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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Halamoto true enough ms Freak, but i always remember the first rule of the netz, (one ive fallen foul of) unless talking to a person face to face, the 'emotional content' gets lost and what i write as a sardonic tongue in cheek friendly joke may come across in plain text to bob smith as a vile insult and plain hurtful, without the other person to go by we use our own outlook, personality and feelings to fill in the blanks, and in any large enough group of people a bunch would take the showing the door joke the wrong way, its human nature, those would scream HOW DARE THEY!!!!! OMG!!!!! and then because when you tell someone hey did you spot the mini deathstar in the apocrypha background people will look for it and see it even if its not there because their mind tries to fulfil its own expectations, thus it becomes a self sustaining phenomena as people who didnt see the bad side suddenly do,
thats why you have to be damn careful what you do and how you do it, if it was a joke they should have explained it right away to do the whole 'get it eh lolz' bit to make people see it as funny, but with everything else going on in incarna alot of people were predisposed to see it as the insult, i didnt see it as an insult, then someone mentioned hey they are showing us the door, then i just facepalmd at the sheer dumbass of doing it
LOL - Yes - Exactly. It took me an hour or two to realise it as well! (But i did sort of see the funny side, what made me annoyed was the arrogance it portrayed given the rest of everything)
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Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:10:00 -
[512]
Hire this guy. Fire at least 5 from your old customer care department. Win! me |
Olwein
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:11:00 -
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+1 amen to the OP |
Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:11:00 -
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perfect case in point then ms freak,
i was half torn between facepalm oh no that was dumb and are they deliberatly being rude, you saw a bit funny and a bit worried by arrogance, some didnt get it, others exploded in rage,
in any case what it was in total was CARELESS, a company that has contempt for its customers shouldnt let them find out, a company that cares for its customers shouldnt make them think they dont, a company that wants to be light hearted should make sure everyone gets the joke, Me? im just sitting here,
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Mahabhava
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:12:00 -
[515]
+3 and CORP C C P PLEASE L I S T E N
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Halamoto perfect case in point then ms freak,
i was half torn between facepalm oh no that was dumb and are they deliberatly being rude, you saw a bit funny and a bit worried by arrogance, some didnt get it, others exploded in rage,
in any case what it was in total was CARELESS, a company that has contempt for its customers shouldnt let them find out, a company that cares for its customers shouldnt make them think they dont, a company that wants to be light hearted should make sure everyone gets the joke,
I'll +1 that
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: caldar ian ... 7 years of my life betrayed.
LOL...
7 years of your life? EVE is your life you poor sob? You didn't have any fun in the last 7 years?
Oh I get it, you thought everything would stay the same forever... TSK, TSK...
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Darik Jita
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 -
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Goddam, folks: Hangar is where you store your ships. Hanger is what you use to abort your underage girlfriend's unexpected pregnancy.
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Anistazana
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Franz Sigel We have a pen&paper RPG in Germany, +The Dark Eye½ (Das Schwarze Auge), which works as a mutual maintenance/caretaking of community-by-company and company-by-community in a way similar to Eve. The simulated world, compared to other Fantasy RPG's, displays (imho) an unrivalled richness which is due to the engagement and the contributions of the community, while the company (whose body corporate has changed over times while the core team has been more or less persisting) keeps a close contact to the community. And there's a similar tier of CSM as with Eve/CCP, which is channeling that communication.
Now Eurogamer has made an important point:
+The option to assume a Gordon Gecko mentality and capitalise further on EVE Online only exists because of the players. The sandbox that led to the stories that enthrall even non-players doesn't belong to CCP - it belongs to the community.½
This has already been pointed out in multiple posts of the Eve Community, but I feel compelled to pointedly add my own angle of view:
The whole thing boils down, as in the real world, to a question of good and legitimate government - Eve (and +The Dark Eye½ alike), as a mutual product of Company and Community, has been and could still be a model case of how Capitalism, while being about money, nevertheless builds upon information (Hayek's POV: markets are about processing information, primarily, and money is only a means to that). Undock from the flow of community information - and your business gets over the heads of the People, loses its contact to Reality, and finally produces its own legitimation crisis.
There used to be a lot of talk once (at least in Europe) about what +economic democracy½ could mean - here we have a practical working example: a Company that functions as the corporated heart of a Community to realize the visions of that community - which are, ideally, at least compatible with the visions of the Company's staff. Subscription fees are the taxes payed by the Community to keep its Government up and running - while they duly expect that this Government be Good and Legitimate and hence take care of the needs and aspirations of its People.
So, finally, the idea of legitimate government is not a metaphor her, it's the real thing - thus we may adopt the slogan that led to the Boston Tea Party of 1773: +No taxation without representation!½. For Eve is not only a game (and a virtual economy), but an example of real world economy as well, to which the Community is dedicating not only their money, but their irretrievable lifetime, too! So please, CCP, don't f**k with our lifetime - at least not with mine!
Quite possibly one of the most insightful/thought provoking things i've ever read on this forum! Nicely said.
Do we the players need a Magna Carta? Something to define the rights and privileges?
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
Of everything that's happened with this expansion and the lead up to, this is the one that makes me the saddest inside.
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Zach 101
Caldari Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:26:00 -
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I have always said 'I don't mind what CCP does until it starts to seriously effect my game play in a negative direction.' CCP seems to be ignoring that this is becoming serious, becoming, meaning not quite there yet, turn it around CCP pay attention to the people who pay you. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dohl Khrensen
Originally by: Ms Freak Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
Of everything that's happened with this expansion and the lead up to, this is the one that makes me the saddest inside.
Couldn't have said it better
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 -
[523]
oh and for more great head-desk moments from me, the whole
but $1000 jeans!
*THUMP*
oh no dont try to justify by comparing to real physical
*THUMP*
better stop doing that my computer desk is made of steel Me? im just sitting here,
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Halamoto oh and for more great head-desk moments from me, the whole
but $1000 jeans!
*THUMP*
oh no dont try to justify by comparing to real physical
*THUMP*
better stop doing that my computer desk is made of steel
LOL - I may well jsut put that in my bio!!
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:47:00 -
[525]
Razor alliance providing you the words to live by since 2005
let loose the Goats! Me? im just sitting here,
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:11:00 -
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i think Ms Freak you may have to reference and wrap in the COO interview thats being talked about round here, it seems to be more oh god you dont know what your saying do you, type material Me? im just sitting here,
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:17:00 -
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Bumping to keep on front page.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:23:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto i think Ms Freak you may have to reference and wrap in the COO interview thats being talked about round here, it seems to be more oh god you dont know what your saying do you, type material
Quite Possibly. I will monitor the situation.
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:25:00 -
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mainly i think its a corollary to the hilmar email and Zulu's first devblog in that it dosnt sound helpful and just perpetuates the negative perceptions that are out there
dear CCP welcome to the Hell News Cycle, it just never ends Me? im just sitting here,
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Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:11:00 -
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+1 as well, all good points that need to be addressed. Nice work Ms Freak.
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GateRaider
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:16:00 -
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+1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:18:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto mainly i think its a corollary to the hilmar email and Zulu's first devblog in that it dosnt sound helpful and just perpetuates the negative perceptions that are out there
dear CCP welcome to the Hell News Cycle, it just never ends
Added and related to existing issues. I won't add any further communicatiopn related issues as i i think they may well ahve got the point by now!!
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto mainly i think its a corollary to the hilmar email and Zulu's first devblog in that it dosnt sound helpful and just perpetuates the negative perceptions that are out there
dear CCP welcome to the Hell News Cycle, it just never ends
Added and related to existing issues. I won't add any further communicatiopn related issues as i i think they may well ahve got the point by now!!
optimism wow, thought that was out of fashion, Me? im just sitting here,
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Chas Davia
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:29:00 -
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+1
Postive outcome and I may resub... whatching what you do, not what you say...
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:32:00 -
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My issue is how long will we only have 7 devs working on the spaceship features part of eve?
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777
We know there are 102 eve devs working on things other than the spaceship part of the game. (incarna, dust links, and eve gate etc.) How many devs does our subscription money pay for in different games while our game remains broken?
And did you forget the fw roundtable?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1489084
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?
If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.
Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.
ok me let try to explain it so even you can understand these are just a few examples there are others
yes a guy can buy a character with isk very true yes he can buy a ship with isk ? yes we all do that can he buy a 5000giliwatt GM melt your face death ray of doom more powerful that the finger of GOD himself, that hits you so hard even your entire corp, alliance and offspring will die IN one shot NO HE CAN'T and as long as he cant all is right with the world
can he be a rotten pirate? yes he can we all have that option should he be able to use any means to buy back his his security status when it goes so low he cant get into empire or pay concord to look the other way while he ganks some noob miner ? NO he cant and all is right with the world
i hope this clears up pay2win MT and why we never want to see it in this game
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Predator Nyx
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Predator Nyx on 28/06/2011 19:54:52
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
i hope this clears up pay2win MT and why we never want to see it in this game
Correction, Pay 2 Monocle. Pay 2 Win doesnt exist.
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namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:25:00 -
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+1 excellent write-up
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LordOfValhalla
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:31:00 -
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This new "In-Crap-Ta" update is bull****. It is now disscurraging me from using several clients due to the lagg and other lame ass walking around crap that takes up more time I have no intrest in. If I wanted to play a ****ing first person shooter I would just play my Halo , its way better. This **** is not why i play this game I play it cuz I like the ships. Now i have to dissable the crap and stare at a wall. Now i dont even want to dock up. And i would be appy to just take my old docking screen back. Why can twe get a box to check that allows you to use the old docking window without the bull**** walking around? Makes me start to think if i want to continue play this game if ccp is just going to do whatever they want without asking there paying customers what they might want.
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Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:55:00 -
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+1 to the OP 10/10
Makes everything we have said very easy to read. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Until CSM tells me a good change coming from CCP. |
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