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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:40:00 -
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Dev blog coming soon...
In summary we have gone through and upgraded all NPC in the game to the new level one AI making them smarter. It is important to note that their damage output and EWAR capabilities have not changes. The biggest difference will be that they target switch.
If you can it would be greatly appreciated if you played through a couple missions, especially with multiple people/accounts and gave us some feedback.
We are aware that currently the navy in high sec is shooting everyone, and giving them GCC, and then letting CONCORD pile on. We have a fix internally for this already. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
214
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:12:00 -
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This is an epic step towards a better player experience... In the future we can all hope for fewer, stronger NPC's with improved bounties to challenge players with improved ships available
(However I know thats a big change to all missions, complexes and similar and I assume the belt rat mechanics have to be edited too for that to come through).
Question: What about aggro mechanics? Will mission groups still watch their comrades getting slaughtered without interfering?
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Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:15:00 -
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How will NPC aggro toward drones be managed ? Will they hate drones as much as sleepers do, or will it still be possible to use drone boats for missionning ? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
463
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:21:00 -
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Hosedna wrote:How will NPC aggro toward drones be managed ? Will they hate drones as much as sleepers do, or will it still be possible to use drone boats for missionning ? Give this just a bit longer and the dev blog will answer it. I really didn't want to post this until after the dev blog, but I wanted a link here in the dev blog. Stupid chicken or egg. :/ Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:23:00 -
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Ok, I'll wait for the Dev blog then :) |
Latjla
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:24:00 -
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Complex NPCs included? Everyone needs to be able to tank citadel torps in Mazes and Blood Naval Shipyards? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
996
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:25:00 -
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Ill have to wait for you to fix high sec before i test. But: I do fly in W-space which has the target switching AI. As a drone user, its a big problem. A Sleeper site does not have very many NPCs and they are quite valuable, so catching drone aggro can be accepted.
But in a mission? This will be a severe nerf to all drone specialists. Gun users do not have to worry about their guns catching aggro and getting destroyed unless they spend 30 seconds recalling them every 2 minutes. Maybe consider:
Right now the target switching AI will always switch targets once every 2 minutes irrelevant of the treat of targets. If there is a Tengu and one Warrior I on the field, it will switch to the Warrior as its the only other available target. Maybe that should be changed: Have the treat assessment of which target to go after include the current target. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
464
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:42:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Ill have to wait for you to fix high sec before i test. But: I do fly in W-space which has the target switching AI. As a drone user, its a big problem. A Sleeper site does not have very many NPCs and they are quite valuable, so catching drone aggro can be accepted.
But in a mission? This will be a severe nerf to all drone specialists. Gun users do not have to worry about their guns catching aggro and getting destroyed unless they spend 30 seconds recalling them every 2 minutes. Maybe consider:
Right now the target switching AI will always switch targets once every 2 minutes irrelevant of the treat of targets. If there is a Tengu and one Warrior I on the field, it will switch to the Warrior as its the only other available target. Maybe that should be changed: Have the treat assessment of which target to go after include the current target.
Edit: I go caught by the "chicken or egg" issue too. Ill wait to see the blog, and better yet, test myself.
Not a problem, sorry for not saying much aside from "wait for the dev blog." :( Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
235
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:42:00 -
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dev blog how soon??
have i got time to put the kettle on? - Nulla Curas |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
115
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:44:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Hosedna wrote:How will NPC aggro toward drones be managed ? Will they hate drones as much as sleepers do, or will it still be possible to use drone boats for missionning ? Give this just a bit longer and the dev blog will answer it. I really didn't want to post this until after the dev blog, but I wanted a link here in the dev blog. Stupid chicken or egg. :/ I very much hope that the fix for this will also stop sentry guns in lowsec from shooting at drones belonging to people with GCC, making it possible to use droneboats while under fire from gate guns. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
464
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:44:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:dev blog how soon??
have i got time to put the kettle on?
Like I have submitted it and just waiting for community to press the button. In other words please don't tell them this thread exists. :P Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
235
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:47:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:dev blog how soon??
have i got time to put the kettle on? Like I have submitted it and just waiting for community to press the button. In other words please don't tell them this thread exists. :P
Are we talking they have to go through a meeting, or just press a nice red shiny button saying "Post it"?
This is important as otherwise i need to go find some work to do - Nulla Curas |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
466
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:48:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:dev blog how soon??
have i got time to put the kettle on? Like I have submitted it and just waiting for community to press the button. In other words please don't tell them this thread exists. :P Are we talking they have to go through a meeting, or just press a nice red shiny button saying "Post it"? This is important as otherwise i need to go find some work to do
I shall poke them. :P But you may be best to find some work to do. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
235
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:50:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:dev blog how soon??
have i got time to put the kettle on? Like I have submitted it and just waiting for community to press the button. In other words please don't tell them this thread exists. :P Are we talking they have to go through a meeting, or just press a nice red shiny button saying "Post it"? This is important as otherwise i need to go find some work to do I shall poke them. :P But you may be best to find some work to do.
Pff fine, but only because you said so, my boss looking at me funny has nothing to do with it
Thanks tho - Nulla Curas |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
468
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:11:00 -
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Blog is up: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73413 Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
12
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:14:00 -
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Looks promising, now we will have to be more careful during missions, not bad :) Still a long way to go to have really interresting PVE though :p
The best point is the choice of the target based on hull size, when you bring a noob with you for L4, he'll have more fun battling the frigs ! |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
868
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:23:00 -
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Just wanted to tell you that this is great.
I don't care how many tears come from it. It's awesome. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Rutger Janssen
Xanadu
6
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:52:00 -
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Quote:and got some of our QA and Bug Hunters to hammer through missions So that's why bug reports are seemingly not processed anymore?
I guess the change is gonna make things more "interesting" for grouped players; non-drone solo boats won't notice a change I imagine?
This change is gonna suck for (nullsec) miners, can't have 1 player tank(in a hulk) the belts rats anymore and have everyone else fly hulks and haulers.
DG fleet staging point is gonna be a lot harder I imagine with the torpedo, all participating ships need to be able to take a hit from it? |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
214
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:57:00 -
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Some missions DO still have Elite web/point frigates though, right? Wonder how difficult they will be to battle hehe |
Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:02:00 -
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is the long term goal having less redboxes but more powerfull ships like incursions and sleepers ?
I would really like that, it's a pain killing all these little things who loot nothing and have no chance killing us, and I don't even talk about thinking of salvaging these...
When you kill a sleeper frigate you don't have the impression of losing your time, cause this thing hurt, have lots of scamble, neut or web so it's real dangerous, but it does also loot not bad. a nullsec frigate however... it may scramble and need to be killed quickly in this case, but you two shot it, and it loot nothing. so you only have the impression of losing your time. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:07:00 -
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Rutger Janssen wrote:Quote:and got some of our QA and Bug Hunters to hammer through missions So that's why bug reports are seemingly not processed anymore? I guess the change is gonna make things more "interesting" for grouped players; non-drone solo boats won't notice a change I imagine? This change is gonna suck for (nullsec) miners, can't have 1 player tank(in a hulk) the belts rats anymore and have everyone else fly hulks and haulers. DG fleet staging point is gonna be a lot harder I imagine with the torpedo, all participating ships need to be able to take a hit from it?
Null sec miners are indeed going to have to find a new way to deal with the threat of belt rats. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:09:00 -
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You and Fozzie keep your streak of awesome changes for the winter patch. /highfive |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:10:00 -
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Tanaka Aiko wrote:is the long term goal having less redboxes but more powerfull ships like incursions and sleepers ?
I would really like that, it's a pain killing all these little things who loot nothing and have no chance killing us, and I don't even talk about thinking of salvaging these...
When you kill a sleeper frigate you don't have the impression of losing your time, cause this thing hurt, have lots of scamble, neut or web so it's real dangerous, but it does also loot not bad. a nullsec frigate however... it may scramble and need to be killed quickly in this case, but you two shot it, and it loot nothing. so you only have the impression of losing your time.
Our end goal is to have PvE and PvP be similar enough that you bring the same fits to both and that yes, there will be far fewer red boxes and a more enjoyable experience killing them. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:14:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:You and Fozzie keep your streak of awesome changes for the winter patch. /highfive
/highfive back! Winter should be a damn good time! Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Adan Natrier
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:24:00 -
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In principle, I'm all for making pve in eve not be basically awful, and this is a (tiny) step in the right direction that's quite encouraging.
But -
Quote: Q) Will NPC's kill my drones? A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.
I hope you're prepared to find out the primary motivation in flying drone ships for a lot of people is to be doing missions while afk, like they were bots. Are CCP prepared to make improvements to the game over objections from people like this now, or will you cave after 'feedback'? Because I could probably say a few things about barges. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
500
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:33:00 -
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Adan Natrier wrote:In principle, I'm all for making pve in eve not be basically awful, and this is a (tiny) step in the right direction that's quite encouraging. But - Quote: Q) Will NPC's kill my drones? A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.
I hope you're prepared to find out the primary motivation in flying drone ships for a lot of people is to be doing missions while afk, like they were bots. Are CCP prepared to make improvements to the game over objections from people like this now, or will you cave after 'feedback'? Because I could probably say a few things about barges.
You will notice a while ago we posted that sitting AFK in a PLEX 24/7 is considered an exploit. So I think that should answer that. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
500
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:35:00 -
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Taking a break from answering questions to participate in this event on Duality: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155467 I highly recommend you all come join us! I will be back after that to answer more questions. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
868
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:02:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:
Null sec miners are indeed going to have to find a new way to deal with the threat of belt rats.
You mean... like... Kill them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlHxAzLXA
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
seth Hendar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:27:00 -
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yea, i don't understand the issue here, just got a 2nd account / corpmate to kill them, end of story.
and if they pop too often for you to handle, then go back to low or high.
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Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
13
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:28:00 -
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Awesome Job a much needed change. |
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