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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:58:00 -
[1471]
HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
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Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:58:00 -
[1472]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
I'd be happy to pay up to $5 more/mo on my subscriptions than have the game completely obliterated by this bull****.
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Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:59:00 -
[1473]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
They arent , even if they are i'am paying them to play eve so i recon they should try to improve the game not invest in other projects loosing money.
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:01:00 -
[1474]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
I would have taken a 50% hike in sub fees to put development of spaceship content back on track. The fact they didn't see this as a viable alternative tells me just how little they know of their customer base.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:01:00 -
[1475]
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
Quoting this just in case Devs miss it. [Petition] Make entry into CQ and Incarna optional. |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:01:00 -
[1476]
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 16:05:31
http://slashdot.org/submission/1669048/Eve-Online-and-60-microtransactions
Expect the forums to get Slashdotted SOONÖ
CCP will probably think it is a LULZSEC DDOS and pull the server lol.
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Lucrezia Romanova
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:03:00 -
[1477]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone.
I agree with Jade.
Yes ladies and gentlemen, you heard that right.
I AGREE WITH JADE.
DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE CCP? WELL DO YOU?
This.. is .. so beautifull.. finally.. star crossed lovers.. *grabsPaperTowel*
Amor victor ! ;)
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Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:03:00 -
[1478]
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine snipsnipsnip
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
snipsnipsnip
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
this is his best? Ill reword it for him
1. Im too stupid to have cargo open when i dock, or double click the ship to open cargo from ships window. oh, and right clicking - activate ship is too hard on my brain
2. Speculation of Doom, wow, the world is ending, just not right now, maybe later
3. Speculation of Doom, 6+ months from now, based on actions that have not happened yet. I am too stupid to comprehend how to use isk to buy things from the noble store even if they existed (WHICH THEY DONT YET), like in the LP store that for some reason i cant complain about right now. I am just too hard headed to understand that new things in the noble store are just as attainable to anyone else thru isk, therefore i think i am being held back.
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TK420
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:03:00 -
[1479]
Edited by: TK420 on 23/06/2011 16:06:22 Honestly CCP, go ahead and take the path that SOE did. Do to Everquest 2 what SOE did. You'll receive the same reaction from me, un-subbing.
I keep hearing the EVE is a dinosaur, while CCP may be the skeleton, EVE community is the meat on the bones. We're what make you move, we're what provide the most interest content. You really want to screw us over?
Be careful about Evolution, sometimes it will kill the dinosaur. How do you think survival of the fittest works? How do you think you've lasted this long? Think of what has made you successful so far.
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Arele
Minmatar Samurai Salvaging
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:04:00 -
[1480]
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
Quoting this just in case Devs miss it.
Jade has the best post on this whole mess.
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Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 -
[1481]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
I would prefer they cut costs and operate within their means. Either that or get some outside investment. Not pass the buck of crappy management to us.
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Pandadora
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 -
[1482]
Originally by: Rixiu
Because there is no such thing as non-adobe pdf readers?
Huh? Apple Preview for starters. There are more, of course.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:10:00 -
[1483]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
I'd much rather pay an extra dollar a month if it meant an end to the PLEX trade and all this talk of MTs.
That way we could have a return to the days when success in Eve was related to skill and not RL cash.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Saskie Castillo
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:10:00 -
[1484]
Was first expecting a quick response from CCP telling us its fake. As it looks a lot more shabby than what you'd expect from an internal monthly newsletter. However the lack a quick reply has actually made me think it might be real.
The patch itself wasn't that bad, not much content but still far from horrible as it serves a foundation for something that could be on pair with blowing up spaceships, in time. However, it could easily also be turned into a foundation for micro transactions and ****ty fluffy gameplay. That I fear.
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Saris Jacinta
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:11:00 -
[1485]
Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer this is his best? Ill reword it for him
1. Im too stupid to have cargo open when i dock, or double click the ship to open cargo from ships window. oh, and right clicking - activate ship is too hard on my brain
2. Speculation of Doom, wow, the world is ending, just not right now, maybe later
3. Speculation of Doom, 6+ months from now, based on actions that have not happened yet. I am too stupid to comprehend how to use isk to buy things from the noble store even if they existed (WHICH THEY DONT YET), like in the LP store that for some reason i cant complain about right now. I am just too hard headed to understand that new things in the noble store are just as attainable to anyone else thru isk, therefore i think i am being held back.
Well your right it isnt yet.. but as we seen they think about it... And we know from real life.. crying when the child has fallen into a Hole is to late.. So we shout out now.. let'em know what we think. Its never bad to Discuess options and its always right to say what you think. CCP wanna make money and they will do anything to get it... show em we are not willing to pay theire loans if they break a Game we all love so much cannot be wrong.
Well.. i played SWG.. as there was an idear from SOE to implement the NGE stuff.. and we all said.. hey lets see if they realy do it.. they done it.. and they killed swg.
So cause of i dont want to loose a good Game to Moneymaking i start to shout :) you may think its whining.. right it can be but i dont care as i was told my whole life.. if you dont like something then NAME it cause nobody knows what you think :)
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:11:00 -
[1486]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
A subscription price increase.
But the alternative would not be $60 monocles, but rather $0.99 monocles because that's the whole thing about microtransactions that they've missed: at $60/monocle, they'll sell enough to give everyone a Cadbury egg at the next company picnic. If they sold them at $0.99, they'd be able to buy Iceland.
As numerous people have already mentioned in this thread and others, people will gladly fork over the money for 80+ $0.99 items, but will baulk at the idea of paying 1+ $60.
That $60 monocle isn't the second option, it's the third, and by far the worst option of the three, because it will not generate any significant amount of money. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Lelob
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:11:00 -
[1487]
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
The more people that see this post, the better.
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Mac Aoidh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:12:00 -
[1488]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/06/2011 12:47:10
Here is the problem Verone.
Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?
3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?
Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
So hereÆs the thing.
The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
QFT
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:12:00 -
[1489]
Originally by: Lelob
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
The more people that see this post, the better.
We should get it stickied under the thread title: The gospel of Jade.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:15:00 -
[1490]
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.
Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 û 2008 (14 years)
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:16:00 -
[1491]
Originally by: Jade Constantine ....
Originally by: Verone I look at the parts of Eve that I enjoy, and those that have an effect on what I enjoy. The rest is for other people to be concerned over.
Here is the problem Verone.
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The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Excellent post, Jade, and it nails the problem, and the solution, very accurately. It's why I unsubbed. The only thing I can think of that makes CCP take notice.
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:16:00 -
[1492]
Originally by: Lelob
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
The more people that see this post, the better.
Indeed.
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Technovar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:18:00 -
[1493]
Originally by: Flex Carter Ok,ok... Where the hell are the Moderators?
What are you expecting them to moderate? Sure, there's some extreme stuff, but the core of the discussion:
1. The leaked PDF is clearly real. 2. CCP want to sell I-Win buttons for cash.
can't easily be argued with. Are you expecting them to say "Oh, wait, that's not really what we're planning to do!"? You'll be waiting a long, long time. This is what they're doing. They're just trying to figure out a way to spin it.
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Jonny Utrigas
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:20:00 -
[1494]
Edited by: Jonny Utrigas on 23/06/2011 16:23:47
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.
Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 û 2008 (14 years)
2008 huh? I feel like something important happened in 2008... OHHHH the great banking bail out because all the loan companies in America realized their "adjustable mortgage" rates and the like were unsustainable. These loans were a way to sneak in "money grabs" (as many people in the forum would refer to it), and then they were surprised when the majority of those loans defaulted because they were trying to squeeze money out of people that had none! So, I'm guessing that guy really knows how to keep a sustainable business model...
Edit: actually, a slight correction, he knew how to keep a sustainable business model until he jumped on the bandwagon of "squeeze out every last cent you can from these people so we can continue to fly our private jets everywhere."
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Pat Morrison
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:20:00 -
[1495]
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?
Curious is all.
I would have taken a 50% hike in sub fees to put development of spaceship content back on track. The fact they didn't see this as a viable alternative tells me just how little they know of their customer base.
How much more would you pay per month for Eve in order to fund development of Dust and WoD?
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:21:00 -
[1496]
Originally by: Miilla
Has there been a case involving this e-scenario?
Also, notice their EULA has a clause for LIMITED LIABILITY.
That is effectively signing away your right's, which in contractual law is a worthless clause.
The law states what liability they have, not their EULA :)
Would be nice to see a test case on this, I actually raised this "loan" issue in a previous thread a week or 2 ago where that "limited liability" clause was brought up, it really is a worthless clause, the law states the limits. Not the company.
You still don't "get it" do you?
If all the stockpiled PLEXs were utilised in an organised way CCP would lose lots of revenue for a sustained period. This would require people to give away PLEX for others to sub (the idea of you trying to give away PLEX in Rens is stunningly funny) so the effect was widened as the stockpiles of PLEX won't deplete otherwise and nor would CCPs monthly revenue.
Its very very unlikely that would happen under normal circumstances. However were you (for example) trying to attract new investment then that is an area that due diligence may turn up. Especially now.
tl;dr were the major holders of stockpiled PLEX to organise in a certain way then CCPs cashflow would be impacted in a non-trivial way (IMHO and I have no knowledge of CCPs current finances).
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T0KER
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:22:00 -
[1497]
Pathetic.
I played eve for almost 2 years but ended up getting bored because of the PLEX system. I don't care about loosing a 2$ battleship when I make 25$/hr in my job irl. If dieing meant that I had to grind for an hour or two, that would matter to me.
WE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH PLEX, WHAT DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN
PLAYERS NEED TO STAND UP AGAINST MICROTRANSACTIONS AND NOT ACCEPT THEM LIKE WE ALL DID PLEX
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:22:00 -
[1498]
Originally by: Jade Constantine ...
The newsletter was more of a shock to my system than the CQ/noble store fiasco has been in truth. And that was out there in ccp land for a while (allegedly) I desperately hoped it was faked but it is looking increasinly likely it was not and it sells a brand of clueless that I find frankly staggering. How somebody can rise to such a senior position in an online game without possessing any apparent understanding of the community the game was based on boggles my mind.
HereÆs the reality Verone û CCP stand to lose more revenue in lost multi-account users via the mandatory/ un-optimized CQ than they gain from forcing people to view the 3d environment vanity display case. If there was a quick fix in the works shouldn't we have heard about it ? Or does the fact that this issue was raised often and loudly during SISI testing but entirely ignored tell you that this aspect is not going to be fixed.
We need to raise a storm to get CCP to backtrack on the removal of the mandatory CQ view and get a disembark from hanger view option to restore the eve client to former multi client/medium performance rig capabiliy. This is not a argument for mutely saying "lets wait and see." The irony is its for their good AND ours. Forcibly dumping (showing the door) to large sections of multi client using player base is commercial nonsense.
And on the Noble Store.
If they had set the Aurum store at a sensible level they would have made considerably more money from day one. I myself had prepped a billion isk worth of plexes to buy my character clothes and chances are would have spent the money happily were it possible to buy a whole outfit for that price. But the outrageous greed ôthe gorden gecko effectö meant that I took one look at the monocle and skirts and said screw that û let it rot. And IÆm pretty damned sure IÆm not the only one feeling this way.
This is indicative of bad business decision-making on the part of developers who have now shown they have no real idea what they are doing. What the hell is the CSM for if not to run some proposed numbers for aurum prices past them to sanity check the concept before going live with it? Even mittani is shaking his head and saying he had no clue this was the pricing level they were aiming at. It tells me that the "biz-devs" knew this was going to annoy the community immensely and no way the CSM would have told them it was a good idea. Firing the consultants and advisers is always a good way to get a well-crafted policy right?
Unless we as a community make a noise and protest this then these bad decision-makers will drag the Eve we know and love to an early grave and it will be a great shame and tragedy for us all.
That leaked internal newsletter gives us insight into the rot that has taken hold in the minds here. Question to us is whether we sit down and take it or get up and do something about it. I'm not a player to talk idly about quitting this game and truthfully I don't intend to - but I'm damned if I'm going to sit down and let my hobby go quietly into the night because some marketing numpty got his back of a beermat sums wrong to such disastrous impact.
We need to put you on the barricades more often, Jade. It's fairly rare that one sees forum posts of this quality. +1
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:22:00 -
[1499]
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
QFT
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Alexingeras
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:23:00 -
[1500]
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Reed Tiburon HEY BLUE BARS:
Originally by: FunzzeR
Originally by: Jade Constantine Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?
3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
Quoting this just in case Devs miss it.
QFT
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