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Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:01:00 - [391] Originally by: Lord Fargo Can't see what the fuss is all about, get a real life job so you can pay for all of this, simply put, put up or shut up It's not about the money, it's about this 'new' CCP that is so focused on trying to getting our money. A CCP that thinks selling vanity items and adding eyecandy deserves more attention then fixing bugs and adding actual content. A CCP that could come up with an embarrassing expansion like Incarna without ever really listening to the concerns of the community. Al we heard from CCP the last few weeks on AT was how 'great' Incarna was going to be, yet they are completely blown away by the negative response. This shows how much devs like Soundwave and Zinfandel are disconnected from the community and thus the direction the game SHOULD take. A game like EVE simply does not exist without it's community, yet the current leading devs seem to think all they need from us is our money.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:02:00 - [392] Originally by: Olleybear Considering CCP are watching this thread, I figured I'd put in a comment or two. Very first thing I want to say: I love you guys, I love Eve, and through all the ups and downs I've enjoyed my time in Eve. Hell, I even laughed at the cost of the vanity items you've introduced to fleece the rich and not too bright. The money I have spent on Eve so far over nearly 7 years has been worth the ride. Now, saying all that, if you at CCP implement any real money transactions that give players abilities/advantages over other players in game, you are going to break Eve. I will not stick around while you destroy something I love. The CSM has already told you their view on microtransactions and the player bases view. We are currently telling you yet again what our view on microtransactions are. No in-game advantage due to real money. This includes Dust514 that you plan on integrating into our Eve universe. Do I need to scream that into your ears untill they bleed? You business guys at CCP who think you are so much smarter than the player base had better read all of these negative replies the Eve community are giving you. This is another turning point for the game fellas. Put simply, you are very close to losing it all on your bet that the players will stay. No in-game advantage due to real money in both Eve and Dust514 because Dust is going to have an effect on Eve. Are your ears bleeding yet? No Faction pos for real money, no special ammo for real money, no 1 day old superheros that can go around ganking 7 year vets because they spent $1000 to do so. Are we making ourselves clear? Or do we have to strip you naked and beat you with a sack of pickles before you start hearing us? The overwhelming reality for us as players who do not want game-changing MT, is that CCP counts it's subscriber base in 10K's while many other games count in the millions. Don't get defensive, but by sheer numbers comparison, EvE is not that popular (a fact that most of us like). CCP can make a lot more money by doing all the marketable things that other games do. They can lose all current players, and still make increasing profits by attracting fans from LOTRO, WoW, Guild Wars, KotOR, StarTrek Online, and whatever else. Bottom line: their game design so far has attracted players in the 10Ks; to take a bigger market share, they need to change their model to accommodate the market research. It's business, pure and simple. <visions of Ebenezer Scrooge>
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:03:00 - [393] Originally by: Miilla I pay yearly by CC. I have 20b worth of PLEX, I shall now start paying by PLEX, monthly just incase once the 150days runs out. I will let some other idiot pay my way. As long as you are playing you are helping to keep the game alive.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:03:00 - [394] Originally by: Urgg Boolean Originally by: Olleybear Considering CCP are watching this thread, I figured I'd put in a comment or two. Very first thing I want to say: I love you guys, I love Eve, and through all the ups and downs I've enjoyed my time in Eve. Hell, I even laughed at the cost of the vanity items you've introduced to fleece the rich and not too bright. The money I have spent on Eve so far over nearly 7 years has been worth the ride. Now, saying all that, if you at CCP implement any real money transactions that give players abilities/advantages over other players in game, you are going to break Eve. I will not stick around while you destroy something I love. The CSM has already told you their view on microtransactions and the player bases view. We are currently telling you yet again what our view on microtransactions are. No in-game advantage due to real money. This includes Dust514 that you plan on integrating into our Eve universe. Do I need to scream that into your ears untill they bleed? You business guys at CCP who think you are so much smarter than the player base had better read all of these negative replies the Eve community are giving you. This is another turning point for the game fellas. Put simply, you are very close to losing it all on your bet that the players will stay. No in-game advantage due to real money in both Eve and Dust514 because Dust is going to have an effect on Eve. Are your ears bleeding yet? No Faction pos for real money, no special ammo for real money, no 1 day old superheros that can go around ganking 7 year vets because they spent $1000 to do so. Are we making ourselves clear? Or do we have to strip you naked and beat you with a sack of pickles before you start hearing us? The overwhelming reality for us as players who do not want game-changing MT, is that CCP counts it's subscriber base in 10K's while many other games count in the millions. Don't get defensive, but by sheer numbers comparison, EvE is not that popular (a fact that most of us like). CCP can make a lot more money by doing all the marketable things that other games do. They can lose all current players, and still make increasing profits by attracting fans from LOTRO, WoW, Guild Wars, KotOR, StarTrek Online, and whatever else. Bottom line: their game design so far has attracted players in the 10Ks; to take a bigger market share, they need to change their model to accommodate the market research. It's business, pure and simple. <visions of Ebenezer Scrooge> For eve not being popular, it seems to be 1) funding Eve, 2) funding WoD and 3) funding Dust. But 2) WoD - is a HUGE revenue generator, far more potentially than EVE can ever dream of.
Caladan Broood	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:03:00 - [395] So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:05:00 - [396] Originally by: Xervish Krin I think CCP overheated their Damage Control II and burnt it out. Not even possible in game, but they goddamn found a way. 350,000 subscribers have a nasty habit of turning into 35,000, then 3,500 in a hurry over moves like this... That is what happened quickly after the NGE. A former SWG Dev I communicated with later told me that they lost over 100,000 subscribers THE FIRST WEEK. I remember the account servers pretty much lagged out when you tried to cancel back then too.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:05:00 - [397] Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. Space is black, how many shades of brown make black? I'm pretty sure you don't need the graphics hardware demands of Incarna to display them all.
Col Howitzer	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:05:00 - [398] Edited by: Col Howitzer on 23/06/2011 00:05:37 I guess from my viewpoint Dust Dies with Eve simple as that...WoD - not even interested in it with this document out
RensPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [399] Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. its not gonna matter really. in a few days things will have settled. ccp will keep quiet for a while and then release some half assed blog post where they will downplay stuff and fanboys will go "oh thank you ccp for taking the time and explain why we all suck and you are the glorios masters. when i meet you at fanfest, can i get you blowjob pleaaaaase ?".
Eliniale	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [400] Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. challenge accepted, link the link here :p, and all over new eden, i bet 2/3 of the playerbase would they have to be 'jettisoned'
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [401] You money grabbing bastards.
Nilania Telshua Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [402] Originally by: Isil Rahsen Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 22/06/2011 23:58:13 Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: Xervish Krin Wait, they BANNED Helicity? Confirmed as a genuine leak, then. http://failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=121327#p121327 That is such an unbeliveable incompetent thing to do. I can not even start to comment on it.
Iurnan Mileghere Singularity Foundation	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [403] Originally by: Hesperius Originally by: Miilla I pay yearly by CC. I have 20b worth of PLEX, I shall now start paying by PLEX, monthly just incase once the 150days runs out. I will let some other idiot pay my way. As long as you are playing you are helping to keep the game alive. But we WANT to keep the old game alive. Before the dark times. Before Summer 2010.
Tla Atij	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [404] More hilarity from the document:
LIOZTH Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [405] This article pretty much sums things up (...if completely accurate), and if this is the attitude CCP is going to be taking, I only see a major fail cascade it their future. As it stands I will maintain a "wait and see attitude", but if things don't start looking up soon, me and my hard earned cash are a'walking. I like EvE but it's not the first game I've played, nor the last, there are is always other options and this is something CCP should carefully consider.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [406] Originally by: RensPriceChecker2 Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. its not gonna matter really. in a few days things will have settled. ccp will keep quiet for a while and then release some half assed blog post where they will downplay stuff and fanboys will go "oh thank you ccp for taking the time and explain why we all suck and you are the glorios masters. when i meet you at fanfest, can i get you blowjob pleaaaaase ?". How much AUR do they cost?
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [407] Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. Lol it won't be the first time I'll be on the end of a CCP ban but it will be the last. Haha
Liner Xiandra	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [408] Thread and associated documents marked for full reading tomorrow.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:08:00 - [409] i think ccp must have taken note how there new buddys sony dealt with the psn pr and try to emulate it lol
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:08:00 - [410] Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. Does anyone even care at this point? Why would anyone care about being banned from a game that no longer appeals to them because the publisher has decided that they know what we like more than we do?
Caladan Broood	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:10:00 - [411] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Caladan Broood So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors. Space is black, how many shades of brown make black? I'm pretty sure you don't need the graphics hardware demands of Incarna to display them all. You're on my fav list now.
Eliniale	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:10:00 - [412] the times they are a'changin'
FunzzeR The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:11:00 - [413] MY GODS, WE'RE DOOMED... PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:12:00 - [414] BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH This "leak" is hysterical. I can't believe people actually believe this. It's completely unprofessional, cartoonish, and plays on every EvE bittervets fears and paranoia like harp strings. If you believe this is real, and that this represents CCP opinion, please do the EvE community a favor and just quit the game now. No, not "quit the game" but stay on the forums complaining needlessly as if CCP cares, just quit, walk away, and stop posting. Go find something better to do than whining about a GAME that you've decided is horrible but need to stick around and make worse with your rude, useless, trolling. CCP has said in plain english they ignore ****heads but respond to constructive criticism. .....this is like New Eden's version of the Barack Obama birther phenomena. Complete with fake documents "proving" that CCP is making a greedy money grab. This is rooted in simple emotional outcry, nothing else. Just as the birthers will cry foul no matter what gets posted as evidence, so the naysayers will whine about monocles destroying their spaceship game. Lets be honest, all of you who believe this to be true, will not care if CCP comes out and responds, even though they wont. You wouldn't believe them. Stop demanding it like them saying "not us" is all you need to be convinced.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:12:00 - [415] There are some real idiots at CCP, I wanted to play WOD when it came out, I no longer will consider paying any money for that game either to get it or for any cash shop **. Free to play/download I'll run it and when it is obvious that the game model is to you out of $$ to not look like a dork or spend hours on hours doing that which another *** can pay $ for I'll log out and uninstall. I was thinking of getting a PS3 for DUST514 in a year or so if the vanity items were kept in check in EVE and the not yet finished Dust didn't taint our market with their cash shop . It seems clear now that there is no chance that EVE won't get ed over through DUST and CCP's plans to monetize every aspect of our gameplay and not just through incarna. The idea that players want to spend lots of money on games is pretty stupid. People spend lots of money on real hobbies because they have to, you have to buy the stupid golf clothes, you have to pay for membership to a course or pay a cover charge, you have to pay for this and that. In the end you've actually accomplished something that can't be 'erased' or taken away from you like in a game you don't own. Games are great because you don't have to deal with that , you pay your sub or sale price and are done you already paid for the PC, the OS, Antivirus, firewall, internet etc there aren't extra charges except in free to play hell. Making games more like the real world consumer experience is stupid. I don't want to be nickeled and dimed to death, or in this case $20 and $50 billed to death for that isn't real, I don't own and not having makes me look like a second class 'citizen' in the ing game. Why should I log in to pay for that experience, anyone of us can experience that by putting on a t-shirt and a pair of shorts and showing up to a nice restaurant or the like. There is a place for free to play and there is a place where a sub covers everything. It is better to stick to the one that you built your game around unless it is failing and you've tried a few real changes to fix it. In that case you make the change and hope you don't go out of business. Eve isn't failing and you haven't tried real changes to 'fix' the problem that doesn't exist yet you are grabbing for cash shop revenue. Thank you to the people at CCP who made a good experience with their work and vision and you to those pieces of ** that want to squish out another drop of milk from the cash cow they call eve, sadly some of you are one in the same at different periods in time.
Republica Winder	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:13:00 - [416] Originally by: leth ghost i think ccp must have taken note how there new buddys sony dealt with the psn pr and try to emulate it lol Or John Smedley convinced Hillmar that your customers love you more and spend more money when you do things to their game that they don't want.
Nikki West	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:14:00 - [417] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen I can't believe people actually believe this. It's completely unprofessional, cartoonish, and plays on every EvE bittervets fears and paranoia like harp strings. If you believe this is real, and that this represents CCP opinion, please do the EvE community a favor and just quit the game now. Go buy a monocle ...
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:14:00 - [418] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH This "leak" is hysterical. I can't believe people actually believe this. It's completely unprofessional, cartoonish, and plays on every EvE bittervets fears and paranoia like harp strings. If you believe this is real, and that this represents CCP opinion, please do the EvE community a favor and just quit the game now. No, not "quit the game" but stay on the forums complaining needlessly as if CCP cares, just quit, walk away, and stop posting. Go find something better to do than whining about a GAME that you've decided is horrible but need to stick around and make worse with your rude, useless, trolling. CCP has said in plain english they ignore ****heads but respond to constructive criticism. .....this is like New Eden's version of the Barack Obama birther phenomena. Complete with fake documents "proving" that CCP is making a greedy money grab. This is rooted in simple emotional outcry, nothing else. Just as the birthers will cry foul no matter what gets posted as evidence, so the naysayers will whine about monocles destroying their spaceship game. Lets be honest, all of you who believe this to be true, will not care if CCP comes out and responds, even though they wont. You wouldn't believe them. Stop demanding it like them saying "not us" is all you need to be convinced. So, why the bans?
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:14:00 - [419] Lol http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/22/rumour-leaked-document-shows-ccps-microtransaction-plans/
Manos Heimenbarger	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:14:00 - [420] What concerns me the most is that CCP has not made any reply to these claims... In the aftermath of the mess this latest expansion made, and with the degree of community backlash so far, this couldn't have come out at a worse time for CCP (real or fake). I would think they would have quickly prepared some kind of statement by now.

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