universe will be unplayable by many in the community. Thanks for reading.
BeforetheStorm90 Gallente The Sagan Clan	Posted - 2011.06.08 04:11:00 - [337] Originally by: LastTraitorStanding GUYS! THERE'S A SILVER LINING HERE! Assuming that we can interact with DUST players, we can just accept really cheap contracts all day long and shoot an endless amount of PS3 players in the face! The griefing possibilities are ENDLESS! You know how zealous PS3 owners are! This. Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -Mark Twain
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 04:22:00 - [338] Originally by: BeforetheStorm90 Originally by: LastTraitorStanding GUYS! THERE'S A SILVER LINING HERE! Assuming that we can interact with DUST players, we can just accept really cheap contracts all day long and shoot an endless amount of PS3 players in the face! The griefing possibilities are ENDLESS! You know how zealous PS3 owners are! This. If these guys can shoot down ships, I hope we can shoot them FROM ships. After all, its only fair.
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.08 04:29:00 - [339] NEW Question... Has CCP given any though to what would happen to Dust if PSN was Crashed again and kept offline for a month after they release it? i mean it was down for a full month already and has gone down several times already right??? any able to tell me when xbox live went down? i honestly dont know of a time when the whole xbox live network has been down...
Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.08 04:56:00 - [340] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Max Gades notice the "we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony" and think about it... that right there means what you just stated hold no weight. unless they officaly state that they will not publicly there is half of the eve community that has no peace of mind over this. think about it for a few. Note also in the linked quote that I state that if we were to change that stance you would be notified... Dear god... head, meet brick wall. Head, meet brick wall, Head, meet brick wall... We have no idea what business deals were signed between CCP and Sony. A good number of us, in light of events in the past month, wouldn't trust Sony to look after our cats, nevermind our personal and financial data. You can point to random forum quotes all day long, and its not going to change the fact that a good number of us want reassurance. And the best way you're going to get that, in my opinion, is a statement from a CCP Executive posted on eveonline.com, or at the very least ccpgames.com, stating that our EVE Online account data will not be shared at all with Sony or its subsidiaries. EVEN IF its a reiteration of already stated policies. No offense, Sreegs, but unless you're going to out yourself as someone who makes high-level business decisions for CCP, I'm cannot trust your statements to keep my personal data safe. -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.

Khalia Nestune Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.08 05:01:00 - [341] I won't be playing DUST: The PS3 is expensive, and I have no trust in Sony w/r/t account security.
Galdor Gallente Khatovar Industries Ltd	Posted - 2011.06.08 06:57:00 - [342] I had considered trying Dust when it eventually goes into beta or launch, because it was originally said it would be on the 360. But now that Dust is going to be on the PS3, forget it. There is no way I would ever buy any Sony product or game, especially a PS3. Sony has no respect for their customers, they make over-priced hardware and over-hyped game titles on an outdated console. CCP has sealed the fate of Dust if they maintain that Dust will be a PS3 exclusive. In fact, as a pilot in EVE I will even do my best to avoid using any features related to Dust514 after it launches if it is still PS3 exclusive. I know I am only one person, but I am sure the thought has crossed other pilot's minds who are not happy about the PS3 news.
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 06:59:00 - [343] Originally by: Max Gades NEW Question... Has CCP given any though to what would happen to Dust if PSN was Crashed again and kept offline for a month after they release it? i mean it was down for a full month already and has gone down several times already right??? any able to tell me when xbox live went down? i honestly dont know of a time when the whole xbox live network has been down... Thats because unlike CCP or Sony, MSFT holds its employees accountable for their actions. With CCP and the hiring practices that they must account for - moving to Iceland is not something everybody is willing to do, for example - it is much more difficult for CCP to replace the employees that suck than it is for MSFT. Sony just sucks, and the people managing their network should commit seppuku, imho.
Dolm De'Mourne	Posted - 2011.06.08 07:12:00 - [344] Originally by: John'eh Steam already works with Live for Windows. The PC games that support Live for Windows can be sold and downloaded from Steam. So really, Microsoft and Valve already have a working relationship. One of the big issues I have seen on the net cited is size of the games, but that alone would not be an issue. I would imagine that the deal killer here is the fact that CCP is well known for low quality code and patch after patch and given that ms would probably bill CCP for that sort of action the cost of pushing out so many patches instead of releasing higher quality code was an issue, if MS had any issues with CCP at all.. as I highly doubt that CCP even tried XBL based on the public data available. Yup, I know more than you think.. More than i'm allowed to say. Hence why I'm not surprised. That said, its public knowledge that ps3 is the platform so as they have no stated they tried XBL we can only assume that they never tried. Please note I'm not asking because I think you have to prove anything to me, but considering steam on windows, does the lack of presence for it on XBL, relating to portal 2 specifically, not seem to suggest that maybe Valve/CCP see something we do not? Comments I've seen from Valve have said the presence of steamworks (on Xbox Live specifically) is up to MS, that they would need to relax/make exceptions for their policies. Also, what do you think of CCP's statement of the PS3 being more MMO friendly?
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.06.08 08:51:00 - [345] Im going to buy a PS3 to play dust! Then 'Im going to send a few thousand dollars to this Nigeria cause apparently I have a cousin there who was a Prince and died leaving me a large inheritance. The only reason I can see CCP has gone with Song is money. They must get more out of the deal with them.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.08 10:29:00 - [346] Edited by: J Kunjeh on 08/06/2011 10:29:22 Great interview over at RPS that adds a lot to this discussion: Quote: CCP: Sony ôMore Openö To DUST Experiment By Jim Rossignol on June 8th, 2011 at 9:25 am. Producer Thomas Farrer explained the controversial decision to make EVE tie-in shooter DUST 514 a PS3 exclusive in an interview with RPS earlier today. He explained: ômost of DUST is running on our own technology, itÆs running on our own super-computer, on Tranquillity. And Sony is a lot moreà open, shall we say, to allowing you to do those things. It may seem silly, but on Xbox Live your identity is your Xbox Live identity. In the EVE universe, having people not know who you are is quite important.ö When asked whether a 360 version was an impossibility, he reasoned that ôI donÆt think itÆs about saying we ôcouldnÆtö do it. I think some of the challenges weÆd meet would be tricky. But then also as a developer youÆve got to weigh the balance. ItÆs nice to work on one platform rather than two, because it means you donÆt have to make any awkward compromises, technically. Also you get the benefit of a closer relationship with that platform. ô On the prickly issue of there not being a PC client, Farrer explained: ôwe donÆt want to cannibalise our own player-base.ö Read the full thing here. ~Gnosis~
Niobo Aeschy	Posted - 2011.06.08 11:10:00 - [347] Confirming that I also will not be buying a PS3 merely for another generic FPS. Sales of Dust would be higher on the PC than any console. Speaking as someone who sells Games and Consoles for a living, console gamers are FICKLE. They play a game for a week, two tops, and trade it in for the next CoD. Then the game goes on sale as a pre-owned and the developer makes no more money from it, and no new copies ever get bought again. Prediction: High percentage first week sales. Server crashes on day one, is hacked by day three, unoccupied by the end of week one. Dust is withdrawn after the second month. CCP move onto the next pointless thing instead of fixing EvE. - OR - see sense and make it available for the PC and bag a high percentage of current EvE players, who will have a vested interest in KEEPING playing Dust long-term.
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.08 11:16:00 - [348] Not to whine CCP, but couldn't you have picked a system that still has a chance of existing after a year because of the flood of lawsuits about PSN? Like, I don't know, PC's? Or even Xboxes? Either of those have a superior multiplayer network and population, along with being way less expensive than that glorified Blu-Ray player that is the PS3. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.06.08 11:32:00 - [349] Originally by: MotherMoon not to mention xbox has a 0% tolerance on letting PC and console games connect. The PC version of dust we all know will come out some day has to be able to play with the console. This is never going to happen because the console losers need a aim-bot to help them hit anything (which frankly isn't amazing due to the dismal controllers that these crap consoles have). Same reason why PC and PS3 gamers can't play BC2 together. It's funny how badly CCP have been failing in the last few years... terrible design choices, terrible resource allocation (wasting resources on dress-dolls while the quality of the game is diminishing with every new patch), dismal product quality in general... I remember a time when I thought they were the best game developers out there.. unprofessional and nerdy, yes but at least they knew what sweaty gamers want. Now it looks more and more like some marketing quack has taken control and is trying to alienate as many loyal long-term customers as possible in as short a time as possible. Sad.
Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.08 12:04:00 - [350] I wonder if CCP are becoming a second party to Sony in the console marketplace, what with being exclusive across all Playstation brands. Sony has history of not allowing console titles to be published on PC and I doubt that is going to change with this contract. It probably is the likely reason the game is never coming to PC or any platforms now and in the future. That would also give an indication as to why the CCP developer responses to the 'why no PC version?' are so shaky and paper thin. I still need clarification on the shared information scenario. For me, personally, I don't want my ingame character/s information - name - corp - alliance - employment history - etc to be searchable/accessible to any Playstation user or Sony if I am to be excluded from that part of the game. Bugger that. I see no reason as a paying customer for that to be happening. The other issue I have is how the games both work when one is in d/t and the other is live. How does the EVE player defend assets when they can be compromised when downtime is in effect and the Dust players are winning rounds when we are not there? CCP can't be seriously considering having a daily downtime for a console FPS can they? Really?

Ajurna Jakar Gallente Jian Products Engineering Group Atlas.	Posted - 2011.06.08 12:17:00 - [351] Will we be able to contract to the Dust parts? I cant wait for all the scamers to get involved a flush their market. its gonna be a tough learning time for alot of kids ^_^
Florio Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.08 12:33:00 - [352] Dust seems to have persistency which is a fairly unique selling point for a console shooter isn't it? This, together with the EVE links, might make the Dust community very attractive. If the social elements are strong and the community is attractive, perhaps players are more likely to stick around for longer, giving more revenue to the companies involved. I don't know shrug, I'm not a businessman who has built up a multi-million dollar company. Some of you must be given how sure you are of this product's demise. Remember, loads of you were scathing about incarna, yet now here you are wetting your knickers in excitement like schoolgirls at a Bieber concert.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 13:56:00 - [353] Edited by: Tippia on 08/06/2011 14:01:38 Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu Question: How would DUST 514 receive and apply updates? The same way EVE does. Start the game, see "new patch!" message, wait for it to download and install, play game. Originally by: Niobo Aeschy Confirming that I also will not be buying a PS3 merely for another generic FPS. Sales of Dust would be higher on the PC than any console. Speaking as someone who sells Games and Consoles for a living, console gamers are FICKLE. They play a game for a week, two tops, and trade it in for the next CoD. Again, this is assuming that Dust will be like all other games, where the N+1 version will be out in stores in a month or two and where the shooters are practically interchangeable. None of this will be the case for Dust, so the behaviour cannot be predicted that easily. Originally by: Rey Bahn I wonder if CCP are becoming a second party to Sony in the console marketplace, what with being exclusive across all Playstation brands. Sony has history of not allowing console titles to be published on PC and I doubt that is going to change with this contract. It probably is the likely reason the game is never coming to PC or any platforms now and in the future. Nice theory, except that the decision not to publish on PC came long before the decision to make it PS3 exclusive. The existence of a myriad titles that do exactly that also belies the theory. Quote: That would also give an indication as to why the CCP developer responses to the 'why no PC version?' are so shaky and paper thin. "Not our target market" is shaky and paper thin? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Phoenix Fire Antham	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:17:00 - [354] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 01:17:56 Oh man CCP couldn't of picked a better system. now it doesn't have to compete with halo 4. It doesn't have to make us pay for dlc f you Microsoft It doesn't have to be compatible with kinetic. It ties the space base right into playstation home. And They are even going to extend the gameplay to the mobile device. Epic. Also Microsoft does not allow for beta testing on xbox live. And they would of made eve a god damn rail shooter like fable. not to mention xbox has a 0% tolerance on letting PC and console games connect. The PC version of dust we all know will come out some day has to be able to play with the console. Xbox is full of fail. I used to love them but after today's E3 presentation it's obviously how fail they are. Before going on a PS3 fanboi rant, know your info about the other systems your ranting about please. Telling info like this to people who don't know better makes you look like a fool when they find out the truth. 1. Kinect compatibility doesn't matter, Sony could use Move, which would be worse than Kinect. 2. Competing with Halo 4? Its competing worse with it now, if Dust was released on 360 it would gain the Halo crowds attention. On PS3 it wont gain the Halo crowds attention and still compete with those who have a 360 and PS3. 3. Ties the space base into Playstation Home. This could be done with a Halo Waypoint type setup on 360 easily. Which could in turn be tied to this website even. 4. Extending the game to mobile device, ever hear of the Windows 7 Phone with Live? (not that that it powerful enough most likely so this IS an advantage for Sony) 5. No Beta testing on Live? What this "Gear of War 3 Beta" Ive been playing off an on for weeks now on Live? 6. Microsoft to make Eve a rail shooter like Fable? Oooook, Eve is a PC game, and wouldn't be on the consoles to begin with, let alone a rail shooter like fable. Sides, Microsoft didn't make Eve, CCP did. 7. Exclusive to PS3 means no PC/Wii/360 version. So cross platform talking isn't an issue. Sides, ever hear of Final Fantasy XI? It talks between PC, PS2, PS3, and 360. As well as you can play a few of your PC games on 360 through Media Center. So before going on a rant, make sure you know your facts. What it comes down to is the fact that Dust should have been 360 and PS3.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:29:00 - [355] Man, I was hoping for a version on the Wii. I was looking forward to getting some exercise "swatting" the baddies.
MinSebsis Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:40:00 - [356] PS3 only limits your player pool. I think the extra work to make it work with Xbox360 and even Wii would be worth it. I think you are limiting your options for what should have been a epic win. Still bugs me too that you would not make a PC version. CCP needs to expand its brand if it thinks making a PC version will gut it's current player base.
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 16:10:00 - [357] Originally by: Dolm De'Mourne Please note I'm not asking because I think you have to prove anything to me, but considering steam on windows, does the lack of presence for it on XBL, relating to portal 2 specifically, not seem to suggest that maybe Valve/CCP see something we do not? Comments I've seen from Valve have said the presence of steamworks (on Xbox Live specifically) is up to MS, that they would need to relax/make exceptions for their policies. Also, what do you think of CCP's statement of the PS3 being more MMO friendly? Not sure what your talking about, I have portal on my Xbox360. And The issue with Valve isn't that MS doesn't support it, it clearly does.
Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.08 16:16:00 - [358] OO the sweet, sweet tears of Xbox kiddos are soo delicious! Why would you want an xbox anyway?
Jones Bones Heretic Army	Posted - 2011.06.08 16:19:00 - [359] We wouldn't even be talking about this if they had just built DUST for a PC release. People trully underestimate the staying power of the EVE community. This game is 8 years old and still growing at a steady pace. User generated tools (dotlan, BC, eve-kill, omber, Chribba's stuff, etc, etc.) are vastly superior to the stuff you see for most MMOs. Now imagine an FPS you could continually update (maps, items, weapons like TF2) that ties into this community. But I'm just a simple IS/Project manager so I'll leave it to the Marketing Folks to tell me I'm an idiot.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.08 17:13:00 - [360] Originally by: MinSebsis PS3 only limits your player pool. I think the extra work to make it work with Xbox360 and even Wii would be worth it. I think you are limiting your options for what should have been a epic win. Still bugs me too that you would not make a PC version. CCP needs to expand its brand if it thinks making a PC version will gut it's current player base. wii wouldn't be able to handle the processing power.... plus controler of the wii makes it un-useable. but your ideas are sound, it cant be on PC, because 90% of pc kids left are elitist and would never hire a console player..

DesertFox1940 Caldari Polly want a cracker	Posted - 2011.06.08 17:29:00 - [361] Originally by: Ori Empress OO the sweet, sweet tears of Xbox kiddos are soo delicious! Why would you want an xbox anyway? Easy Answer, When I got my 360 the PS3 wasn't out yet, PS3 Came out I liked my Xbox- None of the PS3 Exclusives have convinced me to shove out and buy a PS3 /I barely touch my Xbox as it is/ CCP shoving this as an exclusive is just, Well look at it this way. If they had made it all consoles PC,PS3,360. That would be A LOT of people possibly effecting EVE, Now? It's just a small limited number.
Budrick3 Douchingtons	Posted - 2011.06.08 17:29:00 - [362] Check out mah picture.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.08 17:47:00 - [363] "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage." "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.08 17:57:00 - [364] Originally by: DesertFox1940 Originally by: Ori Empress OO the sweet, sweet tears of Xbox kiddos are soo delicious! Why would you want an xbox anyway? Easy Answer, When I got my 360 the PS3 wasn't out yet, PS3 Came out I liked my Xbox- None of the PS3 Exclusives have convinced me to shove out and buy a PS3 /I barely touch my Xbox as it is/ CCP shoving this as an exclusive is just, Well look at it this way. If they had made it all consoles PC,PS3,360. That would be A LOT of people possibly effecting EVE, Now? It's just a small limited number. If by small you mean if just 1% of the Ps3 userbase played eve it would dwarf the number of people playing eve, then yes.
DesertFox1940 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.08 18:34:00 - [365] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: DesertFox1940 Originally by: Ori Empress OO the sweet, sweet tears of Xbox kiddos are soo delicious! Why would you want an xbox anyway? Easy Answer, When I got my 360 the PS3 wasn't out yet, PS3 Came out I liked my Xbox- None of the PS3 Exclusives have convinced me to shove out and buy a PS3 /I barely touch my Xbox as it is/ CCP shoving this as an exclusive is just, Well look at it this way. If they had made it all consoles PC,PS3,360. That would be A LOT of people possibly effecting EVE, Now? It's just a small limited number. If by small you mean if just 1% of the Ps3 userbase played eve it would dwarf the number of people playing eve, then yes. 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.. Sony has between 1.5Million-1.8 Million Users log on to PSN every day... 1% of 1.5 Million is 15,000... 1% of 1.8 Million is 18,000.. Last time I checked Eve had more then 18,000 People..
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.08 18:45:00 - [366] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 08/06/2011 18:48:53 Originally by: DesertFox1940 Edited by: DesertFox1940 on 08/06/2011 18:37:49 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: DesertFox1940 Originally by: Ori Empress OO the sweet, sweet tears of Xbox kiddos are soo delicious! Why would you want an xbox anyway? Easy Answer, When I got my 360 the PS3 wasn't out yet, PS3 Came out I liked my Xbox- None of the PS3 Exclusives have convinced me to shove out and buy a PS3 /I barely touch my Xbox as it is/ CCP shoving this as an exclusive is just, Well look at it this way. If they had made it all consoles PC,PS3,360. That would be A LOT of people possibly effecting EVE, Now? It's just a small limited number. If by small you mean if just 1% of the Ps3 userbase played eve it would dwarf the number of people playing eve, then yes. 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.. Sony has between 1.5Million-1.8 Million Users log on to PSN every day... 1% of 1.5 Million is 15,000... 1% of 1.8 Million is 18,000.. Last time I checked Eve had more then 18,000 People.. Now cut THAT number in half again due to the 1% that are busy with COD or other games, THEN Throw Dust in there or EVE.. Dwarf the numbers? No.. Pertinent fact: PSN has over 70 million current users. Now who knows what percentage of those players would be logged into DUST over the course of your average day (considering all of the competition), however I don't think 1% is unrealistic (Hopefully a bit low). That's 700,000 people a day. Nobody knows how it will actually turn out, but that's a heck of a lot of potential exposure to the EVE universe. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Spurna Minmatar Bath and Body Works S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.06.08 18:46:00 - [367] Originally by: DesertFox1940 Edited by: DesertFox1940 on 08/06/2011 18:37:49 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: DesertFox1940 Originally by: Ori Empress OO the sweet, sweet tears of Xbox kiddos are soo delicious! Why would you want an xbox anyway? Easy Answer, When I got my 360 the PS3 wasn't out yet, PS3 Came out I liked my Xbox- None of the PS3 Exclusives have convinced me to shove out and buy a PS3 /I barely touch my Xbox as it is/ CCP shoving this as an exclusive is just, Well look at it this way. If they had made it all consoles PC,PS3,360. That would be A LOT of people possibly effecting EVE, Now? It's just a small limited number. If by small you mean if just 1% of the Ps3 userbase played eve it would dwarf the number of people playing eve, then yes. 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.. Sony has between 1.5Million-1.8 Million Users log on to PSN every day... 1% of 1.5 Million is 15,000... 1% of 1.8 Million is 18,000.. Last time I checked Eve had more then 18,000 People.. Now cut THAT number in half again due to the 1% that are busy with COD or other games, THEN Throw Dust in there or EVE.. Dwarf the numbers? No.. Well, since we're arbitrarily cutting numbers in half... Eve currently has 44k on right now. Also, since we're talking about People, then cut that in half since most of those are running 2+ clients at once.
John'eh Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services	Posted - 2011.06.08 19:15:00 - [368] Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 19:16:08 Originally by: Spurna Well, since we're arbitrarily cutting numbers in half... Eve currently has 44k on right now. Also, since we're talking about People, then cut that in half since most of those are running 2+ clients at once. So lets do some math. Lets assume that you are right. Thats 22,000 people logged into eve at once. Lets also assume only 4 different large timezones around the word that are involved in eve, USA/EU/Russian)/AU as despite the fact more exist these are the big blocks. Lets also assume that the people online remains constant despite time zone. Thus, 22,000 people at once is per time zone. So that means at most around 88,000 people online. Each of them pay for an account in some way, via isk with plex that somebody else bought in real world funds, or in a monthly sub paid with real world funds. Its probably a lot more, please prove em wrong or get better data if you can find it. Lets assume that every account has a real world money value of $15.00/USD a month. So based on these numbers CCP is pulling in $15.00/month * 88,000 subscribers.. or $1,320,000 every month, or $15,840,000/year gross on Eve subscriptions alone. Lets assume the average enveloper makes around 80k. Based on that, with no other costs and upkeep, CCP could hire 198 different programmers to be on staff. The numbers we have seen publicly show a much smaller number, so of course that would mean they are simply keeping profits and not working on the game to make it better. What does this all have to do with this thread? Simple: CCP has money to invest in the platforms that people actually trust and want to use, but have chosen not to.
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.08 19:29:00 - [369] Originally by: Tippia Oh, here and thereà Most notably the known fact that XBL has more restrictive policies than PSN; that other developers have said the same thing; that CCP themselves hinted at this problem two years ago; that they're still hinting at that problem; and just some good old non-tinfoil logic. While it is true that XBL does not have open access to the game console like PS3 allows (thank god for that) XBL does allow for external connections to the game publishers servers ... in somewhat like a proxy format. CCPs issue is sorta stupid actually ... and BTW CCP has hinted at a lot of things that turned out to be just DumbDevTalk (tm), your taking it all as fact is kinda silly. Quote: Ehmà what? Why would they have made it an exclusive for that reason? Wouldn't it have been better to squeeze cash out of both 360 and PS3 owners? You're not making any sense hereà Sure if you know literally nothing about the gaming industry you would of course be confused by this ... but its simple, MS does not allow the game publishers to provide its own IGC (In Game Currency)this has nothing to do with greed but rather its a mix of legality issues as well as logical issues. For example the last thing MS wants is to has an IGC that causes the game to be a huge business ... if that happened you run the chance of the game being ruined by a) a large organized business taking over 3/4 of the game (hi DRF)using REAL money to fund their works for a real profit. b) the IGC being used as a method for legalized gambling. This will inevitably cause issues not only with state departments in the US (gambling) but you will also probably end up with devs that are on the IGC business' payroll (hi CCP Soundwave, Grayscale, did PL let yall into their corps yet?) All in all it ends up ruining the game and the brand ... as well as possible issues with the Fed. This is why MS has institutes a XBL points system as a foundation for their IGC ... i am pretty sure CCP did not like this ... why? PLEX BTW ... XBOX makes most of their money from licensing ... so they have every reason to play ball ... this was a CCP failure pure and simple. Sony played ball simply because they HQ under different circumstances and have the foresight of a blind man.
Dolm De'Mourne	Posted - 2011.06.08 19:53:00 - [370] Originally by: Phigmeta Originally by: Tippia Oh, here and thereà Most notably the known fact that XBL has more restrictive policies than PSN; that other developers have said the same thing; that CCP themselves hinted at this problem two years ago; that they're still hinting at that problem; and just some good old non-tinfoil logic. While it is true that XBL does not have open access to the game console like PS3 allows (thank god for that) XBL does allow for external connections to the game publishers servers ... in somewhat like a proxy format. CCPs issue is sorta stupid actually ... and BTW CCP has hinted at a lot of things that turned out to be just DumbDevTalk (tm), your taking it all as fact is kinda silly. Quote: Ehmà what? Why would they have made it an exclusive for that reason? Wouldn't it have been better to squeeze cash out of both 360 and PS3 owners? You're not making any sense hereà Sure if you know literally nothing about the gaming industry you would of course be confused by this ... but its simple, MS does not allow the game publishers to provide its own IGC (In Game Currency)this has nothing to do with greed but rather its a mix of legality issues as well as logical issues. For example the last thing MS wants is to has an IGC that causes the game to be a huge business ... if that happened you run the chance of the game being ruined by a) a large organized business taking over 3/4 of the game (hi DRF)using REAL money to fund their works for a real profit. b) the IGC being used as a method for legalized gambling. This will inevitably cause issues not only with state departments in the US (gambling) but you will also probably end up with devs that are on the IGC business' payroll (hi CCP Soundwave, Grayscale, did PL let yall into their corps yet?) All in all it ends up ruining the game and the brand ... as well as possible issues with the Fed. This is why MS has institutes a XBL points system as a foundation for their IGC ... i am pretty sure CCP did not like this ... why? PLEX BTW ... XBOX makes most of their money from licensing ... so they have every reason to play ball ... this was a CCP failure pure and simple. Sony played ball simply because they HQ under different circumstances and have the foresight of a blind man. If Dust will allow players to do with their isk what capsuleers have the freedom to do with theirs (scam, gamble, etc) I could see that as being an issue with MS as you describe their rules. So you say CCP's business model won't work with MS and put all the blame on CCP? CCP had to fund dust in some manner and chose not to make it subscription based to make a low entry barrier. Sound like a choice between having paid subs on both consoles or MT's on PSN. Given that choice I'd have to agree, PSN was the way to go to get the most players by having the lowest financial barrier to gameplay.

Fredfredbug4 Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:00:00 - [371] Would a Mod care to lock this thread? The OP is just a whine without any rhyme or reason. And now it's turned into nothing but a console war. Oh I remember now, its almost summer, all the kiddies are going to be online more. Because only 13 year olds actually give a crap about whether someone has a different opinion. Great, DUST is for PS3, what's the bid deal? Nobody is forcing you to buy a PS3 and play DUST and if you do that it just shows how naive and easily influenced you are. Plus CCP wants to appeal to a different crowd. They don't want EVE players to also be playing DUST, that kind of defeats the point. And maybe CCP put it on PS3 for a reason. Fanboys are still the scum of the earth but I noticed the Xbox fanboys seem to be more aggressive and less rational than the PS3 fanboys. And no, I'm not a fanboy, I own all the consoles and play the regularly. Point is this thread had no purpose other than to whine and get other people to whine and now it is a flamewar. Someone lock it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:15:00 - [372] Originally by: Phigmeta While it is true that XBL does not have open access to the game console like PS3 allows (thank god for that) Why is that a good thing? Quote: XBL does allow for external connections to the game publishers servers ... in somewhat like a proxy format. This sounds like a bad thing for what CCP wants to do. In other words, it's an XBL policy issue. Quote: Sure if you know literally nothing about the gaming industry you would of course be confused by this ... but its simple, MS does not allow the game publishers to provide its own IGC (In Game Currency)this has nothing to do with greed but rather its a mix of legality issues as well as logical issues. That doesn't really answer the question: why would CCP's wish to "bilk [us] poor idiots out of more money" make them decide to only pursue one platform? Here, you're saying that it wasn't CCP's decision, but (again) a restriction with the XBL policies ù had CCP had their way, it would have been on both platforms. So your original claim still doesn't make sense. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:22:00 - [373] Originally by: Dolm De'Mourne Originally by: Phigmeta Originally by: Tippia Oh, here and thereà Most notably the known fact that XBL has more restrictive policies than PSN; that other developers have said the same thing; that CCP themselves hinted at this problem two years ago; that they're still hinting at that problem; and just some good old non-tinfoil logic. While it is true that XBL does not have open access to the game console like PS3 allows (thank god for that) XBL does allow for external connections to the game publishers servers ... in somewhat like a proxy format. CCPs issue is sorta stupid actually ... and BTW CCP has hinted at a lot of things that turned out to be just DumbDevTalk (tm), your taking it all as fact is kinda silly. Quote: Ehmà what? Why would they have made it an exclusive for that reason? Wouldn't it have been better to squeeze cash out of both 360 and PS3 owners? You're not making any sense hereà Sure if you know literally nothing about the gaming industry you would of course be confused by this ... but its simple, MS does not allow the game publishers to provide its own IGC (In Game Currency)this has nothing to do with greed but rather its a mix of legality issues as well as logical issues. For example the last thing MS wants is to has an IGC that causes the game to be a huge business ... if that happened you run the chance of the game being ruined by a) a large organized business taking over 3/4 of the game (hi DRF)using REAL money to fund their works for a real profit. b) the IGC being used as a method for legalized gambling. This will inevitably cause issues not only with state departments in the US (gambling) but you will also probably end up with devs that are on the IGC business' payroll (hi CCP Soundwave, Grayscale, did PL let yall into their corps yet?) All in all it ends up ruining the game and the brand ... as well as possible issues with the Fed. This is why MS has institutes a XBL points system as a foundation for their IGC ... i am pretty sure CCP did not like this ... why? PLEX BTW ... XBOX makes most of their money from licensing ... so they have every reason to play ball ... this was a CCP failure pure and simple. Sony played ball simply because they HQ under different circumstances and have the foresight of a blind man. If Dust will allow players to do with their isk what capsuleers have the freedom to do with theirs (scam, gamble, etc) I could see that as being an issue with MS as you describe their rules. So you say CCP's business model won't work with MS and put all the blame on CCP? CCP had to fund dust in some manner and chose not to make it subscription based to make a low entry barrier. Sound like a choice between having paid subs on both consoles or MT's on PSN. Given that choice I'd have to agree, PSN was the way to go to get the most players by having the lowest financial barrier to gameplay. Thats assuming that they need to use a subscription model ... such an assumption would be incorrect BTW. the PSN and XBL sub models are pretty much the same theses day with the exception of how IGC works .... Personally i believe that CCP could have easily made DUST without method of interchanging IGC between eve .... but that would not fit their model of greed now would it. I mean THEY COULD of course make a a great game like MW2 or BF3 .... but isn't it easier to make a mediocre game and then use the hype to fuel a sub model ?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:28:00 - [374] Originally by: Phigmeta I mean THEY COULD of course make a a great game like MW2 or BF3 Or wait, noà the proper one would be When did "derivative" and "great" become synonymsà? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:28:00 - [375] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Phigmeta While it is true that XBL does not have open access to the game console like PS3 allows (thank god for that) Why is that a good thing? because PSN is not secure... unlike the method that XBL uses PSN traffic is very insecure and open to many forms of attack. Quote: XBL does allow for external connections to the game publishers servers ... in somewhat like a proxy format. This sounds like a bad thing for what CCP wants to do. In other words, it's an XBL policy issue. Quote: Really ... do tell us .. how DOES CCP plan to interact with your console ? Sure if you know literally nothing about the gaming industry you would of course be confused by this ... but its simple, MS does not allow the game publishers to provide its own IGC (In Game Currency)this has nothing to do with greed but rather its a mix of legality issues as well as logical issues. That doesn't really answer the question: why would CCP's wish to "bilk [us] poor idiots out of more money" make them decide to only pursue one platform? Here, you're saying that it wasn't CCP's decision, but (again) a restriction with the XBL policies ù had CCP had their way, it would have been on both platforms. So your original claim still doesn't make sense. Because CCP wants you to buy PLEX ... because apparently the SUB model just wasn't enough for them ' Jesus man get with the program
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:30:00 - [376] Originally by: Phigmeta Because CCP wants you to buy PLEX ... because apparently the SUB model just wasn't enough for them Which, again, doesn't answer the question, and rather contradicts the original claim you made. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:32:00 - [377] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Phigmeta I mean THEY COULD of course make a a great game like MW2 or BF3 Or wait, noà the proper one would be When did "derivative" and "great" become synonymsà? What you mean like the Halo derivative that DUST is ?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:36:00 - [378] Originally by: Phigmeta What you mean like the ~~Halo~~ Planetside derivative that DUST is ? Kind of, but not nearly. We're not talking about the kind very tiny, incremental, and largely superficial change those games represent, after allà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:37:00 - [379] eve has 350,000 subs not 88,000..... also PSN has 70 million users log in a day. Ps3 makes up 30% of netflicks use. not made up 1% of 70 mil is 700,000 double the number of eve players. I'm not worried, dust will be able to get 100,000 users easy.
Val Amora	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:38:00 - [380] Lol I can't believe this- PS3 only? FAIL.

Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2011.06.08 20:45:00 - [381] Doesn't matter to me either way, I don't have either an 360 or ps3. I only play games on the pc Oh no you don't! Incoming witty reply, ETA: 300 seconds!
Dolm De'Mourne	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:07:00 - [382] Originally by: Phigmeta Thats assuming that they need to use a subscription model ... such an assumption would be incorrect BTW. the PSN and XBL sub models are pretty much the same theses day with the exception of how IGC works .... Personally i believe that CCP could have easily made DUST without method of interchanging IGC between eve .... but that would not fit their model of greed now would it. I mean THEY COULD of course make a a great game like MW2 or BF3 .... but isn't it easier to make a mediocre game and then use the hype to fuel a sub model ? Personally I prefer FTP/MT(World of Tanks comes to mind) or just FTP over sub for some types of games and this is one of them. Not sure how BF3 works, but MW2 is free to play online, + paid DLC (Map packs) should you want it. Also there is no ingame economy or attempt at a "persistent world" of any sort. If dust were a disconnected world related to Eve in name only the I'd agree with you, but the 2 are designed to interact in ways that the games you mention aren't. I'm confused how this is a move motivated by "Greed" as you go from necessitating people pay you just to play to allowing them to play for free and selling stuff on the side. Or are you suggesting that Dust will be incapable of evolving like Eve does, and will remain, gameplay wise, as static as BF/MW games do. These games are funded by having people buy in every year or 2, where dust will not. As such they need a different model for revenue. Though, if Dust was a BF/MW clone and that was all it had to offer, I think it would fail regardless of what platforms it was on.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:09:00 - [383] Originally by: John'eh Edited by: John''eh on 08/06/2011 19:16:08 Originally by: Spurna Well, since we're arbitrarily cutting numbers in half... Eve currently has 44k on right now. Also, since we're talking about People, then cut that in half since most of those are running 2+ clients at once. So lets do some math. Lets assume that you are right. Thats 22,000 people logged into eve at once. Lets also assume only 4 different large timezones around the word that are involved in eve, USA/EU/Russian)/AU as despite the fact more exist these are the big blocks. Lets also assume that the people online remains constant despite time zone. Thus, 22,000 people at once is per time zone. So that means at most around 88,000 people online. Each of them pay for an account in some way, via isk with plex that somebody else bought in real world funds, or in a monthly sub paid with real world funds. Its probably a lot more, please prove em wrong or get better data if you can find it. Lets assume that every account has a real world money value of $15.00/USD a month. So based on these numbers CCP is pulling in $15.00/month * 88,000 subscribers.. or $1,320,000 every month, or $15,840,000/year gross on Eve subscriptions alone. Lets assume the average enveloper makes around 80k. Based on that, with no other costs and upkeep, CCP could hire 198 different programmers to be on staff. The numbers we have seen publicly show a much smaller number, so of course that would mean they are simply keeping profits and not working on the game to make it better. What does this all have to do with this thread? Simple: CCP has money to invest in the platforms that people actually trust and want to use, but have chosen not to. I'm not sure where you are going with your "math". Yes, CCP is doing well, but do you honestly believe that simply covering the cost of the Devs salary in any way approaches their total expenditures to stay in business? Wow. I would like to have a company that only has to worry about the amount of money that shows up in my employee's paycheck. You might start by doubling that as to what CCP actually outlays after they take care of various fee's, insurance, unemployment, benefits, etc. Then of course there is paying for the huge pipelines they use, equipment outlay and maintenance on the game servers, equipment outlay and maintenance on their basic office equipment, facilities, utilities, advertising, licensing fee's, etc. (to name a very few). Then multiply that by 4 (Iceland, China, US, and their facilities in the UK. You dismiss all of this with a single sentence and try to speak intelligently as to how much income CCP has to spare. My friend, not only is it none of your buisness, I'm begining to think you wouldn't understand it if they spelled it out in detail. Personally I hope that all of CCP's projects work out to be wonderfully popular, and incredibly profitable. I have enjoyed EVE so much, for so long, I would continue to feel that way if the EVE servers shut down for good tomorrow. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Galdor Gallente Khatovar Industries Ltd	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:24:00 - [384] Originally by: MotherMoon eve has 350,000 subs not 88,000..... also PSN has 70 million users log in a day. Ps3 makes up 30% of netflicks use. not made up 1% of 70 mil is 700,000 double the number of eve players. I'm not worried, dust will be able to get 100,000 users easy. I would seriously not try to base an argument on half-truths. If you are going to quote stats, quote the whole perspective and don't skew it. First of all, Netflix was originally on the 360 a whole year before PS3 because guess why? Because Netflix uses Microsoft VC1AP technology and Microsoft Silverlight. Always has, so if PS3 is so superior then why do they rely on networking and streaming technology from Microsoft? lol. Also, as far as the percentage of usage goes for Netflix, that 30% mentioned was only the most recent estimate and only 4.8% higher than 360 users. Which btw, I think CCP cares more about gamers than people watching movies anyhow. Finally, considering the problems with instability and security PSN has had this year, I would not go bragging about anything on their shoddy network. Which by the way, the problem had nothing to do with the Microsoft technology, but Linux Sony uses. Sony at E3 even said they were still not back up to original user numbers after the outage so there is no real known estimate currently. Besides, the 360 didn't lose 170mill USD this year, PS3 did.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:30:00 - [385] Originally by: Galdor Originally by: MotherMoon eve has 350,000 subs not 88,000..... also PSN has 70 million users log in a day. Ps3 makes up 30% of netflicks use. not made up 1% of 70 mil is 700,000 double the number of eve players. I'm not worried, dust will be able to get 100,000 users easy. I would seriously not try to base an argument on half-truths. If you are going to quote stats, quote the whole perspective and don't skew it. First of all, Netflix was originally on the 360 a whole year before PS3 because guess why? Because Netflix uses Microsoft VC1AP technology and Microsoft Silverlight. Always has, so if PS3 is so superior then why do they rely on networking and streaming technology from Microsoft? lol. Also, as far as the percentage of usage goes for Netflix, that 30% mentioned was only the most recent estimate and only 4.8% higher than 360 users. Which btw, I think CCP cares more about gamers than people watching movies anyhow. Finally, considering the problems with instability and security PSN has had this year, I would not go bragging about anything on their shoddy network. Which by the way, the problem had nothing to do with the Microsoft technology, but Linux Sony uses. Sony at E3 even said they were still not back up to original user numbers after the outage so there is no real known estimate currently. Besides, the 360 didn't lose 170mill USD this year, PS3 did. my point wasn't one was better. I wasn't even comparing the systems dude... don't turn my post into some console war rubbish. i was commenting on the fact the PS3 has lots of users, and the idea that no on uses the ps3 thus dust will fail is nuts.
jowming	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:30:00 - [386] Originally by: Florio Dust seems to have persistency which is a fairly unique selling point for a console shooter isn't it? This, together with the EVE links, might make the Dust community very attractive. If the social elements are strong and the community is attractive, perhaps players are more likely to stick around for longer, giving more revenue to the companies involved. I don't know shrug, I'm not a businessman who has built up a multi-million dollar company. Some of you must be given how sure you are of this product's demise. Remember, loads of you were scathing about incarna, yet now here you are wetting your knickers in excitement like schoolgirls at a Bieber concert. no to tell you the truth mech assault 2 lone wolf had a persistent galaxy and you caped planets that was back on the first xbox chromehounds also had a persistent map but was reset at the end of the month to keep it balanced think that games servers were shut down a few months ago though was fun to play
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:32:00 - [387] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 08/06/2011 21:35:04 [ Quote: Which btw, I think CCP cares more about gamers than people watching movies anyhow. You are correct, Netflix numbers have little to do with this. Quote: Which by the way, the problem had nothing to do with the Microsoft technology, but Linux Sony uses. Because Microsoft software is almost never hacked, and Linux is hacked all the time? Interesting argument. And here I thought that it was targeted specifically because of it's law suit against a known hacker. Something I think most people support by the way. Quote: Besides, the 360 didn't lose 170mill USD this year, PS3 did. Somehow I don't think either Sony or Microsoft is/would be in any kind of financial danger from a $170mil in lost revenue. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Zensige 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:39:00 - [388] I guess CCP does not read Anonymous' newsletters ^^, according to operation Dolphin punch they are coming after Sony again. Not only are you missing sales by making is ps3 exclusive, you are gonna lose even more based on ps3 failure cascade incoming. Note: I was planning to play it but not anymore I guess.
Kalen C'Fean	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:40:00 - [389] Edited by: Kalen C''Fean on 08/06/2011 21:41:20 Originally by: Phigmeta Originally by: Tippia Oh, here and thereà Most notably the known fact that XBL has more restrictive policies than PSN; that other developers have said the same thing; that CCP themselves hinted at this problem two years ago; that they're still hinting at that problem; and just some good old non-tinfoil logic. While it is true that XBL does not have open access to the game console like PS3 allows (thank god for that) XBL does allow for external connections to the game publishers servers ... in somewhat like a proxy format. CCPs issue is sorta stupid actually ... and BTW CCP has hinted at a lot of things that turned out to be just DumbDevTalk (tm), your taking it all as fact is kinda silly. So, basically, you're saying that it's a not straightforward to develop software with heavy online features that require connecting to something other than XBL servers on the 360, whereas Sony is much more open and flexible in regards to that, just as CCP were hinting - but, somehow, CCP's still wrong. Quote: Quote: Ehmà what? Why would they have made it an exclusive for that reason? Wouldn't it have been better to squeeze cash out of both 360 and PS3 owners? You're not making any sense hereà Sure if you know literally nothing about the gaming industry you would of course be confused by this ... but its simple, MS does not allow the game publishers to provide its own IGC (In Game Currency)this has nothing to do with greed but rather its a mix of legality issues as well as logical issues. For example the last thing MS wants is to has an IGC that causes the game to be a huge business ... if that happened you run the chance of the game being ruined by a) a large organized business taking over 3/4 of the game (hi DRF)using REAL money to fund their works for a real profit. b) the IGC being used as a method for legalized gambling. This will inevitably cause issues not only with state departments in the US (gambling) but you will also probably end up with devs that are on the IGC business' payroll (hi CCP Soundwave, Grayscale, did PL let yall into their corps yet?) All in all it ends up ruining the game and the brand ... as well as possible issues with the Fed. This is why MS has institutes a XBL points system as a foundation for their IGC ... i am pretty sure CCP did not like this ... why? PLEX BTW ... XBOX makes most of their money from licensing ... so they have every reason to play ball ... this was a CCP failure pure and simple. Sony played ball simply because they HQ under different circumstances and have the foresight of a blind man. So you're saying that going with the 360 would force CCP to make choices they do not want to make, and force them to do things how Microsoft want, whereas going with the PS3 allows them a lot more freedom to design and run their game how they want, but, somewhow, CCP are still in the wrong for not going with XBL. I'm sorry, but your position appears completely nonsensical to me. The simple fact of the matter is that, quite often, developers who attempt to do something like what CCP is trying with Dust 514 find it difficult on the 360 because of how closed Microsoft keep the Xbox Live service. Anyone who is familiar with, for example, the situation as regards Final Fantasy XIV on consoles or console versions of Valve's Steam service knows this. For those not familiar with these, Final Fantasy XIV has been delayed on the PS3, but is still planned. However, it has been pretty much totally cancelled on the 360 because the developers could not get Microsoft to agree to lift some of the restrictions on Xbox Live. With Steam, that's already available for the PS3, and Valve have said they would love to do it for the 360, but, again, are unable to because Microsoft won't let them have control of updates and patches for their own game and don't like third party tools interfacing with Xbox Live, basically.
Kalen C'Fean	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:48:00 - [390] It's also interesting to note how people are saying how this doesn't 'fit in with CCP's greed', or similar. Sorry, giving away a game for free, with no monthly subscription, and only relying on whatever you feel like buying from an in-game store for income from that game doesn't sound very greedy to me.

Tinwe Linto	Posted - 2011.06.08 21:52:00 - [391] Originally by: Fredfredbug4 And no, I'm not a fanboy, I own all the consoles and play the regularly. I like that you flame the "fanboys," but refute your own argument by flaming in the first place. A nice built-in counter to your own post. On another note: I like that the vast majority of the people who "don't mind" it being on the PS3 are apparently taking the higher road...but also conveniently own PS3's themselves. If you're going to tell people not to complain, you might want to leave that out; it's like a rich person telling a poor person that money isn't important, it's rather hard to believe. I honestly like CCP, and I enjoy EVE a lot; I'm just incredibly displeased that there is literally 0% chance of me playing Dust, despite being pumped about it for two years. I will never buy a PS3, both because of the security issues and because there is no reason why I would fork over several hundred dollars for one game-I don't care about the other PS3 exclusives that are out or are coming out (and I don't watch movies often, so Blu-Ray tech is also pointless to me). I'm not going to stop playing EVE, I just am frustrated that I can't play Dust. Call that whining if you will, I'm entitled to it after all the hype they built up around it.
Sayyadina Drain	Posted - 2011.06.08 22:10:00 - [392] The one silver lining I can see in this is that if I can raze an entire battlefield in orbit in a dreadnought, then I'll know I'm not killing fellow Xbox users.
Roderak Pleem Minmatar Abandoned Land	Posted - 2011.06.08 22:12:00 - [393] Not having read the entirety of the thread.. It seems to me that Dust514 being exclusive on the PS3 is for roughly the same reason Steam is exclusively on the PS3. XBL is a closed, paid network, controlled entirely by MS. It works for MS and millions of XBOX users, it just doesn't make a good match for some content producers. Personally, I'd feel more secure on sonys network now (not before the hacking incident) because it is, and will be far into the future, under a powerful microscope, everyone is watching. With that kind of scrutiny, people tend to get their stuff together. HTFU
Fredfredbug4 Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.08 22:44:00 - [394] Originally by: Tinwe Linto Originally by: Fredfredbug4 And no, I'm not a fanboy, I own all the consoles and play the regularly. I like that you flame the "fanboys," but refute your own argument by flaming in the first place. A nice built-in counter to your own post. On another note: I like that the vast majority of the people who "don't mind" it being on the PS3 are apparently taking the higher road...but also conveniently own PS3's themselves. If you're going to tell people not to complain, you might want to leave that out; it's like a rich person telling a poor person that money isn't important, it's rather hard to believe. I honestly like CCP, and I enjoy EVE a lot; I'm just incredibly displeased that there is literally 0% chance of me playing Dust, despite being pumped about it for two years. I will never buy a PS3, both because of the security issues and because there is no reason why I would fork over several hundred dollars for one game-I don't care about the other PS3 exclusives that are out or are coming out (and I don't watch movies often, so Blu-Ray tech is also pointless to me). I'm not going to stop playing EVE, I just am frustrated that I can't play Dust. Call that whining if you will, I'm entitled to it after all the hype they built up around it. The OP of a thread is the most important post in it. If you don't get your point across people will act irrationally. Something along the lines of what you just told me is something that should be in your first post. The whine, why you are whining and how it can be solved. Just posting two or three sentences only leads to trouble. Plus how could you create this thread and not expect a fanboy flamewar to occur? I'm sure you know how the internet works.
Realdoll1	Posted - 2011.06.08 23:26:00 - [395] Just another person raising my hand that Im disapointed in the PS3 exclusivety. I HATE consoles as is and barely mustered the strength to buy a 360. I cant rationalize spending another $400-$500 just to play Dust. Maybe someday it'll come out on PC or Xbox and I can get in on the action,, assuming Im still even playing and interested in EVE. Whats odd is they made it exclusive to a device whose worst markets are EVE onlines best markets. If they wanted to reward or cater to their core market(Europe and North America) the only options are Xbox or PC. Realldoll1
Whyther	Posted - 2011.06.09 00:15:00 - [396] Edited by: Whyther on 09/06/2011 00:16:23 I appreciate them wanting to branch out to the console market, but I think making it EXCLUSIVELY to the PS3 was a mistake. Latest NPD figures show the PS3 flat-lining and the 360 continuing in growth: http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/4099 (I have both consoles, and was looking forward to this game tremendously, but I very much dislike playing FPS on them, so will not be purchasing DUST. I enjoy my FPS with a mouse/keyboard on my heavy duty gaming PC much much more.) More than either console however, I want to understand why CCP chose to exclude it's biggest player base, the PC/Mac user?
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.09 00:34:00 - [397] Is there any tears left in this thread or have all been squeezed out already? Btw did you guys see the topic about ps3 getting keyb+mouse bundled with the dust? And the nice sharpshooter gun ps3 is getting? ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Kalen C'Fean	Posted - 2011.06.09 00:50:00 - [398] Originally by: Whyther Edited by: Whyther on 09/06/2011 00:16:23 I appreciate them wanting to branch out to the console market, but I think making it EXCLUSIVELY to the PS3 was a mistake. Latest NPD figures show the PS3 flat-lining and the 360 continuing in growth: http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/4099 Your own source indicates these are US only figures, and admits that Sony is stronger in both Europe and Japan. Worldwide figures show that this year, so far, the PS3 has actually outsold the 360 - 4.3 million v 3.6 million. This carries on the trend from last year, where the PS3 also outsold the 360 - 14.4 million v 12.1 million. Whilst it has been the case that the 360 has been beating the PS3 quite soundly, in terms of sales, that's changing, and, in terms of total sales, Sony's managed to narrow the gap to 3.4 million - 50.6 million PS3 sales v 54 million 360 sales.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:10:00 - [399] Originally by: Whyther snip More than either console however, I want to understand why CCP chose to exclude it's biggest player base, the PC/Mac user? For the umptenth's time.. because they want to tap into another market (consoles) and the controller used there for FPS aren't competitive in comparison to PC+keyb+mouse (mediocre PC FPSer creams top console FPSer anytime). Balancing this would had been impossible, so they might as well forget about the console (casue people there don't log in to line up to be shot down all the time) or the PC version would suck donkey balls (to keep it in line with the console, no one would like to play it on PC). And with all the bots/hacks/macros around and people's will for meta gaming you can kinda see another con for Dust on PC. TL;DR: CCP wants consoles, environment isn't made for coexistence of PC/console FPS, PC gets dropped. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:34:00 - [400] Maybe you guys don't read the news or don't have your ears to the ground like I do but... Anonymous is NOT finished with Sony... Sony STILL stores accounts information in plain text all they did was move it all to a different server with better security. They are like Apple they don't learn from their mistakes. LuLzSec has something planned especially for DUST 514... I am a neutral party in this whole thing. So when the EvE Economy is full of Dust Players with 999,999,999.00 Isk and Super Speed I don't want to hear a single person ***** because you all brought this on yourselves. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:37:00 - [401] Originally by: Xenuria Maybe you guys don't read the news or don't have your ears to the ground like I do but... Anonymous is NOT finished with Sony... Sure. But which part? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:40:00 - [402] Originally by: Xenuria Maybe you guys don't read the news or don't have your ears to the ground like I do but... Anonymous is NOT finished with Sony... and NATO is not finished with Anonymous.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:48:00 - [403] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Xenuria Maybe you guys don't read the news or don't have your ears to the ground like I do but... Anonymous is NOT finished with Sony... and NATO is not finished with Anonymous. Don't make me Laugh... NO really don't I am eating right now. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:49:00 - [404] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/06/2011 01:49:37 Originally by: Xenuria snip LuLzSec has something planned especially for DUST 514... I am a neutral party in this whole thing. So when the EvE Economy is full of Dust Players with 999,999,999.00 Isk and Super Speed I don't want to hear a single person ***** because you all brought this on yourselves. Not to worry then ..as it will fail anyway, right? Btw, didn't knew Dust was such a big fat target? Did I manage to miss the hype in the media? Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
CCK SUPERGOLDENCRISPS	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:51:00 - [405] Tell CCP we want DUST 514 on PC as well, Join the following facebook group to petiton the port to PC. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_173050446088883&ap=1
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:53:00 - [406] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/06/2011 01:49:37 Originally by: Xenuria snip LuLzSec has something planned especially for DUST 514... I am a neutral party in this whole thing. So when the EvE Economy is full of Dust Players with 999,999,999.00 Isk and Super Speed I don't want to hear a single person ***** because you all brought this on yourselves. Not to worry then ..as it will fail anyway, right? Btw, didn't knew Dust was such a big fat target? Did I manage to miss the hype in the media? It's not that Dust was always a big target.. Hackers like water, Travel the path of least resistance. Sony is notoriously easy to break into, to that end dust will be also. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 01:55:00 - [407] Originally by: CCK SUPERGOLDENCRISPS Tell CCP we want DUST 514 on PC as well, Join the following facebook group to petiton the port to PC. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_173050446088883&ap=1 SPOILER ALERT: DUST 514 will come to PC in a year. Nowhere in the agreement that CCP made with sony dose CCP promise that they won't be bringing DUST 514 to PC. Rest assured CCP will bring Dust to PC.. Just not in the near future. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:00:00 - [408] Bringing me nicely back to my point... With further information... not easily made available here on eveonline.com, I might add, regarding the mechanics... I really don't have a dog in this fight. I don't do 0.0 gameplay, and a bunch of console ****ers fighting over 0.0 planets doesn't affect me. Directly, anyway. "War is good for business..." The point is, however, just what deal CCP struck with Sony. I still want either publically posted (frontpage on eveonline.com, or preferably a press release on ccpgames.com) a statement of just what EVE Online data is being shared with Sony. CCP has made bad decisions regarding their customer base in the past, and Sony has more recently proven themselves incapable of securing data. I do not think that this too arduous of a request for CCP executives to fulfill. -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:04:00 - [409] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Bringing me nicely back to my point... With further information... not easily made available here on eveonline.com, I might add, regarding the mechanics... I really don't have a dog in this fight. I don't do 0.0 gameplay, and a bunch of console ****ers fighting over 0.0 planets doesn't affect me. Directly, anyway. "War is good for business..." The point is, however, just what deal CCP struck with Sony. I still want either publically posted (frontpage on eveonline.com, or preferably a press release on ccpgames.com) a statement of just what EVE Online data is being shared with Sony. CCP has made bad decisions regarding their customer base in the past, and Sony has more recently proven themselves incapable of securing data. I do not think that this too arduous of a request for CCP executives to fulfill. Either submit a formal Request and wait 4 months or look it up on wikileaks. It's on the internet I have seen it myself but it's kind of hard to pin down as its always 404ing. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:12:00 - [410] Originally by: Xenuria Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Xenuria Maybe you guys don't read the news or don't have your ears to the ground like I do but... Anonymous is NOT finished with Sony... and NATO is not finished with Anonymous. Don't make me Laugh... NO really don't I am eating right now. I'm not the chantards who went all "come at me bro" at the international mil-ind complex guys. I predict that will end in tears/drone strikes.

Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:14:00 - [411] Originally by: Xenuria Either submit a formal Request and wait 4 months or look it up on wikileaks. It's on the internet I have seen it myself but it's kind of hard to pin down as its always 404ing. Call me mad, but i'd like to think CCP as a better company than to hide behidn bureaucracy and silence. -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
Melistery	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:19:00 - [412] I think we should stop arguing about why it should or should not be an exclusive title, and instead all agree that... ...DUST 514 will fail regardless of console or exclusivity. List YOUR thoughts! Mine are: It's a CCP game and console gamers tolerate terrible games far less than PC gamers do. EVE Online is great. You know, after years and years of patches. And that part that's supposed to make it unique, the hundreds of players in a battle at once, doesn't work very well. I predict this game gets released and falls flat on its face because it's just broken or because of lag. I think CCP has taken its playerbase's patience for granted. We're patient only because we have hundreds of dollars and thousands of hours of time invested into the game already. You can't rage quit something that's roughly the same cost as a used car and sucked more time than ones kids. $60 console game? Easy.
Tu Ko Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:22:00 - [413] "eve has never had database lag. Try harder." unsuccessful troll?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:22:00 - [414] Originally by: Xenuria Sony is notoriously easy to break into, to that end dust will be also. Soà what, exactly, is it you believe these supposed Sony-hackers will be able to do with/to Dust? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ildryn	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:25:00 - [415] I don't own a ps3....but this gives me a pretty good reason to buy one. Wanted a blue-ray player anyway...now i get one of those too.
Tu Ko Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:32:00 - [416] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria Sony is notoriously easy to break into, to that end dust will be also. Soà what, exactly, is it you believe these supposed Sony-hackers will be able to do with/to Dust? Dust is using both Eve Isk and Microtransaction cash in its economy. We have already seen the lengths that 'hackers' will go to get passwords for Eve accounts, phishing mails and trojans. The pay off is when they sell Isk for real money, somewhere else. Now imagine if you are one of those with 'skillz' and on the same network there is both Credit Card purchases and Account information... all in plain text...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 02:35:00 - [417] Originally by: Tu Ko Dust is using both Eve Isk and Microtransaction cash in its economy. We have already seen the lengths that 'hackers' will go to get passwords for Eve accounts, phishing mails and trojans. The pay off is when they sell Isk for real money, somewhere else. Now imagine if you are one of those with 'skillz' and on the same network there is both Credit Card purchases and Account information... all in plain text... Ok, so some standard account theft in other words? Meh. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:16:00 - [418] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tu Ko Dust is using both Eve Isk and Microtransaction cash in its economy. We have already seen the lengths that 'hackers' will go to get passwords for Eve accounts, phishing mails and trojans. The pay off is when they sell Isk for real money, somewhere else. Now imagine if you are one of those with 'skillz' and on the same network there is both Credit Card purchases and Account information... all in plain text... Ok, so some standard account theft in other words? Meh. Tippia baby, I don't think you understand the gravity of this preposterous conundrum. PSN is going to be DIRECTLY linked to the TranQ Servers. That means a 1-1 Sharing of ALL information that eve players have. It's over man.. Game Over.. LuLzSec is going to hack the crap out of PSN and all the account information and passwords for all the eve accounts will be leaked also. Mark my words CCP will not soon recover from this pants on head decision. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:18:00 - [419] Originally by: Xenuria PSN is going to be DIRECTLY linked to the TranQ Servers. Of course it will, otherwise it would be hard to log in, wouldn't it? Quote: That means a 1-1 Sharing of ALL information that eve players have. No, it does not. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Quality Poaster SEEEEE	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:26:00 - [420] Originally by: Xenuria It's over man.. Game Over.. LuLzSec is going to hack the crap out of PSN and all the account information and passwords for all the eve accounts will be leaked also. Mark my words CCP will not soon recover from this pants on head decision. I know this is ~trolling~ and all, but on the off chance you're serious... YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO GET OUT, BIOMASS YOUR CHARACTERS, UNSUBSCRIBE, GO GO XENURIA THEY WILL NEVER GET TO YOU!

Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:29:00 - [421] Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Originally by: Xenuria It's over man.. Game Over.. LuLzSec is going to hack the crap out of PSN and all the account information and passwords for all the eve accounts will be leaked also. Mark my words CCP will not soon recover from this pants on head decision. I know this is ~trolling~ and all, but on the off chance you're serious... YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO GET OUT, BIOMASS YOUR CHARACTERS, UNSUBSCRIBE, GO GO XENURIA THEY WILL NEVER GET TO YOU! And I'll hold on to your stuff till it's safe for you to come back Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:29:00 - [422] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria PSN is going to be DIRECTLY linked to the TranQ Servers. Of course it will, otherwise it would be hard to log in, wouldn't it? Quote: That means a 1-1 Sharing of ALL information that eve players have. No, it does not. YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:34:00 - [423] Originally by: Xenuria YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. I guess you failed the course on (web services/XMPP/AMQP/FOTM Message passing tech) though.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:36:00 - [424] Originally by: Xenuria YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Nope. Quote: Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. Except, you know, that they're not doing that. So no, it does not mean what you think it means. As always. Tranq is not sharing any data with PSN. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:38:00 - [425] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Nope. Quote: Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. Except, you know, that they're not doing that. So no, it does not mean what you think it means. As always. Tranq is not sharing any data with PSN. If DUST is running on tranquility directly through PSN they are sharing some data period.
Nac MacFeegle Argyll Manufacturing	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:50:00 - [426] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Nope. Quote: Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. Except, you know, that they're not doing that. So no, it does not mean what you think it means. As always. Tranq is not sharing any data with PSN. If DUST is running on tranquility directly throuiugh PSN they are sharing some data period. And thus me repeatedly demanding a public declaration from CCP executives on what information, EXACTLY, is being shared with Sony... -- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:53:00 - [427] Edited by: Tippia on 09/06/2011 03:54:51 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill If DUST is running on tranquility directly through PSN they are sharing some data period. It's not. PSN isn't doing anything other than serve up customer logins. Dust is running on TQ; players connect through PSN. PSN might have to send some data to TQ, but none actually needs to be shared ù TQ can have its own separate record of who is who and if it doesn't like what PSN sends its way, it can simply say "nah, we don't know that guy ù DENIED!" Or, for that matter, TQ could say "hey, you're newà fill out this information" (none of which is sent back to PSN). Once the hand-off is done, PSN might as well not exist. àbut I suppose that connection failure message could be construed as some very basic form of data sharing. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Max Gades	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:55:00 - [428] Edited by: Max Gades on 09/06/2011 03:56:25 I keep seeing the same think keep coming up. which is the details that ccp is failing tell us. and they haven't official said that there will not be and TQ to PSN linking, that there will not be any information sharing or anything of that nature. the point of the fact and the matter reguardless of any post in a forum. it means nothing untill its officailly pass by ccp it self publicly, therefor anything stated on the for really holds no weight and thats why 90% of these post keep saying a public announcment. and ccp hasnt said that this is what they will do -> Dust is running on TQ; players connect through PSN. PSN might have to send some data to TQ, but none actually needs to be shared ù TQ can have its own separate record of who is who and if it doesn't like what PSN sends its way, it can simply say "nah, we don't know that guy ù DENIED!" Or, for that matter, TQ could say "hey, you're newà fill out this information" (none of which is sent back to PSN). Once the hand-off is done, PSN might as well not exist. àbut I suppose that connection failure message could be construed as some very basic form of data sharing.
Dolm De'Mourne	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:55:00 - [429] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Nope. Quote: Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. Except, you know, that they're not doing that. So no, it does not mean what you think it means. As always. Tranq is not sharing any data with PSN. If DUST is running on tranquility directly through PSN they are sharing some data period. They are, but it need not extend past what you can see by doing show info ingame. If you are in eve you have already authenticated to TQ, you don't need validation from Sony. I see no reason CCP would want or need to provide anything to Sony anyways. Best case PSN is a pass through to a dedicated dust node(s) on TQ. Worst case Dust is served on PSN network and the only thing that needs to be transmitted is the same info you put in a contract now.
Rik Drakon	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:57:00 - [430] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzYmnUMVkEo Looks like they got the idea from SOE. I played planetside before this game, its a shame SOE did not update their game like eve did. If they did that I am sure dust514 is what planetside would have looked like.

George Wilkes Hill	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:01:00 - [431] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 09/06/2011 03:54:51 Originally by: George Wilkes Hill If DUST is running on tranquility directly through PSN they are sharing some data period. It's not. PSN isn't doing anything other than serve up customer logins. Dust is running on TQ; players connect through PSN. PSN might have to send some data to TQ, but none actually needs to be shared ù TQ can have its own separate record of who is who and if it doesn't like what PSN sends its way, it can simply say "nah, we don't know that guy ù DENIED!" Or, for that matter, TQ could say "hey, you're newà fill out this information" (none of which is sent back to PSN). Once the hand-off is done, PSN might as well not exist. àbut I suppose that connection failure message could be construed as some very basic form of data sharing. According to CCP it is.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:03:00 - [432] Originally by: George Wilkes Hill According to CCP it is. Source? And no, the article you linked in the other thread does not say that. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:04:00 - [433] Really I think this "we're running on single shard and DUST connects to that" is just CCP hype and marketing bull**. Apart from that they'll maybe have central servers (ensuring the game is unplayable for 80% of the world) think any talk of "Super Computer" is just pure bull** to impress idiots.
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:56:00 - [434] Edited by: Selinate on 09/06/2011 04:57:12 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Really I think this "we're running on single shard and DUST connects to that" is just CCP hype and marketing bull**. Apart from that they'll maybe have central servers (ensuring the game is unplayable for 80% of the world) think any talk of "Super Computer" is just pure bull** to impress idiots. What constitutes a supercomputer, and makes it different from a regular computer? I know not! What I do know is that in 2012, I will be enjoying roflstomping noobs in Dust 514 on some random planet. (bcuz I made right choice with PS3! ) Here's to hoping that Dust 514 has a noob toob!!!! (Not really.....)
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.09 05:05:00 - [435] Originally by: Xenuria Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tu Ko Dust is using both Eve Isk and Microtransaction cash in its economy. We have already seen the lengths that 'hackers' will go to get passwords for Eve accounts, phishing mails and trojans. The pay off is when they sell Isk for real money, somewhere else. Now imagine if you are one of those with 'skillz' and on the same network there is both Credit Card purchases and Account information... all in plain text... Ok, so some standard account theft in other words? Meh. Tippia baby, I don't think you understand the gravity of this preposterous conundrum. PSN is going to be DIRECTLY linked to the TranQ Servers. That means a 1-1 Sharing of ALL information that eve players have. It's over man.. Game Over.. LuLzSec is going to hack the crap out of PSN and all the account information and passwords for all the eve accounts will be leaked also. Mark my words CCP will not soon recover from this pants on head decision. PSN doesn't need CC information from Eve players.. not even names and emails. If anything of that stuff is being hacked, it will be directly targeted at CCPs servers and not via the PSN. CCP will set up some API for the PSN to attach them console accounts to TQ and that's about it. Dust itself will be run on servers CCP will manage, not Sony. And as has been said above.. if you can't stand that, leave now. PS: you gotta show me where those hackers aim at tiny CCP for their 'collaboration' with Sony. If this train of thought would have any relevance Valve and some other bigger players than CCP would had been targeted by now for working with Sony. But go on, scream as long as you can. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Altus Morningstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.09 06:13:00 - [436] DUST will be an interesting experiment that will fail unfortunately. I actually do have a PS3 and as much as I want to say I'll join in the fun I cannot stomach playing shooters on consoles. The experience is inferior by comparison. I get what CCP is trying to do by bringing in new console blood $$$ but in a market completely saturated with console shooters (most of which suck) DUST will be an "also ran" title. The only way CCP will pull this out of the fire for a long term investment is if they treat the game like EVE. PC centric, solid depth, top of the line graphics and fully integrated with EVE proper. Yes, I want to fly a drop ship over a planet, launch a few mercs at the surface and use them to run around blasting people with a lot of death. The end is extremely f'ing nigh.
Mspaine Amarr Knights of Solitude Knights of the Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2011.06.09 06:57:00 - [437] Originally by: Altus Morningstar DUST will be an interesting experiment that will fail unfortunately. I actually do have a PS3 and as much as I want to say I'll join in the fun I cannot stomach playing shooters on consoles. The experience is inferior by comparison. I get what CCP is trying to do by bringing in new console blood $$$ but in a market completely saturated with console shooters (most of which suck) DUST will be an "also ran" title. The only way CCP will pull this out of the fire for a long term investment is if they treat the game like EVE. PC centric, solid depth, top of the line graphics and fully integrated with EVE proper. Yes, I want to fly a drop ship over a planet, launch a few mercs at the surface and use them to run around blasting people with a lot of death. Would you play it if CCP enabled the keyboard and mouse support freely avaliable with the PS3 (All games can be played with the keyboard and mouse on PS3 - its up to the game developers wether they want to use this feature or no - so far only 1 game has done this)? Ie - Then its as simple as getting a 22" LCD TV with HDMI and a DVI port- replacing that as you're main monitor - moving the PS3 to sit alongside you're PC. Press a button on the monitor so it switches to HDMI - plugin keyboard and mouse - off you go. (I think alot of players decision to buy Dust will be influenced by CCP's decision on this)
Abriael VonRosen	Posted - 2011.06.09 10:11:00 - [438] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 09/06/2011 10:15:42 just reiterating a few key facts for the ones utterly blinded by their platform preference, thing that causes them to completely miss the point. Repetita iuvant. 1: Dust was never supposed to be on PC, it's always been publicized as a console game 2: the fact that the PSN has been hacked doesn't mean that the PSN is less secure than any other online environment. Online networks are hacked every day, even networks that include much more sensible data than the PSN. Hell, even Xbox Live gets hacked from time to time, involving the accounts of major Microsoft executives. There's no ironclad network on the planet. As long as it's connected to the internet, all you can do is to protect it as much as you can, but if you **** of a hacker or a group of hackers that are determined and knowledgeable enough, there's a high chance that they'll get in. 3: What prevented Dust to be on Xbox 360 is not some weird unilateral decision from CCP, nor them "selling out" to the evil devil Sony (mind you, between Sony and Microsoft, the second is quite more well known for buying exclusives). The cause is to be found in Xbox Live's policies and structure: a) The network's structure is closed. Everything is handled by microsoft or through microsoft. b) No cross-platform play is allowed. it was intialy considered (and experimented upon with Final Fantasy XI, for instance), but then the idea was scrapped and no further instances have been allowed. c) All billing and patching is handled by microsoft or trough microsoft 3: If you believe that CCP didn't try to bring Dust to the 360 you're entirely delusional. They most probably tried, entering talks with microsoft to try and get an accomodation in order to make the cross-platform structure of Dust work with Xbox Live, and Microsoft, as usual, didn't budge of an inch, making the project impossible. They didn't budge for Valve (causing Gabe Newell to go rage on Sony's stage), they didn't budge for Square Enix (for Final Fantasy XIV), They didn't budge with Funcom or Cryptic (causing the cancellation of the 360 version of Age of Conan and Champions Online), do you really think they'd budge for CCP? 4: The ones most disappointed about Dust not being a multiplatform game aren't you guys, it's CCP, considering that they're losing potential userbase, and with it revenue. The facts are simple. The current Xbox Live policies are not MMORPG-friendly, or anywhere advantageous for any game that needs to be run like a MMORPG or that needs to interface with a MMORPG, or that needs to involve any kind of cross-platform gameplay. Want to patch your xbox 360 game? Sure. After your playtested your patch internally, you have to send it to microsoft, and wait for two weeks for them to certify it. Is your patch going to affect another platform (or a linked game on another platform)? Though luck. You'll have to wait. Oh wait, that's not even possible, anyway, because cross platform gameplay is disallowed by the xbox live policies Want to blame someone because Dust won't be on your favourite console? Microsoft -> That way. Probably you'll join quite a few CCP executives, they're probably more disappointed than you.
Anddeh McNab Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2011.06.09 10:32:00 - [439] Originally by: Xenuria Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria PSN is going to be DIRECTLY linked to the TranQ Servers. Of course it will, otherwise it would be hard to log in, wouldn't it? Quote: That means a 1-1 Sharing of ALL information that eve players have. No, it does not. YEah... Kinda dose bro.. Sorry to say.. Thats how network infrastructure bridging works. You Mirror the data to avoid the latency the would be caused by making endless requests for it from the other infrastructure your bridging too. I have my CCNA and my CISSP, I know what I am talking about. [sarcam] And I have my CompTIA Network+ you're arguement is invalid. Bro.[/sarcasm] If Dust players are going join EVE corps then if nothing else PSN users will have to authenticate with TQ, not the other way around. --- There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person.
Royk	Posted - 2011.06.09 11:34:00 - [440] Edited by: Royk on 09/06/2011 11:38:07 Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 09/06/2011 10:47:56 Just reiterating a few key facts for the ones utterly blinded by their platform preference, thing that causes them to completely miss the point. Repetita iuvant. 1: Dust was never supposed to be on PC, it's always been publicized as a console game 2: the fact that the PSN has been hacked doesn't mean that the PSN is less secure than any other online environment. Online networks are hacked every day, even networks that include much more sensible data than the PSN. Hell, even Xbox Live gets hacked from time to time, involving the accounts of major Microsoft executives. There's no ironclad network on the planet. As long as it's connected to the internet, all you can do is to protect it as much as you can, but if you get the attention of a hacker or a group of hackers that are determined and knowledgeable enough, there's a high chance that they'll get in, no matter what you do. 3: What prevented Dust to be on Xbox 360 is not some weird unilateral decision from CCP, nor them "selling out" to the evil devil Sony (mind you, between Sony and Microsoft, the second is quite more well known for buying exclusives). The cause is to be found in Xbox Live's policies and structure: a) The network's structure is closed. Everything is handled by microsoft or through microsoft. b) No cross-platform play is allowed. it was intialy considered (and experimented upon with Final Fantasy XI, for instance), but then the idea was scrapped and no further instances have been allowed. c) All billing and patching is handled by microsoft or trough microsoft. d) No Game Currency outside of microsoft points is allowed on Xbox Live. 3: If you believe that CCP didn't try to bring Dust to the 360 you're entirely delusional. They most probably tried, entering talks with microsoft to try and get an accomodation in order to make the cross-platform structure of Dust work with Xbox Live, and Microsoft, as usual, didn't budge of an inch, making the project impossible. They didn't budge for Valve (causing Gabe Newell to go rage on Sony's stage), they didn't budge for Square Enix (for Final Fantasy XIV), They didn't budge with Funcom or Cryptic (causing the cancellation of the 360 version of Age of Conan and Champions Online), do you really think they'd budge for CCP? 4: The ones most disappointed about Dust not being a multiplatform game aren't you guys, it's CCP, considering that they're losing potential userbase, and with it revenue. The facts are simple. The current Xbox Live policies are not MMORPG-friendly, or anywhere advantageous for any game that needs to be run like a MMORPG or that needs to interface with a MMORPG, or that needs to involve any kind of cross-platform gameplay. Want to patch your xbox 360 game? Sure. After your playtested your patch internally, you have to send it to microsoft, and wait for two weeks for them to certify it. Is your patch going to affect another platform (or a linked game on another platform)? Though luck. You'll have to wait to patch both platforms. Oh wait, that's not even possible, anyway, because cross-platform gameplay is disallowed by the xbox live policies. Want to blame someone because Dust won't be on your favourite console? Microsoft -> That way. Probably you'll join quite a few CCP executives, they're probably more disappointed than you. stop whining and listen to this guy. And please stop acting like CCP personaly wanted to offend you by making it PS3 exclusive. Go cry to your mum, I guess she'll care as much as us reading the forum edit: here some source to Abriael's post source

Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:36:00 - [441] Originally by: Kalen C'Fean So, basically, you're saying that it's a not straightforward to develop software with heavy online features that require connecting to something other than XBL servers on the 360, whereas Sony is much more open and flexible in regards to that, just as CCP were hinting - but, somehow, CCP's still wrong. Your confusing "easy to develop" with "easy to Code badly" When it comes to insecure and badly thought thru coding ... yeah sony wins in that category every-time. But coding on the XBOX360 (using the XDK and the Visual Studio IDE) and EVEN USING the Partner Portal system is a breeze. Now performing acts of halfassery is not exactly supported on the xbox in the way it is with the PS3 SDK ... that i will grant you... but see this is not a dev thread ... and frankly we would have to get into a long conversation about whether a secure portal method is better than a less secure (notice i did not say open) method that PSN employees to provide services. The question of who is at fault is easy .... CCP made the choice to go exclusive on a system that is LESS CAPABLE of providing a secure and an all around better expericance for the end user .... so what ? they can basicly sell thier own IGC Yeah i blame CCP for putting their greed above the satisfaction of their customers. Doesn't make CCP liable ... just means that it will end in failure. Originally by: Kalen C'Fean So you're saying that going with the 360 would force CCP to make choices they do not want to make, and force them to do things how Microsoft want, whereas going with the PS3 allows them a lot more freedom to design and run their game how they want, but, somewhow, CCP are still in the wrong for not going with XBL. I'm sorry, but your position appears completely nonsensical to me. The simple fact of the matter is that, quite often, developers who attempt to do something like what CCP is trying with Dust 514 find it difficult on the 360 because of how closed Microsoft keep the Xbox Live service. Anyone who is familiar with, for example, the situation as regards Final Fantasy XIV on consoles or console versions of Valve's Steam service knows this. For those not familiar with these, Final Fantasy XIV has been delayed on the PS3, but is still planned. However, it has been pretty much totally cancelled on the 360 because the developers could not get Microsoft to agree to lift some of the restrictions on Xbox Live. With Steam, that's already available for the PS3, and Valve have said they would love to do it for the 360, but, again, are unable to because Microsoft won't let them have control of updates and patches for their own game and don't like third party tools Lets see .. where to start? Valve's Executive staff are crooks ... and anyone who lives around here knows that. I will remind you that Valve doesn't like XBL for one reason and one reason only Steam. Your talking about a corp that built Steam to turn their best game into episodes ... then after they got a bunch of money for it basically screwed the franchise and concentrated on different IP. All while providing an "XBL-like experiance for PC" and then complaining about XBL the entire time. OH and BTW .. steam is really just glorified DRM in case ya didn't know. The main issue they had with XBL was the inability to have thier own DRM. Of course people also let sony screw them on the calling-home DRM silliness. Fact is that XBOX live is a better platform for updating .. and yes the Partner Portal is kinda sucktactic .... .... but at least it still up. If you knew ANYTHING about the PSN back-end and how one connects with it .. well you probably would block it at your firewall. so .. well i am not terribly surprised that it doesn't make a lot of sense to you. I love my PS3 ... i never use PSN because its terrible but .. many of the games are awesome and even thought the updating scheme is TERRI-BAD ...
Phigmeta	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:43:00 - [442] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Xenuria PSN is going to be DIRECTLY linked to the TranQ Servers. Of course it will, otherwise it would be hard to log in, wouldn't it? Quote: That means a 1-1 Sharing of ALL information that eve players have. No, it does not. Actually had they gone with and XBL based system .. direct linking would have not been necessary .. but w/e But then again ... we don't really know $hit all do we Tippia ... we are all just popping off our months without any real knowledge of the games industry and we have never even touched a dev kit now have we.... .... well at least one of us hasn't BTW ... redmond is nice this time of year :)
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:48:00 - [443] Originally by: Phigmeta Actually had they gone with and XBL based system .. direct linking would have not been necessary .. but w/e And I'm sure we'd all love signing into GFWL to access our Eve accounts. Originally by: Phigmeta BTW ... redmond is nice this time of year :) This I will agree with.
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.06.09 22:51:00 - [444] Wow, 15 pages of window licking idiots? This has got to be the biggest collection of pants on head, tin foil hat based idiocy these forums have seen in quite some time.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.09 23:18:00 - [445] Originally by: Phigmeta Actually had they gone with and XBL based system .. direct linking would have not been necessary .. but w/e It's not strictly necessary with PSN either, but then again, I still believe that reporter didn't really understand the topicà Quote: But then again ... we don't really know $hit all do we Tippia ... we are all just popping off our months without any real knowledge of the games industry and we have never even touched a dev kit now have we.... .... well at least one of us hasn't Sure, but you can't be too mad at Xenuria for that. It's having a hard time with basic maths, so software development is way off for nowà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Nerrollus Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.09 23:40:00 - [446] Originally by: Herping yourDerp really... PS3? why would you do that.... well not buying a ps3 for dust, no matter how good it is. also why was it in OXM magazine years back Because the PS3 is a better console and PSN offers better options for CCP?
Altus Morningstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.10 00:19:00 - [447] Originally by: Mspaine Originally by: Altus Morningstar DUST will be an interesting experiment that will fail unfortunately. I actually do have a PS3 and as much as I want to say I'll join in the fun I cannot stomach playing shooters on consoles. The experience is inferior by comparison. I get what CCP is trying to do by bringing in new console blood $$$ but in a market completely saturated with console shooters (most of which suck) DUST will be an "also ran" title. The only way CCP will pull this out of the fire for a long term investment is if they treat the game like EVE. PC centric, solid depth, top of the line graphics and fully integrated with EVE proper. Yes, I want to fly a drop ship over a planet, launch a few mercs at the surface and use them to run around blasting people with a lot of death. Would you play it if CCP enabled the keyboard and mouse support freely avaliable with the PS3 (All games can be played with the keyboard and mouse on PS3 - its up to the game developers wether they want to use this feature or no - so far only 1 game has done this)? Ie - Then its as simple as getting a 22" LCD TV with HDMI and a DVI port- replacing that as you're main monitor - moving the PS3 to sit alongside you're PC. Press a button on the monitor so it switches to HDMI - plugin keyboard and mouse - off you go. (I think alot of players decision to buy Dust will be influenced by CCP's decision on this) IF CCP allow for the keyboard and mouse thing I might consider it. Might. Folks always say to vote with your wallet. Basically I'd be torn. I have my PS3 for a few games, mostly driving oriented but mostly enjoy it. That said I despise fps on consoles. The controls are utter garbage,the graphics are sub par and the game will never, ever reach a depth of play that EVE has. The only thing DUST has going for it is that it's riding the coat tails of EVE. So ... I'm on the fence between playing (if the controls aren't controller based) or not playing and saying "F DUST until it comes out on the PC". Ultimately I want to see DUST fully integrated in EVE as a single client which it will never be which is a crying same. CCP wants a single uninterrupted universe. What do they do? They shard it .. sort of. The end is extremely f'ing nigh.
Speaker4 theDead	Posted - 2011.06.10 00:28:00 - [448] IF Dust is plagued by the same issues we suffer in Eve, I think it will have a much more chilling effect. FPS'ers may not tolerate the kind of service we get here, so it will be interesting to see...
REiiGN15 Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.10 00:40:00 - [449] Edited by: REiiGN15 on 10/06/2011 00:46:21 Originally by: Altus Morningstar So ... I'm on the fence between playing (if the controls aren't controller based) or not playing and saying "F DUST until it comes out on the PC". Ultimately I want to see DUST fully integrated in EVE as a single client which it will never be which is a crying same. CCP wants a single uninterrupted universe. What do they do? They shard it .. sort of. Poster:"... To more important issues: Will Dust support Keyboard/Mouse on PS3?" CCP Shadow: "As of when I last inquired about this, the answer was that this is not planned." In all seriousness, its going to be a whole different crowd playing DUST, and by the sound of it you won't be accustomed to. That goes for a lot of you. Just don't bother with DUST, it will have its own thing going. Especially, if you live in low or hisec, don't even give DUST a thought at all. ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.
Altus Morningstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.10 00:51:00 - [450] Originally by: REiiGN15 Originally by: Altus Morningstar So ... I'm on the fence between playing (if the controls aren't controller based) or not playing and saying "F DUST until it comes out on the PC". Ultimately I want to see DUST fully integrated in EVE as a single client which it will never be which is a crying same. CCP wants a single uninterrupted universe. What do they do? They shard it .. sort of. How about you rack yourself on the fence and fall on the EVE side. Play EVE because you seem to be whining too much about this. DUST needs mercs, not keybo/mouse whiners. In all seriousness, its going to be a whole different crowd playing DUST, and by the sound of it you won't be accustomed to. That goes for a lot of you. Just don't bother with DUST, it will have its own thing going. Especially, if you live in low or hisec, don't even give DUST a thought at all. Actually I've been playing less EVE due to taking a break and more shooters. TF2 and BC2 at the moment. Hell I can't wait for BF3 to come out but that sometime next year. I'm more about the shooters than I am any other game type. I might even consider checking it out if they manage to do ONE thing to cater to the PC crowd. Allow us to use our interface of choice. Oh and as far as players? DUST needs players ... hardcore, long time players ... kinda like the EVE crowd. Integrate it into the game and the EVE players will be more than likely to jump in and enjoy it (hell even pay for it) instead of this split market nonsense between PS3 and XBox. The end is extremely f'ing nigh.

Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.06.10 01:00:00 - [451] Edited by: Zeko Rena on 10/06/2011 01:02:01 PS3 exclusive is a bit of a shame, i have been playing EVE since mid 2004 (even had a go in beta) and was always wishing for somthing like Dust 514. I own both consoles and a decent pc, and of the three i have found the PS3 the worst for shooters (due to its lanky controller) I think you can buy a keyboard and mouse for PS3? But even if you can knowing the console market you will have to buy a specific PS3 keyboard and mouse for it to work, and i don't want to have to buy a game and then two more items to enjoy playing it. Not saying i WONT get it, have to see how news goes over the next few months leading upto its release but limiting it to one console has put me off quite a lot, especially since the controller is terrible for shooters. Althought that is just my opinion some people may find the PS3 controller amazing for shooters :) EDIT: Oh yea the other worrying thing is the security of PSN, even though its all back up now, still a worry, not only for the security side, but also it was down for a long time --------------------------
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.10 01:05:00 - [452] Originally by: Zeko Rena I think you can buy a keyboard and mouse for PS3? Yes. Quote: But even if you can knowing the console market you will have to buy a specific PS3 keyboard and mouse for it to work, and i don't want to have to buy a game and then two more items to enjoy playing it. No. It supports any HID-compliant mouse and keyboard. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2011.06.10 01:10:00 - [453] Edited by: Thorradin on 10/06/2011 01:12:23 not worth pointing out bad trolling.
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2011.06.10 01:13:00 - [454] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Zeko Rena I think you can buy a keyboard and mouse for PS3? Yes. Quote: But even if you can knowing the console market you will have to buy a specific PS3 keyboard and mouse for it to work, and i don't want to have to buy a game and then two more items to enjoy playing it. No. It supports any HID-compliant mouse and keyboard. Oh okay, nice, thanks Tippia, that makes it less of an issue. Only problem now is that PS3 is hooked upto the TV as i mostly use it as a Blu-Ray player, and the coffee table just won't work well for a keyboard and mouse. God now i need a 2nd PS3 too hook up to my PC screen so i can multi task between the two --------------------------
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.10 01:15:00 - [455] Originally by: Zeko Rena Oh okay, nice, thanks Tippia, that makes it less of an issue. Only problem now is that PS3 is hooked upto the TV as i mostly use it as a Blu-Ray player, and the coffee table just won't work well for a keyboard and mouse. God now i need a 2nd PS3 too hook up to my PC screen so i can multi task between the two àthat said, I do recall seeing PS3-branded keyboards for outrageous prices, so you can bet they're trying to get that juicy fanboy cash. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.10 03:25:00 - [456] For the record Tippia I have yet to lose a single Guardian Vexor with that fit. It is gank proof in more ways then one. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.10 03:28:00 - [457] Edited by: Tippia on 10/06/2011 03:28:44 Originally by: Xenuria For the record Tippia I have yet to lose a single Guardian Vexor with that fit. That's because you don't own any. It isn't gankproof in any sense of the word. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jos Wijnants	Posted - 2011.06.10 07:15:00 - [458] miss the times that pc-players and mostly the 360-players flaming eachohter about a console-exclusive game.
Kalen C'Fean	Posted - 2011.06.10 20:13:00 - [459] Originally by: Phigmeta Your confusing "easy to develop" with "easy to Code badly" When it comes to insecure and badly thought thru coding ... yeah sony wins in that category every-time. No, I'm taking your words and summarizing them - which was that coding such a game as Dust 514 is easier and more straightforward on the PS3 than on the 360, which you now seem to be trying to imply is not the case, without actually saying that. This leads me to conclude that it is, in fact, the case, but you don't want to admit that CCP are correct. Quote: The question of who is at fault is easy .... CCP made the choice to go exclusive on a system that is LESS CAPABLE of providing a secure and an all around better expericance for the end user .... so what ? they can basicly sell thier own IGC Yeah i blame CCP for putting their greed above the satisfaction of their customers. Doesn't make CCP liable ... just means that it will end in failure. As I already pointed out, CCP is asking for no monthly subscription, and there are also reports that Dust will be completely free to download. So, apparantly, wanting to make any kind of money at all from Dust is 'greed'. CCP is actually a business, you know, not a charity. Quote: Lets see .. where to start? Valve's Executive staff are crooks ... and anyone who lives around here knows that. I will remind you that Valve doesn't like XBL for one reason and one reason only Steam. Your talking about a corp that built Steam to turn their best game into episodes ... then after they got a bunch of money for it basically screwed the franchise and concentrated on different IP. All while providing an "XBL-like experiance for PC" and then complaining about XBL the entire time. Frankly, Steam is what Windows Live should have been - and utterly, completely and totally failed to be. So, maybe you are correct to say that Valve wanted to give an 'XBL-like experience for PC' (which, personally, I rather doubt, but it is within the realms of possibility). If they did, their effort was an astonishingly large amount better than the effort of the people who actually invented XBL. Quote: OH and BTW .. steam is really just glorified DRM in case ya didn't know. The main issue they had with XBL was the inability to have thier own DRM. Read up on Steam for PS3. Quote: Of course people also let sony screw them on the calling-home DRM silliness. You're getting your DRM confused. Sony Music is the one that decided to put rootkits on some CDs as DRM, and it was Sony Computer Entertainment that caused a bit of a kerfluffle with putting out a PS3 update that removed the ability to install Linux. It is others that have a 'phone home' DRM - you know, like the activation in Windows. Quote: Fact is that XBOX live is a better platform for updating .. and yes the Partner Portal is kinda sucktactic .... .... but at least it still up. Well, speaking personally, the recent events are the first time I've had any major problem with PSN for my PS3. Sony apologised to me, as part of their user base, by giving me free stuff for an interruption in their free service when it came back online - which it actually is, contrary to what you seem to think. In Microsoft's paid online service for my 360, I have never been given free stuff as an apology for not being able to use it. Quote: If you knew ANYTHING about the PSN back-end and how one connects with it .. well you probably would block it at your firewall. so .. well i am not terribly surprised that it doesn't make a lot of sense to you. I love my PS3 ... i never use PSN because its terrible but .. many of the games are awesome and even thought the updating scheme is TERRI-BAD ... Here's something that doesn't seem to have occurred to you - whether the PSN's security is good, bad or indifferent, maybe the openness of the PSN way of doing things allows CCP to take charge of Dust's security themselves.
Kalen C'Fean	Posted - 2011.06.10 20:44:00 - [460] Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 10/06/2011 01:02:01 PS3 exclusive is a bit of a shame, i have been playing EVE since mid 2004 (even had a go in beta) and was always wishing for somthing like Dust 514. I own both consoles and a decent pc, and of the three i have found the PS3 the worst for shooters (due to its lanky controller) I think you can buy a keyboard and mouse for PS3? But even if you can knowing the console market you will have to buy a specific PS3 keyboard and mouse for it to work, and i don't want to have to buy a game and then two more items to enjoy playing it. You're thinking of Microsoft. They are very guilty of taking a fairly standard item, then altering it in some way for their console, so you have to buy a Microsoft-specific one as a replacement/upgrade. The PS3 will accept most USB keyboards and mice, and many Blutooth wireless ones as well. However, most FPS games don't support a keyboard and mouse, and it looks like Dust might be one that also doesn't. Quote: Not saying i WONT get it, have to see how news goes over the next few months leading upto its release but limiting it to one console has put me off quite a lot, especially since the controller is terrible for shooters. Althought that is just my opinion some people may find the PS3 controller amazing for shooters :) Well, if you're more comfortable with a 360 controller, if you search around, there are a few third-party controllers that are for the PS3, but look, function and feel like a 360 one, and I also believe you can get adaptors that make actual 360 pads work as well. I can't tell you how good or bad they are, though - personally, I like the PS3 pad just as much as the 360 one.

Rey Bahn	Posted - 2011.06.10 22:41:00 - [461] This might have some relevance to part of the discussion in this thread. EPIC Games just got hacked - http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/epic-games-website-and-forums-/1221763?page=1 And Codemasters too - http://www.develop-online.net/news/37993/Thousands-affected-in-Codemasters-data-hack A majority of responses here have alluded to PSN security and this demonstrates how vulnerable these systems can be.
Xenuria Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.11 02:00:00 - [462] Originally by: Rey Bahn This might have some relevance to part of the discussion in this thread. EPIC Games just got hacked - http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/epic-games-website-and-forums-/1221763?page=1 And Codemasters too - http://www.develop-online.net/news/37993/Thousands-affected-in-Codemasters-data-hack A majority of responses here have alluded to PSN security and this demonstrates how vulnerable these systems can be. Nice... Anonymous The World Leader in Forced Penetration Testing! "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.11 02:44:00 - [463] Originally by: Xenuria Originally by: Rey Bahn This might have some relevance to part of the discussion in this thread. EPIC Games just got hacked - http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/epic-games-website-and-forums-/1221763?page=1 And Codemasters too - http://www.develop-online.net/news/37993/Thousands-affected-in-Codemasters-data-hack A majority of responses here have alluded to PSN security and this demonstrates how vulnerable these systems can be. Nice... Anonymous The World Leader in Forced Penetration Testing! R*ape jokes, a special low for special idiots...
Alpha Wolfgang Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.11 07:21:00 - [464] Edited by: Alpha Wolfgang on 11/06/2011 07:23:14 CCP are true capsuleers... i have my tinfoil hat on right now, so here it goes. CCP makes an mmo, which gains popularity. they acquire the resources to start making their first weapon against an opposing corporation, microsoft. that weapon is dust 514, which if all goes as planned turns out exceptionally successful and microsoft takes note of that success and opens up xbox live to work with mmo companies later on. ccp makes another dust, or ports it to xbox and makes a killing in sales and advertisements. but that is not the mission... the mission was to open up xbox live so ccp (hired by CCCP) can hack into the bank accounts of millions of microsoft customers and steal their cash! most of eve is about corporate warfare, and what better way to hide in the open than to make an MMO about corporate warfare with very modern'esque factions and empires 0_o. if thats true please dont kill me, im looking for work ;) -remove tinfoil hats- i wish dust would have came to 360... my xbox broke last year and i quit xbox for a while and didnt renew my subscription to xbox live. then i see more info about Dust 514 and that it will be coming to xbox, so i go out and buy ANOTHER XBOX (from a friend) and get another year of xbox live. just the other day i seen that dust is PS3 EXCLUSIVE.... i shat bricks and ate several hundred ants around the house in anger... along with rants on facebook that no one knew what i was talking about. to sum it up, -1 dust player. for shame, i am very good at bad company 2, i would love to buy myself a bunch of shiny stuff on eve and ship it to myself on xbl. i can rant about this all night but i wont. eats another ant
Ehdward	Posted - 2011.06.11 11:06:00 - [465] Best selling console is the Nintendo DS. Why no DS version? GOD, CCP IS SO DUMB!
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.11 11:22:00 - [466] Originally by: Captain Davison Yeah, um, HELL NO. Not before the fiasco of the past several months, and especially not after. This a thousand times. Sony makes horrible products and rips off their customers with substandard services. How substandard? Failing to implement a fix on a known vulnerability for several months substandard. Failing to notify their customers of the compromise for days after it occurred (no doubt trying to find out if they could avoid telling the public at all). Failing to take responsibility for their lackadaisical system security (instead, lets just blame the hackers who were DDOS'ing us, get them investigated, and allow the real criminals to get away Scott free to steal some more). Blowing off Congressional hearings (Yeah I know, the hearings are a joke, but still bad form not to show up). I stopped buying Sony a looooong time ago. I had a good reason then (products are crap), and have an even better reason now (the games division of Sony is a burning, sinking ship, and the products are crap). I like the idea of DUST514, and even didn't mind it being consol, but only PS3? Man, good luck with that CCP, good luck with that. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________ Huh?
StrykerZan	Posted - 2011.06.11 15:29:00 - [467] I'm looking forward to the future information you guys release about Dust. If all goes well I'll be picking up a PS3 for the FPS. Thanks for your time and obvious patience CCP
Valantharia	Posted - 2011.06.11 21:28:00 - [468] PS3 exclusivity saddens me.
Vasela Draxdon	Posted - 2011.06.20 18:25:00 - [469] Work out a deal with microsoft guys, if its involves some form of subscription to sort out more comprehensive cross platform access that wouldnt be the end of the world, the community on the whole will pay if they have to, they already pay for eve because they love it lol. PS3 only will damage the games accessibility for the vast majority of the player base, dust is just a title to sony, to the eve community its an extension of their online lives. No xbox and NO PC! this is a huge mistake that will condem dust to being just another 3rd rate bargain bin pickup, not to mention wrecking poeples faith in CCP as a company that listens to and cares about its customers. Still have faith guys x
Dimitri Fukoyama	Posted - 2011.06.20 18:38:00 - [470] Eve-on-planets is something that eve players have been wanting for a long time. Thats like patching walking in stations on PS3 exclusively... Although they never promised it like walking in stations, its still sort of the same thing.

Bullyboutya Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.20 18:46:00 - [471] I'm a newb in EVE been playing just for one week. I've been gaming for 30 years and EVE is by far the best game I've ever played. I come from an era of lines and dots for video games. The concept of Dust is the reason why I got EVE. I own a PS3 I heard about EVE from a FPS forum called MAG(Which has the same concept as Dust) except the Dev for MAG was too poor to follow thru on the vision they had. This is where CCP/Sony stepped in CCP is taking the baton from the Dev of MAG and making it better. What you don't realize is that there is a huge!!!!!!! market for FPS team based objective games that require you to think. The players that will be playing dust will be your hardcore FPS team-based/Objective players. Which will be older players like myself. I do not play FPS games MAG was my first and Dust will be my 2nd. CCP is calling Dust the thinking mans shooter kids do not want to think. Do not sleep on the Dust players I know of a lot I mean a lot of folks drooling to get in the dust Beta. Xbox 360 can't handle what the PS3 does hardware and memory wise. The point is doesn't matter what console it's on it's who are the type of players that you will attract. Xbox is known for shooters that don't require you to think. CCP and Sony is very smart there is a huugeeeeeeee market for the Concept Dust and MAG have. Seeing what CCP have done for EVE there is no doubt in my mind that Dust will receive the same type of treatment. As a man who have been gaming since 1980 Console and PC players being able to play together is the future of gaming and I'm all in for innovation :)
Gutuie	Posted - 2011.06.20 18:52:00 - [472] Edited by: Gutuie on 20/06/2011 18:53:26 basically Dust is only a shooter, there are so many in the market, they try to make like something special it was and will be a shooter ppl will get bored of him before many of us will get bored of eve. so if u want to buy a ps3 for that i think is better to chose other shooter from market it will be cheeper all the pr/marketing they are doing and some interconnection with eve i think is only feature of a feature of a... in the big CCP style My point is Dust will be a fail game who will eat a lot of money and resources but with possibility to chat with eve players
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2011.06.20 19:04:00 - [473] Dust? Isn't that that shooter thingy? Good thing i'm never gonna play that, i want internet spaceships not fps so they can run it on a c64 for all i care ________________________________________________
Allan Terabyte	Posted - 2011.06.20 23:16:00 - [474] I have been looking forward to Dust 514 since the day it was announced a few years back. Being a PS3 exclusive really disappointed me since I don't own a PS3. I'm a PC gamer and loved the look and feel of Dust 514 and it made me remember all those fun times I had on Battlefield 2142. I also own a Xbox 360 but the main reason I bought it was that it had a larger selection of exclusive games and the simple fact I already own a Blu-ray player. Not to mention console gaming in general is a lot more comfortable than sitting at your computer, but computer games always look better than their console variations. Where am I going with this? I don't know, all I know is that I am seriously considering buying a PS3 just to play Dust 514, that's how much I love the EVE universe and CCP. On that note CCP I implore you to make DUST 514 also for the PC and not just the PS3.


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