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Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.11.12 07:06:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:really dumb question: Does the harvested gas go in the ore hold?
Yes. They stated it goes directly to the Ore hold. They have not, however, stated weather they will be changing the other mining ships to do the same. |
Luscius Uta
Unleashed' Fury Forsaken Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:20:00 -
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Since we're talking about an ORE frigate here, it would make more sense if related skillbook was called "ORE frigate" instead of "mining frigate" - especially since that would leave room for introduction of another ORE frigate in the future, which doesn't necessarily need to have mining bonuses (I would like to see a hauling frigate one day, since I think that cargo bonused racial frigates should go the way of Dodo, much like racial mining frigates). Also, it would make sense if ORE frigate lvl 3 or 4 was a requirement for ORE Industrial (which is really just a way to give skill to everyone who can already fly a Noctis). |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
195
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:30:00 -
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ORE is a company. Mining is a skill. I would guess they could change it to "Industrial frigate"? Petty, but hey. ;P
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Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:51:00 -
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As of today's build on Buckingham:
ORE Frigate Name: Venture
Traits Mining Frigate skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to mining output 5% reduction to gas cloud harvesting duration per level.
Role Bonus: 100% bonus to mining yield and gas cloud harvesting +2 warp core strength
Development Recognizing the dire need for a ship capable of fast operation in unsafe territories, ORE created the Venture. It was conceived as a vessel primed and ready for any capsuleer, no matter how new to the dangers of New Eden they might be, who wishes to engage in the respectable trade of mining.
The Venture has amazing abilities to quickly drill through to the ores and gases it's after, harvesting them at the speed necessary for mining in hostile space, and getting out relatively unscathed. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
473
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Posted - 2012.11.13 23:28:00 -
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Interesting... Since this in an entry level ship and all, what ship would a new pilot progress to after the Venture? Sticking with the theme of mining in hostile space and getting out quick They see me trolling, they hating... |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
46
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:42:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Interesting... Since this in an entry level ship and all, what ship would a new pilot progress to after the Venture? Sticking with the theme of mining in hostile space and getting out quick
the next ship for survivability would be procure |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
473
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Posted - 2012.11.14 11:37:00 -
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And then you would fit it with 2 warp core stabs and agility rigs to make it a bit more like the ORE frig? They see me trolling, they hating... |
Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:07:00 -
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What CCP needs to understand is that this ship as it is currently thought through is a let down for those of us that heard "gas cloud bonused harvester" What we expected was something better than out current 5 tech II gas harvestors on our cane with 3K of hold. If you have ever sat in a WH taking down a cloud of C540 you will understand why we want something that does more than 100m3 of gas in a cycle.
CCP you missed the boat...literally, since this one is not any better then at least give me a gas cloud strip miner for my mining barges.. give me something that acutally is bonused to improve the speed of harvesting beyond a combat ship pressed into the role of gas miner. It is truely sad that combat ships are the best and fastest gas harvestors around. They are even better when you also realize you can put a mining link on them than this little frigate, which I was looking forward to.
Ore hold.... ore hold should allow gas in all ships, and gas should be able to be compressed in my rorq. Ok, so C540 is really the top of the concern there, but it would be nice.
From a WH industrialist. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:43:00 -
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Mal Nina wrote:What CCP needs to understand is that this ship as it is currently thought through is a let down for those of us that heard "gas cloud bonused harvester" What we expected was something better than out current 5 tech II gas harvestors on our cane with 3K of hold. If you have ever sat in a WH taking down a cloud of C540 you will understand why we want something that does more than 100m3 of gas in a cycle.
CCP you missed the boat...literally, since this one is not any better then at least give me a gas cloud strip miner for my mining barges.. give me something that acutally is bonused to improve the speed of harvesting beyond a combat ship pressed into the role of gas miner. It is truely sad that combat ships are the best and fastest gas harvestors around. They are even better when you also realize you can put a mining link on them than this little frigate, which I was looking forward to.
Ore hold.... ore hold should allow gas in all ships, and gas should be able to be compressed in my rorq. Ok, so C540 is really the top of the concern there, but it would be nice.
From a WH industrialist. Alright, let's cool the jets for a moment. I live in a WH and have done plenty of the C540 harvesting.
From earlier in this thread:
Post # 45:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl. I will check on Buckingham later today to verify that you can put gas into the Ore holds of the other ships.
Post # 266:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey folks, just quickly passing by to tell you the Gas Cloud Harvesting amount bonus on this ship has been swapped for a Gas Cloud Harvesting duration reduction to account for your comments on the skill progression that didn't scale well. It also makes the ship a bit more viable with fully trained skills, as it increases its output from 5 theoretical gas harvesters to 5.33. Once you have Mining Frigate 5, this ship is much more viable than a Ferox or Hurricane -- and has a 5,000 m3 Ore/Gas hold to boot!
Once I finish training Mining Frig 5 (5 more days), I will post some base 'test' results comparing a BC with a Mining Frig while doing Gas Cloud harvesting. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Photrus Pyrelus
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 17:43:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Also, it is always delicious to have a few of these blueprints fall to gate camps when trying to smuggle them back to trade hubs .
Psh, fly out those BPOs in the ship itself, if all the "BUT WE CAN'T GANK IT!" people are accurate, it should be perfectly safe. =P |
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Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
164
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Posted - 2012.11.15 00:10:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl. Using C540 Fulleride Gas, I have confirmed that you can move gas To & From Ore holds in the following ships:
- Rorqual
- Orca
- All Exhumers
- All Mining Barges
- Mining Frigate
Enjoy HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
39
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:01:00 -
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As I mentioned in another thread, In honor of Chribba who has selflessly helped many a player through his services both in and out of game as well as his die hard addiction to Veldspar, the description for the Venture should include a mention of Otherworld Industries (ie. helped develop it).
Also give us a T2 version that specializes in gas harvesting (maybe keep gas bonus but add an extra turret hardpoint) |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
194
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Posted - 2012.11.15 05:39:00 -
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As a nullsec based drug manufacturer consider me not impressed, one pulse from a cloud would pop it like a zit.
WTB T2 version that can actually tank the clouds. |
Pearl Canopus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 07:32:00 -
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I still support the "Tech2 Mining Frigate" idea.
Nerf Tech1 to a real beginner level and bump a Tech2 as needed from the 0-Sec and WL-guys. Other specialized or more modular ships may become available in further tech treee as mentioned elsewhere in the forum. |
ZaBob
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
272
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Posted - 2012.11.16 10:02:00 -
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I am mightily amused by all these lazy-boned PvPers who are upset by the +2 warp strength bonus.
Really, now. You want your kills nice and easy with no time or effort expended -- while the miner has to pay close attention to his local and D-Scan for extended periods of time, or risk getting popped by even the lamest, ill-equipped, laziest PvPer who happens by.
Really, what a bunch of lazy, ADHD-afflicted, self-entitled WHINERS!
I will make a prediction: CCP releases it with +2 warp strength -- and the number of mining ships killed goes UP!
You'll be killing the slow and foolish and over-confident. Which is just as it should be.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
438
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Posted - 2012.11.17 14:34:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:As a nullsec based drug manufacturer consider me not impressed, one pulse from a cloud would pop it like a zit.
WTB T2 version that can actually tank the clouds.
Dev already addressed this a bunch of pages back. It's a new pilots ship.
I highly doubt they have a T2 version in the works. From the charts the frig is a prereq for mining barges, so I expect that will be the progression. I would expect them to add gas bonuses to something like the skiff instead. |
Rendiff
Flashpoint Industries Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2012.11.18 15:57:00 -
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So what should that third high-slot be used for? |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
166
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:24:00 -
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I have been able to fit a cloak. Haven't tried a probe launcher or a tractor beam. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
195
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:19:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:As a nullsec based drug manufacturer consider me not impressed, one pulse from a cloud would pop it like a zit.
WTB T2 version that can actually tank the clouds. Good. Wouldn't want the newbie mining frigate being FOTM across all space. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.11.22 03:50:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:I have been able to fit a cloak. Haven't tried a probe launcher or a tractor beam.
Update.
I have fit the following in the High Utility slot (some of these would be for baiting or lol's) : - Core Probe Launcher II - Expanded Core Probe Lnchr doesn't fit CPU-wise - Small Tractor Beam II - Small Smartbomb II - Small Nosferatu II - Small Energy Neut II - Drone Link Augmentor I
There are plenty of other things to put in that utility slot, be creative! HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
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Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:50:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:From earlier in this thread: Post # 266: CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey folks, just quickly passing by to tell you the Gas Cloud Harvesting amount bonus on this ship has been swapped for a Gas Cloud Harvesting duration reduction to account for your comments on the skill progression that didn't scale well. It also makes the ship a bit more viable with fully trained skills, as it increases its output from 5 theoretical gas harvesters to 5.33. Once you have Mining Frigate 5, this ship is much more viable than a Ferox or Hurricane -- and has a 5,000 m3 Ore/Gas hold to boot! Once I finish training Mining Frig 5 (5 more days), I will post some base 'test' results comparing a BC with a Mining Frig while doing Gas Cloud harvesting.
With no external bonuses (e.g. ganglinks) to work with, your baseline numbers for Gas Cloud Harvestor II's are going to be:
....................m3 / cycle.....# GCHs.....cycle time.....m3 / s Ferox...............205402.50 Venture...........402302.67
HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Catherine Laartii
NullOcular Order Templis Dragonaors
0
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:33:00 -
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Saracha wrote:Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship.
I forsee the utility highslot being used with a prober; solo work finding ladar and grav sites could be particularly useful in that regard, as it leaves the mini-profession exploration frigates to run radar/mag sites. It balances their respective roles quite nicely. |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
3
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Posted - 2012.11.26 17:05:00 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:Saracha wrote:Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship. I forsee the utility highslot being used with a prober; solo work finding ladar and grav sites could be particularly useful in that regard, as it leaves the mini-profession exploration frigates to run radar/mag sites. It balances their respective roles quite nicely.
This actually makes me want this ship now.. |
Rendiff
Flashpoint Industries Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2012.11.27 04:37:00 -
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Did some playing around and a Core Probe Launcher I easily fits in that third high slot. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
171
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:34:00 -
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Rendiff wrote:Did some playing around and a Core Probe Launcher I easily fits in that third high slot. Depending on what you want to fit ...... and how good your fitting skills are (from a few posts above): (tech I items obviously fit)
Infinite Force wrote:..... I have fit the following in the High Utility slot (some of these would be for baiting or lol's) : - Core Probe Launcher II - Expanded Core Probe Lnchr doesn't fit CPU-wise - Small Tractor Beam II - Small Smartbomb II - Small Nosferatu II - Small Energy Neut II - Drone Link Augmentor I
There are plenty of other things to put in that utility slot, be creative!
HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Lojak 2501
Chrome Legion Silent Infinity
12
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:04:00 -
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i like that way it looks and cant wait to add it to my personal fleet but....
is there plans for a T2 variant? |
Pearl Canopus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:38:00 -
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Lojak 2501 wrote:is there plans for a T2 variant? As far as I know not at the moment. But there were several suggestions above.
I think, the frigate will run the first year as it is and might be rebalanced later. To add a Tech2 (if it's not designed yet) within the next few days might be to hard. :) So I keep patient for that and train the "ORE Frigate" skill as much as it makes sense. |
Ronan Connor
4
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:20:00 -
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I like the frigate because it will have +2 warp core strength and all its roles. Also the cargo is great. People are always complaining that there are to less people in low sec. This ship will be ideal to tip toe into low sec and start a career in this area. To me this is a perfect "buff" of low sec without a nerf of high sec. Think of all the people who will try to get better ore and sell it locally cause they dont have a jump freighter?
True its strength is great, but the people will adapt. Hell even I ran into a smartbomb gate camp once. The ship will get run over by 2-4 ships and get smartbombed.
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Angang Ostus
Shooting Red Crosses
0
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Posted - 2012.11.29 13:35:00 -
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I don't see anyone talking about how it will hold up against rats. So it can access belts in low sec without much trouble. What does it do with 2 Hob IIs (much less T1) against 2 or more belt rats? Maybe you'd have to have a destroyer docked in low sec to clear the spawns first? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
483
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Posted - 2012.11.29 17:28:00 -
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It's a non issue as it's pointless mining ore in low sec. They see me trolling, they hating... |
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