Updated stats

250mm Railgun II with Spike:
DPS: 20
Alpha: 92
Optimal: 65 km
Falloff: 15 km
Cap/sec: -1.1
PG: 187.2
CPU: 31.5

Heavy Beam Laser II with Aurora:
DPS: 21
Alpha: 91
Optimal: 54 km
Falloff: 10 km
Cap/sec: -3.8
PG: 223.2 (previously 248.5)
CPU: 27.8

720mm Artillery II with Tremor:
DPS: 17
Alpha: 242
Optimal: 54 km
Falloff: 22 km
Cap/sec: 0
PG: 223.2 (previously 248.5)
CPU: 24

Heavy Missile Launcher II with Caldari Navy Scourge:
DPS: 26 (previously 29)
Alpha: 213 (previously 237)
Range: 63 km (previously 84)
Cap/sec: 0
PG: 94.5
CPU: 41.3
Explosion radius: 140 (previously 125)

The explosion radius change turns out to be roughly a 12% dps decrease against targets with a signature radius of 125 or lower (which is non-MWDing armor tanked T1 and T2 but not T3 cruisers). A target painter negates this.

The question is if this will be enough to curb the HML Drake proliferation. I would not be surprised if HML Drakes continued to be very popular in their bracket after this set of changes. What the numbers above don't reveal is the massive tank that a Drake can field (due to low fitting requirements of HMLs). The loss in HML range is also less severe than it appears since missile acceleration is improved at the same time. The increase in missile speed is a straight buff.

So yes, HML Drakes will be weaker overall and might have to fit a missile speed rig but I still don't see any competitors in their price class that offers a similarly good combination of dps, hitpoints and range.

.Perhaps you should consult your player base...

About the most educated post a CSM can make... glad you got elected bro... really serving the populace.

Yeah, lets not hammer firewalls down Elise.. not like your alliance hasn't figured them out perfectly... wouldn't want to make the game challenging for you at all.

You don't balance this game around the average player... I've always said that. You balance it around the players good enough to exploit the problematic features introduced. Because eventually, even the young less aware players start to figure out how to do it too and then the **** storm really kicks off.

Now try starting your next post w/o a jab at me and add some content somewhere along the line.


Missiles are about to take a huge nerf... God forbid the Devs give just a little back.

Why do you keep exaggerating the nerf so much???

About the only really good thing that is coming from this is the removal of t2 ammo penalties.

^ With comparison to great white shark.

All the rats would just alert each other a tengu warped in, then they would warp out and vacate the area till you left, then come back in.

I don't see you making much isk that way, and might feel wimpy still.

Suddenly every wormhole corp has just went back to the drawing board to find out new ways of making more money than God again.

To be clear, after these changes settle a bit we very well may revisit missiles depending on how they turn out. The days of balance and forget are over.

Respectfully, this comment borders on the absurd. Get back to us when the Caldari no longer have entire classes of ships that are laughably broken. Until then you haven't balanced anything.

And when you trained for it, you didn't do it because it was OP, you just happened to be Caldari. You actually considered to train for the Legion, because all T3 are just as good for everything, but ended up with the Tengu by accident. Correct?

To be clear, after these changes settle a bit we very well may revisit missiles depending on how they turn out. The days of balance and forget are over.

Hmmm.

Cut Missile Distance like this.

* Standard 20km
* Heavy 40km
* Cruise 80km

Then remove Precision Missiles all together. Change them to Javelin Missiles with lower Dmg at the Following Ranges.

* Standard 30km
* Heavy 60km
* Cruise 120km

Now add in ships that get a 10% Velocity Bonus and it looks like this.

T1 / Faction

* Standard 30km
* Heavy 60km
* Cruise 120km

T2 Javelin

* Standard 45km
* Heavy 90km
* Cruise 180km

Add in a 10% Velocity Bonus on T2 Tracking Mods and whatever works for tracking scripts and you are left with a reasonably good set of weapons once Cruise Missile Ships are balanced. Cut Heavy Dmg by about 5-7.5%. The Tengu gets it's 7.5% RoF and 5% Kin Dmg bonus turned into a 10% Rof Bonus which cuts the Kin part so PvE'ers are mostly happy. Change the Drakes Kin Dmg to RoF then decide if the Drake keeps its Tank Bonus and has half its range cut or gets Velocity Bonus and keeps a good amount of range.

Then any other Medium LR weapons like Med Beams, Med Rails that fall short of this, handle the problem with both their ship stats (Tier Removal Base Stat Changes / Bonus Changes) and the Weapons Fitting / Stats themselves. At that point the Dmg would be mostly balanced and more Medium LR Weapons and the ships that use them making them better in the mid range role with good Dmg (35-60KM) while having an option to strike further (70-100ish KM) for less Dmg.

I simply deny the fact there is a reason to nerf something, just because its good (or maybe even better than other things) as long as its neither the best nor the only strong/OP thing in this game. As long as Winmatar dominate everything there is no need to nerf Caldaris strong ships and weapons. Simple as that.

To be blunt I still see my Tengu that I spent for ever to train for turning to a wimpy shadow of its former glory. The good old days of target locking and killing rats at over 100km will be a fond memory of the past. Would you tell a great white shark to take out its teeth because it kills to much? No you would not. You would sit back and watch a killing machine at work.

So what you're saying is that you think the Vargur/Mach are overpowered at L4 missions, but we shouldn't nerf them because of ECM?

I see.

Actually I don't. :picard:

I simply deny the fact there is a reason to nerf something, just because its good (or maybe even better than other things) as long as its neither the best nor the only strong/OP thing in this game. As long as Winmatar dominate everything there is no need to nerf Caldaris strong ships and weapons. Simple as that.

- heavy missiles: changes look very reasonable, especially coupled with improvement to javelins and furies - it not actually gives pilot a choice - furies as short ranged ammo rather then universal thing to use

so youre idea is to . . . leave the Tengu totally overpowered?

You realize that after the change, youll be able to put one (1) range rig in and achieve > 100 km range plus your missiles will now be moving faster meaning less wasted ammo volleys; look what you have to do to the loki, proteus or legion to get them to go 100 km . . . and they do less damage there too . . .

yes, the tengu is getting a nerf because thats exactly what they needed.