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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 11:01:24 Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 10:55:30 Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 10:51:41 -------------------------- Forenote -------------------------- @CCP: I LOVE your AMAZING game and so i have created this thread to give you the raw concise issues to they may be address. Each one needs addressing somehow and you should know that keeping to CCP Pann's "calling spades 'spades'" would be a wise choice. If you mean "No", say it to avoid further confusion.
@Community: I am not attempting to become a "mediator" I simply wish to ensure that CCP are given a clear and concise list of the issues we have at present that are at the root of the current anger.
@All: I will be as un-bias as i possibly can be towards any of the issues and will keep this post (and the next one) as up to date as possible. The issues listed below are in no particular order and no one issue is given any more or less importance than any other to ensure that each one can be addressed. If i have missed something please post to let me know and i will update this post. If you are in agreement with any of the points please post it's number so that CCP can see the "priorities". Keep discussion CONSTRUCTIVE. --------------------------------------------------------------
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 10:51:58 Dear CCP,
The following is a distinct break-down of the issues at hand:
Issue 1: Removal of the "Hanger View" Why all the "Rage"?:- Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ.
- Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hanger view and "Ship spinning".
- Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP.
Community Request: Return the hanger view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button.
Issue 2: NeX Prices Why all the "Rage"?:- Not everyone can access this new content.
- MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions.
- Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
- Players feel they are being leached.
- Bypassed the CSM.
Community Request: Divide all the prices by at least 10. They will still be expensive and "Exclusive" but more accessible and less laughable.
Issue 3: MT & Fearless Why all the "Rage"?:- It states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe.
- CCP & CSM agreed Vanity items only.
- MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions.
- Ignored the CSM.
Community Request: Repeat your promise to keep MT & Nex as Vanity only in EvE Online. Do as you please with WoD & DUST.
Issue 4: CCP Zulu's Blog Why all the "Rage"?:- It is insulting and de-grading.
- "smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous": 4.5 hours overdue deployment, 2+ threadnoughts & 100's of accounts unsubbed, ugly & slow. Anyone? Srsly?
- Comparing pixels to RL is MMO suicide (see "SWG NPE" in Google)
- "I hope Iæve addressed your concerns" - No, not a single one of them. (Hense this thread as the message is clearly being lost).
- The "F**K You" message that is sends to players.
- Ignored the CSM.
Community Request: Do NOT insult your customers like this ever again. Please speak clearly. Call spades spades. Answer our questions. Address our issues. But not like this.
Issue 5: Captains Quarters Why all the "Rage"?:- Not "optional".
- Not finished.
- Over heating video-cards.
- Avatars look like they have been beaten with baseball bats.
- "Shown the door" when it is turned off (This seriously isn't funny).
- Broken, Ugly & Slow.
- Mountains of player feedback in the testing forum ignored.
- Ignored the CSM.
Community Request: Release finished expansions, do it late if nessesary. The last few expansions (bar this one) have been "good", and Team BFF and 1000's paper cuts was really making a difference to the players. Continue like that, not like this.
Issue 6: Broken & Stealth Changed functionality Why all the "Rage"?:- Key mechanics (probing) were changed dramatically without warning.
- Boosters & Implants were severely broken.
- Show info windows scroll-bars didn't work.
- Drones, missiles & probes werent getting any bonuses.
Community Request: Please don't return to the days of the expansion no-one mentions because it broke everything. Stop announcing your expansions 4 weeks in advanced and then cramming to get it done. Give us 2 days notice, TELL US what's changing and get it right instead.
Issue 7: CCP Communication Why all the "Rage"?:- Lack Of.
- Insulting to players.
- Un-controlled.
Community Request: *<dismay>* I honestly don't know what to put here as it surely must be obvious?
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 10:52:07
The EvE community is a passionate one (as we've all seen) and we are so because we LOVE this GREAT and AMAZING game. Until this week we also loved CCP for bringing it to life.
There is no-one moaning about the new super-sick Turrets, or the AWESOME new entry screen (the one with the maller). Why? Because they are GOOD they are just what EvE is about and that the players want.
The "Rage" is because the rest of the features could have been awesome too, but aren't. Not because they are fendamentally flawed (well, the NeX pricing is but we will leave that for now) but because they aren't immersive, too intrusive, too buggy and rushed.
Now, the community would like to know what CCP thinks about the these issues and what it intends to do about them (if anything).
Kind Regards
Ms Freak
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Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:58:00 -
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This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.
+1 -
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Alpine 69 This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.
+1
Thankyou. I'm simply attempting to add some constructive sense to this entire mess!
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:48 Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:30 Dont forget the leaked pdf and the damn mail.
When i read those is the moment i finally open my eyes and see where they are going : far from their fanbase.
Personnaly, after reading the mail this morning, i think it is over already and unsubbed. I am moving to a new game, so its my last moments on this forum.
Simply to say : never a game company disapointed me so much. The trust is lost forever.
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cytex malrone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:04:00 -
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supported . CCP listen
Although I don't trust these guys with any mt any more they need to get rid of the whole lot of it the cant be trusted to keep it as vanity only. Raise the subscription if they have to.
I would also state they need to start developing the internet space ships of the game and start fixing all there previous expansions. Faction war 0.0 sov galantee being a example.
CCP you have a amazing game and I will fight you tooth and nail to keep it as a amazing game.
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:06:00 -
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Without a monocle, you just will not be taken seriously.
Where is your passion? Your commitment?
In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
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Planet Face
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 -
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+1
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Xzan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 -
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Well written Ms Freak.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:48 Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 25/06/2011 11:05:30 Dont forget the leaked pdf and the damn mail.
When i read those is the moment i finally open my eyes and see where they are going : far from their fanbase.
Personnaly, after reading the mail this morning, i think it is over already and unsubbed. I am moving to a new game, so its my last moments on this forum.
Simply to say : never a game company disapointed me so much. The trust is lost forever.
The PDF is covered by the "MT & Fearless" section. The Email i'll add in somewhere now. Thanks.
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Arth Lawing
Gallente Penumbra Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 -
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Issue 2 Nex prices. I think the cost is not the issue here, but rather the addition of an extra new type of currency when we already have plex-isk conversion, and the costs of these items compared to other items. A set of clothing shouldn't cost more than a ready to rock capital ship, if so, why can't we all live on the planets and be tailors instead of pod pilots.
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Liliana Morgenstern
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 -
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Beautifully put Ms Freak
This is a very good summary of the issues that are concerning me
+1
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Yapona Mat
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 -
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good concise information. i agree to all of it there.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Alpine 69 This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.
+1
Thankyou. I'm simply attempting to add some constructive sense to this entire mess!
I'd say you've done a nice job. Maybe throw in a link to Tippia's post (since it is a good read - CCP needs to have it committed to memory frankly) or a nod to the work he did. (Not taking anything away from you either)
But really - I commend you here. You've hit the points that I care about and done so in a completely non-confrontational way.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah Without a monocle, you just will not be taken seriously.
Where is your passion? Your commitment?
In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.
Please can we keep this constructive so that CCP may have a chance at addressing this situation ina way to everyone liking?
This thread is not "Feigned outrage" it is clear, thought-out constructive questioning. And i would like to keep it that way if at all possible.
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Brother Paulan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:14:00 -
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+1 right here, CCP read this
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tex sharky
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:16:00 -
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CCP/EVE = husband Community = wife
Recently husband undertook series of not well thought (stupid) actions and as a result wife is calling him *******. She's soo mad because she's soo in love with him. Husband naturally took all the wife's words literally and he's butthurt (banning elite community members). He also ran to his cave (lack of CCP communication and response to no 1 question). He knows he's guilty but can't agree openly in front of his wife (he cheated on her ofc:D). Now if he chooses to 'STFU/HTFU and live with it' option she will sooner or later leave him. Well he may think she's in love with him so all is going to be fine but smart women rarely stays with cheating men. As we all know once married men can't live without women for long usually falling into life-shortening activities and auto-destruction (falling into short-lived relationships, health destructive activities - you know what i mean). If however he admits he failed, he cheated and he never do it again he has the chance that his wife will forgive him and although without much trust she will live with him happily.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arth Lawing Issue 2 Nex prices. I think the cost is not the issue here, but rather the addition of an extra new type of currency when we already have plex-isk conversion, and the costs of these items compared to other items. A set of clothing shouldn't cost more than a ready to rock capital ship, if so, why can't we all live on the planets and be tailors instead of pod pilots.
I will add this to the list of concerns for this entry. Thanks.
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Boris Borison
Caldari Evolution Rising
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:17:00 -
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+ 1 a well written post in a ocean of ****.
I would disagree with 1 point, If rich ***s want to show off with an overpriced monocle, fine, but there should be some reasonably priced items available too (I still wouldn't be buying any, but the option should be there)
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:18:00 -
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Issue 2 & 3. Very few items, new feature. not everyone can access it. Define Vanity. Market speculants for PLEX demand to rise with this patch not getting the profit the speculated billions in. Thanks to the high prices on thoose first items the plex market is kept stable. You can also resell vanity items in eve to other players when you do not want them anymore. That 3.4 plex monocle will always be worth rougly 3.4 plex in isk. So the actual cost/loss is minimal. You could even profit from it.
The fearless document is not written to be taken seriosuly. Gordon Gekko Edition, "Greed is Good[QuestionMark]". They need that debate for dust & WOD. The company as a whole dont know thoose coming titles, but all of CCP knows abit about EvE. Making her the perfect arena for an exaggerrated debate about how to go about MT to highlight extremist views, bad ideas and Gordon Gekko greed. Soundwave acting making an excellent Gekko rendition.
And the blogg response. Abit bad admittedly, but I guess faced with threats put into action to 'take you company down and threadnaught you into oblivion and spill your guts all over gaming sites' makes a corporation edgey.
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Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:19:00 -
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+1
_________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines |
Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 25/06/2011 11:21:56 I agree with OP, but try to keep cicilized.
If that doesnt work, we can always try to send mail (the old version on paper :P). To CCP; let them drown in the paper. If forum rage doesnt work as you wont notice much except your database grows, try an approach wich does get noticed; fill there mailbox with letters; call them (if possible.)
If that doesnt work, we can always try to send some torches and pitchforks.
There adress:
CCP Headquarters CCP hf Grandagar=ur 8 101 Reykjavfk Iceland
Tel: (+354) 540 9100 Fax: (+354) 540 9198
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?
If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.
Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.
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Emydia
Gallente Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:26:00 -
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Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?
If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.
Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.
And guess where that char wich you "buy". (Transfer fee). Got his stuff from; yes ingame items, made by other people. Its the same character with a new owner, not a new char with instant cash and ships.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
something not constructive...
Somethign more unconstructive..
Guys... Please... Take it else where.
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Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
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+1 for good post, says everything we're all ****ed off with in a concise and level headed manner. @CCP, please read and act...
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Lt Vanzi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:31:00 -
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this needs to be stickied
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Khane Kournaut
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?
If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.
Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.
+1 I've been trying to get this point across in another thread, but people keep circling the drain of rage rather than listen to reality.
It seems there is a large shout out about non-player made items (ships in particular) being added to NeX and I understand this will affect miners. If CCP make elite uber ships available through AUR which break all other ships then yes it'll be a problem. The chances of that happening though are minimal. T1 ships will almost certainly appear in time for AUR. The question is though, if someone currently has to pay through the butt for a damned monocle, how much do you think they'll have to pay for a ship? Seriously?? I expect they will cost in excess of ú100. How many people are going to be willing to pay for a T1 ship at that price?
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Solus Starcunning
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:33:00 -
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This needs to be stickied for all the ignorant pro-CCP players to read.
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Xeen Du'Wang
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:34:00 -
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excellent thread. CCP take note.
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MinSebsis
Minmatar Steel Hammer Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:34:00 -
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I am going to give this a +1 as it is to the point and easy to read.
CCP should read this.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: MinSebsis I am going to give this a +1 as it is to the point and easy to read.
CCP should read this.
I'm sure plenty CCP will. The question is whether those CCP are the kind of CCP that can do anything about this situation.
For sure though it should be read by the folks in charge.
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Jazzmyn
Violent Love
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:40:00 -
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+1 U have my axe.
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Rheum Rhabarbarium
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:41:00 -
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Excellent post. You've listed most of what we've got gripes about.
You may want to add that in a subscription based game, adding Micro Transactions causes a conflict of interest between developing the core game, and developing content they can charge more money over. We want assurances that the core game will still get the attention it deserves (unlike in this latest expansion)... but to be honest, I am not sure I'll believe them...
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:41:00 -
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@CCP Fallout/Penn
Guys - if you've read this can you acknowledge/apply glue or something please? (Cheeky i know) as the sheer volume of forum chrun is pushing this too far down too quickly.
I think if people see there is a potential for a simple response in a calm controlled way then things may settle down a bit.
Thanks
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Ervi San
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:41:00 -
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+1 good job!
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Sathiran Endis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:41:00 -
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Very good thread, simple and constructive. +1 and CCP please read this
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Rie Amada
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:42:00 -
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+1
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak
Guys... Please... Take it else where.
I am not trolling you, Ms Freak, I just think that CCP knows far better than we what to do with their game.
Not trying to rain on your parade, I am sure you feel you have valid points. I don't know why you feel surprised that the figurehead CSM was bypassed. In the end, CCP is a business. They are going to do whatever they must to remain competitive in the market. I am not surprised at anything they have done here, it is after all, their game, not ours. They are the ones that will decide what will happen here, and my guess is that all these 'leaks' were done on purpose to gauge reactions to changes that have been in the works for ages. It is to them I look for where this game should go, not the player base. I think that they have done a great job so far, and if you don't like the changes they are planning, well, HTFU. It is not the end of the world.
Perhaps their analysis of the market has shown that these changes, while perhaps making them lose say 10% of their player base, will result in a 25% increase in subscribers after all is said and done? What would you do in that situation? They do not owe us anything. They provide a service, we pay for it, quid pro quo.
Is it possible they could have done a better job in warning the players of changes in the pipe? Sure, but why do they owe me that? So I cant go farm LG Virtues in my unproebable Tengu in Aeschee anymore. So what? I need to move on and find something else to do...
Change is good, the more surprising the better.
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JIM Ohu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:43:00 -
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+1
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XSarah
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:44:00 -
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good thread spotted
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Freak @CCP Fallout/Penn
Guys - if you've read this can you acknowledge/apply glue or something please? (Cheeky i know) as the sheer volume of forum chrun is pushing this too far down too quickly.
I think if people see there is a potential for a simple response in a calm controlled way then things may settle down a bit.
Thanks
Pann had a family emergency after beginning the megathread as reported by Manifest on twitter. Fallout is about though.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Ms Freak
Guys... Please... Take it else where.
I am not trolling you, Ms Freak, I just think that CCP knows far better than we what to do with their game.
Not trying to rain on your parade, I am sure you feel you have valid points. I don't know why you feel surprised that the figurehead CSM was bypassed. In the end, CCP is a business. They are going to do whatever they must to remain competitive in the market. I am not surprised at anything they have done here, it is after all, their game, not ours. They are the ones that will decide what will happen here, and my guess is that all these 'leaks' were done on purpose to gauge reactions to changes that have been in the works for ages. It is to them I look for where this game should go, not the player base. I think that they have done a great job so far, and if you don't like the changes they are planning, well, HTFU. It is not the end of the world.
Perhaps their analysis of the market has shown that these changes, while perhaps making them lose say 10% of their player base, will result in a 25% increase in subscribers after all is said and done? What would you do in that situation? They do not owe us anything. They provide a service, we pay for it, quid pro quo.
Is it possible they could have done a better job in warning the players of changes in the pipe? Sure, but why do they owe me that? So I cant go farm LG Virtues in my unproebable Tengu in Aeschee anymore. So what? I need to move on and find something else to do...
Change is good, the more surprising the better.
Thanks and Indeed, i totaly agree. The idea of this thread is not to voice mine or anyone else specific issues. The idea is to give CCP an "agreed" (of sorts) list of things the community is mad about so they can attempt to address them.
For all the rage - let's give them half a chance.
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Thom Baron
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:48:00 -
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And then there's still those of us unable to install/repair incarna at all.
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JTK Fotheringham
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:50:00 -
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+1 www.dashavatara.comnull |
Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 25/06/2011 11:50:02 +1
a bit blunt but very true. CCP needs to communicate with the community or this will grow out of hand. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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SasRipper
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:50:00 -
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+1 Fearless leak Commentary vid |
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Ceq Lysander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:51:00 -
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+1
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:51:00 -
[52]
My only comment is change the word "player" to the word "customer". Otherwise good thread.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thom Baron And then there's still those of us unable to install/repair incarna at all.
I knew there was something!! - I'll add the Mac issues now. Sorry about that!
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:53:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Solus Starcunning This needs to be stickied for all the ignorant pro-CCP players to read.
This is a typical response from the truely short sighted and ignorant. Someone doesn't agree with your point of view. Clearly THEY must be wrong. So because you don't have any real argument other than "this is my point of view and it is correct", you begin with the name calling, filthy comments, the "go back to wow" stupidity. One of my favorites is the names thrown at people who are considered "rich". Rich pr1cks, a$$holes, etc. But the best is the short sighted who label people pro-CCP? If you are not pro-CCP why waste time with their products? EVERYONE who plays this game has a point of view which is no less important the the players who are yelling the loudest, and demanding that CCP change something which is their property back into something else.
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Tolanys
Minmatar shadow spirits
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:54:00 -
[55]
+1 I agree with all of this.
I can't run EVE on my mac anymore, the NeX prices are insulting and I do feel as if the devs are sugar-coating the truth to make it easier to swallow.
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Arth Lawing
Gallente Penumbra Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:55:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Thom Baron And then there's still those of us unable to install/repair incarna at all.
I knew there was something!! - I'll add the Mac issues now. Sorry about that!
While we're at it there's the support for linux native client, which was dropped because of lack of staff iirc, when games like vendetta online continue to have a linux client with a much smaller team and have added android support now too.
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Tom Eladios
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:56:00 -
[57]
+1
Good summary and constructive compared to the other rage.
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:57:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Thanks and Indeed, i totaly agree. The idea of this thread is not to voice mine or anyone else specific issues. The idea is to give CCP an "agreed" (of sorts) list of things the community is mad about so they can attempt to address them.
For all the rage - let's give them half a chance.
I can support that. I understand that no matter what my feelings are on the matter, there are many who *validly* feel differently. Your post does a fine job of representing the grievances a portion of the community might be trying to express.
At least CCP gives us all the freedom to voice dissent on their forums. Few MMO's do....
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Carebear with Issues
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:57:00 -
[59]
Good post, +1.
And way to keep it on track. These are the issues that need to be addressed.
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Amorlune
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:58:00 -
[60]
This is a good point-by-point summary +1 |
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:58:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Arth Lawing
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Thom Baron And then there's still those of us unable to install/repair incarna at all.
I knew there was something!! - I'll add the Mac issues now. Sorry about that!
While we're at it there's the support for linux native client, which was dropped because of lack of staff iirc, when games like vendetta online continue to have a linux client with a much smaller team and have added android support now too.
You have a point, but do you mind if i/we keep the list of issues to those specifically related to Incarna? Thanks.
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Thuarlach
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:58:00 -
[62]
Best post I've seen summarising the issues so far, sadly having read the email I can't see CCP changing course so - with deep regert - I am unsubscribing my two accounts.
For the last time CCP - this really isn't about the price of those stupid monocles!
Thanks for a fun 4 years,
Bert
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Noran Ferah I am not trolling you, Ms Freak, I just think that CCP knows far better than we what to do with their game.
Not trying to rain on your parade, I am sure you feel you have valid points. I don't know why you feel surprised that the figurehead CSM was bypassed. In the end, CCP is a business. They are going to do whatever they must to remain competitive in the market. I am not surprised at anything they have done here, it is after all, their game, not ours. They are the ones that will decide what will happen here, and my guess is that all these 'leaks' were done on purpose to gauge reactions to changes that have been in the works for ages. It is to them I look for where this game should go, not the player base. I think that they have done a great job so far, and if you don't like the changes they are planning, well, HTFU. It is not the end of the world.
Perhaps their analysis of the market has shown that these changes, while perhaps making them lose say 10% of their player base, will result in a 25% increase in subscribers after all is said and done? What would you do in that situation? They do not owe us anything. They provide a service, we pay for it, quid pro quo.
Is it possible they could have done a better job in warning the players of changes in the pipe? Sure, but why do they owe me that? So I cant go farm LG Virtues in my unproebable Tengu in Aeschee anymore. So what? I need to move on and find something else to do...
Change is good, the more surprising the better.
A great deal of people simply don't want to hear that. They believe that because they spend a lousy 15 bucks a month they somehow should have decision making privlidges...
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Fred Barbossa
Free Mineral Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[64]
Good post, I know it had to be hard to sanely write a response to Hilmar.
I mean serious claiming a single ambulation box= technological achievement that no one has done before. Breaking core game mechanics like implants, missiles, drones, probes, and calling it without a hitch? Planning walking in stations for years= quickest development ever?
Christ.
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Almox
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[65]
very good, hope we get a CLEAR answer very soon
...and bert can i have your stuff lol
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Joni Festus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[66]
awaits _predictable_ reply from CCP
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Jules Asner
Van Diemen's Demise Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[67]
Ms Freak You are 100% spot on.
If you like what i have to say can you please add it to the main post so it doesnt get lost in all the other posts.
First i have looked at every single post made in all of the "patch is bad mkay" threads.
A suggestion for CCP if you are looking to make money from the AUR store think of these options.
1) Sell a complete skill point reset for real $$ equiv of $45 This would mean you lose ALL injected skills including the BOOKs so there is a negative to doing this.
2) Sell a COMPLETE faction standing reset for real $$ equiv of $45 This would also mean you lose ALL standings so any faction/npc standings BAR sec status get set to 0.00
3) Change the CERTIFICATE system to have "pilot" quals. IE interceptor pilot, logistics pilot, battleship pilot and then have some mixed categories. IE Spec ops master and so on where a number of single ship type certs are needed. Then when a player unlocks this cert it unlocks a uniform in their choice of color in the NEX store for a purchase price of around $3-4 Then people have a reason to show off and its not expencive.
4) Give people a std wardrobe with 5 slots (shirts,pants,boots) of which you can mix and match as you see fit. Then offer MORE wardrobe slots for $5 each
5) give people fish tanks, bed sheets picture frames, pinball machines and even awards to hang on their CQ walls
6) have a larger range of clothes having 6 items at a major patch launch is a pretty big joke.
7) add custom ship SKINS NOT new ships so if guys want to have their scorp look cool they can buy a $5-$10 ship skin that is then always even after the ship is destroyed every scorp you buy would be fitted with the same skin. Even have multipul skins.
8) add custom ship paint schemes that you could pick from a std list of color types for each skin.
9) Add the ablilty to buy a BIGGER CQ for $5-$100 where as you scale up you add a bigger room or add extra rooms.
These are just some ideas of things that everyone i have spoken to has been talking about.
Ships/ammo/implants should NEVER be sold. a sandbox is a sandbox everything made in every is made by players (or as much as possible) These are just some ideas feel free to comment
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Okan Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[68]
+1
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Kalen C'Fean
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:01:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Ms Freak Issue 2: NeX Prices Why all the "Rage"?:- Not everyone can access this new content.
- MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions.
- Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
- Players feel they are being leached.
- Additional new currancy
- Affect on PLEX prices
- Bypassed the CSM.
Community Request: Divide all the prices by at least 10. They will still be expensive and "Exclusive" but more accessible and less laughable.
I already posted about this, but it probably got lost in the threadnaught about Zulu's blog. In the hope this thread will not go the same way, and this will actually be read by CCP, I will just quote the relevant part of my post:
Quote: The prices of the items that are currently in the NeX store don't equate to $1000 jeans, as is the analogy given. The 'Sterling' Dress Shirt, for example, is 3600 AUR. 1 Plex converts to 3500 AUR. Plexs, on the market where my character is, range from 370-470m ISK. I can get a Raven battleship, in the region where my character is at, for under 100m. So, actually, if you think of a Raven as decent mid-range car, this shirt is like a pair of jeans that costs more than three times what you paid for your car, which, unless you got one hell of a deal on your car, is much, much more than $1000.
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Carmoisine Bavaire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:02:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Carmoisine Bavaire on 25/06/2011 12:03:44 -1 This whole tread is like a kid pretending to be an adult, by speaking in propper words and stuff, but failing to see that he is still a petulant child wanting his icecream. CQ is fully optional, ship spinning is out, deal with it or quit. If spinning was your game, im sure there are others out there that provide that exact thingy..maybe even for free. If a Monockle cost the same as 24 hours of playtime, it wouldnt be special, everybody would have one, and it would be past lame before the end of this week. Exclusivety increases value. You appear to be afraid that CCP will waste the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spend to keep theire economics department running, just to sell fully fitted with 10 T2 launchers Hello Kitty Ravens for a few hundred dollar. Or, you are unaware that when this muckstorm broke loose most icelanders were either drunk, getting drunk or very married, as it was near midnight saturday night, Iceland time. Did you expect them to throw a boardmeeting cause you have tantrums ?
If you found anything CCP Zulu wrote was insulting and degrading you seriously needs to grow a pair. CQ sucks i give you that, I turned it off, nolonger a problem. You seem to have a problem with doors...call a shrink.
Ohh and they fixed a scanning bug, but introduced some new ones, they will probably be fixed too. After all this was the least ****uppy patch ive experienced. CCP Communications is way above par for the industry, its at times really really good. And it is only insulting to ppl who can be insulted by a cat looking at them. And it is nothing if not controlled.
And the Turrets, youre dead wrong there too. I want my 1400s back, not this transformer inspired Lego PoS.
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Jiks
Caldari Prophets of Doom
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:05:00 -
[71]
Excellent OP.
As to CCP's efforts at fire-fighting so far: Penns's post was a good start IMO, Zulu's usual two-brick diplomacy massively undid any good will that generated.
As other players have said, we love your game CCP but at the moment it seems you do not. Please pull your collective finger out!
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:05:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jules Asner Ms Freak You are 100% spot on.
If you like what i have to say can you please add it to the main post so it doesnt get lost in all the other posts.
.. Sorry *Snip* ....
Ships/ammo/implants should NEVER be sold. a sandbox is a sandbox everything made in every is made by players (or as much as possible) These are just some ideas feel free to comment
Thanks for that - I may well add a section to post 3 for "Links to sensible suggestions/ideas" but for now i'll leave it so that the thread can stay as "Neutral" as possible and concentrate on the issues.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:08:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire Edited by: Carmoisine Bavaire on 25/06/2011 12:03:44 -1 *rage*
Please, please try and keep this CONSTRUCTIVE. Please post about your issues but ALSO post a solution.
Thanks.
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:09:00 -
[74]
Thank you OP. @ CCP: Sticky request please.
[Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:17:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Jules Asner Ms Freak You are 100% spot on.
If you like what i have to say can you please add it to the main post so it doesnt get lost in all the other posts.
First i have looked at every single post made in all of the "patch is bad mkay" threads.
A suggestion for CCP if you are looking to make money from the AUR store think of these options.
1) Sell a complete skill point reset for real $$ equiv of $45 This would mean you lose ALL injected skills including the BOOKs so there is a negative to doing this.
2) Sell a COMPLETE faction standing reset for real $$ equiv of $45 This would also mean you lose ALL standings so any faction/npc standings BAR sec status get set to 0.00
3) Change the CERTIFICATE system to have "pilot" quals. IE interceptor pilot, logistics pilot, battleship pilot and then have some mixed categories. IE Spec ops master and so on where a number of single ship type certs are needed. Then when a player unlocks this cert it unlocks a uniform in their choice of color in the NEX store for a purchase price of around $3-4 Then people have a reason to show off and its not expencive.
4) Give people a std wardrobe with 5 slots (shirts,pants,boots) of which you can mix and match as you see fit. Then offer MORE wardrobe slots for $5 each
5) give people fish tanks, bed sheets picture frames, pinball machines and even awards to hang on their CQ walls
6) have a larger range of clothes having 6 items at a major patch launch is a pretty big joke.
7) add custom ship SKINS NOT new ships so if guys want to have their scorp look cool they can buy a $5-$10 ship skin that is then always even after the ship is destroyed every scorp you buy would be fitted with the same skin. Even have multipul skins.
8) add custom ship paint schemes that you could pick from a std list of color types for each skin.
9) Add the ablilty to buy a BIGGER CQ for $5-$100 where as you scale up you add a bigger room or add extra rooms.
These are just some ideas of things that everyone i have spoken to has been talking about.
Ships/ammo/implants should NEVER be sold. a sandbox is a sandbox everything made in every is made by players (or as much as possible) These are just some ideas feel free to comment
I like most of those ideas. However to get CCP to implement them even if they were interested would probaly take another 3 years...
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Joe Forum
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:17:00 -
[76]
Thank you for this post OP. This is the best response I've seen - either from the players or from CCP. You have put many people to shame on both sides of the divide.
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Zio Orlenard
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:18:00 -
[77]
Very good topic. Very clear and accurate.
Theres not much more we can do for now except rage across the threads and in game hoping our voice is heard. Once CCP gives a definitive response I think I'll probably be unsubbing but until then I'll be posting in the hopes that they listen to their (ex?) fans and save this great game.
They have just burnt the bridges between themselves and us. It will take time for them to regain our trust but I hope they have the intelligence to try. Bringing in MT will kill this game.
Hah and to think people used to point out that this is one of the only MMOs to have a constantly growing subscriber base since launch.
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Thom Baron
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:18:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Thom Baron on 25/06/2011 12:18:32
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Thom Baron And then there's still those of us unable to install/repair incarna at all.
I knew there was something!! - I'll add the Mac issues now. Sorry about that!
Surprisingly, this is not a mac OS issue (I run both, and every previous version it has been the problem - this time its windows client. well, I havent checked mac client.. maybe it is too?)
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire whining
Get CCP's **** out of your mouth. Just because you don't mind being stomped all over by developers doesn't mean the rest of us are so spineless.
@OP: a few lines about the specific functionalities that were removed from Incarna would be well-placed. Thank you for the effort. ________________
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:19:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire Edited by: Carmoisine Bavaire on 25/06/2011 12:03:44 -1 This whole tread is like a kid pretending to be an adult, by speaking in propper words and stuff, but failing to see that he is still a petulant child wanting his icecream. CQ is fully optional, ship spinning is out, deal with it or quit. If spinning was your game, im sure there are others out there that provide that exact thingy..maybe even for free. If a Monockle cost the same as 24 hours of playtime, it wouldnt be special, everybody would have one, and it would be past lame before the end of this week. Exclusivety increases value. You appear to be afraid that CCP will waste the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spend to keep theire economics department running, just to sell fully fitted with 10 T2 launchers Hello Kitty Ravens for a few hundred dollar. Or, you are unaware that when this muckstorm broke loose most icelanders were either drunk, getting drunk or very married, as it was near midnight saturday night, Iceland time. Did you expect them to throw a boardmeeting cause you have tantrums ?
If you found anything CCP Zulu wrote was insulting and degrading you seriously needs to grow a pair. CQ sucks i give you that, I turned it off, nolonger a problem. You seem to have a problem with doors...call a shrink.
Ohh and they fixed a scanning bug, but introduced some new ones, they will probably be fixed too. After all this was the least ****uppy patch ive experienced. CCP Communications is way above par for the industry, its at times really really good. And it is only insulting to ppl who can be insulted by a cat looking at them. And it is nothing if not controlled.
And the Turrets, youre dead wrong there too. I want my 1400s back, not this transformer inspired Lego PoS.
Excellent, I luv it. Let's do lunch...
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Carmoisine Bavaire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:21:00 -
[81]
Ohh yes, sorry forgot to include solutions to problems...my bad.
1. Bunch of Emos, raging all over the place Solution; Ignore them. 2. Bunch of madhatters thinking the world is burning down and desiding to help by crashing nodes Solution; Ban them. 3. CQ Solution; Here CCP could have done a much better job, they could had waited another month to release it, atleast, its only half done and look like ****. 4. Vanity Items Solution; Hate them if you like, but dont at the same time argue that they are too expensive. Thats bigotry. 5. CSM being ignored by CCP Solution; Reread the charter for CSM, its an *drumroll* Advisory body. 6. An evolving world Solution; Play ...umm ..dead ?
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Thax Zed
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:21:00 -
[82]
+1
A point nobody has addressed so far is this:
What makes Eve different is that it is _hard_. It is very mathematical, it needs serious work to compute best trade/fitting/etc. The client base is overwhelmingly male (more so than annoy other MMO) (this is not a judgement in any way but is, as I understand it, a fact) and I suspect older. They are the original techno-geeks.
They like the hard work of getting it right. They like the open ended nature of the game play. They like the multiple avenues to success. They hate being condescended to or being treated like dirt.
They do not like looking pretty, or add-ons that not give added game play.
CQ adds nothing to game play at this time, but come DUST maybe it will.
What is disturbing is that so many players can no longer run the game on their chosen platform.
CCP has treated its players badly but hopefully they will learn
The game is still worth playing, it is better than the organisation that created it.
Play on....
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Commander Glorn
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:22:00 -
[83]
bump I do no fear the horrors of war, but the unseen terrors of peace. |
Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:23:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Ripley Nostromo on 25/06/2011 12:23:42
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire whining
Get CCP's **** out of your mouth. Just because you don't mind being stomped all over by developers doesn't mean the rest of us are so spineless.
You think you are being "tough" do you. I'll bet CCP is laughing about a lot of this, customers who think they will tell the company how to run things. Adapt or pi$$ off whiner...
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:26:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire 2. Bunch of madhatters thinking the world is burning down and desiding to help by crashing nodes Solution; Ban them.
Yeah Jita last night was full of the truely pathetic. Never played wow but I was thinking this is what it must be like...
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Tekki Batalyon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:28:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire Ohh yes, sorry forgot to include solutions to problems...my bad.
1. Bunch of Emos, raging all over the place Solution; Ignore them. 2. Bunch of madhatters thinking the world is burning down and desiding to help by crashing nodes Solution; Ban them. 3. CQ Solution; Here CCP could have done a much better job, they could had waited another month to release it, atleast, its only half done and look like ****. 4. Vanity Items Solution; Hate them if you like, but dont at the same time argue that they are too expensive. Thats bigotry. 5. CSM being ignored by CCP Solution; Reread the charter for CSM, its an *drumroll* Advisory body. 6. An evolving world Solution; Play ...umm ..dead ?
Yeah, double up, that'll solve everything. The baliff's knocking at your door. Do you have bag packed and a tent?
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Tytilla
Caldari Distinguished Johnsons
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:29:00 -
[87]
Well constructed and worded points, Ms Freak. Well done and well put.
I would hope to see equally well constructed and worded responses from CCP.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:29:00 -
[88]
This is pretty accurate. I support this. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:30:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo Edited by: Ripley Nostromo on 25/06/2011 12:23:42
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire whining
Get CCP's **** out of your mouth. Just because you don't mind being stomped all over by developers doesn't mean the rest of us are so spineless.
You think you are being "tough" do you. I'll bet CCP is laughing about a lot of this, customers who think they will tell the company how to run things. Adapt or pi$$ off whiner...
You have absolutely no basis to tell me what, or how, I think. Your opinion is meaningless to me and to everyone else. If you would like to stick around and "adapt" to the ****hole that New Eden seems to be coming, you are more than welcome. It is certainly not my place to tell you whether you should or should not enjoy being milked for all you're worth. ________________
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Galigonge
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:32:00 -
[90]
Sitrep
CCP, you just released about $2.5m worth of work and it's been poorly received.
This is because:
- Eve is a game about spaceships. - Activities revolve around or contribute to the spaceships. - Incarna adds nothing to the spaceship game you have created. - There isn't enough "game" in Incarna for it to stand as a leap beyond the spaceships. - A lot of people are angry because you've put off other important spaceship improvements for this feature.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:32:00 -
[91]
Well done, sums it up nicely. -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Theviola Lin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:33:00 -
[92]
+1 ; Nice one OP.
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Carmoisine Bavaire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:35:00 -
[93]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire 2. Bunch of madhatters thinking the world is burning down and desiding to help by crashing nodes Solution; Ban them.
Yeah Jita last night was full of the truely pathetic. Never played wow but I was thinking this is what it must be like...
I have played Wow, and visiting Amarr last night i got this total flashback from playing Wow whe the LOTR movie Two Towers came out. I dont know what brings out the uneducated, stupid emos, that are so filled with fears they can not see logic or reason. But are completely willing to believe hearsay from some anon you never met before. Did not think I should see that in EVE though.
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Tytilla
Caldari Distinguished Johnsons
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:35:00 -
[94]
To those saying "shut up and live with it" and laugh at the idea of customers complaining to a supplier and it having an effect...
In the "real" world of commerce and industry, it has a heck of an effect, and this is commerce, is it not? It has to do with "visible status" and "branding". If the brand becomes tainted, through whatever, then that will stick. It's a lot more difficult to regain brand image once you've lost it.
I would suggest that things are, at the moment, recoverable. If things continue as some of the senior figures in CCP seem to want (assuming leaks are genuine), then a point is not to far in the future when the CCP brand will be so tainted that it will stick to whatever they try and do. It will become what they are always remembered for.
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Mike Voltage
Minmatar Majestic Trust
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:37:00 -
[95]
the only good post on this forum
/support "My God -- It's Full of Stars!"
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Thunder Jolt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:38:00 -
[96]
/Supported
I'm amazed to see CCP letting this ****storm get more intense. For the first time, I really hope they get what they deserve.
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Victoria Valadeus
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:38:00 -
[97]
Since I can't sticky, I'll do the next best thing.
Bump.
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Leetah Stormbringerr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:40:00 -
[98]
Ms Freak,
You get my support for a well written and well constructed thread that outlines most, if not all, of the concerns I have seen raised.
+1 This thread needs sticky!
I do like the Walking in Stations and the interaction of CQ. I don't mind the Avatar, as you can customise them to your hearts content. I do draw the line at Consumerism. I wear those $5 jeans, that $10 hoodie... do I care what the world thinks of me? Not one hoot! I find anything to do with fashion abhorrent. It is a market based on exaggerating people's fears and insecurities. So would I buy something from the NeX? Probably not. Though I might think about a custom ship skin... :o)
In reply to the odd post in here about non cosmetic items available from NeX. NO! I am presuming that items available will have bonuses/ability/performance beyond that of items in the game. As such it will produce an imbalance in the game play.
If those items were of the same level of bonus/ability/performance to the items in the game, I can't see a problem, as they would in effect be cosmetic.
In terms of the Dreadnought flying 2 day old player, yes, in effect you can use the existing game mechanisms to buy your way through to being 1337, but that doesn't make you a good pilot, and so your expensive new shiny toy will soon be vapour. If you use a non-game mechanism to purchase the char and his ships, then you are in violation of the EULA, and the full force of CCP should fall down on you, and does when ever they detect it.
I won't emoragequit. I'm quietly watching the events unfold. Yes, the leaked internal documents are a bit harsh, but then we as customers, were not the recipients. It is truth, and I've seen this in plenty of other threads, that companies in rl presume their customer base to be little more advanced than an amoeba on the intelligence scale, but turn a smiley obsequious face to customer whenever they have to face them. Read between the lines of the documents, though, and glean the conveyed content, not how that content was conveyed.
Watch my feet CCP. The moment I feel this game no longer supplies my entertainment needs, I will un-subscribe my rl money subscriptions (sic. plural), and it's pretty close to me walking. Again, CCP, how you handle this, and what you choose to fix will play a big part in my decision.
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Djavo
Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:42:00 -
[99]
Very well put Ms Freak.
+1
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DickbeardThePirate
Gallente Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:43:00 -
[100]
Edited by: ****beardThePirate on 25/06/2011 12:44:41
Originally by: Alpine 69 This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.
+1
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Murdah
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:51:00 -
[101]
+1
Good write-up. I hope that someone at CCP reads this!
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Raddick Tseng
Synergy Capital Management
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:54:00 -
[102]
OP pretty well summed up my complaints.
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:03:00 -
[103]
Now this is a post CCP should be able to answer without rotating around the question faster then the fastest fan on earth. - Dude where is my Charon? - |
Ian Novarider
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:09:00 -
[104]
Grats to the original Poster ... good thread
You might also want to adress the following quotes from Fearless :
"...On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performancebased items such as weapons.......Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so."
And contrary to what the dev blog claims, i am quite sure that this was NOT hypothetically speaking about extreme points of view. This IS the roadmap....
Quote: Ceterum censeo BoB delendam esse.
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Silvetar Jones
The Amber Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:09:00 -
[105]
Well Spoken, Ms Freak - There are many examples of failed companies in various industries who ignored their customers requests in order to propagate their "Vision". This arrogance was the reason for their demise.
+1
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Vanilla Ninja
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:11:00 -
[106]
+1
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Jonathan Priest
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:14:00 -
[107]
Well said.
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Cmdr Zander
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:16:00 -
[108]
+1
ZULU blog was really insulting... i cannot believe that one of EVE developers could write those things.... WHO is ZULU ? How u dare to tell us such things ??? you are insulting me as a player, as a subscriber but worst of it... as an INDIVIDUAL.
You want me to buy such things ? GO SEEK MONEY TO ANOTHER PLACE.
U WON'T HAVE MY MONEY ANYMORE ARROGANT ZULU. |
Kazimir Makkar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:18:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Kazimir Makkar on 25/06/2011 13:27:45 +1
Excellent thread.
CCP Fallout and Navigator, just print out that list and send it up to management. It quite nicely distills the ****storm down into the topics to that need to be addressed and how the community in general feels about them.
Oh, and have management listen to last night's eve-radio segment
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Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:19:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Lt Vanzi this needs to be stickied
Stickied? This needs to be in the orientation courses for new CCP employees (and in the refresher courses for the older ones) (c; ____________ nerf metagaming, boost fun |
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Kasriel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:20:00 -
[111]
pretty much spot on, there's only one thing missing and that's while the turrets do look good the icons do not
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Ginny Xuun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:25:00 -
[112]
+1, bump, please for the love of god read this CCP.
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Lavayar
Gallente Russian SOBR
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:27:00 -
[113]
Bump!
I hope that someone at CCP reads this!
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Marsaac
Minmatar Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:54:00 -
[114]
Bump for good thread, pretty much covers everything from a community point of view, really hope CCP reads this.
Da Fonk! |
Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:59:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Ripley Nostromo on 25/06/2011 14:02:43
Originally by: Terianna Eri You have absolutely no basis to tell me what, or how, I think. Your opinion is meaningless to me and to everyone else. If you would like to stick around and "adapt" to the ****hole that New Eden seems to be coming, you are more than welcome. It is certainly not my place to tell you whether you should or should not enjoy being milked for all you're worth.
You're a clown. I never told you what to think. I said CCP wont care. "Milked for all I'm worth?" I am actually worth a lot in RL. You can think what you like, you can have all the other whiners in agreement. Do you think your opinion means anything to CCP? They would laugh at you and will do what they want. Adapt or quit fewl....
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:00:00 -
[116]
Thanks for all the support and constructive comments. Lets hope we can keep it this way untill CCP have a response for us.
(I had to take the wife to the Supermarket and feared for my thread!! Never leae your threads alone people!! NEVER! )
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Holly Cleland
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:00:00 -
[117]
This is pretty much exactly how I feel, I've just been scouring these forums at the moment reading, and due to complete lack of a response am now 'pushed' enough to post, a very rare thing from me, even on an alt, please for god sakes listen to the OP.
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Zombatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:02:00 -
[118]
Very nice.
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Sum Olgy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:05:00 -
[119]
Best thread so far.
Please sticky this.
The *one* over-riding issue for me is being able to buy combat items with real world cash. Words cannot express how much I dislike this and it will mean me leaving the game if/when it is implemented. Buying vanity items is just fine but being able to buy an advantage in combat with a credit card is not for me.
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Nin Kimrov
Minmatar Kenzi Arms and Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:06:00 -
[120]
I approve this message and I urge CCP to answer it.
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Zirator
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:07:00 -
[121]
+1
This post deserves a sticky, the OP clearly put more time, effort and heart in the writing of this topic then Zulu in his blog yesterday.
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Ramingo
Caldari Payable on Death
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:07:00 -
[122]
+1 good thread
CCP should just get that stick out of their behinds and forget about a shoddy expansion every 6 months and instead focus on repairing what's broken, even if it takes a year - there are plenty of threads regarding the bugs relating to each section of EvE and a lot of them are easily implemented.
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Onim Dupont
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:09:00 -
[123]
+1
Very well said.
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:14:00 -
[124]
Very well put. CCP if you claim there is too much RAGE in the other threads - this is what you need to pay attention to.
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Amoes Sten
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:25:00 -
[125]
I have a suggestion for you. There is an editing error when referring to the issue with SWG. It is SWG's NGE not NPE. Its fairly important.
Otherwise great thread, keep up the fine work.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:26:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Ms Freak @CCP Fallout/Penn
Guys - if you've read this can you acknowledge/apply glue or something please? (Cheeky i know) as the sheer volume of forum chrun is pushing this too far down too quickly.
I think if people see there is a potential for a simple response in a calm controlled way then things may settle down a bit.
Thanks
@CCP Anyone,
Please? Pretty Please?
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:28:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Amoes Sten I have a suggestion for you. There is an editing error when referring to the issue with SWG. It is SWG's NGE not NPE. Its fairly important.
Otherwise great thread, keep up the fine work.
Fixed. Thanks.
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AeonthePiglet
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:33:00 -
[128]
Posting to support this bread. Jokes aside, this manbearpig right here wrote what I was thinking.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:41:00 -
[129]
Good topic... looks kind of like what CCP would be doing if they actually cared...
You should add to the list the ship fitting nerf (down from infinite on own pc to measly 50 on server)... not because they did anything about it in this patch (although they should)... but because they apparently are thinking about selling us back for MT functionality we had before for free...
Also design implementation of CQ looks purpose made to ignore the backstory and kill immersion... I.E. pod on end of balcony instead of in own room, forced entry on every dock, lack of facilities found in even the most run down and crappy motel room (no toilet, shower, Coffey machine ect)... Clothing changed by magic mirror... as opposed to having some kind of closet with clothes in or something... Forced to retake portrait every time you changed outfit/makeup, because you need a new driver's licence photo every time you get dressed in the morning, or change clothes after work... The UI opens up windows that cover the view... which is fine in the pod as the view is a computer feed generated by the pod, you expect that kind of stuff... but when walking around you expect things to work in the environment, not cover it up... highly immersion breaking, as well as being bad design and clumsy to use... The fact that they were expecting us to pay extra RL cash... and not in small amounts either... for clothing and accessories for our avatars is immersion breaking... and does not support the in game player driven market...
Those are my additions for now... I would also add I agree with all the points in the OP up to the point I posted this...
Might add more later. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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aspia albstein
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:42:00 -
[130]
My monocle fell into pieces after reading that post!
+1
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Felo Maxun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:45:00 -
[131]
+1 for devs giving this glue, you want to know the issues , they are here! Done want to listen ? Your loss!
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Quazik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:53:00 -
[132]
+1
Concise and comprehensive. Stickying this thread would be an excellent first step in addressing community concerns.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:56:00 -
[133]
This needs too be stickyed. It's really too bad ccp doesn't care about their game anymore and will ignore this feedback like they ignored all the feedback leading up to the patch. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac" |
Felo Maxun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:59:00 -
[134]
Its true, adding glue and opening a dialogue through this thread would be a good approach by ccp. But I expect silence till Monday
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Tesla Helix
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:08:00 -
[135]
Concise and well written, bump for you.
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Neville Smit
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:10:00 -
[136]
+1
New EVE player? Join me in Eve University! |
Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:11:00 -
[137]
I support OP!
stick this
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jita moneymaker
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:11:00 -
[138]
agree with this except for issue 2, you need to make some polling
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Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:13:00 -
[139]
Yes, but it's just more words, words that were predictable, and mean less. It means more to act. Go act.
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Lanu
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:13:00 -
[140]
+1
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Report
Amarr Little Big Newbs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:16:00 -
[141]
+1
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Voila Flame
CryoCycle Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:19:00 -
[142]
I'd like some sort of response on the disconnect from reality in CCP Zulu's post. Nothing in Eve is on 'boutique' level of quality, or desirability. Asside from the fact that when you 'buy' something in Eve, you don't actually gain ownership of anything, just the access to it which is dependant on your continued subscription (with the finite date of whenever Eve finally shuts down), Macro Transactions DON'T WORK! Are you seriously proud of a .001% community uptake of expansion content? Seriously?!?
2nd Seriously?!? moment... You think your pixels of an eye glass are worth the cost of a new release collectors edition game, that is a complete product? SERIOUSLY!?!
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PotatoOverdose
Caldari Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:23:00 -
[143]
+1 To the top.
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smertz
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:24:00 -
[144]
well written +1
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Oneeyed Badger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:24:00 -
[145]
+1 Excellent post though this list has been available on multiple thread in one form or another I am grateful for it to be in a concise fourm thread.
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Lee Guien
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:24:00 -
[146]
+1 to OP
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ZOGYBOY
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:29:00 -
[147]
Edited by: ZOGYBOY on 25/06/2011 15:29:40 Defenetly the biggest crap i've lived to see in eve. What normal person would benefit from a static image with a door when disabeling Station Environment? I mean.....WTF? Are you serious CCP? I submitted a petition, got no answer. Probably they are still trying to figure out what they whanted to achieve with that Door lolz. Old station environment was great. The new one is eating my GPU and gives me with low settings framerates of 7-8 fps. My pc is not new, but....i played other games like F.E.A.R or Crysis and didn;t enouter problems with FPS. Anyway, CQ is defnetly a missed target with absolutly no use to us players. And AURUM? Let it be, CCP will soon notice it's absolutly unnecessary. A bunch of coding with no use.
CCP should sell this game to a company that can handle such a massive multiplayer game. It's a shame this game idea is laying in the wrong hands and easy going down :(
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Sirinda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:30:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Sirinda on 25/06/2011 15:30:40 Very well thought-out post.
I think you forgot none of the main issues, and I'm positively surprised at least a few have kept their cool, so that this giant clusterf*ck may eventually be handled. If CCP choose to do that, that is. And the way they're behaving right now, I doubt that'll be happening soon.
They will have to at some point, unless they want to turn Eve into a withered husk like SWG turned out to be.
The playerbase is key. If the old players run away, what is there to keep the new ones in the game? I've made quite a few friends ingame, and I've just played for less than a year. If everyone I know ingame were to suddenly throw the towel because they got fed up with CCP's antics, I know what I'd do.
I think the principle of what would happen is generally being referred to as the 'butterfly effect'.
To be honest, I don't care about your NeX store and the overpriced items therein. I don't care about CQ, especially the way it is now - utterly useless from a gameplay perspective.
What I do care about are internet spaceships and...wait for it...the Eve economy.
Somebody gets raw materials, refines them, builds stuff from them, then sells said goods. Wherever the ISK used to buy them came from, it didn't circumvent the market. What I care about most is getting the guarantee you'll stay away from ships, SP, remaps, new types of ammo and uber mods for real money. Because that would mean paying to win.
The only other thing coming to mind now is speculation about the certain CCP employees' ancestry, so I'll leave it at that. I hope somebody will pick the more interesting bits out of my post, if needed.
Sirinda
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Ellariona
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:30:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Ellariona on 25/06/2011 15:34:27 Edited by: Ellariona on 25/06/2011 15:33:01
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo Edited by: Ripley Nostromo on 25/06/2011 12:23:42
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire whining
Get CCP's **** out of your mouth. Just because you don't mind being stomped all over by developers doesn't mean the rest of us are so spineless.
You think you are being "tough" do you. I'll bet CCP is laughing about a lot of this, customers who think they will tell the company how to run things. Adapt or pi$$ off whiner...
We can only try to advise against this selfdestructive path CCP is steering EVE into. If you have a problem with that, you are truly ******ed.
Now everyone please quit the pro and con RAGE and just help this thread get an answer from CCP.
edit: And basically, this thread is just the tl;dr version of this letter
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Ioana Cristea
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:33:00 -
[150]
+1
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:34:00 -
[151]
To the "CCP Communication" part you should add "several occations of lies" from CCP side. CCP's stance on MT is one thing that got multiple lies, and CCP lying to CSM who was instated purely to give us transparency is another thing.
The repeated lies is the worst of the bad things they have done recently. -
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Cpt Xao
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:38:00 -
[152]
Very good. up
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London
Imminent Ruin Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:41:00 -
[153]
Excellent write-up, I applaud you sir.
.................................................................. Create a Starship contest entry: Naga Frigate |
ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:43:00 -
[154]
CCP had their chance. They said screw you!!! We tried to talk to them before the the protest. They said STFU sit down and go to the dollhouse and buy a monocle. The protesters have all had their accounts cancelled already. We are just making eve crappy for everyone else until we leave
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Chingyz
Caldari Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:44:00 -
[155]
I have some concerns that don't really fall unde the issues listed.
I've always played EVE because of the sandbox with player driven economy. With the introduction of the NEX store and the plans they seem to have for Dust 514 I'm worried that EVE is moving away from a player driven economy. Vanity items and everything else that might be introduced to the NEX store is not player made.
Dust 514 was supposed to be tied in with EVE and PI was supposed to be a part of supplying the Dust 514 players, however it seems that CCP is going to use a microtransaction apporach to Dust 514 and I'm worried how that will affect PI and the products made from PI.
In my oppinion they should have made blueprints for people to buy so that vanity items etc. would be made by the players strengthening the playerdriven econommy rather as it is now, weakening it.
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Razires
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:53:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Razires on 25/06/2011 15:53:33 +1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:06:00 -
[157]
Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS CCP had their chance. They said screw you!!! We tried to talk to them before the the protest. They said STFU sit down and go to the dollhouse and buy a monocle. The protesters have all had their accounts cancelled already. We are just making eve crappy for everyone else until we leave
Guys - please I'm trying to keep this thread free of this sort of thing so that CCP at least have a chance of replying to a post that is not full of hate and rage.
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Vultaras
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:14:00 -
[158]
+1
CCP, WE ARE who gives you thick personal wallet with Euros, so you better please respond. Your silence shows only disrespect and proves everything what is stated in this thread.
Thank you.
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Marsaac
Minmatar Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:31:00 -
[159]
Bump so more people can read this excellent thread.
Da Fonk! |
Gracron
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:36:00 -
[160]
+1
Well put and worded
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bishop841B
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:36:00 -
[161]
+1, support op!
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Lordess Trader
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:43:00 -
[162]
+1
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Raven God
Texas Inc. THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:56:00 -
[163]
bump
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Akira Zendragon
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:02:00 -
[164]
+1
This is a very clear and concise summary of the issues at hand.
Mods: Please sticky?
CCP: Please read this carefully. If there is anything unclear about this, I'm sure the CSM can offer all the additional information you require. After having thoroughly assimilated these concerns, please address them in one or more Dev Blogs that actually address these issues instead of dismissing them offhand. --- Akira Zendragon CCP: Please read this http://pastie.org/pastes/2118574 |
Aruk Jr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:08:00 -
[165]
+1
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Rocom
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:09:00 -
[166]
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
The reviews left by CCP employees about upper-level management just left me speechless... |
Fennore
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:14:00 -
[167]
+1
I concur. This is as strait forward as it gets.
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Ghazi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:15:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Noran Ferah Without a monocle, you just will not be taken seriously.
Where is your passion? Your commitment?
In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.
Please can we keep this constructive so that CCP may have a chance at addressing this situation ina way to everyone liking?
This thread is not "Feigned outrage" it is clear, thought-out constructive questioning. And i would like to keep it that way if at all possible.
Never knew I would be so proud to know you, brother. Keep up the good work. +1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Ghazi
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Noran Ferah Without a monocle, you just will not be taken seriously.
Where is your passion? Your commitment?
In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.
Please can we keep this constructive so that CCP may have a chance at addressing this situation ina way to everyone liking?
This thread is not "Feigned outrage" it is clear, thought-out constructive questioning. And i would like to keep it that way if at all possible.
Never knew I would be so proud to know you, brother. Keep up the good work. +1
I have no idea if i should kiss you or hit you (probably one followed by the other!!)
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Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 -
[170]
Bump
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Fuzojix
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:20:00 -
[171]
+1, very well written
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Malice Redeemer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:21:00 -
[172]
agreed
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Tira Sturm
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:23:00 -
[173]
This is a good summary
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Jimbob Jumbo
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:23:00 -
[174]
No mention of the mining / ratting macro and botting that plagues null sec? This is as detrimental to Eve than all this latest BS. Yet CCP do very little and 1d or 7d bans for 0.0001% of those caught do not go far enough.
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Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:23:00 -
[175]
very nicely summarized op.
not so ccp. 52 monos sold! well great news, in the short run.
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Marhaba
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:24:00 -
[176]
Stated very clearly, thank you.
I just want to add one thing to the reason why I want CQ to be optional, and I want the hangar view back:
CQ just feels like an advertisement for the NEX store. There is no real functionality to the CQ, but there is a link to buy new items, and a mirror. That's great for some people, but forcing me to either view this advertisement or stare at a static jpeg of a door every time I dock is bothersome.
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Matah Hari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:25:00 -
[177]
+1 Good post OP and I hope it gets the sticky.
I would reword the following though:
"òIt states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe." The memo doesn't "state" this will be the plan of action (at least not explicitly), so they can easily answer this point by saying the memo is just a debate of ideas or possibilities. This should be stated more in the lines of "why is this even being considered even though you know how the players feel about it". Or something like that.
Thank you
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:27:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Jimbob Jumbo No mention of the mining / ratting macro and botting that plagues null sec? This is as detrimental to Eve than all this latest BS. Yet CCP do very little and 1d or 7d bans for 0.0001% of those caught do not go far enough.
We all here have various issues with EvE and RMT is probably high on most peoples list.
However, we are currently trying to politely ask CCP to help us understand thier actions and re-actions regarding the Incarna release and with any luck they may be reading this thread and going "Ok - they are not being unreasonable, lets get a response together". Thanks for the bump and support
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:31:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Matah Hari +1 Good post OP and I hope it gets the sticky.
I would reword the following though:
"òIt states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe." The memo doesn't "state" this will be the plan of action (at least not explicitly), so they can easily answer this point by saying the memo is just a debate of ideas or possibilities. This should be stated more in the lines of "why is this even being considered even though you know how the players feel about it". Or something like that.
Thank you
The following excert was taken from Page 5 of "Greed is Good?" and starts in the middile of the last paragraph on the right hand side.
"Thus, we will not and cannot focus on virtual sales only within the Incarna environment, nor build that environment around such sales; rather, we will effect a universal strategy of micro-sales throughout the EVE experience. So, as a player, while you are inside a station, you will find gameplay that links to other aspects of the game and that also presents you with virtual purchasing opportunities ù just as you will while you are in space or on a planet fighting as a DUST merc."
Thanks for the support and keeping it constructive
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News Group
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:34:00 -
[180]
+1
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Bischopt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:35:00 -
[181]
Nice post by OP but I still dont agree. I dont think ccp should make us pay for any items in eve as long as they're getting the monthly sub fee from us. Lowering the NeX prices isnt good enough.
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Bilifur
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:41:00 -
[182]
Bumped
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Quacka
Minmatar Dark Tree Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:42:00 -
[183]
Very well structured post. Well done.
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Mystical Might
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:43:00 -
[184]
+1
I don't mind about vanity items, or the CQ. I actually think the CQ is pretty nice, and as of right now the vanity items which are sold have absolutely to effect on me what so ever.
Im giving this a +1 because the OP didn't ragepost about quitting, and start swearing at CCP for doing what they think is a good move for their game, without consulting the player base.
Hope this stops all the rage, and that CCP take note for future expansions and NEX ideas.
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Ragnar Wintermute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 -
[185]
Gaaaah, do I have to repost this everywhere? The thread kind of fails to address my issue which I'm really praying is shared by atleast some of the other players...
The entire game is centered around one massive economy that the thousands of players all interface and interact with in a thousand different clever and not so clever ways. This expansion was advertised as an opportunity for the players to have new chains of industry, professions, and all the other emergent experiences that come with it being a natural extension of the PLAYER based economy. Instead CCP grabbed it as an opportunity to line their own pockets at the expense of the quality of their product. They are essentially entering their own games economy!
They also mention providing new ships, ammo, etc to the game via real money. They don't realize the fact that the ships made by the players are mined from raw asteroids, processed, traded, speculated on, refined, manufactured into ships with the help player copied blueprints, and so on for every miniscule aspect of the game. What do all these players do when people just start buying better products directly from CCP using real money? Do they just sit around and do nothing or start having to spend more money on top of their subscription to enjoy the game and maybe be competitive?
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Matah Hari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:45:12 Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Matah Hari +1 Good post OP and I hope it gets the sticky.
I would reword the following though:
"òIt states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe." The memo doesn't "state" this will be the plan of action (at least not explicitly), so they can easily answer this point by saying the memo is just a debate of ideas or possibilities. This should be stated more in the lines of "why is this even being considered even though you know how the players feel about it". Or something like that.
Thank you
The following excert was taken from Page 5 of "Greed is Good?" and starts in the middile of the last paragraph on the right hand side.
"Thus, we will not and cannot focus on virtual sales only within the Incarna environment, nor build that environment around such sales; rather, we will effect a universal strategy of micro-sales throughout the EVE experience. So, as a player, while you are inside a station, you will find gameplay that links to other aspects of the game and that also presents you with virtual purchasing opportunities ù just as you will while you are in space or on a planet fighting as a DUST merc."
Thanks for the support and keeping it constructive
In a completely constructive way:
Yes I know what the memo says, but we're trying to get a possitive response from CCP. And saying the memo "states" something would be a step backwards, since they already said the memo was only the opinions of the people who wrote it and does not represent CCP's "plan". I'm not saying 'I' believe that, I'm just saying what they, in their small little heads, regard this as the truth and might dissregard your post because of the wording.
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Fuzojix
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:49:00 -
[187]
Bumped, keep this **** at the top.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:54:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Matah Hari Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:45:12 Edited by: Matah Hari on 25/06/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Matah Hari +1 Good post OP and I hope it gets the sticky.
I would reword the following though:
"òIt states MT will be in ALL areas of the EvE Universe." The memo doesn't "state" this will be the plan of action (at least not explicitly), so they can easily answer this point by saying the memo is just a debate of ideas or possibilities. This should be stated more in the lines of "why is this even being considered even though you know how the players feel about it". Or something like that.
Thank you
The following excert was taken from Page 5 of "Greed is Good?" and starts in the middile of the last paragraph on the right hand side.
*snip*
Thanks for the support and keeping it constructive
In a completely constructive way:
Yes I know what the memo says, but we're trying to get a possitive response from CCP. And saying the memo "states" something would be a step backwards, since they already said the memo was only the opinions of the people who wrote it and does not represent CCP's "plan". I'm not saying 'I' believe that, I'm just saying what they, in their small little heads, regard this as the truth and might dissregard your post because of the wording.
Good point. Well Made. I'll change it
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Larissa Sunsorrow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:54:00 -
[189]
bumpage.
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Matah Hari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:01:00 -
[190]
Awesome, now lets try and make this post the first thing CCP reads monday morning (if it's true they are not working right now). |
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:03:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 18:03:45
Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute Gaaaah, do I have to repost this everywhere? The thread kind of fails to address my issue which I'm really praying is shared by atleast some of the other players...
The entire game is centered around one massive economy that the thousands of players all interface and interact with in a thousand different clever and not so clever ways. This expansion was advertised as an opportunity for the players to have new chains of industry, professions, and all the other emergent experiences that come with it being a natural extension of the PLAYER based economy. Instead CCP grabbed it as an opportunity to line their own pockets at the expense of the quality of their product. They are essentially entering their own games economy!
They also mention providing new ships, ammo, etc to the game via real money. They don't realize the fact that the ships made by the players are mined from raw asteroids, processed, traded, speculated on, refined, manufactured into ships with the help player copied blueprints, and so on for every miniscule aspect of the game. What do all these players do when people just start buying better products directly from CCP using real money? Do they just sit around and do nothing or start having to spend more money on top of their subscription to enjoy the game and maybe be competitive?
If i may: I think that if you step back a little and think about the exact issues in more detail, which indeed are exactly what everyone else is concerned about (see, you aren't alone!), you'll find most of them in the OP
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Sgt Maru
Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:12:00 -
[192]
+1 /signed
There's nothing I don't agree with. You've also laid everything out in a clear concise manner appropriate for a business environment, if CCP ignores this then all hope is lost.
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Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:19:00 -
[193]
For great bumpage +1 as well, these are the main issues that are being sidestepped, tapdanced around.
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Servant 101
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:36:00 -
[194]
+1
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Komen
Gallente The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:42:00 -
[195]
The issues listed are exactly those I have. Thank you.
+1 from me.
I too love this game, and do not want to see Greed destroy it.
Greed is good? No, not ever. Fair pricing for services offered, THAT is good. Offering quality services at competitive prices? That's even better.
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meollyn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:46:00 -
[196]
+1 well done Ms Freak
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Cosmic Jaloga
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:54:00 -
[197]
Aside from a few grammar errors this thread summarizes the problem quite well. +1
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:57:00 -
[198]
please sticky this
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Sage Volta
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 -
[199]
Please Stick
Great Informative Post
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 -
[200]
add new issue
certain skills not being taken into effect when boarding ships in space example when boarding an ishtar in space the drone bay does not increase in size when you have trained up heavy assault skill
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Tytilla
Caldari Distinguished Johnsons
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:00:00 -
[201]
+1
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LIOZTH
Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:11:00 -
[202]
/I Support this!
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Caelestis Starcaller
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:13:00 -
[203]
Issue 1 Ship spinning Community awnser = Get a life
Issue 2 NeX Prices Community awnser = who cares
Issue 3 MT & Features Community awnser = Its soundwaves personal thought in an internal document not freaking company policy
Issue 4 CCP Zulu's Blog Community awnser = 500 pages of flames and you expect an awnser? /facepalm
Issue 5 CQ Community awnser = Clean the dmn dust out of your fans before you whine about heat. Overheating is a hardware issue not something you can create with software you idiots
Issue 6 Broken & Stealth Community awnser = most have been fixed and so what that you cant be unprobable anymore. Now stealth actually gets more added value as a feature.
Issue 7 Communication Community awnser = ya thats right go protest to someting that hasnt even been done and in the proces cripple the economy for your fellow players. Like this really hurts CCP..... It hurts us you idiots. What point is there in communicating with an angry mob of idiots.
Issue 8 Hilmar Community awnser = Perfectly good motivational email for employees nothing bad about it in any way
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Swren1
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:15:00 -
[204]
+1
Excellent thread, addresses all issues
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:17:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller *Snip* ........... *Snip*
I total appreciate that everyone has a different stand point and this post (and indeed me) do mnot represent everyone's opinion.
That said, People have been doing a great job keeping this thread constructive and although your opinion would be welcome, trolling (or whatever that was) isn't either helpful or welcome.
Please try and be contructive so that those that want answers could indeed try and get some.
Thanks.
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Caelestis Starcaller
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:18:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller *Snip* ........... *Snip*
I total appreciate that everyone has a different stand point and this post (and indeed me) do mnot represent everyone's opinion.
That said, People have been doing a great job keeping this thread constructive and although your opinion would be welcome, trolling (or whatever that was) isn't either helpful or welcome.
Please try and be contructive so that those that want answers could indeed try and get some.
Thanks.
being polite doesnt automatically mean your constructive in anyway
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Zelphinine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:19:00 -
[207]
I would strongly suggest that anyone speaking to the gaming press, stop hammering on just the MT and ridiculous clothing prices in specific and instead talk about the meta-issue; that being that CCP is basically raking in EVE money to support the development of two other games while giving very little back to EVE, and has been for well over a year and has little evident plans to do so in the future.
tl; dr: People are mad that CCP is taking our money and not supporting EVE.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:19:00 -
[208]
Current System:
If you buy uber elite modules and ships in game, even if you use Isk from PLEX sale, at some point, a PLAYER had grind out that Isk you are spending, and PLAYER had to hunt down and kill that officer for that drop.
AUR system:
Stuff appears out of thin air in exchange for RL cash, no PLAYER EFFORT involved ANYWHERE.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Whiteknight03
Theoretical Research
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:22:00 -
[209]
Great list, supported!
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Vyper Harkonnen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:23:00 -
[210]
YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT NON-VANITY ITEMS!
CCP has clearly demonstrated that if you don't physically shove something in their face then they will ignore it. OP needs to add more clearly defined concerns about pay to win items.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:24:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
Issue 3 MT & Features Community awnser = Its soundwaves personal thought in an internal document not freaking company policy
Issue 4 CCP Zulu's Blog Community awnser = 500 pages of flames and you expect an awnser? /facepalm
Issue 6 Broken & Stealth Community awnser = most have been fixed and so what that you cant be unprobable anymore. Now stealth actually gets more added value as a feature.
Issue 7 Communication Community awnser = ya thats right go protest to someting that hasnt even been done and in the proces cripple the economy for your fellow players. Like this really hurts CCP..... It hurts us you idiots. What point is there in communicating with an angry mob of idiots.
I wish to appologise for biting at this particular post however, In reply to your post:
Issue 3: I didn't mention any names and neither did i suggest it was anything other than what you stated.
Issue 4: Again, i have stated clearly, numerous times that this post has been created to create calm instead of need 500-page flame fests. Your point is exactly why a controlled thread such as this is needed.
Issue 6: Did i mention the unprobable change? I don't recall doing so....?
Issue 7: No-where in this entire thread is there mention of "protest". This thread is exactly what it says on the tin "A Clear and Consice request for CCP to address some customer concerns in order to stop the current madness".
If something isn't clear then please point it out and i will adjust the post as i have been doing all day as constructive comments are made.
@everyone else: Sorry he just made me mad
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:26:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Vyper Harkonnen YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT NON-VANITY ITEMS!
CCP has clearly demonstrated that if you don't physically shove something in their face then they will ignore it. OP needs to add more clearly defined concerns about pay to win items.
I am sure that CCP are aware of this concern and I have made reference to this very issue in the two sections appropriate.
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Vyper Harkonnen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:27:00 -
[213]
bump! keep this at the top of the forums!
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Holly Cleland
Special Operations Foxhound
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:31:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Ms Freak @everyone else: Sorry he just made me mad
It's understandable, bump for common sense.
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yokozuno
Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:37:00 -
[215]
great post. Nice recap of the community worries..
I would like though.. Add the non-vanity issue and make it a complete list. don¦t give em an easy way out on that huge bomb.
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Caelestis Starcaller
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:39:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Caelestis Starcaller on 25/06/2011 19:42:38
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
Issue 3 MT & Features Community awnser = Its soundwaves personal thought in an internal document not freaking company policy
Issue 4 CCP Zulu's Blog Community awnser = 500 pages of flames and you expect an awnser? /facepalm
Issue 6 Broken & Stealth Community awnser = most have been fixed and so what that you cant be unprobable anymore. Now stealth actually gets more added value as a feature.
Issue 7 Communication Community awnser = ya thats right go protest to someting that hasnt even been done and in the proces cripple the economy for your fellow players. Like this really hurts CCP..... It hurts us you idiots. What point is there in communicating with an angry mob of idiots.
I wish to appologise for biting at this particular post however, In reply to your post:
Issue 3: I didn't mention any names and neither did i suggest it was anything other than what you stated.
Issue 4: Again, i have stated clearly, numerous times that this post has been created to create calm instead of need 500-page flame fests. Your point is exactly why a controlled thread such as this is needed.
Issue 6: Did i mention the unprobable change? I don't recall doing so....?
Issue 7: No-where in this entire thread is there mention of "protest". This thread is exactly what it says on the tin "A Clear and Consice request for CCP to address some customer concerns in order to stop the current madness".
If something isn't clear then please point it out and i will adjust the post as i have been doing all day as constructive comments are made.
@everyone else: Sorry he just made me mad
Good then we are on an equal footing
As far as point 3 goes i actually took the time to read the document in question and am refering to what everyone is making a fuse about therefor i NAME the name not globally hide behind words.
Post something that is worth mentioning and we can be civil but your rant of colorful junk is complete bogus and also the reason why it will never be sticky-ed
All you protesters are ruining the fun for everyone else. How about wait for CCP to get back from the weekend get a clear head and start from scratch with stuff that makes sense.
It not like the world is gonna end tomorrow if you don't get your answers now.
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C0SMIC GIRL
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:41:00 -
[217]
+1 pretty much says it all, good post. Take heed ccp, dont bite the hand that feeds you.
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Cz Ire
Minmatar The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:41:00 -
[218]
+1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:43:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
*Snip*
*Snip*
@everyone else: Sorry he just made me mad
Good then we are on an equal footing Post something that is worth mentioning and we can be civil but your rant of colorful junk is complete bogus and also the reason why it will never be sticky-ed
All you protesters are ruining the fun for everyone else. How about wait for CCP to get back from the weekend get a clear head and start from scratch with stuff that makes sense.
It not like the world is gonna end tomorrow if you don't get your answers now.
Sorry but:
1) The OP's are not "a rant". 2) No-one here is condoning the "protests", i certainly am not. 3) "This" is not a "protest" (well i dont think it is?) 4) No, the world will not end tomorrow.
I'm really not going to respond to your posts any further unless you can be more constructive. Thanks.
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Andares Sol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:45:00 -
[220]
+1
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Ardasia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:47:00 -
[221]
+1
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Marhaba
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:47:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller Issue 1 Ship spinning Community awnser = Get a life
You do realize it has little to do with ship spinning and a lot to do with loss of functionality, right? By characterizing the problem as "ship spinning," you're showing your bias.
The hangar view was functional and loaded quickly. Instead that has been completely scrapped and replaced with something either almost as quick with NO functionality (door wallpaper), or almost as functional and MUCH slower (Captains Quarters).
This is completely ignoring the fact that CQ is little more than an advertisement for NEX items. Being forced into this advertisement at the expense of our well-polished hangar view is a bit of a slap in the face
I fail how "getting a life" would address either of those issues.
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Caelestis Starcaller
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:49:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
*Snip*
*Snip*
@everyone else: Sorry he just made me mad
Good then we are on an equal footing Post something that is worth mentioning and we can be civil but your rant of colorful junk is complete bogus and also the reason why it will never be sticky-ed
All you protesters are ruining the fun for everyone else. How about wait for CCP to get back from the weekend get a clear head and start from scratch with stuff that makes sense.
It not like the world is gonna end tomorrow if you don't get your answers now.
Sorry but:
1) The OP's are not "a rant". 2) No-one here is condoning the "protests", i certainly am not. 3) "This" is not a "protest" (well i dont think it is?) 4) No, the world will not end tomorrow.
I'm really not going to respond to your posts any further unless you can be more constructive. Thanks.
You make a post stating 8 issues that everyone is crying about atm and locking down the tradehub because of that and you dont condone the protest??? now you got me confused. I guess the only way to be constructive is if i agree with you right?
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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:49:00 -
[224]
Ms Freak, Thank you so much for not making another rage thread. If we want CCP to treat us like adults we need to stop acting like children.
I vote to sticky this thread until the majority of players are happy.
Everything you said was wrong with EVE and CCP, was completely true. -Pete
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:55:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Caelestis Starcaller
You make a post stating 8 issues that everyone is crying about atm and locking down the tradehub because of that and you dont condone the protest??? now you got me confused. I guess the only way to be constructive is if i agree with you right?
Not at all. Just because i don't think CCP are being fair to thier customers doesn't mean i want to encourage them to bring EvE it to its knees!
There are ways and means of resolving issues. Protesting to everyone's detriment is not one of them in my opinion.
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Tkala
True Soldier Of Liberty
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:55:00 -
[226]
Ms Freak you are spot on. CCP i realy am to old to be treated this way as a costumer I realy would like to push the "undo cancel subscription" button cause this game is great and still has huge potential for the future. MAKE THINGS RIGHT
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Tek Handle
Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:57:00 -
[227]
+1 | Vote for Sticky | TY Ms Freak
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Myobi Rush
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:58:00 -
[228]
The whole situation is out of control that I fear for the future of EVE. I seriously hope there will be a resolution. I love this game too much to rage quit, however the moment I see game changing for real money... I'm gone. I left Team Fortress 2 for that very reason.
Real money for vanity item... I'm alright with to a certain degree. At this rate I suppose we can expect stripper pole costing 30 PLEX, Different couch for 25 PLEX, and ship paints for 10 PLEX... Thats going too far.
Don't get me wrong... I've played Second Life for years and spent hundreds on it. The prices there is much more acceptable.
Please... PLEASE hear us out CCP! Don't ignore/disrespect your loyal customers.
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Steph Wing
Gallente Transfixion Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:58:00 -
[229]
+1
Keep this thread bumped.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:59:00 -
[230]
Originally by: TheButcherPete Ms Freak, Thank you so much for not making another rage thread. If we want CCP to treat us like adults we need to stop acting like children.
I vote to sticky this thread until the majority of players are happy.
Everything you said was wrong with EVE and CCP, was completely true. -Pete
Your quite welcome Pete. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:01:00 -
[231]
+1 --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:03:00 -
[232]
CCP got it wrong.
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:03:00 -
[233]
This is a good thread.
Bump.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:05:00 -
[234]
If the OP replaces the word 'community' with 'narrow minded, insular bunch of whiny forum ****ants that think they talk for the majority' I will consider giving the motion to stick my grudging support.
Mr Epeen
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Leisen
Caldari Interrobang Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:07:00 -
[235]
Sticky.
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Caelestis Starcaller
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:07:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Mr Epeen If the OP replaces the word 'community' with 'narrow minded, insular bunch of whiny forum ****ants that think they talk for the majority' I will consider giving the motion to stick my grudging support.
Mr Epeen
Hehe +1 :P
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Nepcrosia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:08:00 -
[237]
+1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:09:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Mr Epeen If the OP replaces the word 'community' with 'narrow minded, insular bunch of whiny forum ****ants that think they talk for the majority' I will consider giving the motion to stick my grudging support.
Mr Epeen
I actually did 'LOL' at that... seriously i did!
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D4rkM4773r
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:13:00 -
[239]
+1 to the OP this addresses all the issues.
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Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:16:00 -
[240]
Well put, OP.
The quality of your posting is admirable.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:16:00 -
[241]
Great post OP, sums it all up nicely.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna |
Chandler Estidal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:17:00 -
[242]
+100
Sticky please.
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Faisal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:31:00 -
[243]
+1 for constructive and usable thread.
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Hastrin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:35:00 -
[244]
+1. lets hope ccp finally comes out of its cave and starts a conversation with the community. falling silent is probebly the worst they can do
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Aesop Glock
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:40:00 -
[245]
+1 good job OP for hitting the nail on the head!
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Tytilla
Caldari Distinguished Johnsons
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:05:00 -
[246]
I just hope it works and the questions are answered politely, accurately and fully.
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Svennig
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:07:00 -
[247]
Signed.
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Tachibana Kanade
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:08:00 -
[248]
Mega bump
+1
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Lt Vanzi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:16:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Lt Vanzi on 25/06/2011 21:16:18 +1
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Zevas
Infinite Origins
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:19:00 -
[250]
/Signed
Back up we go!
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Larik Olen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:23:00 -
[251]
Wholeheartedly support the OP. Zulu's blog and Hilmar's leaked email, combined with the vast and extensive list of broken promises, lack of iteration on key features, ludicrous NEX prices and some quite frankly **** expansions with little to no actual content are the straw that broke the camel's back.
CCP HAS TO CHANGE.
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Zeemo Zhang
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:28:00 -
[252]
More than anything, I'm disappointed with the blog and mail. It's one thing to put out a less than expected expansion. It's another to act like it's okay.
+1 to OP. Thanks for such a concise list of grievances.
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AureuSZ
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:29:00 -
[253]
I'd like to add on the communication side, that if CCP would have handled this better in the first place, players wouldn't have been so upset, they would just have had some cancelled accounts and thats it.
Now they even banned some players.
I'd like all bans performed in this debacle to be reactivated as a proof of good will.
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Ragnar Wintermute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:31:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Ms Freak Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 18:03:45
Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute Gaaaah, do I have to repost this everywhere? The thread kind of fails to address my issue which I'm really praying is shared by atleast some of the other players...
The entire game is centered around one massive economy that the thousands of players all interface and interact with in a thousand different clever and not so clever ways. This expansion was advertised as an opportunity for the players to have new chains of industry, professions, and all the other emergent experiences that come with it being a natural extension of the PLAYER based economy. Instead CCP grabbed it as an opportunity to line their own pockets at the expense of the quality of their product. They are essentially entering their own games economy!
They also mention providing new ships, ammo, etc to the game via real money. They don't realize the fact that the ships made by the players are mined from raw asteroids, processed, traded, speculated on, refined, manufactured into ships with the help player copied blueprints, and so on for every miniscule aspect of the game. What do all these players do when people just start buying better products directly from CCP using real money? Do they just sit around and do nothing or start having to spend more money on top of their subscription to enjoy the game and maybe be competitive?
If i may: I think that if you step back a little and think about the exact issues in more detail, which indeed are exactly what everyone else is concerned about (see, you aren't alone!), you'll find most of them in the OP
Yeah, you are right however I just feel like it isn't articulated well enough and that we just make an assumption that CCP realizes this based on how fundamentally obvious it is.
I'm too tired to even look at the memo but don't they state they are selling an immersive experience? Obviously they are but aren't they also selling the gameplay and the rules that come with that gameplay? Maybe they just need to realize what it is they are really selling that is of more value.
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M4sterm1nd
The Grimreapers. Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:32:00 -
[255]
Excellent summary, if CCP handles only 1 post on this whole debacle, it should be this one. Point by point, flat facts, straight answers, no wishy washy crap from Zulu.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:33:00 -
[256]
+1
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Zurtur
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:34:00 -
[257]
Edited by: Zurtur on 25/06/2011 21:34:55 +1
I fully support this threat. -
Sig and banner designs! |
Itsah Trap
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:35:00 -
[258]
+1 /supported /signed
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:35:00 -
[259]
Originally by: AureuSZ I'd like to add on the communication side, that if CCP would have handled this better in the first place, players wouldn't have been so upset, they would just have had some cancelled accounts and thats it.
Now they even banned some players.
I'd like all bans performed in this debacle to be reactivated as a proof of good will.
You know, i ALMOST included this as an item. I know Helicity as i fly with him almost every day, he's a great and passionate guy (lub u helli!! ) but i was unsure if this might de-tract.
I may very well put this back in if enough people raise it as a concern/issue.
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Mikal Morataya
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:36:00 -
[260]
Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 25/06/2011 21:36:57 +1 definite, sticky.
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Ianus
Caldari Geminus Gateway
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:37:00 -
[261]
Edited by: Ianus on 25/06/2011 21:37:24 Great thread. Thanks for taking the time to write it, Ms Freak. I agree with and am concerned every issue presented but mostly buggered with #1.
Also, making this thread a sticky would go a good way towards solving issue #7. DO IT.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:39:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute *Snip* Yeah, you are right however I just feel like it isn't articulated well enough and that we just make an assumption that CCP realizes this based on how fundamentally obvious it is.
I'm too tired to even look at the memo but don't they state they are selling an immersive experience? Obviously they are but aren't they also selling the gameplay and the rules that come with that gameplay? Maybe they just need to realize what it is they are really selling that is of more value.
I could not agree more - but how to tell them? There are how many posts and threads about this now? 2000+? i have no idea!
I was kinda hoping simple might work
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Darkael
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:41:00 -
[263]
/signed |
M4sterm1nd
The Grimreapers. Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:41:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Ms Freak I was kinda hoping simple might work
So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
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Antario T'nar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:48:00 -
[265]
posting to show support, issues pointed out perfectly
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Nevira Ree
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:54:00 -
[266]
bump it to the stickys!!!
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Execer
Infinite Origins
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:57:00 -
[267]
These are the issues laid out plain and simple. Is a plain and simple answer to them really too much to ask from your customers?
At the moment it is, but we live in hope... come on CCP!
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:02:00 -
[268]
+1
also, for ****s and giggles, might include a link to http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Much more in-depth analysis of CCP dropping the ball. Unfortunately, it seems that too many people have linked it and it's been inadvertently DDOS'd
But when it's up an usable again, it's a very good read.
- In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
caldar ian
Final Destination.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:03:00 -
[269]
+1
PLAIN AND SIMPLE CCP
they wont sticky it because they dont care what any of us think, and it will all blow over in a week or so.
I have decided not to play for now, playing this game leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 7 years of my life betrayed.
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Bio: Incarna burnt my motherboard and cpu out : ( |
Lynx Amurie
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:04:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Alpine 69 This is actually a good thread. CCP Listen to what the OP has to say.
+1
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Maurok Ortega
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:07:00 -
[271]
+1 and bump.
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Itsah Trap
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:13:00 -
[272]
buuuuump and again +1 |
Rocom
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:16:00 -
[273]
+1
Based on the overwhelming response people in and out of forums have about these issues, I'm pretty sure that many if not most of the quiet majority is behind you guys on this.
CCP, you digging that hole deeper and deeper and eventually you won't be able to get out.
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Hana Steelethorne
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:22:00 -
[274]
Edited by: Hana Steelethorne on 25/06/2011 22:24:54 The problem with customizability, however, is the amount of time and resources needed to produce unique items and variations. Bear in mind that our HQ is a renovated fish processing plant, not the Wonka factory, and we're fresh out of Oompa Loompas to build these incredible things. So we're left with the question of how to give you the customizability and uniqueness you want without simply raising the subscription rate. - CCP Zulu Give me monocles? Why?
Simply explain the limits of the system and don't waste developer time on them. It might look purty, but if it doesn't enhance game mechanics and playability...it's a waste of developer time and our money. Straight answers not condescending twaddle is needed from CCP on this issue of MT.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:25:00 -
[275]
+2 Great write up. Little drama and well said! Really appreciate the work that went into this thread and really does generally sum up how I feel. Please consider this thread CCP. We do love your game but what you're doing it and to us isn't acceptable.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:27:00 -
[276]
Originally by: General Xenophon +2 Great write up. Little drama and well said! Really appreciate the work that went into this thread and really does generally sum up how I feel. Please consider this thread CCP. We do love your game but what you're doing it and to us isn't acceptable.
Here, Here.
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Drilski Zaytsev
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:30:00 -
[277]
Good thread, good message, good posts.
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GX307
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:31:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Tytilla To those saying "shut up and live with it" and laugh at the idea of customers complaining to a supplier and it having an effect...
In the "real" world of commerce and industry, it has a heck of an effect, and this is commerce, is it not? It has to do with "visible status" and "branding". If the brand becomes tainted, through whatever, then that will stick. It's a lot more difficult to regain brand image once you've lost it.
I would suggest that things are, at the moment, recoverable. If things continue as some of the senior figures in CCP seem to want (assuming leaks are genuine), then a point is not to far in the future when the CCP brand will be so tainted that it will stick to whatever they try and do. It will become what they are always remembered for.
+1
Hurry up and wait for all the kerfuffle to 'blow over' CCP its working great for you so far.
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Rhapsodae
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:45:00 -
[279]
I really Ms Freak, that once there is a CCP response, that u will quicklink it :) thread growing rapidly
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Vic Steeleyes
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:47:00 -
[280]
+1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Rhapsodae I really Ms Freak, that once there is a CCP response, that u will quicklink it :) thread growing rapidly
That i will!
Remember to keep things calm, consice and constructive, if this turns into a flame-fest over night the hard wark done so far will be worthless
In the morning, Resume this information request, shall we...
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Samurai Arturzinho
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 -
[282]
i would like to just say that if ccp baned 1 player for 1 insult in a thread, this only shows that they are the racists, cause in some of my acounts i have complained about insults and they have done nothing, are they giving us a message that their good name is better than our names?(our honor is less valuable to be ofended than theirs?)
if so their own response to one of their fictition petition about an insult in a forum is faster than one of my custumer suport petitions. and by doing so they have created a situation were i am no longer gona sustain this game.
i pay 2 acounts with real money wich means each month around 40 euros, in a year 480 euros, wich means i hope they have what they deserve for making ppl like me that dont insult, that always try to have fun in a game, that pay with real money, feeling like beeing joked by a corporation. (i¦m going to check my biling by them if i find any abuse i will see if they find a law suit something jokable also) since i fulfill my part wich is paying lets see if they fullfill theirs properly.
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Duchy Duke
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:53:00 -
[283]
Besides the order they are in, which varies I'm sure for all of us (Micro-transactions are the number one for me), you've hit them all, and I give you a bump. I just wish someone at CCP would at least show they understand these to be the issues.
I actually like Incarna, the station walking (though it should be optional), and the turrets. I was briefly willing to accept Micro transactions as cosmetic only, even though the prices are insulting. But now that I've seen the newsletter and the email, and the dev blog, I've come to the conclusion that any microtransactions are just an open door for bull-****.
So now I say: NO MICRO-TRANSACTIONS, NO CURRENCY ASIDE FROM ISK (NO AURUM).
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Alexis Strutt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:53:00 -
[284]
I aggree with Issue 1: Removal of the "Hangar View" I do not like the look and feel of it. My computer does not like it (it is too heavy on the gpu and cpu)(it is a new computer). my client now takes 30 to 40% more RAM then before.
And finaly,
I now can't log off with my characters inside the station, they are always outside.
Please fix this ASAP!!!
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Zarat Weissman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 -
[285]
+1 Bump And stickie pls!!!
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Bekenel
Gallente DOCS RUFF RIDERS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:56:00 -
[286]
+ 1, Very good summery.
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Samurai Arturzinho
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:57:00 -
[287]
continuation: i dont subscribe insults. i do subscribe is my suport for the complains about incomplete add ons to this game, to complains that say that eve suport doesnt listen to players that realy have consctructive views of the game, and to the obvious backfire when ccp turned for example dust to a playstation only game, i¦m i going to be forced to buy one to play dust?, that day that happens i will start my quit all ccp games. as i have made all my life, all ppl that treats me well i compensate them as i can, in business they have a life customer, the others i boicot theyr products as well as i can(always stating why of course).
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Doctor Leo Spaceman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:02:00 -
[288]
Good topic, thank you OP for putting this in a concise manner.
Personally I think they know exactly what we're unhappy about, I guess we'll see how they respond.
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TNT Lottery
TNT GAME
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:04:00 -
[289]
Well writen. +1
I would just like to add how i feel about the whole thing.
Them emails really get to me. Especially the "lets not listen to subs lets see what they do instead" crap that they said. You sir, are a moron. You subs, pay your wages. Some of them are your friends. And you make a laugh and a joke about them as if your some better person.
Better than Real life? I think someone needs to find a special friend..
The TNT Lottery - Safe, Professional, Fast and Secure. |
Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:06:00 -
[290]
exactly how i feel
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:10:00 -
[291]
+1
and if CCP doesn't listen to us -2 accounts
http://www.perpetuum-online.com/
This seems to be where ppl are headed. sure it has MT, but at least they are honest and up front about it.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari Heavy Risk...
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:14:00 -
[292]
Edited by: Andrea Skye on 25/06/2011 23:14:49 Oh boy here we go.
Ok heres my MAIN issues with the game:
- Low sec isnt rewarding enough, even tho its argueably the most risky. - Faction war forced low sec to fight blob warfare. There were blobs before then but nowadays its nothing BUT blobs. - ECM is broken, its counter doesnt actualy counter it. It completely shuts down small gang PvP. - Have baked **** like PI and Incarna shouldnt be released. - Half assed attituide from CCP not listening the players. I still remember the "18 months and we will look at it" regarding low sec. I could be ****ing dead in 18 months, fix the **** we pay to play not the **** we dont even want (eg: Dust)
Other secondary issues that arent stopping me play the game, but I would like looked at:
- Super long GCC timers - Huge disadvantage of being an outlaw - Insurance - Current loot system (destroyed modules) - EDIT: oh and the AUR prices are ******
Theres probably more but I cant think of anymore right now.
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Gordon Reaper
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:14:00 -
[293]
+1 please listen CCP
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VantDre
Gallente Night Aztecs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:15:00 -
[294]
Sticky.
The Pod Pilots have spoken.
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Orzgur
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:16:00 -
[295]
Bump for me too, listen to what was said here.
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Izo Azlion
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:19:00 -
[296]
I approve of this thread 30000%
The points featured in the OP are 100% what I want. Izo Azlion.
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Drone Marxime
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:23:00 -
[297]
+1 deserves a bump and sticky
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Eddo Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:25:00 -
[298]
CCP please answer this thread so we can all go back to the game we have enjoyed for so long..
Bump
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Samurai Arturzinho
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:31:00 -
[299]
after careful consideration i am searching other mmo¦s, 1st i¦ve encountered sayd (we dont suport and are baning bots to keep the game fair), just this says how they see this game, lets see if they treat ppl nicer than you ccp, if so you just lost a costumer for life.
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:41:00 -
[300]
Hmm was I suppose to get angry about the email? Haven't read the blog and seriously doubt I will have much of a reaction there either.
Quote: Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
Very true I didn't see anything bad about the email myself and the drama over all this makes me laugh. I am laughing.
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SlippyTheToad
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:45:00 -
[301]
Here is my opinion on the vanity items. Dont give them a price. Create enough items for x% of the community, auction them off and then let the free market take hold. As they are destroyed release more or not..
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DraconisAlpha
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:18:00 -
[302]
/TOTALLYSIGNEDFFS
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D Card
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:22:00 -
[303]
+1
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:23:00 -
[304]
*like*
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SgtHartman
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:40:00 -
[305]
sticky?!?! plz
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Dren Nas
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:47:00 -
[306]
bump for sticky
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Kara Liselle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:48:00 -
[307]
Edited by: Kara Liselle on 26/06/2011 00:47:59 You should read this.... Linkage
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:53:00 -
[308]
+1
& sticky request Signature removed. Discussing warnings or bans in your signature is not permitted. |
Kellorian Barras
Gallente Ambivalence Co-operative Free EVE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:57:00 -
[309]
This is my first time ever on the forums... Thanks for an insightful OP. I agree 100%
The mind is like a parachute. It only works if it is open. |
Rocom
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:59:00 -
[310]
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
^Also worth looking into^
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:16:00 -
[311]
op somes it up very well read this ccp
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Niklas Kaufmann
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:19:00 -
[312]
To the OP, thank you for outlining community concerns. I think your post is thoughtful and informative.
However, there are a few things I would like to point out to some of the people responding. Expansions are free so stop complaining there aren't enough new features for you. Stop hating CCP for trying to increase their profits. This is why they support this game (NO other reason, this is BUSINESS). An increase in their profits will only help increase the amount of money they can spend to make this game better. More money means more content and a longer life for the game. If you cancel your subscription then you are only acting out like a child. The expansion was released days ago and rage quitting because you didn't get your way in 5 days has me laughing at you. There are many issues to be addressed, but not the ones I just pointed out.
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:44:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Niklas Kaufmann To the OP, thank you for outlining community concerns. I think your post is thoughtful and informative.
However, there are a few things I would like to point out to some of the people responding. Expansions are free so stop complaining there aren't enough new features for you. Stop hating CCP for trying to increase their profits. This is why they support this game (NO other reason, this is BUSINESS). An increase in their profits will only help increase the amount of money they can spend to make this game better. More money means more content and a longer life for the game. If you cancel your subscription then you are only acting out like a child. The expansion was released days ago and rage quitting because you didn't get your way in 5 days has me laughing at you. There are many issues to be addressed, but not the ones I just pointed out.
Those of us who unsubbed are only doing what CCP thinks is the right way to express our opinions:
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
Hilmar |
Kiwi Miner
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:20:00 -
[314]
why oh why I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote
ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers |
Rabid Gerbil
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:28:00 -
[315]
Well said
CCP Listen and respond please.
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Cheekything
Gallente Black Lance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:30:00 -
[316]
+1 for a well worded argument.
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Tasty Napalm
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:31:00 -
[317]
I aprove this message!
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import multiprocessing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:35:00 -
[318]
what OP said
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mab91279
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:36:00 -
[319]
/supported.
end Tx |
Taskar Tremens
Psykotic Meat C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:37:00 -
[320]
+1
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Wohnoes
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:38:00 -
[321]
OP is spot on. /support
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CheekyBitOnTheSide
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:45:00 -
[322]
hazzuh
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:53:00 -
[323]
Close enough.
+1
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Sax Delphinus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:03:00 -
[324]
Excellent.
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MineItsAllMine
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:23:00 -
[325]
Well thought out, I hope they respond.
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Macks Artilius
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:26:00 -
[326]
Just about everything I wanted to say, put far better than I ever could.
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Jason Marshall
Gallente Mad Bombers Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:27:00 -
[327]
+1
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SamGromoff
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:49:00 -
[328]
Crossposting from Akita's thread:
I am a major player in a very large market (check this character's posts for a hint of what I do) and my main is well known in some circles. I am wealthy enough to have a personal titan, all of the characters and items I want and my several Eve accounts (would have been) paid for with PLEX until the servers shut down. Aurum does not threaten me personally.
Here's why, as it stands, I'm unsubbing once the current PLEX time runs out:
-As has been pointed out here earlier, gold ammo takes the game out of the sandbox. A gold ammo marketplace will, if competently done, instantly destroy the market for non-gold ammo. This alone is enough to turn me off the market segment of the game, the only part I really like;
-The next logical step is PLEX for remaps/SP reassignment, which instantly destroys another part of the game I like;
-The newsletter mentions rewarding sovholders with aurum as a possibility. Hello, (even more) incentives to hold space to RMT it;
-The 3,600 aurum clothes are an insult to my intelligence.
These are all reasons to hate aurum and unsub in due course. Here's the reason that, unless this is reversed, I will actually *actively* quit Eve:
This game has been fundamentally broken for over a year and a half. Holding sovereign space and contesting it is actively painful. There are 2,500 supercapitals in Eve right now, increasing at ~500/quarter; they are physically unkillable in large numbers (a logged off fleet means you can only get 5-10 before they vanish) so by the end of next year there should be 5,000 of them in game and fleets of 500 supers will be all but mathematically invincible. That is simply the tip of the iceberg in an ever-more-broken balance; Gallente/hybrids have been needing help for years, POS need help, 2.5 races are all but useless in PvP, etc., etc., etc. No expansion since Apocrypha has delivered on half of what it promised, every feature is always released half-finished, and almost every patch is actively broken in a major way.
This expansion has been planned for two years. As we all know, it is nothing more than an alpha test for WoD with zero improvements to Eve of any kind. Indeed, it makes the game worse, because I'm now staring at a wall whenever I dock. How well have they coded this glorious new feature set they've had planned for forever? Well, it melts my videocard if I turn CQ on, its crowning achievement is a $68 monocle that can apparently turn my avatar invisible on the forums (and there are only 8 items in the store so they can't even do *that* right), and I still can't actually walk in stations. But the 15 seconds of WASD'ing my way around my apartment looked okay, I guess (not really.)
In exchange for this amazing achievement, I've been offered a 1.03 PLEX-costing aurum jacket that as I said before directly insults my intelligence, told that one of the core promises that CCP has made us is being walked back on, told that Incarna was a smashing success because they've sold a whopping 52 monocles, told that we are all whiners (I especially liked that the CEO retweeted that, BTW), and told that if I want my titan to do max damage I (well, some sucker) will likely have to pay for the privilege.
Basically, I'm not convinced that Eve will ever be a better game than it is now. Loot pinataing some RMT'er will only make so many tears and this game's really not very good at the moment to start with, so why bother? May as well just rage a bit and then quit.
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Rhapsodae
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:55:00 -
[329]
Why isnt this a sticky yet ?
its clear? its sorted ? Come on! |
Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:02:00 -
[330]
+7
All my accts support this thread.
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Athagon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 -
[331]
+1
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Val Amora
Minmatar Orcses and Goblinz
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:25:00 -
[332]
+1
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Marielle Ley
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:29:00 -
[333]
+1
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Boosthungry
Jotunheimr Productions Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:33:00 -
[334]
+1
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AnzacPaul
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:35:00 -
[335]
Hey Fallout, still there? sticky this please.
+1
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Phigmeta
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:42:00 -
[336]
Edited by: Phigmeta on 26/06/2011 04:44:29 +1 CCP this would be a good time to reply to the post and explain your stance ....
Of course they won't ... so this is probably going to be my last post as my account expires in 2 days.
To all of Eve .... i have been forced to cancel my 8 accounts as of today... once they run out of time they will all go to sleep till CCP removes their head from their "Zulu"
It has been an amazing experiance and I will miss you all. TO my enemy, you have my respect and admiration. You fought well and it was an honor.
To my blues ... it was a real blast.
To CCP, I can only hope that you see the error or your ways. CCP Shockwave seriously needs to be introduced to the job marketplace. His inability to understand the sandbox is shockingly painful. CCP Zulu needs to be placed in a position that ensures him NEVER having the ability to communicate with the outside world.
As for the CCP CEO.... I don't know TBQH ... he reminds me of another CEO, She ran HP into the ground. From one businessman to another..... your CLIENT put food in your kids mouth, provides a home for you to sleep, ensures that you car has gas. Don't treat you client as though he is a burden on your job... he IS your job. Many CEO's have killed companies because they assume they know whats best.
And many of those CEOs are jobless
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Shana Shulu
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:45:00 -
[337]
+1
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:46:00 -
[338]
I wish CCP would sticky this topic
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:51:00 -
[339]
+1, would elect to CSM if CSM did anything. -
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Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:57:00 -
[340]
This is actually the first thread about the whole thing i actually like!
+1!
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Al Gabraith
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:02:00 -
[341]
+1
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Z Bear
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:03:00 -
[342]
+1
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Rand Kastner
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:03:00 -
[343]
+1
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Dana Kait
Minmatar Glencorre Industrial Guild
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:08:00 -
[344]
+1
I've steered a couple non-EVE friends here to explain what I've been doing the past couple days (shooting Jita monument), and it helped them understand what alot of us are upset about.
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Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:12:00 -
[345]
bumped and request for sticky plz! @CCP
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Darkael
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:14:00 -
[346]
+1
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Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:21:00 -
[347]
bumped again cause its site2.
sticky please.
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Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:44:00 -
[348]
And again i'll bump this thread like the whole time i'm eating my breakfast. and its sunday so my breakfast will be a long one!
plz CCP, sticky this. it's seriously a good and non-****storming, raging, crap thread :-) thank you.
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Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:04:00 -
[349]
next bumpt, cause its site2 again. i would really appreciate a lil help here. cause even i think bumping this thread is not against forum rule 12, it would be nice not to be the only player who think this is an important thread :-)
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Gnome Illusionist
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:22:00 -
[350]
+1
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission EVE Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:29:00 -
[351]
I think you forgot to add one issue: charging 3rd party devs who provide free tools/services to the community and fan sites $99/year for using EVE IP if they receive donations.
No one has a problem with a commercial license that enable those that do whish to charge RL money for their tools to do so. In fact, that's a good idea. But that "gimme money for your free tool" doesn't seem to be a good idea. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:32:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Hel O'Ween I think you forgot to add one issue: charging 3rd party devs who provide free tools/services to the community and fan sites $99/year for using EVE IP if they receive donations.
No one has a problem with a commercial license that enable those that do whish to charge RL money for their tools to do so. In fact, that's a good idea. But that "gimme money for your free tool" doesn't seem to be a good idea.
Yeah this needs to be added to the list. They are not as vocal a group cause there are not as many of them.
But this was a **** move as well.
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Alicia Snugfitt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:40:00 -
[353]
+1 - needs to stay on first page.
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Ukhata
Minmatar No Option Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:49:00 -
[354]
+1
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Laskeron
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:51:00 -
[355]
Regarding the CQ issue, i cant think about any reason why it should be obligatory to leave your ship when docking. it is said that for the sake of causality it is very unpleasant for a pod pilot to leave his goo, while in the same instance they need to leave their pods everytime from now on when they dock. it would be more coherent if there was a button which made you leave your pod, so you could choose between the "spinning your ship" screen and the CQ environment. it fits the overall style CCP tried to accomplish with Incarnia and solves a few mentioned problems in an instant, not to mention that the implementation shouldn¦t be much of an issue if you leave out the decanting room for now.
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Rikki Retardo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:55:00 -
[356]
Bump....
& sticky this please
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silver20
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:03:00 -
[357]
+1 ccp read this before u lose many many players!!!
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Azasi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:05:00 -
[358]
bumpy bump A++ would buy from again!
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:06:00 -
[359]
Sticky this, it be good for you. Less clutter on the forums about these topics. Mabey, but either way it will make this easier on all of us.
Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011 |
fpshacker
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:07:00 -
[360]
+1
In before CCP deletes it
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Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:10:00 -
[361]
+1
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silver20
Caldari WEPRA CORP White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:12:00 -
[362]
+1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:13:00 -
[363]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Hel O'Ween I think you forgot to add one issue: charging 3rd party devs who provide free tools/services to the community and fan sites $99/year for using EVE IP if they receive donations.
No one has a problem with a commercial license that enable those that do whish to charge RL money for their tools to do so. In fact, that's a good idea. But that "gimme money for your free tool" doesn't seem to be a good idea.
Yeah this needs to be added to the list. They are not as vocal a group cause there are not as many of them.
But this was a **** move as well.
I was trying to keep the list to "Just Incarna Rage" - there are a few things that are on the edge of being included such as banned people and this $99 fiasco.
I will add them if we start to get some sort of response to this today/tomrrow so that CCP can address those more thoroughly also.
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Lavayar
Gallente Russian SOBR
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:24:00 -
[364]
bump
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Timberfox
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:32:00 -
[365]
**** compromise, this is war, **** ccp. out the crazy ceo, he will never understand, and he'll lead everyone to their deaths
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Kaesarr
Negros United
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:36:00 -
[366]
+10000 aurums
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Terran United Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:42:00 -
[367]
This is an awesome post! +5 ------------------------------------
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AureuSZ
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:42:00 -
[368]
Please Add Free Helicity Boson to the list sir :)
I think next time they should take the steps for calming things down before thinking about banning people.
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Fotis
Gallente The Graduates
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:02:00 -
[369]
+1
Hangar view removal is a game breaking feature. Seeing your ship is pretty important (double click to open cargo, right clicking for drone bay, fuel bay, ship maintenance bay) Many ships have the same hologram so it's not easy to see what is the active ship + GPU performance reasons + Getting out of the pod to put 1000 rounds of ammo in the hangar and undock seems silly |
Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:02:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Timberfox **** compromise, this is war, **** ccp. out the crazy ceo, he will never understand, and he'll lead everyone to their deaths
common pls, keep this thread clean. we would like to make a serious statement here and every player should realize that it is necessary to do this politely and calm.
CCP, please sticky this.
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Zozefin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:03:00 -
[371]
+1
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Jonathan Arminius
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:11:00 -
[372]
+1
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Xylvain
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:26:00 -
[373]
Although not as severe as the previous issues mentioned, there is another needless change that needs fixing:
Why the new icons for tractor & salvager? It actually took me a while to be able to distinguish between these icons, which is pretty sad because really the entire point of an icon is to identify an object and its purpose quickly, in a hasty glance. Now they look like lumps of twisted charcoal, which is not only confusing but also incredibly ugly. The curious thing about this change is that there was absolutely no reason to implement it other than screwing with people, i mean the AUR and everything related was beyond terrible, but it had a purpose of sorts (acquiring more money for greeds sake). This however does not.
I can think of about a million other things that actually need work done, so instead of creating terrible new icons & visuals that do nothing but make it more difficult see whats going on in the game (capacitor display anyone?) please refer to things people mentioned they WANT(NEED) fixed.
Again, an icon is not supposed to look exactly like the thing it displays, but rather serve to identify its purpose without reading the name or pushing the button to see what it does - all while trying to not make something thats permanently in your view the most hideous thing in the entire game. The old ones were fine, and didnt make me want to spill the contents of my stomach through my mouth.
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Svalinn
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:31:00 -
[374]
+1
This is a well written post that I was having ideas about posting, but your version is far simpler, more eloquent, and does the job. A few additions:- Issue 3: MT and Fearless CCP can tout the line that Fearless is designed as discussion only. However, when it is distributed company why, left on every desk and every coffee table, it is crystal clear that the topics have the interest of the higher-ups.
Issue 4: Zulu's Blog CCP Zulu has a chance to nip the entire crisis in the bud here. Ask yourself, why is the community so scared? It's the prospect of Pay to Win items coming into EVE at any point in the future. Fearles discussed it, prominent CCP employees such as Soundwave pushed for it (a massive betrayal in the eyes of the users), and the blog failed to mention it at all. Silence on this matter is as good as saying "Yes, P2W items are on the table some time in the future". This needs an answer. This is why people are so scared, the EVE community does not want P2W items ever. Never. Ever.
If you agree with this, then please tell us! Promise us P2W items will never hit EVE, and things will calm down. If you don't even have the guts to tell us though, then you are undeserving of our subscriptions (3500+ and rising so far).
Issue 5: Captains Quarters Next time you create internal models, don't release them in a state where it renders every part of every surface, visible or not, in CQ at maximum detail regardless of distance. This is EVE, not Crysis for f..ks sake. Want to know why GPUs are burning? There you go.
Issue 7: Community Communication This has been a wildfire. CCP could not have done it better - every measure they have taken has been the wrong one. Silence in a matter like this is tantamout to guilt. What started as typical patch day blues escalated with a document about P2W that was confirmed as official, that contained material so inflammatory it created a wildfire. The fact CCP didn't address these rumours quickly is proof in our eyes they intend to push through the plans, and has been like pooring gas onto said wildfire.
The blog which answered nothing, including the big question, and then stated "I hope Iæve addressed your concerns" when it didn't shows how out of touch you are. You are not listening, this drove a gas tanker into the wildfire. You again remained silent.
Then the leaked e-mail from the CEO of CCP. I can't put it better than the OP, it was like another slap in the face, several more tankers being dropped onto the wildfire, and a community which is too numb with shock to even respond constructively.
What we are witnessing, is CCP's attempted destruction of the sandbox that it has spent 8 years creating, that we have spent 8 years loving. They are ****ing on it without the courtesy of calling it rain. But the sandbox is fighting back, it will keep fighting back, and it will have answers. But if EVE does go P2W, it's the end of that, the end of the sandbox, and one of the great tragedies of our time. All because CCP lied to the players, ignores what they said, and never had the guts to tell us what they were planning.
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Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:47:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Issue 8: Hilmar's Email Why all the "Rage"?:- "_very predictable feedback_" - Srsly?
- Insulting to players.
- "where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" - SRSLY?
- "It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before" - SERIOUSLY?
Community Request: *<dismay>* ..........
A public apology and promise for change (according to the rest of the community requests). And public I mean also a press release.
You insulted all of your players you d**k. So save what you can or die.
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N'maro Makari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:55:00 -
[376]
+1 ing this
CCP,PLZ STICKY NOW!
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:08:00 -
[377]
Very good and concise summery of the problems that REALLY should be looked into. Thanks +1
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Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:13:00 -
[378]
bump
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G 0 D
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:13:00 -
[379]
http://www.perpetuum-online.com/
Hundreds of players that are leaving Eve are now playing Perpetuum Online and have literally doubled the games population.
Join the perpetuum ingame channel EVE.
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Gracron
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:26:00 -
[380]
Keeping this in view
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Zangorus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:29:00 -
[381]
OP nailed it
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Sylar McIntyr
Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:41:00 -
[382]
+1
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Kontarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:42:00 -
[383]
+1
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dhunpael
Caldari Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:58:00 -
[384]
+1
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Majmuna
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:03:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?
If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.
Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.
For the hundred million and first time: Simply put, conjuring titans and skillpoints from nowhere (for RM) negates the need of the EVE economy, hence industrialists, hence effort, hence sandbox is flushed down the toilet. The impact on EVE gameplay would be immense.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:03:00 -
[386]
Originally by: AureuSZ Please Add Free Helicity Boson to the list sir :)
I think next time they should take the steps for calming things down before thinking about banning people.
I mentioned this previously in a post a few pages ago. I would DEARLY love to do this but not sure if it wil detract from the message (as CCP doesn't talk about bannings etc publicly).
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Majmuna
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:08:00 -
[387]
This post deserves bumpage and sticky.
+ 1
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Yasaro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:17:00 -
[388]
I do agree with every single point the op initially made.
Another post to make ÇÇP think.
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Vorce
Killswitch Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:27:00 -
[389]
Fell off the front page. Not sure CCP checks back here. Bumping it to the top.
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Max Portis
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:53:00 -
[390]
*bump*
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Death Becoming
Amarr Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:31:00 -
[391]
My number one concern is that I'm paying for a game that my computer will no longer allow me to play.
I have a decent Graphics card, processor, and RAM. Was able to dock and switch ships as soon as Scotty allowed usually less than 15 sec. Now, when I dock it takes forever to enter the station and another forever to load and one more forever to undock.
If this issue was mentioned somewhere above I missed it but I wasnt going to read the entire post.
CCP please fix this docking mess so I can enjoy the game.
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Piscis
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:46:00 -
[392]
Nice post. Well summarized
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Antario T'nar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:55:00 -
[393]
bump for awesome topic
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Jayde Emeraude
Angels of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:58:00 -
[394]
Very well written - +1
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dhunpael
Caldari Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:08:00 -
[395]
bump for importance
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Herschel Titania
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:59:00 -
[396]
And again
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:00:00 -
[397]
Am i allowed to bump my own thread or is that against forum etticate??
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Sarina Rhoda
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:20:00 -
[398]
bump for truth
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Legionos McGuiros
Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:27:00 -
[399]
+1
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Jane Merc
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:52:00 -
[400]
CCP needs to read this
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:59:00 -
[401]
CCP doesn't and won't care about this or us. They have proven this for years now. It's just recently all come to the surface and out in the open for all to see, hear, and read.
But, what the hell. Five gold starts for effort buddy! This 8 year veteran has ALWAYS supported players that wanted to add to the community. So, I support you fully in this effort.
I am 120% SOLIDLY convinced that CCP doesn't give a **** about their paying customers, but, again, what the hell. I am supporting my fellow podpilot with a bump!
More steam for you buddy. Go gett'um!
Cheers mate! *
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Paradygm
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:07:00 -
[402]
/signed |
derivativo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:13:00 -
[403]
Good topic.
+1
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RabC Nesbitt
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:13:00 -
[404]
Bump for clarity and objectivity
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MarcusFenix2
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:19:00 -
[405]
oh now I get it, big change difficult to adjust to and outright outrage.
Doesnt seem smooth to me at all.
+1 to OP
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Largo Fate
Minmatar MAFIA P I R A T E S
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:19:00 -
[406]
Sticky now!
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Oxeu
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:23:00 -
[407]
+1 http://eveboard.com/ub/2051013243-30.pngOXEU[/url |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:31:00 -
[408]
So CCP Zulu is wiriting another blog. Friendly bump to this thread so that he can find inspiration. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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The Spectacled
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:32:00 -
[409]
+1
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Blaidd Ddrwg
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:35:00 -
[410]
Bump this.
Needs sticky.
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DA6ONET
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:47:00 -
[411]
Edited by: DA6ONET on 26/06/2011 16:54:02 I rarely post on these boards, but I have held an active sub for EVE for years.
In case CCP thinks this is not reaching outside the EVE community, I was at a LAN party with friends last night, none of whom have ever played EVE Online, and without me even prompting, they asked me how I was getting along with all the **** that's hitting the fan recently. I have to say that was a real eye opener for me, these are all working professionals that don't spend a lot of time reading the latest gaming news, especially for games they don't play. Also, the group I have been gaming with since 2005 have even related CCP's attitude and behavior with SOE's on our private boards. I think CCP has a ways to go to reach the level of stupidity as SOE, but it did raise an eyebrow.
I have no problem with companies behaving like arrogant asshats and succeeding, that's life, but I equally don't have a problem with arrogant asshats failing, that's also life.
edit: BTW, some of those friends I mentioned wanted more details about what was going on, I emailed them a link to this thread. +1
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Sister Ana
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:52:00 -
[412]
good job, very well summarized
Now, let's hope CCP will understand the same English as we do here... because according to Zulu last blog, I have doubts
/signed
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:21:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Renan Ruivo So CCP Zulu is wiriting another blog. Friendly bump to this thread so that he can find inspiration.
Thanks - lets hope he does actually address each issue this time.
@CCP Fallout - Pleae make sure Zulu has seen the OP. It will make his life easier!
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:21:00 -
[414]
if a blog is being written, this would be a very good place to start. recommend bump and sticky. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Slaqer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:40:00 -
[415]
You should also add a question about this article Sony Buys CCP. I'm sure a lot of people want an answer for this as well myself included. |
dhunpael
Caldari Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:53:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Slaqer You should also add a question about this article Sony Buys CCP. I'm sure a lot of people want an answer for this as well myself included.
you are not the only one
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State WarAcademy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:55:00 -
[417]
Although I am a relatively new player, and I rarely post in any forums in the games I play, I support the words that OP have constructed. All of those topics are unacceptable and I would like to see them seriously looked at.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:06:00 -
[418]
Originally by: dhunpael
Originally by: Slaqer You should also add a question about this article Sony Buys CCP. I'm sure a lot of people want an answer for this as well myself included.
you are not the only one
I was litterally typing this into my post when this happened:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540052
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Ghazi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:18:00 -
[419]
definitely the best thread for moving forward in mediation imho.
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Sgt Redemption
Gallente Infinitely Prolonged
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:20:00 -
[420]
+1 ccp take notice of this!
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Rachel Tam
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 -
[421]
+1
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:26:00 -
[422]
+1 answer thoose.
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Largo Fate
Minmatar MAFIA P I R A T E S
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:30:00 -
[423]
bump
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Ms BadAss
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:43:00 -
[424]
+1 Ms Freak great post and to the point (and a good guy in game too)
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Corvin Clarke
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[425]
+1
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Kellorian Barras
Gallente Ambivalence Co-operative Free EVE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:19:00 -
[426]
bump The mind is like a parachute. It only works if it is open. |
Joccob
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:21:00 -
[427]
+1
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Spliffsan
Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:07:00 -
[428]
+1 This mirrors my feelings and those of many more not taking the time to read the forums.
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Markus Jome
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:09:00 -
[429]
+1
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:47:00 -
[430]
Count me supporting 2,4,6,7,8 with 8 being the highest priority. If the man at the top is drunk with power, arrogant and has a Napoleon complex, the rest of it doesn't matter one ISK.
It almost seems as if Hilmar and his vast decade of experience and seeing it all means maybe we need fresh perspective and eyes at the top. -
Coffee the Elixir of Life.
CAS 101
Where is my Lab Coat? Monacle??? How about Microscope and Coats for ISK. |
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RomeoActual
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:00:00 -
[431]
+1
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.27 06:02:00 -
[432]
+1
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.27 06:16:00 -
[433]
I see what you are trying to do. Lock the threads and let the ones that actually make sense go to page 3000 and keep the ones that make the rioters look crazy.
well played
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PwrPuffGirl
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:38:00 -
[434]
+1
Take the time to listen to us!!!!
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Saphirray
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:57:00 -
[435]
+1
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Matas Kyler
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:00:00 -
[436]
+1
Nearly everything is in here. Once we fix all this we'll have a clearer view I guess.
_____________________ Matas Kyler Proud husband of Lucy, Go figure... |
Sir Copyalot Kashuken
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:08:00 -
[437]
+1
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Jimmy Razor
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:24:00 -
[438]
+1
Are CCP gonna address this properly or leak something else and basically give the finger...again?
That's the question
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:24:00 -
[439]
I may not agree with all the points, but I don't think this deserves to drop to page 2, either.
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Ssaco
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:14:00 -
[440]
+2 |
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:22:00 -
[441]
Tonight when i get home from work (post 19:00 UTC) i will be ensuring that i have spoken to a CSM delegate regarding this thread.
Hopefully this can be another reference point for them (as i'm sure they already know the issues but confirmation won't hurt!)
If a CSM member has already read this thread please eve-mail me with a time/date that would convient for a chat.
Alternatively, if you know a CSM delegate and can point them in the direction of this thread it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:26:00 -
[442]
+1 bump, CSM take em to CCP
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kitic mile
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:30:00 -
[443]
+1 ...barcode never lies |
Larissa Sunsorrow
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:46:00 -
[444]
Bump from the second page. CCP don't need the CSM to answer these questions. We need answers and we need now.
If they don't want to answer right now they are planning on selling something beyond vanity items for sure.
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:56:00 -
[445]
+1
This service by Ms Freak should be endorsed by everyone concerned about current issues within the incarna expansion and the leaked company documents.
Very well put, clear and concise. Bravo madam.
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Beck Thomson
San Joaquin Navy US Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:01:00 -
[446]
+1
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DogFACE1
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Posted - 2011.06.27 16:30:00 -
[447]
good post
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Kirgan
Caldari Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:44:00 -
[448]
+1 bump
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MC187
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:50:00 -
[449]
+1 bump
great thread that sums it up pretty well.
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centurion zulu
Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:59:00 -
[450]
I too would like an opt out button for the station junk. I would rather have the ship loading screen instead. This slows everything down, so much for the "need for speed"
Usless junk
+1 to the op.
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Mehta Mezhan
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:36:00 -
[451]
Forum admins, please sticky this topic.
It is incredibly important that this thread gets read by CCP management.
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Genghis Prime
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 -
[452]
+1 Have an option for using CQ or the hanger
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bishop841B
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:09:00 -
[453]
*bumb*
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Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:26:00 -
[454]
effin¦ bump
Quote:
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Kin Dahl
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:12:00 -
[455]
bump
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:16:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Lt Vanzi this needs to be stickied
This ^
His name was John Turbefield!
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Deloa
Gallente Novus Alba FerrumSus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:23:00 -
[457]
very well said, tbh im disgusted with this entire episode, i was one of the people so looking forward to "Incarna", but tbh im rather disgusted and disapointed in what CCP have done, and the way they did it, i feel like im being treated like an idiot and a cash cow, and seriously debaiting dropping some accounts unless they address some of our issues and concerns, starting with there outragious Vanity item prices and the option to turn CQ off.
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Bane Loppknow
Pel Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:48:00 -
[458]
I was pretty optimistic about CQ, but what really destroyed it for me was the absolute removal of any sense of scale. Go ahead, re-enable CQ, undock, redock. Look at your ship. Now jump into something waaaaay smaller/larger. Like from a frigate to a battleship. Look at your ship again. Surprise! It's the same size! That, or the hangar just magically grew/shrank. I'm sorry, but I'm not wasting my time/resources/money to make my ships feel even less real than they did before. I want my badass battleship to feel like a badass battleship, and my small agile frigate to feel like a small agile frigate. Yet, when I dock up... they're exactly the same.
Honestly, I'm not all that upset about the Aurum pricing. I was never interested in that crap, and find it slightly more amusing than I would have if they were "reasonably" priced. If people want to spend 70 bucks on a monocle, that's their decision.
EVE is first and foremost a game about internet spaceships. Incarna is an attempt to move beyond that, to make it a game about people flying internet spaceships. CQ does not accomplish that task. Until it does, anything that doesn't involve spaceships is useless fluff.
That being said, I absolutely LOVE the new turrets and the Maller. Hats (or maybe monocles?) off to the teams that did those.
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Eali
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:54:00 -
[459]
+1
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Milia Jenius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:30:00 -
[460]
+1
well done OP clear and concise
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Caiyuga Onishi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:42:00 -
[461]
+1ed
!
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Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:00:00 -
[462]
Back to the top.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:33:00 -
[463]
+1
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Skaz
Minmatar Skazmanian Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:42:00 -
[464]
What can you say to OP than +1?
Hope CCP reads this thread. - -
PINK PINK PINK PINK |
Stephan Janus
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:53:00 -
[465]
Ms Freak for CSM!!!
I sign my support in full to her op
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JSquared
Caldari Quantum Warfare Research and Development Quantum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:04:00 -
[466]
CCP,
As a 5+ year customer of this game (for the moment) this post is the one the most closely aligns with my views and thoughts on this expansion and the s..t storm surrounding it. DO something about it or I will.
+1, sighed and all of that stuff.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:27:00 -
[467]
+1 ================================================== EVE DARK AGES - A new MT expansion for Eve online. |
Breaker Rush
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:40:00 -
[468]
+1
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:45:00 -
[469]
bump ================================================== EVE DARK AGES - A new MT expansion for Eve online. |
Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:00:00 -
[470]
This thread MUST remain on the front page.
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Bethamene
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:20:00 -
[471]
bump |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:51:00 -
[472]
Right on, the OP makes excellent points. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Rameus Luxmaar
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:59:00 -
[473]
+1
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:04:00 -
[474]
I really like the list you made, Ms Freak. This is a great thread.
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Spyres
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:13:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Ms Freak There is no-one moaning about the new super-sick Turrets, or the AWESOME new entry screen (the one with the maller). Why? Because they are GOOD they are just what EvE is about and that the players want.
Its been mentioned in other threads, but the turret icons are incomprehensible (compare them to rig icons). |
drunken wench
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:47:00 -
[476]
Issue 3 - I think you should also add that last year CCP Fallout said no microtransactions "whatsoever". Not only did he lie, but we know seem to be on the verge of pay to win items. How are we supposed to trust them when they seem hell bent on implementing something they promised would never happen?
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:04:00 -
[477]
We have a pen&paper RPG in Germany, +The Dark Eye½ (Das Schwarze Auge), which works as a mutual maintenance/caretaking of community-by-company and company-by-community in a way similar to Eve. The simulated world, compared to other Fantasy RPG's, displays (imho) an unrivalled richness which is due to the engagement and the contributions of the community, while the company (whose body corporate has changed over times while the core team has been more or less persisting) keeps a close contact to the community. And there's a similar tier of CSM as with Eve/CCP, which is channeling that communication.
Now Eurogamer has made an important point:
+The option to assume a Gordon Gecko mentality and capitalise further on EVE Online only exists because of the players. The sandbox that led to the stories that enthrall even non-players doesn't belong to CCP - it belongs to the community.½
This has already been pointed out in multiple posts of the Eve Community, but I feel compelled to pointedly add my own angle of view:
The whole thing boils down, as in the real world, to a question of good and legitimate government - Eve (and +The Dark Eye½ alike), as a mutual product of Company and Community, has been and could still be a model case of how Capitalism, while being about money, nevertheless builds upon information (Hayek's POV: markets are about processing information, primarily, and money is only a means to that). Undock from the flow of community information - and your business gets over the heads of the People, loses its contact to Reality, and finally produces its own legitimation crisis.
There used to be a lot of talk once (at least in Europe) about what +economic democracy½ could mean - here we have a practical working example: a Company that functions as the corporated heart of a Community to realize the visions of that community - which are, ideally, at least compatible with the visions of the Company's staff. Subscription fees are the taxes payed by the Community to keep its Government up and running - while they duly expect that this Government be Good and Legitimate and hence take care of the needs and aspirations of its People.
So, finally, the idea of legitimate government is not a metaphor her, it's the real thing - thus we may adopt the slogan that led to the Boston Tea Party of 1773: +No taxation without representation!½. For Eve is not only a game (and a virtual economy), but an example of real world economy as well, to which the Community is dedicating not only their money, but their irretrievable lifetime, too! So please, CCP, don't f**k with our lifetime - at least not with mine!
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:25:00 -
[478]
Originally by: Stephan Janus Ms Freak for CSM!!!
I sign my support in full to her op
I've never really got involved with the politics side of EvE, and, didn't realise how interesting it is and how passionate people are about this game.
I may well throw my hat into the ring at the next CSM election to see if i can make a difference
Thanks.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:27:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Franz Sigel We have a pen&paper RPG in Germany, +The Dark Eye½ (Das Schwarze Auge), which works as a mutual maintenance/caretaking of community-by-company and company-by-community in a way similar to Eve. The simulated world, compared to other Fantasy RPG's, displays (imho) an unrivalled richness which is due to the engagement and the contributions of the community, while the company (whose body corporate has changed over times while the core team has been more or less persisting) keeps a close contact to the community. And there's a similar tier of CSM as with Eve/CCP, which is channeling that communication.
Now Eurogamer has made an important point:
+The option to assume a Gordon Gecko mentality and capitalise further on EVE Online only exists because of the players. The sandbox that led to the stories that enthrall even non-players doesn't belong to CCP - it belongs to the community.½
This has already been pointed out in multiple posts of the Eve Community, but I feel compelled to pointedly add my own angle of view:
The whole thing boils down, as in the real world, to a question of good and legitimate government - Eve (and +The Dark Eye½ alike), as a mutual product of Company and Community, has been and could still be a model case of how Capitalism, while being about money, nevertheless builds upon information (Hayek's POV: markets are about processing information, primarily, and money is only a means to that). Undock from the flow of community information - and your business gets over the heads of the People, loses its contact to Reality, and finally produces its own legitimation crisis.
There used to be a lot of talk once (at least in Europe) about what +economic democracy½ could mean - here we have a practical working example: a Company that functions as the corporated heart of a Community to realize the visions of that community - which are, ideally, at least compatible with the visions of the Company's staff. Subscription fees are the taxes payed by the Community to keep its Government up and running - while they duly expect that this Government be Good and Legitimate and hence take care of the needs and aspirations of its People.
So, finally, the idea of legitimate government is not a metaphor her, it's the real thing - thus we may adopt the slogan that led to the Boston Tea Party of 1773: +No taxation without representation!½. For Eve is not only a game (and a virtual economy), but an example of real world economy as well, to which the Community is dedicating not only their money, but their irretrievable lifetime, too! So please, CCP, don't f**k with our lifetime - at least not with mine!
Quite possibly one of the most insightful/thought provoking things i've ever read on this forum! Nicely said.
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Ray Butts
Minmatar Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:30:00 -
[480]
+1
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Maa Ku
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:33:00 -
[481]
Quote: Issue 1: Removal of the "Hanger View" Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ. Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hanger view and "Ship spinning". Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP. Community Request: Return the hanger view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button.
I really hope they do this. Biggest issue in my book.
Quote: Issue 2: NeX Prices Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can access this new content. MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions. Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's. Players feel they are being leached. Additional new currancy Affect on PLEX prices Bypassed the CSM. Community Request: Divide all the prices by at least 10. They will still be expensive and "Exclusive" but more accessible and less laughable.
No - The monocle is fine if it's a status symbol so long as they introduce cheap items. Geez, they need some loss-leaders in there at least!
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Belid Hagen
Resilience. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:36:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Franz Sigel We have a pen&paper RPG in Germany, +The Dark Eye½ (Das Schwarze Auge), which works as a mutual maintenance/caretaking of community-by-company and company-by-community in a way similar to Eve. The simulated world, compared to other Fantasy RPG's, displays (imho) an unrivalled richness which is due to the engagement and the contributions of the community, while the company (whose body corporate has changed over times while the core team has been more or less persisting) keeps a close contact to the community. And there's a similar tier of CSM as with Eve/CCP, which is channeling that communication.
Now Eurogamer has made an important point:
+The option to assume a Gordon Gecko mentality and capitalise further on EVE Online only exists because of the players. The sandbox that led to the stories that enthrall even non-players doesn't belong to CCP - it belongs to the community.½
This has already been pointed out in multiple posts of the Eve Community, but I feel compelled to pointedly add my own angle of view:
The whole thing boils down, as in the real world, to a question of good and legitimate government - Eve (and +The Dark Eye½ alike), as a mutual product of Company and Community, has been and could still be a model case of how Capitalism, while being about money, nevertheless builds upon information (Hayek's POV: markets are about processing information, primarily, and money is only a means to that). Undock from the flow of community information - and your business gets over the heads of the People, loses its contact to Reality, and finally produces its own legitimation crisis.
There used to be a lot of talk once (at least in Europe) about what +economic democracy½ could mean - here we have a practical working example: a Company that functions as the corporated heart of a Community to realize the visions of that community - which are, ideally, at least compatible with the visions of the Company's staff. Subscription fees are the taxes payed by the Community to keep its Government up and running - while they duly expect that this Government be Good and Legitimate and hence take care of the needs and aspirations of its People.
So, finally, the idea of legitimate government is not a metaphor her, it's the real thing - thus we may adopt the slogan that led to the Boston Tea Party of 1773: +No taxation without representation!½. For Eve is not only a game (and a virtual economy), but an example of real world economy as well, to which the Community is dedicating not only their money, but their irretrievable lifetime, too! So please, CCP, don't f**k with our lifetime - at least not with mine!
Quite possibly one of the most insightful/thought provoking things i've ever read on this forum! Nicely said.
so.... we should start buying up CCP stock as a community?
I'm in.
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Suboran
Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:37:00 -
[483]
Very good post
Also remember that people play eve to find some escapism from the real world, when you introduce a system that involves paying large sums of real money for an item and make it so obvious that its happening, it kills the immersion factor.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:37:00 -
[484]
Originally by: Maa Ku
Quote: Issue 1: Removal of the "Hanger View" Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ. Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hanger view and "Ship spinning". Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP. Community Request: Return the hanger view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button.
I really hope they do this. Biggest issue in my book.
Quote: Issue 2: NeX Prices Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can access this new content. MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions. Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's. Players feel they are being leached. Additional new currancy Affect on PLEX prices Bypassed the CSM. Community Request: Divide all the prices by at least 10. They will still be expensive and "Exclusive" but more accessible and less laughable.
No - The monocle is fine if it's a status symbol so long as they introduce cheap items. Geez, they need some loss-leaders in there at least!
There has indeed been more acceptance of the super expensive monocole (sp?) since i originally wrote this post so it's entirely probable i should update it again.
I'll refresh everything this evening once i get home from work.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:40:00 -
[485]
Originally by: Belid Hagen
*snip*
so.... we should start buying up CCP stock as a community?
I'm in.
I'm not sure that's exactly what he was getting at. More along the lines of working together to be better and that there are exmaples of this actually working
That said, Yes i will be buying stock
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:45:00 -
[486]
I don't have a problem with $80 monocles being available to whoever so wants. I am simply disappointed there are no $0.50 monocles.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:45:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Maa Ku
Quote: Issue 1: Removal of the "Hanger View" Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ. Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hanger view and "Ship spinning". Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP. Community Request: Return the hanger view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button.
I really hope they do this. Biggest issue in my book.
Quote: Issue 2: NeX Prices Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can access this new content. MicroTransactions not MegaTransactions. Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's. Players feel they are being leached. Additional new currancy Affect on PLEX prices Bypassed the CSM. Community Request: Divide all the prices by at least 10. They will still be expensive and "Exclusive" but more accessible and less laughable.
No - The monocle is fine if it's a status symbol so long as they introduce cheap items. Geez, they need some loss-leaders in there at least!
I quite agree that giving us the hanger view with button for accessing CQ is the most important issue....
CCP keeps talking about wanting clothing stores on the promenade inside stations that are player run, Those of us on SiSi when this was being tested believed that the idea was that clothes would be in the 1~5 AUR range, and that 1~2 plex would stock out a shop so people could go in and buy the stuff in it for isk....
That will never happen with clothes that cost in the order of 1 plex each.
stocking out a store changes from $15~$30 to $1500~$3000.... which is ludicrous.
A far better option (assuming you consider any MT to be acceptable) that takes the player market into account, is for the NEX to sell clothing BPO's or BPC's for clothing/items. These clothes could then be manufactured by players in bulk amounts using PI materials. The BP's if long enough run (or BPO's) might justify the higher price tag, as they produce thousands of items of clothing. (you might also have the odd, super vanity item, like the blasted monocle, that are only available through the NEX)
This scheme is what the NEX would look like if it truly belonged in eve, player driven manufacturing, not making stuff appear from nowhere with a magic fairy button. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Handsom Dan
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:09:00 -
[488]
First, you can shut CQ off... for now.
Second, can someone explain the video card overheating bit? I've talked to few folks who are complaining that the cards are hitting 90c...and? That's well with in operating temp and probably still not running the cooling fan at 100%. I think this needs to be quantified as, I'd suspect many people complaining about over heating, don't understand what that means.
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Xyyreen
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:13:00 -
[489]
Originally by: Ms Freak
-------------------------- Forenote -------------------------- Issue 1: Removal of the "Hanger View" Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ. Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hanger view and "Ship spinning". Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP. Community Request: Return the hanger view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button. --------------------------------------------------------------
+1kk Hands down biggest Incarna issue.
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Tygr Wolf
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:27:00 -
[490]
Ms Freak, well done.
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:34:00 -
[491]
Ignore The Mittani/csm every day.
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 -
[492]
The OP pretty much sums up the issues i have with the incarna patch.
IMO the best solution to the CQ would be to still have the "ship spinning" hangar and a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG icon "Enter Captain's Quarters". And add the option to go "directly" to the CQ. That would make everyone happy even if the option is checked by default. Right now there just is no reason to go into CQ for us. But i'm sure later there will be when more content for it comes out. CCP won't need to force us using it
About the NeX prices: Divide them all by ten sounds good. No clothing item should be more than 5$. Though I'd still have no problem with the monocle being 70$ ^^ Hell why not...
I personally WANT to buy clothes for my character, but the high prices are unakzeptable. Make them cheap and i'll happily buy them. Make them cheaper and you could even make them destructible (as long as i can take them off before going into a suicide-fight )
And PROMISE not to EVER sell items that have ANY game-changing effects! Keep it with looks & style. --------------------------------------------------
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:44:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Handsom Dan First, you can shut CQ off... for now.
Second, can someone explain the video card overheating bit? I've talked to few folks who are complaining that the cards are hitting 90c...and? That's well with in operating temp and probably still not running the cooling fan at 100%. I think this needs to be quantified as, I'd suspect many people complaining about over heating, don't understand what that means.
The "Overheating" issue is fairly complex, in a vein (and possibly wrong) attempt to summarise it:
Some video cards can operate high temperatures, they do however tend to produce extremely strange results when running at those temperatues and those that are on the budget end of the scale tend to have ineffecient cooling solutions (they are cheaper after all). When computers over heat they generate errors which leads to graphics tearing, broken textures, slow-down, visual issues etc etc.
Most computers and components cannot operate at that sort of temperate and when they do they increase the ambient temp. inside the PC. This in turn leads to other components getting hot, and you get a cascade effect.
The primary cause for software overheating hardware is down to the use of excessive/extreme processing. When a computer runs a game/program most of the time the CPU and GPU are actually doing not allot (they are waiting for the other one to respond, or RAM, or hard disk, or for the monitor to catch-up etc, etc). This means they aren't consuming power which means they aren't generating heat. When something is using processing power all the time it generates more heat than normal, then we get into a cycle of using warm to air to cool something which makes the air hotter... rinse, repeat.
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:48:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Ms Freak Quite possibly one of the most insightful/thought provoking things i've ever read on this forum! Nicely said.
Thx, I'm just trying to raise my voice for the cause!
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:01:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Belid Hagen
*snip*
so.... we should start buying up CCP stock as a community?
I'm in.
I'm not sure that's exactly what he was getting at. More along the lines of working together to be better and that there are exmaples of this actually working
That said, Yes i will be buying stock
Yes, I meant this in the latter way - but now, I too feel comfortable with the idea of buying stock! If this gets real, I may really opt in!
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:07:00 -
[496]
Edited by: Franz Sigel on 28/06/2011 13:07:51
Originally by: Xyyreen
Originally by: Ms Freak
-------------------------- Forenote -------------------------- Issue 1: Removal of the "Hanger View" Why all the "Rage"?: Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ. Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hanger view and "Ship spinning". Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP. Community Request: Return the hanger view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button. --------------------------------------------------------------
+1kk Hands down biggest Incarna issue.
I've always been understanding CQ as an equivalent to Lotro housing - as a way to make oneself comfortable within EvE at a cozy place when the battling is done. I would also appreciate if this would be, as planned, extended to new branches of player economy (shops within stations), as far as this will be balanced into the gaming experience (dont't want no Second Life unrelated to EvE's player culture). But as CQ currently is nothing more than a redundant user interface with the charm of a broom closet, I can happily dispense with it until more useful station modelling is added.
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DragonHelm III
Solaris Project Border World Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:14:00 -
[497]
Nice to see a well contructed reponse to the community issues instead of rage posts.
CCP management should read this thread a few dozen times then when they think they understand read it a dozen more times and get their answers ready for the forthcomming CSM meeting.
Company survival may rest on the outcome of that meeting. Which should be made public ASAP
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Kei Yuma
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:23:00 -
[498]
very good post btw
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LottoFreek
Freeky Lottos
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:24:00 -
[499]
Sticky plz... Join my in game mailing list - Freeky Lottos |
DiggerSOSS
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:44:00 -
[500]
+1
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Professor Shinn
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:27:00 -
[501]
+1 * 9 accounts
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MinerGod
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:18:00 -
[502]
+1
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praznimrak
Gallente Level Up
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:37:00 -
[503]
praznimrak love this post....CCp watch this way
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karmaaa
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:38:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Ms Freak Edited by: Ms Freak on 25/06/2011 14:26:36 -------------------------- Forenote -------------------------- @CCP: I LOVE your AMAZING game and so i have created this thread to give you the raw concise issues to they may be address. Each one needs addressing somehow and you should know that keeping to CCP Pann's "calling spades 'spades'" would be a wise choice. If you mean "No", say it to avoid further confusion.
@Community: I am not attempting to become a "mediator" I simply wish to ensure that CCP are given a clear and concise list of the issues we have at present that are at the root of the current anger.
@All: I will be as un-bias as i possibly can be towards any of the issues and will keep this post (and the next one) as up to date as possible. The issues listed below are in no particular order and no one issue is given any more or less importance than any other to ensure that each one can be addressed. If i have missed something please post to let me know and i will update this post. If you are in agreement with any of the points please post it's number so that CCP can see the "priorities". Keep discussion CONSTRUCTIVE. --------------------------------------------------------------
+1 / would like to see a mention of mmo killer Sony in there as well.
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:44:00 -
[505]
i must admit i was stunned that if you dont like this optional captains quaters (and remember this is a spaceship game, watching tv in the CQ is optional and should always be optional) the view you get is to be shown the door, literally i mean ARE THERE NO PR PEOPLE OVER THERE? i know they employ brits and americans so its not a cultural reference thing but i mean seriously!? if this is an accident its the dumbest move ever, if deliberate its actual literal contempt to the face Me? im just sitting here,
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karmaaa
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:51:00 -
[506]
Edited by: karmaaa on 28/06/2011 16:52:55
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto i must admit i was stunned that if you dont like this optional captains quaters (and remember this is a spaceship game, watching tv in the CQ is optional and should always be optional) the view you get is to be shown the door, literally i mean ARE THERE NO PR PEOPLE OVER THERE? i know they employ brits and americans so its not a cultural reference thing but i mean seriously!? if this is an accident its the dumbest move ever, if deliberate its actual literal contempt to the face
Tbh, the amount of stupidity inside a gaming company can be astounding, I have personally worked for two so far, Blizzard Entertainment and IO interactive. The ego and lack of respect of clients can be astounding at times, not to mention the treatment of lower level employees.
/Karm
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:55:00 -
[507]
Originally by: karmaaa Edited by: karmaaa on 28/06/2011 16:52:55
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto i must admit i was stunned that if you dont like this optional captains quaters (and remember this is a spaceship game, watching tv in the CQ is optional and should always be optional) the view you get is to be shown the door, literally i mean ARE THERE NO PR PEOPLE OVER THERE? i know they employ brits and americans so its not a cultural reference thing but i mean seriously!? if this is an accident its the dumbest move ever, if deliberate its actual literal contempt to the face
Tbh, the amount of stupidity inside a gaming company can be astounding, I have personally worked for two so far, Blizzard Entertainment and IO interactive. The ego and lack of respect of clients can be astounding at times, not to mention the treatment of lower level employees.
/Karm
I personally i think someone at CCP thought it would be funny and people would see the funny side of it.
They well might of, had the rest been ok!
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Mantreh
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:01:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
Originally by: Noran Ferah In all seriousness, why bother with all this feigned outrage? I can go buy myself a titan pilot (and a titan) for RM right now, and nobody cares. That is using RM for an in-game advantage. Why is there no outrage against that? To not rail and howl against the CCP supported ability to buy characters and isk for cash, this is all a logical fallacy.
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
For the hundred millionth time, that titan was made ingame by players with botted resources. More or less conjured by a complete lack of effort in an attempt to gouge another player out of their ISK ... often used to make more RMT possible. And thus the circle of players abusing players worse than CCP ever could continues.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:02:00 -
[509]
Man I cant believe this isnt bothering anyone else
-Being called a "Golden Goose". To this I have to say F*CK YOU, you A*SHAT! Oh and btw -4 subscriptions, permanently. Im not a f'ing goose, Im a person, and someone who WAS invested in your game. I dont like being referred to as "the sucker" or your "sugar daddy", or your perpetual egg layer that you get to cash in on - you twit
-That I as a player am funding OTHER GAMES, resources that SHOULD be spent on FIXING primary Bugs, issues and balance content in EVE that has been outstanding for a VERY LONG TIME. In addition, I dont like the fact that it is very clear to me now that what I suspected to be occuring was occuring - namely that you were adding shiney new content to attract subs so that you could fund the development of OTHER games, rather than fixing issues in your primary game
-The following comment from Zulu "I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog. - They arent my issues dip sh*t they are YOUR F*CKING ISSUES. Someone seriously needs to demote Zulu back to a grunt coding position or something, this isnt the first time he has stepped on the player base and said something stupid.
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:02:00 -
[510]
true enough ms Freak, but i always remember the first rule of the netz, (one ive fallen foul of) unless talking to a person face to face, the 'emotional content' gets lost and what i write as a sardonic tongue in cheek friendly joke may come across in plain text to bob smith as a vile insult and plain hurtful, without the other person to go by we use our own outlook, personality and feelings to fill in the blanks, and in any large enough group of people a bunch would take the showing the door joke the wrong way, its human nature, those would scream HOW DARE THEY!!!!! OMG!!!!! and then because when you tell someone hey did you spot the mini deathstar in the apocrypha background people will look for it and see it even if its not there because their mind tries to fulfil its own expectations, thus it becomes a self sustaining phenomena as people who didnt see the bad side suddenly do,
thats why you have to be damn careful what you do and how you do it, if it was a joke they should have explained it right away to do the whole 'get it eh lolz' bit to make people see it as funny, but with everything else going on in incarna alot of people were predisposed to see it as the insult, i didnt see it as an insult, then someone mentioned hey they are showing us the door, then i just facepalmd at the sheer dumbass of doing it Me? im just sitting here,
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:05:00 -
[511]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto true enough ms Freak, but i always remember the first rule of the netz, (one ive fallen foul of) unless talking to a person face to face, the 'emotional content' gets lost and what i write as a sardonic tongue in cheek friendly joke may come across in plain text to bob smith as a vile insult and plain hurtful, without the other person to go by we use our own outlook, personality and feelings to fill in the blanks, and in any large enough group of people a bunch would take the showing the door joke the wrong way, its human nature, those would scream HOW DARE THEY!!!!! OMG!!!!! and then because when you tell someone hey did you spot the mini deathstar in the apocrypha background people will look for it and see it even if its not there because their mind tries to fulfil its own expectations, thus it becomes a self sustaining phenomena as people who didnt see the bad side suddenly do,
thats why you have to be damn careful what you do and how you do it, if it was a joke they should have explained it right away to do the whole 'get it eh lolz' bit to make people see it as funny, but with everything else going on in incarna alot of people were predisposed to see it as the insult, i didnt see it as an insult, then someone mentioned hey they are showing us the door, then i just facepalmd at the sheer dumbass of doing it
LOL - Yes - Exactly. It took me an hour or two to realise it as well! (But i did sort of see the funny side, what made me annoyed was the arrogance it portrayed given the rest of everything)
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Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:10:00 -
[512]
Hire this guy. Fire at least 5 from your old customer care department. Win! me |
Olwein
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:11:00 -
[513]
+1 amen to the OP |
Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:11:00 -
[514]
perfect case in point then ms freak,
i was half torn between facepalm oh no that was dumb and are they deliberatly being rude, you saw a bit funny and a bit worried by arrogance, some didnt get it, others exploded in rage,
in any case what it was in total was CARELESS, a company that has contempt for its customers shouldnt let them find out, a company that cares for its customers shouldnt make them think they dont, a company that wants to be light hearted should make sure everyone gets the joke, Me? im just sitting here,
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Mahabhava
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:12:00 -
[515]
+3 and CORP C C P PLEASE L I S T E N
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:16:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto perfect case in point then ms freak,
i was half torn between facepalm oh no that was dumb and are they deliberatly being rude, you saw a bit funny and a bit worried by arrogance, some didnt get it, others exploded in rage,
in any case what it was in total was CARELESS, a company that has contempt for its customers shouldnt let them find out, a company that cares for its customers shouldnt make them think they dont, a company that wants to be light hearted should make sure everyone gets the joke,
I'll +1 that
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 -
[517]
Originally by: caldar ian ... 7 years of my life betrayed.
LOL...
7 years of your life? EVE is your life you poor sob? You didn't have any fun in the last 7 years?
Oh I get it, you thought everything would stay the same forever... TSK, TSK...
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Darik Jita
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 -
[518]
Goddam, folks: Hangar is where you store your ships. Hanger is what you use to abort your underage girlfriend's unexpected pregnancy.
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Anistazana
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:18:00 -
[519]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Franz Sigel We have a pen&paper RPG in Germany, +The Dark Eye½ (Das Schwarze Auge), which works as a mutual maintenance/caretaking of community-by-company and company-by-community in a way similar to Eve. The simulated world, compared to other Fantasy RPG's, displays (imho) an unrivalled richness which is due to the engagement and the contributions of the community, while the company (whose body corporate has changed over times while the core team has been more or less persisting) keeps a close contact to the community. And there's a similar tier of CSM as with Eve/CCP, which is channeling that communication.
Now Eurogamer has made an important point:
+The option to assume a Gordon Gecko mentality and capitalise further on EVE Online only exists because of the players. The sandbox that led to the stories that enthrall even non-players doesn't belong to CCP - it belongs to the community.½
This has already been pointed out in multiple posts of the Eve Community, but I feel compelled to pointedly add my own angle of view:
The whole thing boils down, as in the real world, to a question of good and legitimate government - Eve (and +The Dark Eye½ alike), as a mutual product of Company and Community, has been and could still be a model case of how Capitalism, while being about money, nevertheless builds upon information (Hayek's POV: markets are about processing information, primarily, and money is only a means to that). Undock from the flow of community information - and your business gets over the heads of the People, loses its contact to Reality, and finally produces its own legitimation crisis.
There used to be a lot of talk once (at least in Europe) about what +economic democracy½ could mean - here we have a practical working example: a Company that functions as the corporated heart of a Community to realize the visions of that community - which are, ideally, at least compatible with the visions of the Company's staff. Subscription fees are the taxes payed by the Community to keep its Government up and running - while they duly expect that this Government be Good and Legitimate and hence take care of the needs and aspirations of its People.
So, finally, the idea of legitimate government is not a metaphor her, it's the real thing - thus we may adopt the slogan that led to the Boston Tea Party of 1773: +No taxation without representation!½. For Eve is not only a game (and a virtual economy), but an example of real world economy as well, to which the Community is dedicating not only their money, but their irretrievable lifetime, too! So please, CCP, don't f**k with our lifetime - at least not with mine!
Quite possibly one of the most insightful/thought provoking things i've ever read on this forum! Nicely said.
Do we the players need a Magna Carta? Something to define the rights and privileges?
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:25:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Ms Freak Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
Of everything that's happened with this expansion and the lead up to, this is the one that makes me the saddest inside.
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Zach 101
Caldari Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:26:00 -
[521]
I have always said 'I don't mind what CCP does until it starts to seriously effect my game play in a negative direction.' CCP seems to be ignoring that this is becoming serious, becoming, meaning not quite there yet, turn it around CCP pay attention to the people who pay you. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Dohl Khrensen
Originally by: Ms Freak Makes EvE the laughing stock of MMO's.
Of everything that's happened with this expansion and the lead up to, this is the one that makes me the saddest inside.
Couldn't have said it better
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 -
[523]
oh and for more great head-desk moments from me, the whole
but $1000 jeans!
*THUMP*
oh no dont try to justify by comparing to real physical
*THUMP*
better stop doing that my computer desk is made of steel Me? im just sitting here,
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:46:00 -
[524]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto oh and for more great head-desk moments from me, the whole
but $1000 jeans!
*THUMP*
oh no dont try to justify by comparing to real physical
*THUMP*
better stop doing that my computer desk is made of steel
LOL - I may well jsut put that in my bio!!
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:47:00 -
[525]
Razor alliance providing you the words to live by since 2005
let loose the Goats! Me? im just sitting here,
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:11:00 -
[526]
i think Ms Freak you may have to reference and wrap in the COO interview thats being talked about round here, it seems to be more oh god you dont know what your saying do you, type material Me? im just sitting here,
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:17:00 -
[527]
Bumping to keep on front page.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:23:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto i think Ms Freak you may have to reference and wrap in the COO interview thats being talked about round here, it seems to be more oh god you dont know what your saying do you, type material
Quite Possibly. I will monitor the situation.
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:25:00 -
[529]
mainly i think its a corollary to the hilmar email and Zulu's first devblog in that it dosnt sound helpful and just perpetuates the negative perceptions that are out there
dear CCP welcome to the Hell News Cycle, it just never ends Me? im just sitting here,
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Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:11:00 -
[530]
+1 as well, all good points that need to be addressed. Nice work Ms Freak.
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GateRaider
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:16:00 -
[531]
+1
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:18:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto mainly i think its a corollary to the hilmar email and Zulu's first devblog in that it dosnt sound helpful and just perpetuates the negative perceptions that are out there
dear CCP welcome to the Hell News Cycle, it just never ends
Added and related to existing issues. I won't add any further communicatiopn related issues as i i think they may well ahve got the point by now!!
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:19:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Takashi Halamoto mainly i think its a corollary to the hilmar email and Zulu's first devblog in that it dosnt sound helpful and just perpetuates the negative perceptions that are out there
dear CCP welcome to the Hell News Cycle, it just never ends
Added and related to existing issues. I won't add any further communicatiopn related issues as i i think they may well ahve got the point by now!!
optimism wow, thought that was out of fashion, Me? im just sitting here,
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Chas Davia
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:29:00 -
[534]
+1
Postive outcome and I may resub... whatching what you do, not what you say...
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:32:00 -
[535]
My issue is how long will we only have 7 devs working on the spaceship features part of eve?
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777
We know there are 102 eve devs working on things other than the spaceship part of the game. (incarna, dust links, and eve gate etc.) How many devs does our subscription money pay for in different games while our game remains broken?
And did you forget the fw roundtable?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1489084
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:47:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
For the hundred millionth time.
That titan was made in game by players with mined resources. Not conjured by an ingame shop.
I fail to see the relevance to this argument. I can buy isk for RM per CCP guidelines, and then buy myself a character. Empirically, where the character or isk comes from is truly irrelevant. What matters is the result: A one week old player can have a 100M SP Character and as many ships as they desire; all it takes is cash. That is the fact. Are you truly naive enough to believe that CCP does not manipulate what passes for an 'economy' in the game?
If you truly believe that this in-game economy is player driven, you are fooling yourself. This pseudo-economy is guided by players, but it is maintained, balanced and supported by CCP.
Simply put, RMT for in-game advantage is available NOW, and has been. You can try to dress it up however you like, but in the end that is the simple fact.
ok me let try to explain it so even you can understand these are just a few examples there are others
yes a guy can buy a character with isk very true yes he can buy a ship with isk ? yes we all do that can he buy a 5000giliwatt GM melt your face death ray of doom more powerful that the finger of GOD himself, that hits you so hard even your entire corp, alliance and offspring will die IN one shot NO HE CAN'T and as long as he cant all is right with the world
can he be a rotten pirate? yes he can we all have that option should he be able to use any means to buy back his his security status when it goes so low he cant get into empire or pay concord to look the other way while he ganks some noob miner ? NO he cant and all is right with the world
i hope this clears up pay2win MT and why we never want to see it in this game
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Predator Nyx
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:55:00 -
[537]
Edited by: Predator Nyx on 28/06/2011 19:54:52
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Noran Ferah
Originally by: Jimmy De'Souza
i hope this clears up pay2win MT and why we never want to see it in this game
Correction, Pay 2 Monocle. Pay 2 Win doesnt exist.
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namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:25:00 -
[538]
+1 excellent write-up
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LordOfValhalla
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:31:00 -
[539]
This new "In-Crap-Ta" update is bull****. It is now disscurraging me from using several clients due to the lagg and other lame ass walking around crap that takes up more time I have no intrest in. If I wanted to play a ****ing first person shooter I would just play my Halo , its way better. This **** is not why i play this game I play it cuz I like the ships. Now i have to dissable the crap and stare at a wall. Now i dont even want to dock up. And i would be appy to just take my old docking screen back. Why can twe get a box to check that allows you to use the old docking window without the bull**** walking around? Makes me start to think if i want to continue play this game if ccp is just going to do whatever they want without asking there paying customers what they might want.
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Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:55:00 -
[540]
+1 to the OP 10/10
Makes everything we have said very easy to read. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Until CSM tells me a good change coming from CCP. |
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Solderan
Gallente Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:06:00 -
[541]
+1 CCP please take notice
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Name Family Name
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:21:00 -
[542]
Good post, especially issue #1.
Could you please change 'Hanger' to 'Hangar'? A Hanger is something quite different...
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:24:00 -
[543]
This really ought to be stickied. If I read one more post along the lines of "so dont buy a monocle you dumbasses, stop whining" ima punch somebody in the groin.
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Dante Tiesto
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:27:00 -
[544]
òOver heating video-cards. This is the only problem tbh, the rest is just people crying.
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Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:44:00 -
[545]
BUMPING TO MAKE IT STICKY (OR STUCK) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Until CSM tells me a good change coming from CCP. |
Leona Elum
Save Jita
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Posted - 2011.06.29 06:09:00 -
[546]
Bump for issues 1, 5 and a lil' on 2. [ IGB: www.savejita.evezone.org ] |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:01:00 -
[547]
2 thumbs up.
Issue #5 and #6 really need to be corrected asap.
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Parum Vir
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:16:00 -
[548]
Edited by: Parum Vir on 29/06/2011 08:18:45 Edited by: Parum Vir on 29/06/2011 08:18:10 Here's hoping they at least look at what we're doing, my rig can run duel client CQ without issue however it is slow crap and pointless. Both accounts have it disabled as a point rather than a can't run it.
Features that, now missing/hidden under layers of mouse clicks, slow down game play:
- Drag and drop ship to make active - Spin ship - Double click to open cargo - Check standings with station owner (more for agent running)
I agree that in the future they may have a reason for WiS however now it should be totally optional, not just an "Don't Load Station Environment" and there is no reason I can see that they can argue this, add to this that it is still unfinished.
I would be interested to see how many players have it turned off and if CCP can see this, it would then be interesting to see how the sale of NeX items compares to players with CQ disabled.
Edited for clarity on some sentances, although most likely still not there
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:28:00 -
[549]
Why in the good respectable name of bowel cancer is this not stickied yet?
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:38:00 -
[550]
My two cents on the Noble Exchange prices:
On the NeX are two items that stand out - one is a skirt for women, the other is a shirt for men. They look really nice, and if I wasn't totally ****ed at CCP for their actions I'd be looking at buying them with ISK.
But here's the thing - each of these items costs 3,600 AUR, when trading a PLEX for AUR comes to 3,500 AUR, which means to buy one of these items you have to trade in a whole 'nother PLEX to make up the 100 AUR you'll be short.
There's no way that's an accident. That's a cheap, dirty and frankly insulting shot at making us spend as much money as we possibly can on these already overpriced-as-**** mega-transactions.
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.29 09:01:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Name Family Name Good post, especially issue #1.
Could you please change 'Hanger' to 'Hangar'? A Hanger is something quite different...
Ah! Yes - in 19 Pages your the first to notice!!
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Oooooh Aaaaah
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Posted - 2011.06.29 23:59:00 -
[552]
Great thread - deserves to be up front
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:15:00 -
[553]
Yes some of the op points are good but other points are just being sensitive that some dev blogs were insulting. I don't really care about that.
The main problem is CCP no longer works on what is fun about eve - flying in space ships.
If they kept working on that they could insult me everyday and I would still subscribe.
Instead they are working on stuff that may end up working well in other games like dust or WOD but is crap in eve. Thats really the crux of it for me. They abandoned the game I like and there is no indication they will ever come back to it.
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Zattakar
DaVinci Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:57:00 -
[554]
+1 well done op and all points covered...bump
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:12:00 -
[555]
Devs...please stick this!!!
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Angst IronShard
Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:15:00 -
[556]
But you all forgot one thing, CCP didn't listen to customers anymore.
. ____________________________________________ Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. |
Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:26:00 -
[557]
very nice thread.
This covers all the main concerns of the players.
However there are also a lot of minor concerns (hell who am I kidding in eve there is over a thousands, que papercuts thread) my one in this is where the pod sits in CQ.
Apparently we get changed out of our pod into clothes on a metal grating hanging out over open space in full view of the entire hanger and our entire ship crew. Wtf is that? The elite and all powerful pod pilots have now been reduced to in station fan service for the common citizens?
Just one of the many things I am seeing from CCP that I am amazed managed to get past QA. Hell there's a mission in game that can never be completed properly, until I recently found a workaround which requires flying 20,000km manually I think the only way people finished it was GM closing it for them. That somehow managed to get passed QA? ------------------- piccy |
Distortus
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:35:00 -
[558]
+1
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:48:00 -
[559]
Ms Freak.
I'd like to put in that the high prices for AUR items should be encouraged.
Actually, you should want them higher.
The reason being is that if CCP releases items that everyone wants and everyone in eve were to cash in a PLEX, the market would literally crash. Keep the AUR prices high and keep those items for the "wealthy". You pay for it with PLEX and that market is very volatile. Screw with that market and EVE will lose a lot of people who depend on it.
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Clementine A
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Posted - 2011.06.30 08:46:00 -
[560]
+1
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Tau Stone
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:26:00 -
[561]
+1
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:05:00 -
[562]
dont forget this great post
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:13:00 -
[563]
Bumping to assist/focus the CSM and CCP's discussions
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Moyra Jurescki
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:08:00 -
[564]
+1, well done.
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Natascha Kerenski
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:15:00 -
[565]
+1 good summary of the things that itches me badly
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The BurlyMan
Minmatar The Entropy Initiative
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:44:00 -
[566]
Tis sooth.
I'm especially butthurt that I run the game on fairly gorgeous settings in space and the CQ is essentially unplayable (that is, lags my clicking menu buttons so bad).
Sooth. |
Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:46:00 -
[567]
Let us all hope that the Dev Blogs that are comming Soon(tm) are going to finally lay this to rest...
(Well here's for hope anyway!)
PS: Hurry up with the blogs already!
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:51:00 -
[568]
Sticky bump.
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Potential Ozuwara
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:58:00 -
[569]
bump
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 15:34:00 -
[570]
It would indeed appear that the answers to the questions in the OP are comming:
Originally by: The Mittani On Twitter @phantam1113 It's a lengthy statement addressing each of the controversies we've faced in the last week or so in no uncertain terms
http://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani
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The BurlyMan
Minmatar The Entropy Initiative
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:10:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Ms Freak It would indeed appear that the answers to the questions in the OP are comming:
Originally by: The Mittani On Twitter @phantam1113 It's a lengthy statement addressing each of the controversies we've faced in the last week or so in no uncertain terms
http://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani
Let's hope so!
Sooth. |
trader tom Bererund
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:11:00 -
[572]
i for one cheered when the attack on jita happened. but everyone forgets one thing. we made eve what it is today. if we were to all leave the game. i think ccp would have a crap but would move on.
+1 to you freak but i doubt that they will answer us. they no longer care.
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Kajira o'Gor
Minmatar 16th Interspacial Dynasty Interspacial Dynasty
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:35:00 -
[573]
When I noticed that a shirt cost more than a fully fitted battleship and a whole load of cargo (1.3 Plex) I about messed my panties. Then I went ahead and cancelled by account.
I just don't see the sense in any of the changes made by CCP, and the NeX shop is just the coup de gras.
I still continue to enjoy Runes of Magic and Wow as well as Rift. I can't wait for T.E.R.A to be released. That one will prove to be fun.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:04:00 -
[574]
BUMP +1 very good
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:20:00 -
[575]
Epic!!!!!!!1
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Black Fred
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:45:00 -
[576]
+1
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crimson moon81
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:58:00 -
[577]
+1
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Heroltior Ghedonia
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Posted - 2011.07.02 09:08:00 -
[578]
+1 and BUMP
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Arnaud Lefevre
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Posted - 2011.07.02 09:27:00 -
[579]
Yes this is very good, I like the terse format, punchy +1
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Ebola Jihad
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Posted - 2011.07.02 10:22:00 -
[580]
Edited by: Ebola Jihad on 02/07/2011 10:23:01 First off; +1 to the orginal post.
I've been in Europe for the last two weeks (18 June to 1 July) and was away from a computer for most of that time. I didn't know anything of the issues or the resultant anger from Incarna until today. I read much of the threadnought and pick up the leaked email posted in this thread. It really hit a nerve with me. I didn't know CCP viewed me and others in the game as simple petulant children and a source of dumb money.
Previous to this, I felt eve was something of a shared experience between the developers and the player base. There was a sense of give and take, when it was, in all reality, more of a "we give" and 'you take" attitude.
I have 3 accounts, and they are now up in the air. My main account turned 8 years old and mine since the game went retail. I knew someday I would log off for the last time and I think my vacation break is a good a time as anyt to take the leap.
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md5oogle
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:28:00 -
[581]
+1
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Gustav Mannfred
Gallente Die Missionrunner von heute
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Posted - 2011.07.03 15:31:00 -
[582]
how are the new weapons and the upcoming backgrounds?
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Marijan Pocetnik
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Posted - 2011.07.09 15:23:00 -
[583]
why this thread died? |
Valarian Blacksun
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Posted - 2011.07.09 15:31:00 -
[584]
it died with eve online.
its dying like a man at the hospital, with the the doctors watching silenty as the plan to take the organ into a emo kids body
"world of darkness" :\ |
Grojar Flesp
Gallente SQS Group
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Posted - 2011.07.09 15:42:00 -
[585]
Signed for all my accounts (+3) |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.07.09 16:19:00 -
[586]
Op needs to add the PEACE IN OUR TIME, neville chamberlin CSM to his list. |
Kerppe Krulli
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Posted - 2011.07.09 16:55:00 -
[587]
If they refuse to sticky the thread where they [don't] Answer All Your questions, why would they sticky another relevant thread that users would want? |
Manique
Caldari Ominous Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.18 14:43:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Franz Sigel We have a pen&paper RPG in Germany, +The Dark Eye½ (Das Schwarze Auge), which works as a mutual maintenance/caretaking of community-by-company and company-by-community in a way similar to Eve. The simulated world, compared to other Fantasy RPG's, displays (imho) an unrivalled richness which is due to the engagement and the contributions of the community, while the company (whose body corporate has changed over times while the core team has been more or less persisting) keeps a close contact to the community. And there's a similar tier of CSM as with Eve/CCP, which is channeling that communication.
Now Eurogamer has made an important point:
+The option to assume a Gordon Gecko mentality and capitalise further on EVE Online only exists because of the players. The sandbox that led to the stories that enthrall even non-players doesn't belong to CCP - it belongs to the community.½
This has already been pointed out in multiple posts of the Eve Community, but I feel compelled to pointedly add my own angle of view:
The whole thing boils down, as in the real world, to a question of good and legitimate government - Eve (and +The Dark Eye½ alike), as a mutual product of Company and Community, has been and could still be a model case of how Capitalism, while being about money, nevertheless builds upon information (Hayek's POV: markets are about processing information, primarily, and money is only a means to that). Undock from the flow of community information - and your business gets over the heads of the People, loses its contact to Reality, and finally produces its own legitimation crisis.
There used to be a lot of talk once (at least in Europe) about what +economic democracy½ could mean - here we have a practical working example: a Company that functions as the corporated heart of a Community to realize the visions of that community - which are, ideally, at least compatible with the visions of the Company's staff. Subscription fees are the taxes payed by the Community to keep its Government up and running - while they duly expect that this Government be Good and Legitimate and hence take care of the needs and aspirations of its People.
So, finally, the idea of legitimate government is not a metaphor her, it's the real thing - thus we may adopt the slogan that led to the Boston Tea Party of 1773: +No taxation without representation!½. For Eve is not only a game (and a virtual economy), but an example of real world economy as well, to which the Community is dedicating not only their money, but their irretrievable lifetime, too! So please, CCP, don't f**k with our lifetime - at least not with mine!
this and some...
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Robert Allne
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Posted - 2011.08.01 21:32:00 -
[589]
+1
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Diondra Reuben
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Posted - 2011.08.02 00:23:00 -
[590]
What is important about being able to spins ships?
If you can answer that without coming across as a shortbus-helmet wearer or a stuck up ahole, maybe the Devs will post :)
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Trader JoeBob
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Posted - 2011.08.31 16:10:00 -
[591]
I doubt the devs thoroughly read this thread any more, but I think if CCP improved their customer relations, i.e. standardized responses to tickets and increased response time from days/a week to hours, they would be able to attract a lot more interest to this game. WoW has a competitive advantage over Eve because it's customer service is top-notch; EvE has a competitive advantage in the type of game play it offers the advanced MMO customer. I love EvE, but customer service needs to be improved.
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Satav
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Posted - 2011.08.31 17:50:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Trader JoeBob I doubt the devs thoroughly read this thread any more, but I think if CCP improved their customer relations, i.e. standardized responses to tickets and increased response time from days/a week to hours, they would be able to attract a lot more interest to this game.
Yeah, I understand that CCP can't watch absolutely everything on the forums but you would think they would take the time to check out threads that have reads and comments in the ten's of thousands!
I myself agree with most of Ms Freak's points. I myself was incredibly disappointed with the direction of the Captain's Quarters. Although, this addition to the game is not harmful and is intreging, something a little more to the theme of this game would have been nice, like new decals or color scemes for ships. This is a space game after all. But I regress.
PS. Ty Ms Freak for posting this constructive and organized outline of why the general eve community was, for lack of a better word, seriouly "****ed" off.
+1
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Wile EC
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Posted - 2011.08.31 19:44:00 -
[593]
The joke thread returns.
Quote: The EvE community is a passionate one
Ya, drama queens judging by this thread
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Fennore
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Posted - 2011.08.31 21:29:00 -
[594]
+1 Bump
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Borg Zorg
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Posted - 2011.08.31 23:33:00 -
[595]
+1
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.08.31 23:40:00 -
[596]
wow 100% correct. Eve online next expansion details |
Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.09.01 04:18:00 -
[597]
+1 Bump....
Best Regards. Nak hak, The Self-Righteous EVE Online, "It will be done when its done. If you don't like it, quit." LOL! |
Shang Fei
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
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Posted - 2011.09.01 08:28:00 -
[598]
+1 very good thread
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Jack Paladin
StarFleet Enterprises BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.01 09:08:00 -
[599]
+1
Simple, straight to the point, and comprehendable.
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Seruiel
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.09.01 12:13:00 -
[600]
/Sign
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.09.01 12:22:00 -
[601]
Wow! My thread lives!! (Again!)
I wrote this originally to try and add some semblence of normality/calm to storm but never expected it to be kept alive after CCP/CSM had the sumit.
I think it's probably time to wait and be paitent now though. The CSM minutes are due out in the next week/two and as much as I hate to admit it CCP did indeed address the issues in the OP:
Was it the desired outcome? - Not entirely.
Do we have ship spinning back? - Not yet but they have promised a "replacement" so there was a compromise.
Have they appologies? - Yes.
Is communication getting better? - It's certainly better, but improvement is still needed.
Let's stop dragging the entire thing up again and move on to the new and the bits we are still waiting for.
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WonderingFrog
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Posted - 2011.09.01 14:05:00 -
[602]
Back on top.Keep posting
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tika te
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Posted - 2011.09.01 14:31:00 -
[603]
+1
few years ago i considered eve devs beiing gods that created my favourite game - i would have rolled the red carpet if i met one of them in person back then. today i would have difficulties controling myself not to take out the shotgun of "lots-of-greetings" or kick them right in their face b'cause of the nonsense they did...
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Samantha Seraya
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.09.01 14:34:00 -
[604]
+1
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Sil le
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Posted - 2011.09.01 15:02:00 -
[605]
+1
OP: Nicely put
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Borg Zorg
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Posted - 2011.09.01 15:09:00 -
[606]
back on top again
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WonderingFrog
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Posted - 2011.09.01 15:33:00 -
[607]
+1
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Borg Zorg
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:36:00 -
[608]
back on top againnnn
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SilentSkills
Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:40:00 -
[609]
make sure to repost this on the new forums once they come online on Monday. +1 The Monocle Definition |
Borg Zorg
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:54:00 -
[610]
Again
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.09.03 05:35:00 -
[611]
keeping this post to the top, as it is the issues with the fixes in one simple post i wish u luck in the hope that ccp stops ****ing around or gets bought out by a more competent company. Eve online next expansion details |
WonderingFrog
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Posted - 2011.09.03 10:12:00 -
[612]
Top Again
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Richard Hammond II
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Posted - 2011.09.03 10:37:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Ms Freak Edited by: Ms Freak on 29/06/2011 09:02:47 Dear CCP,
The following is a distinct break-down of the issues at hand:
Issue 1: Removal of the "Hangar View" Why all the "Rage"?:- Not everyone can run or wants to run CQ.
- Many were/are extremely happy with the old Hangar view and "Ship spinning".
- Most requested feature of CQ testing, ignored by CCP.
Community Request: Return the hangar view and have an "Exit to CQ/WiS" button.
add to that the imminent removal of the ability to turn it off.....
--------- Fear the Hamster Long live Top Gear |
Larton Dretta
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Posted - 2011.09.03 10:55:00 -
[614]
Quote: "where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" - SRSLY?
SRSLY? are you are complete ****ing ******? why would you complain about this, all selfrespecting gaming companies always look at what's happening in the game and not on the forums simply because forums are purely for PR and the players and shouldn't ever be a base for game changes. most players never seen a single forum post, don't be stupid. I've no ****ing clue what you morons were expecting from the e-mails that are being sent within the company, nobody's gonna bull**** their own co-workers, you're being complete ****s and ****ing *******s to people in-game and on the forums all the time and now you're suddenly butt hurt, time to grow the **** up
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