How long are noobie miners gonna stay in game when they are permajammed by guristas in thier sensor strngth 4 frigs (at least in cal space). That is almost half that of the bantam so nearly twice as much jamming.

The more I look at this thing and read up on everyone elses comments the more I think that the ship would serve alot better as a destroyer hull instead of a frigate.

Blasphemy! It is only proper that any ORE destroyer be a salvaging boat. ;-)

Has the gas yield per lvl been changed to cycle time yet? Cos it really should be.

They will skill drones II and scout drone operation I (total train time <2 hours) and deploy those 2 drones to kill the rats. you can do it with the bantam too, if you bother to kill that stupid jammer rat with you drone.
And don't say "drones for caldari are useless" every ship bigger than a frigate use drones.

It seems almost like this is based on the idea that by making mining frigates harder to catch and kill, it will encourage 0.0 mining.

Which I guess might possibly be true if 0.0 mining wasn't so worthless and boring, though it still misses the fundamental point - the biggest benefit to encouraging 0.0 industry is that it restores the first link in the food chain, that of vulnerable, tempting targets for solo-ers and small gang-ers to catch and kill, and that auto-stabbed frigate hulls don't particularly fit in the 'vulnerable targets' description.

I'd figure the sole purpose of the +2 warp strength is to be able to enter lowsec and make travelling gate to gate a bit safer.

Basically to make sure the "newbie" doesn't make his first entry (probably for a tutorial mission) into lowsec, gets cracked tackled 'n popped right on the first gate and decides lowsec isn't worth it.

Isn't that the same reason it's on the Deep Space Transports? They've got HP to take the blows while they align, and the +2 to make them viable ships to run around lowsec. And in some remote past what the Skiff was partly meant for?

Obviously it has no use in null as you've got bubbleboys there. But for lowsec I see its uses for industrialists. Lowsec duders just adapt fitting more scrams and SeBo's.

So, if person will decide to use this frigate with two gas harvesters, then whats the point training gas harvesting skill to level 5? Large ore hold is nice, but still not enough, you will have to eject your gas and haul with industrial ship or similar ways. Same gas harvesting efficiency as battlecruiser with 5 gas harvesters. Good job at creating another "echelon" (good for nothing). I will stick to battlecruiser, have decent tank, drone bay and be able to bait with my gas harvesting ship :)

Think about it, why should i train another new skill for it, if i can get same efficiency with any other ship already?

It occurs to me that the gas mining bonus shows a need to adjust what the gas mining skill does.

I don't have any specific suggestion, but unless a barge-class gas miner is in planning there will be no reason for anyone to train gas mining past level 2.

So these will be replacing both the mining frigates and cruisers? I assume that means new miners will progress straight from this ORE frigate onto mining barges?

Well here's to hoping that they announce an ORE cruiser that is just a beefed up version of the frigate (e.g. able to tank all gas sites) and then after that, ORE should release a T3 industrial cruiser

Yes. That seems to be the master plan since no ORE cruiser has been announced.

Ore battlecruiser? I think thats the Orca you are thinking about.
And battleship not so much but you have the Ore capital Rorqual,
so it's unlikely for you to REALLY need anything else...
It would likely just obsolete too much in a go

What you WANT ofcourse is another thing

TLDR: We don't have enough jobs atm to necessitate a BC/BS/T3 hull.

And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl.

Not true. There are plenty of industrial roles to fill:

1. A high level gas mining ship
2. Hacking and analysing ship
3. A mining command ship, that isn't the size of an orca, with bonuses to gang links
4. A mining ship that can warp cloaked

The list goes on...

1) Agreed.
2) We are getting exploration frigates and possibly T2 versions of them in the future
3) Use a command ship
4) God no. Not required.

Shouldn't the gas harvesting yield bonus be a time bonus?


edit for clarity:

gas is 10 m3

yield per cycle is 10 m3 (doubled)

adding 25% will result in no extra gas since in rounds down.

Bonus should be a reduction on cycle time (like ice miners)

It would be fine if it was 20m3 plus 25% which would give you 25m3 per cycle. But gas is like ice in that one unit is 10m3. So like ice a 25% bonus would be pointless as it would give you 2.5 units at level 5 which would round down to 2 units completely nullifying the bonus.

Also if this is meant to be the dedicated gas miner to replace using a Battle Cruiser, Should not the skill also be changed? A ship designed to fill the hole of a missing gas mining industrial ship should match up with the skill needed to use gas harvesters. This ship would have no benefit to training the gas mining skill past 2 as it can only use two gas harvesters. While the skill grants the use of an additional gas harvester per level to a maximum of 5.