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Raz Xym	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:16:00 - [991] Originally by: Zephy Russ What he said was "gold ammo" in quotation marks. That does not denote a specific item, at the very least it refers to premium ammo full stop and likely refers to more than that. So a sompany that is claiming to be misunderstood, has days and days to determine EXACTLY what they want to say, with no misconceptions and this guys writes "gold ammo". Some people will truly believe anything, and probably buy anything. Sorry Zulu, you are failing hard. We know what is coming.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:19:00 - [992] Originally by: Lord o'Darkness I believe that they would lose more revenue from players leaving than they would gain if they made EVE Pay2Win. They're bankers. They think different to humans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:20:00 - [993] So I read that again. Slower this time. A bit less sleepy than the first time I read it. And I think even less of it now than I did initially. Apologizing for the tone was nice. I liked that. Maybe I'm an ass, but frankly an apology was needed. But once again... What does that sentence mean? I'm a bit of a semantic jerk - it doesn't read as making any sense to me. If trying to achieve clarity was the goal, I'm afraid to say it failed on that score. It should have said either "no - never!" or "sorry, but yeah, pay to win is coming." I want the answer to be no, never. I can accept that the answer could be yes, it's coming. But I need to know. I need to know so I can determine if I will continue playing or not. My other issue is this idea that we need to tell the CSM any other issues we players may want addressed. First, we have. Second, they knew it anyway. Most importantly though - are you serious?! Nearly 400 pages of threadnarok and no one at CCP knows that we have other issues (while not as serious perhaps as pay to win, they're still damned serious!)? And you know what, of course they know. I'd have been much happier to have seen a line akin to "and we will also be discussing some of your other concerns with the CSM such as performance, yadda yadda yadda." Just seems like... Really? You don't really know what we're thinking?
vasuul	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:32:00 - [994] Edited by: vasuul on 27/06/2011 05:42:56 heres a bit of the links to the bad press ccp has earned from its stone walling ...HA yeah wait us out i hope you enjoy your 52 monocles sold http://forum.mmosite.com/thread/2/2/20100616/Top_10_Reasons_Why_MMOs_Are_Dying-4da8339c09edb1813-5.html http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-controversy-erupts-in-protests/ http://n4g.com/news/793980/eve-online-players-protest-against-microtransactions-and-monocles-lasers-involved/com http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/319384/page/1 http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/eve-online-in-game-protest/503801/?page=last http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRgX1g0aeQ& http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/25/1847248/emEVE-Onlineem-Players-Rage-Protest-Over-Microtransactions http://www.blogbookmark.com/story.php?title=eve-online-players-rage-protest-over-microtransactions http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2011/06/riots-in-eve-against-microtransactions.html http://muscatoxblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/eve-online-protests-continue-over.html http://www.pcgamer.com/?p=58382 http://games.on.net/article/12887/EVE_Online_Users_In_Protest_Over_Third_Party_Development_Fees http://beefjack.com/news/eve-online-players-riot-in-game-against-microtransactions/ http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1087505 http://segmentnext.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-new-changes-lead-to-riots-and-fan-rage/?amp& http://massively.joystiq.com/ http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/ http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/ccp-addresses-eve-controversies-in-new-dev-blog/ http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387588,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121 AUR is extortion say no to aur isk is good rl greed sucks, and again we ask WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE " answer us please I hope you don't fill our sandbox with concrete Seriously we are passionate cause we love this game and would hate to see it die if you need more cash raise subs a few dollars and in turn give us some new missions im sure no one would complain if you were honest and said look our production costa are going up and we need to generate a bit more revenue as such rates for playing are going to 19.95 and the AUR well it was a bad idea we will just seed these non vanity items on the market or put em in the lp store
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:48:00 - [995] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: Lord o'Darkness I believe that they would lose more revenue from players leaving than they would gain if they made EVE Pay2Win. They're bankers. They think different to humans. They're called Banksters. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:58:00 - [996] Originally by: Aineko Macx Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: Lord o'Darkness I believe that they would lose more revenue from players leaving than they would gain if they made EVE Pay2Win. They're bankers. They think different to humans. They're called Banksters. Nice one! I like new words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:32:00 - [997] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 27/06/2011 06:33:17 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: Aineko Macx They're called Banksters. Nice one! I like new words. that word was already in use (in the US) during the Great Depression...
Garwain Goodhue	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:35:00 - [998] Disingenious and mealy mouthed, that's how I take this latest post. They know all the issues and do not need CSMs to explain it to them. "Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us *define* and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy." As if our concerns are not real. There must be something else at the heart of it! People's GPUs frying out are not a real problem!
Sandunina	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:38:00 - [999] My dear players, as you may finally realize, in the real world it is all about real money. Prizes for PLEX did scy rocket with sanctums, meaning there have been to much demand and no enough offer for them to keep them down. Basically we don¦t care for the prize of PLEX as long as people buy enough of them which started to fail by sanctums as the common Joe had enough ISK at hands to pay for gameplay with PLEX instead of RL money. We fixed that by removing sanctums for the vast majority of players. We didn¦t care about "your gameplay" or the fact that we destroyed lots of new alliances. We didn¦t care about less pvp and lots of nullsec wastelands. We didn¦t care about 100+ pages of rage on forums. Remember? It is all about real money. Now we introduce even more mechanics to grab your money by introducing a new currency. Did we expect a termoil? Of course we did. We were just not yet ready to deal with this propperly as it was not intended to leak at this time. We planned to introduce this slowly and it kinda worked until some more informations leaked that we never wanted you to know at this time. But remember? It is still about real money. Our concern is now that it is easier and much cheaper to keep people in the game than to acquire new players. Therefore we need one thing more than anything else atm: TIME! In our desperate effort to buy us time, we remembered some guys, we have totally ignored for a long time. CSM. They have been nice cosmetics for us but we never intended to really listen to them. Remeber? It is all about real money and they are not giving us a lot of it. Still they are handy when it comes down to make the playerbase calm down. Our offer for parley on forums backfired on us. So now we offer a parley to CSM. We even pay their transportation to Iceland. Therefore we show that we care otherwise we wouldn¦t pay costy flights. Right? Well did I already mention that it is all about real money? The cost of their flights are peanuts compared to a very chance that after all we did in recent time, a considerable amount of players could leave? To get me right: We don¦t care for them and we don¦t even care that they would leave BUT if we can only make them stay for one or two months longer, then this will overcompensate any flight costs for any useless talks by far. There is something we didn¦t mention yet: We thought about selling EvE to Sony. Let¦s be precise on that. It is not that WE thought about it but our investors -bankers- brought up the idea for their shortterm revenue. But the price is highly dependant on active subscriptions. The thing is, that WE didn¦t make the deal yet and WE are even not a happy bride in this investors driven marriage. So these "leaked" documents are are not as much as painful for US as you may think. Still we need to generate more revenue to avoid a marriage WE don¦t want to have. You see the problem that WE cannot discuss in public? It is all about real money and how to get it from you while you even don¦t realize how it works. Solutions? Non vanity items will be sold. There is no way around it. All we can do is calm down people via CSM. Don¦t be too harsh if you find out, that we lie once we say that there is no "gold ammo". It is not a complete lie. The ammo will be more redish. Cheers CCP Spy
OMGWTFResearch	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:46:00 - [1000] Originally by: Alejan Gerakh I'm going to cite something: This is a CSM meeting. You people do realize that means CCP is footing the bill, on short notice, on intercontinental flights. If this was about greed, would they bother? Perhaps it is a 'delay tactic', but that's still a damn expensive tactic, even for a few monocles. I've flown intercontinental. It cost me $1k, and that was the cheapest I could find a couple months out. Within a week, for how many people? What am I bothering typing this for, though. The people who this argument would be directed against are going to look at everything as deceit and deception, lies and slander, no matter what. I was going to ask if this was really true but it would be insane if that wasn't the case. CSM members going on a 1k flight from their pocket on short notice would be another threadnaught. I agree if CCP wanted this as a delay tactic it is a DAMMMMMMN expensive one.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:47:00 - [1001] Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu Facts / Simple Opinions: - Current NeXus items are really high-end items, there will be cheaper items in the future. (I'd expect a price cut though.) ~~- CCP does not have any plans to implement "Pay to Win" items in the NeXus.~~ The internal communication says otherwise. - Their past promise was that the items they introduce would not affect game play or game mechanics. ~~- They never said Eve would not have Micro-Transanctions.~~ Yes they did. - DUST 514 and World of Darkness will use Vanity and Non-Vanity Micro-Transactions almost exclusively. ~~- Any Ship/Modules/Ammunition implemented on the NeXus will be in the form of BPOs/BPCs or direct trade-ins.~~ Unknown at this point. In fact, in its current incarnation, the NeX can't even do that. - The only "ship" they have PLANS to implement is the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, which is just a STANDARD Scorpion with a fancy paint job. (Scorpion + AUR = Ishukone Watch Scorpion) - The Internal Newsletter 'Fearless' only introduces EXAGGERATED opposing viewpoints for the sole purpose of a Micro-Transaction debate. Seeing as how they are using MTs in DUST and WoD, this debate is necessary. That newletter holds no promises to implement or not to implement anything in EVE, DUST, or World of Darkness. No, it introduces more than that ù read the spread after the pro/con. - The supposed e-mail from Hilmar, seems to only have been written to encourage CCP's employees. There will be negative responses to any major change, and hurtful words will be thrown around. The message in his email was to focus more on what is happening and why people are upset, than to focus on the hurtful words. - A CCP employee, investor, or someone with relations with CCP, had to leak both the newsletter and email. I am more worried about what other information they have access to, than the information contained in the document / email they leaked. Is there any risk that my account information has been compromised? So your "facts" aren't all that factual in some key areasà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Elina Tan	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:55:00 - [1002] Originally by: Garwain Goodhue Disingenious and mealy mouthed, that's how I take this latest post. They know all the issues and do not need CSMs to explain it to them. "Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us *define* and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy." As if our concerns are not real. Cut 'em some slack, will ya? Of course CCP aren't going to debate the matter with each and every individual posting here -- and even in my angriest hour I wasn't expecting them to. The CSM officially speaks for the EVE players, that's just how it works, and it's a fair arrangement. And since the CSM has made clear, on several occasions, to be eminently aware of the real issues, doh, you can safely take off your tinfoil hat now. :) Do I fully trust CCP again? Not really, no; but I trust that the message finally got thru to them: either because of the bad publicity, or because of what we wrote here -- it doesn't matter, really. Where CCP will take EVE in the future, only they know (and maybe not even that). I trust in the CSM enough, though, to let CCP know in which direction we, the people, don't want to see EVE go. And should the outcome of it all be that CCP goes ahead with pay-to-win items regardless, then I'll trust the CSM to communicate that bad new to us as well. So, nothing left for me than to just sit back a week and wait what word returns from Iceland. It's going to be an interesting set of meetings, at least, of that I'm sure. :)
Hyperforce99 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:59:00 - [1003] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 27/06/2011 06:59:57 Originally by: Sandunina My dear players, bla bla bla... Cheers CCP Spy There is no merger between CCP and Sony, this has been confirmed. CCP will not Sell NON-Vanity items, Read the latest blog AGAIN. Overall made up speculative bull**** all round. Wait till the CSM summit is done and listen to what they have to say. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Casey Roy	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:02:00 - [1004] Arnar Hrafn Gylfason says: Quote: Rabble rabble rabble wonk wonk wonk blah blah blah
Vallah Hanaya	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:04:00 - [1005] Hey Zulu, thanks ffor the new blog. glad you're calling out the csM and are working to fix this debocale. But no goold ammo wasn't the wors I was looking to hear. gold ammo isn't gold ships or gold inplants. I don't think the community will rest until the words "AUR WILL NOT GO BEYOND VANITY ITEMS" is written in a blog.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:08:00 - [1006] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 27/06/2011 06:33:17 Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Originally by: Aineko Macx They're called Banksters. Nice one! I like new words. that word was already in use (in the US) during the Great Depression... New to me :-) Where is Jade Constantine? Need a new lexicon! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:11:00 - [1007] Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 26/06/2011 19:03:53 Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 26/06/2011 18:46:23 It's extremely disappointing that CCP is unable to repeat its promise that was made to the CSM one year ago. How hard is it to simply say: "There will never be non-vanity microtransactions"? That's all we want. ----- Originally by: devblog there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" Please allow me to not belive you at all. In a part of the newsletter called "Delivering the goods: Virtual sales in Incarna", Originally by: newsletter Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright. They keyword is WILL. It's not "might" or "we are considering". It reads like a done deal. So allow me to call bull** on "never have been plans to sell gold ammo". ----- Also, "There HAVE BEEN no plans" does not mean "There WILL NOT be plans". ----- Once again, Please repeat after me: "There will never be non-vanity MT's in Eve Online". That's all we want you to say and you still refuse to do it. Saying that little sentence will restore the confidence, because that devblog just looks like some poor attempt at damage control. The devblog says nothing, it's totally empty. This. Also: Originally by:** Dark Jita what you do, not what you say --------------------- Unsubbed.
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:11:00 - [1008] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 07:13:26 Originally by: Hyperforce99 There is no merger between CCP and Sony, this has been confirmed. CCP will not Sell NON-Vanity items, Read the latest blog AGAIN. lol, ok I'll just believe you instead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE edit: you an alt of Hyperdallas? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:23:00 - [1009] tl;dr of this thread: You completely ignore the fact that the newsletter was a ****ing discussion catalyst. Nothing more. EVERY games developer does that. Every single one. These are used to throw ideas into the room, and get a discussion going. Not more, not less. DICE probably had a newsletter concerning MT for Battlefield 3, or Massive Entertainment for buying gold tanks for WIC.
Lamthara Lachesis Amarr NeoCorteX Industry Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:28:00 - [1010] Originally by: Lord o'Darkness Edited by: Lord o''Darkness on 27/06/2011 04:17:04 Originally by: tika te Edited by: tika te on 26/06/2011 23:40:28 they dont care. face it. pay2win or "how winbutton works.." There is one huge difference between Battlefield: Heroes and EVE, EVE is a subscription based game. Let us use the information in the video to compare the two games. The subscription gives CCP a monthly ARPU of somewhere between $10.95 and $14.99 (technically up $17.50 if everyone was buying plex directly, but I imagine that, in reality, it is a low percentage of the player-base which does this). In Battlefield: Heroes the lifetime ARPU is somewhere around $2.20 according to the presentation. Players in Battlefield: Heroes are paying much less than EVE players. As John Turbefield said, introducing Pay2Win in EVE would make the players feel they are being "double-billed". Not only does Pay2Win not put everyone on equal footing and give wealthier players advantages, but in a game where players are already being charged a subscription, it is unreasonable to charge for game-affecting items. The two systems cannot exist at the same time without being felt as unfair to the player-base (In my opinion a subscription model is more fair to players as it gives no party an advantage for having wealth). Furthermore, converting EVE entirely to Pay2Win would most likely decrease CCP's revenue, see how Battlefield: Heroes gives a lifetime ARPU of $2.20 and an Eve player generates a monthly ARPU several times higher for CCP. I personally have no qualms with vanity cash shop items, but adding in game-affecting items is going a step too far. In my opinion, the best course of action for CCP to take would be to keep the NeX store, but limit it to vanity items only; if players want to spend money to make their Avatars look better, that is their choice. We have yet to see if CCP will introduce game-affecting items, but from CCP Zulu's last blog, it sounds to me as if they are not going to (at least at this time). After this meeting with the CSM, CCP will hopefully give us a clear answer about whether or not they will be introducing non-vanity NeX store items. As of now, we are stuck with having to put a little of our faith in CCP, even though they have been less than transparent with information. CCP has made this game great for over 8 years and will hopefully continue to do so. Without product development, the game will become outdated as with any software. I can only hope that CCP will continue take it in the right direction. Edit: TL;DR: Pay2Win + a subscription is a bad idea, and a subscription model is almost certain to make CCP more money than a F2P model. ^ this! Every model has its own pro's and con's and every model can be accepted. What can't be accepted is merge them to create a new hybrid paying system where the customer has to pay to login in (subscription) and then pay again to play on pair with the others (micro-transaction).
Casey Roy	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:31:00 - [1011] Edited by: Casey Roy on 27/06/2011 07:31:44 Originally by: DuKackBoon Edited by: DuKackBoon on 27/06/2011 07:27:12 tl;dr of this thread: You completely ignore the fact that the newsletter was a **ing discussion catalyst. Nothing more. EVERY games developer does that. Every single one. These are used to throw ideas into the room, and get a discussion going. Not more, not less. DICE probably had a newsletter concerning MT for Battlefield 3, or Massive Entertainment for buying gold tanks for WIC. EDIT: I did such a news-letter about a different topic for the 5-man team I had behind my CnC3 mod a while ago... Exactly and the Fearless newsletter was a discussion catalyst for implementing MT for exclusive gamechanging content. It was not "if we should do mt for gamechanging content." It was a HOW TO and WHAT. Quote:** Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:31:00 - [1012] Originally by: DuKackBoon tl;dr of this thread: You completely ignore the fact that the newsletter was a ****ing discussion catalyst. Nothing more. And discussion they had. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:36:00 - [1013] Originally by: DuKackBoon You completely ignore the fact that the newsletter was a ****ing discussion catalyst. You completely ignore the weight of collaboratory evidence and CCPs omission of not being able to answer without self incrimination. or the fact the CSM has been recalled to Iceland to work out a NEW plan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Lidia Prince Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:37:00 - [1014] Interesting step, I like. Are we talking about whole CSM? Will UAxDeath and Mittani participate? I love those guys. You hate changes? CCP have gone too far? Then support PvP players! Send all ISK to Lidia Prince and biomass your character now!
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:41:00 - [1015] Originally by: DuKackBoon tl;dr of this thread: You completely ignore the fact that the newsletter was a ***ing discussion catalyst. ôSpecifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna? In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere: we give players the means to buy stuff in addition to their base subscription, offering things like new ônano-paintsö that allow one to customize ships while docked; new articles of virtual clothing, tattoos, and other avatar customizations; tokens for customizing CaptainÆs Quarters and so on. Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright. The devil, as always, is in the details. [à] One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings.ö Doesn't sound particularly catalytic or like a discussionà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP*
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:47:00 - [1016] Hey Tippa, wd on that brief. I didn't really go through it in detail but at a glance it looks like you managed to avoid "pet issues". Every other brief like that has been pushed while people didn't agree with it. Was the cause of Hilmar learning not to trust the communities word I think. Still don't think a document raised in a mob is a good starting point for changes but you did very well to capture the issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Crystal Cornelious	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:50:00 - [1017] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: DuKackBoon tl;dr of this thread: You completely ignore the fact that the newsletter was a ****ing discussion catalyst. ôSpecifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna? In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere: we give players the means to buy stuff in addition to their base subscription, offering things like new ônano-paintsö that allow one to customize ships while docked; new articles of virtual clothing, tattoos, and other avatar customizations; tokens for customizing CaptainÆs Quarters and so on. Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright. The devil, as always, is in the details. [à] One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings.ö Doesn't sound particularly catalytic or like a discussionà Catalytic or not, MT works. Battlefield: Heroes is a perfect example that people are willing to pay to get an 'edge' over other players. MT has been in EVE for years already with the enhanced PLEX system, aren't many of the EVE players using this system to get more ISK? The only thing I see right now, is people getting mad, because with MT their 50m+ SP character won't be as powerful as it was before, simply because it can be beaten by a player with half that amount of SP but a better, exclusive to NeX, ship. For years, there's been a debate that "SP means nothing, it's about player skill" so if SP don't matter, why all the fuzz?
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:52:00 - [1018] Originally by: Constantinus Maximus I didn't really go through it in detail but at a glance it looks like you managed to avoid "pet issues". Nahà My pet issue of the disastrous Mac patch and the abject testing failure that went into is in thereà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:54:00 - [1019] Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 07:56:21 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Constantinus Maximus I didn't really go through it in detail but at a glance it looks like you managed to avoid "pet issues". Nahà My pet issue of the disastrous Mac patch and the abject testing failure that went into is in thereà Bugs are fine :-) It's when people start screaming about nerf/buff of their fav ship in the middle of more pressing issues. edit: I really can't remember the specific issue but some doc got implemented word for word when Noah and half the community knew it was game breaking. Another case of missing the issue amongst the noise.... Like "oh it's the price people are upset about". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc FINALLY SOME TRUTH!!
Casey Roy	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:00:00 - [1020] Originally by: Crystal Cornelious Catalytic or not, MT works. There are MMOs where it works well and MMOs where it doesn't. There are very financially successful and profitable MMOs, where, when given a choice, many players opt for a subscription shard instead of a F2P MT shard when both are available. Since Eve is a single shard/server experience, we don't have a choice of going to a non MT server. CCP will have to decide if losing X number of players due to implementing MT based skills, items, and standings is worth it.

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