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Iyuvai Myoisi
Minmatar
Calx Holding
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:23:00 -
[301]
 Originally by: Tla Atij
It is authentic, so far? 
It is real, so far? 
Put down the propaganda machine and take a course in logic.
If I was working for other MMOs' PR dep. I'd make a PDF like this too. "Authentic so far" doesn't cut it.
Other MMOs PR departments? Seriously? Do you actually think that Eve is enough of a threat to any other MMO to warrant this sort of effort?
Really?
Really?
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:23:00 -
[302]
I knew it, this is how cash shops start. Vanity only stuff, promises it won't impact game play... Then they slowly turn on their word and things go downhill.
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Ysolde Xen
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:23:00 -
[303]
For what it's worth, I have had confirmation from a reliable source that the .pdf is not a fake.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:24:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Ysolde Xen
For what it's worth, I have had confirmation from a reliable source that the .pdf is not a fake.
The only question that we really need answered is the TIMELINE.
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:24:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Skogen Gump
Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Quote:
"However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you."
That there shows that CCP clearly sees the EVE community as a way to get money, not as a loyal customer base that should be respected.
This just in, CCP is a company ...
sheesh.
Companies need to treat their customers well and not squeeze them for all they're worth. Otherwise those customers leave. Unless they've given us EVE mind-altering drugs that keep us addicted to this..... 
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:25:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Hesperius
BUT, that is CCP Soundwave talking liberally in a company news letter. Even the way it is structured, it sounds like he has some fighting internally to do to even get to bring it in front of us. I really don't care what they do with dust and wod, and outside of showing their hand of viewing us as numbers they can use and abuse more than customers, there is nothing that revealing in that document.
The only thing that it reveals - to me - is that CCP's focus has shifted from making a game (as small "indie" game companies tend to do) to making money through any possible means. The rushing out of CQ so that they can **** out a half finished MT store sooner really just underscores the point.
/shrug
-Liang
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Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
On Twitter
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:26:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Originally by: Skogen Gump
Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Quote:
"However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you."
That there shows that CCP clearly sees the EVE community as a way to get money, not as a loyal customer base that should be respected.
This just in, CCP is a company ...
sheesh.
Companies need to treat their customers well and not squeeze them for all they're worth. Otherwise those customers leave. Unless they've given us EVE mind-altering drugs that keep us addicted to this.....
It's in the Quafe Ultra they gave us!
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:26:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Originally by: Skogen Gump
Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Quote:
"However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you."
That there shows that CCP clearly sees the EVE community as a way to get money, not as a loyal customer base that should be respected.
This just in, CCP is a company ...
sheesh.
Companies need to treat their customers well and not squeeze them for all they're worth. Otherwise those customers leave. Unless they've given us EVE mind-altering drugs that keep us addicted to this.....
Sure companies may be feeling the pinch in a recession, but so are the customers. And you do NOT want to lose customers during a recession, you want to hold onto what you have, not MILK IT DRY, but keep it steady.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:26:00 -
[309]
Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 22/06/2011 23:26:56
Originally by: Hesperius
BUT, that is CCP Soundwave talking liberally in a company news letter. Even the way it is structured, it sounds like he has some fighting internally to do to even get to bring it in front of us. I really don't care what they do with dust and wod, and outside of showing their hand of viewing us as numbers they can use and abuse more than customers, there is nothing that revealing in that document.
Actually, that quote isn't from Soundwave and it's not from an opinion piece. It's written by someone called Scott Holden, in a full-page piece explaining that "CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products" and detailing how "this new strategy [will] unfold in Incarna."
"Vanity only" was a lie from the get-go.
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:27:00 -
[310]
It's interesting that CCP's  hasn't been activated yet.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Ashlyn Shi'jun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:28:00 -
[311]
Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:28:00 -
[312]
ccp have realy shat on there own door step, trod in it then walk through the house with the $99 thing, incarna not pollished and these leaks
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:28:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Black Dranzer on 22/06/2011 23:29:01
Currently listening to "The Green Nebula".
It sounds more mournful than usual.
Originally by: Illwill Bill
It's interesting that CCP's hasn't been activated yet.
Honestly, not even CCP has the hull tank for this.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:28:00 -
[314]
Edited by: Raid''En on 22/06/2011 23:28:57
Originally by: Miilla
So we are funding games we probably will not play.
That is reason right there to not support MT.
Ofcourse they WILL increase subs to compensate.
Either way, CCP will lose revenue in the short term.
Does this also mean that the price for eve will drop once these other games are "self funding?"
I doubt it.
well you realize they don't have much choice to fund these others games right ?
when we had tyrannis or incusion, which were mostly pve oriented it was done with both the money of pve and pvp players. sure some raged about this, but it's normal.
it's normal that a game company try to get more money for this others projects.
the problem is not here. i'll either quote them xD :
Originally by: Greed is good
The question of virtual goods sales is not ôto do, or not to do?ö Rather, itÆs ôhow do we do this?ö
and they have totally ****ed their answer here ^^
at 10 aurum everyone and their mother would have bough some bulk.
at 100 aurum the monocle and others clothes, maybe more than half of eve would have bough it.
at 1000 aurum a few guys would have done it, lots would have raged, but would have not made a scandal.
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Wintz
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:29:00 -
[315]
TL;DR
MT squeezes are quite disrespectful.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:29:00 -
[316]
How about we get paid to play your game CCP?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:30:00 -
[317]
CCP DID 911
**** YOU CCP.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Tejal Charu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:30:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun
Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.
So you are going to buy some EVE ammunition and guns with perks too? How about a ship with default 200k shield HP for the low price of Ç99.99! |
Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:31:00 -
[319]
Consumable goods raise a unique
problem. In EVE today, once a player
buys a blueprint original (BPO)
or a new skill, that asset or benefit
cannot really be taken away; the
asset neither depreciates in value
nor degrades. Destroyed ships
and modules must be replaced,
though, and we want to ensure
that the market for most virtual
purchases is similarly renewable.
And in cases where a virtual item
or service is perpetual or unchanging,
such as with avatar recustomization,
for example, we will most
likely levy a small brokerÆs fee or
tax on the sale.
This is the gravy train in full effect - sell em something but make sure they don't have it for long so they'll have to buy more. Just not very nice.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:31:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun
Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.
You need a reality check girl/boy. There is no conspiracy, CCP is managing very well by its own, sadly.
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Republica Winder
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:31:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Bologna Brains
CCP hasnt denied it in 10 pages, and something like this, if easily fake, would be denied by CCP quickly.
They can't deny it because it's true.
This document honestly indicates that there are serious INTERNAL problems at CCP. It reads like a sales brochure that is trying to sell their own employees on this "bold new direction" into killing the sandbox of EVE by placing tollbooths everywhere an eye can see.
I think that it was written because there is a lot of dissension in the ranks, much as we found out later there was on the Star Wars Galaxies Dev team when SOE ordered them to ditch the sandbox and do the NGE.
Just as happened then, with SOE, I expect this "bold new direction" is going to cause a brain drain at CCP. Their top talent is going to leave as quickly as they can get new jobs. And why not, they have people who could work for anyone, who could probably command much higher salaries working for other publishers, some of the best talent THERE IS, who probably stayed on that frigid little island because they loved their job, and EVE and CCP were different from everyone else, cooler than everyone else.
Now CCP is just another publisher looking to suck the maximum amount of cash out of their customer's wallets for a minimal amount of effort. Everything that made CCP respectable is now gone, perhaps irreparably.
Indeed, DEFINITELY irreparably. They saw our reaction when all this was proposed. They ignored us. They see our reactions now. $60 for monocle? REALLY? How is that NOT pure greed?
About the only thing that is going to save this game at this point is an announcement TOMORROW that they realize this was a terrible idea, Aurum is being dropped and everyone who bought any is having their money refunded, and all the cash shop items are going to be seeded in game as blueprints, along with a promise to NEVER do something like this again.
They won't do it. They are too busy spending all that extra money they are never going to get to see what is happening.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:31:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Hesperius
BUT, that is CCP Soundwave talking liberally in a company news letter. Even the way it is structured, it sounds like he has some fighting internally to do to even get to bring it in front of us. I really don't care what they do with dust and wod, and outside of showing their hand of viewing us as numbers they can use and abuse more than customers, there is nothing that revealing in that document.
The only thing that it reveals - to me - is that CCP's focus has shifted from making a game (as small "indie" game companies tend to do) to making money through any possible means. The rushing out of CQ so that they can **** out a half finished MT store sooner really just underscores the point.
/shrug
-Liang
The drama of course comes from the years-old community-developer relationship that has been eroding faster and faster in recent years. EVE was always sold to its community and constructed as something different than other MMOs that did not have to follow the same model. CCP had done a lot of things right -- GTC/PLEX system and their take on scamming as a couple of examples -- and this was all part of the EVE experience. A community with heavy interaction with its developers, doing things that no other MMO would dare to, because CCP could make a great game, be financially stable, and experiment risk-free.
This went to hell when CCP lost that vision, grew too fast, became unable to manage itself, and bloated itself with too many projects and people at once. The train is heading for a cliff, and recent events are just a sign that more and more people are noticing the destination.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:32:00 -
[323]
All I can say is, I bask in the Chaos of this Fail
---Archipelago Theory---
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Cailais
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:32:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun
Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.
Lets be quite clear here - no one here entitled their internal marketing review document
"GREED IS GOOD"
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Tla Atij
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:32:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Tejal Charu
Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun
Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.
So you are going to buy some EVE ammunition and guns with perks too? How about a ship with default 200k shield HP for the low price of Ç99.99!
I want to blow up your Ç99.99. Yes CCP DO IT!
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Satallius
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:32:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Ysolde Xen
For what it's worth, I have had confirmation from a reliable source that the .pdf is not a fake.
The only question that we really need answered is the TIMELINE.
Well it contains a joke which references Navy seals burying people at sea, no doubt a reference to the US finally killing Osama Bin Laden, so it was created after May 2nd, the day that event happened.
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Wintz
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:33:00 -
[327]
inb4 CCP Devs play Spiral knights and get the idea to charge Aurum for gate activations.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:33:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Bologna Brains
CCP hasnt denied it in 10 pages, and something like this, if easily fake, would be denied by CCP quickly.
They can't deny it because it's true.
This document honestly indicates that there are serious INTERNAL problems at CCP. It reads like a sales brochure that is trying to sell their own employees on this "bold new direction" into killing the sandbox of EVE by placing tollbooths everywhere an eye can see.
I think that it was written because there is a lot of dissension in the ranks, much as we found out later there was on the Star Wars Galaxies Dev team when SOE ordered them to ditch the sandbox and do the NGE.
Just as happened then, with SOE, I expect this "bold new direction" is going to cause a brain drain at CCP. Their top talent is going to leave as quickly as they can get new jobs. And why not, they have people who could work for anyone, who could probably command much higher salaries working for other publishers, some of the best talent THERE IS, who probably stayed on that frigid little island because they loved their job, and EVE and CCP were different from everyone else, cooler than everyone else.
Now CCP is just another publisher looking to suck the maximum amount of cash out of their customer's wallets for a minimal amount of effort. Everything that made CCP respectable is now gone, perhaps irreparably.
Indeed, DEFINITELY irreparably. They saw our reaction when all this was proposed. They ignored us. They see our reactions now. $60 for monocle? REALLY? How is that NOT pure greed?
About the only thing that is going to save this game at this point is an announcement TOMORROW that they realize this was a terrible idea, Aurum is being dropped and everyone who bought any is having their money refunded, and all the cash shop items are going to be seeded in game as blueprints, along with a promise to NEVER do something like this again.
They won't do it. They are too busy spending all that extra money they are never going to get to see what is happening.
Nice post.
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Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:33:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun
Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.
Ahahahahaha *cough* *cough* ... Oh, you're serious? Get a grip, EVE has no competition in this niche.
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:34:00 -
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