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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:09:00 -
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Hello folks,
This topic is about the ORE frigate coming out this winter. While its concept art can be seen in the Ship Balancing Summer Update blog and some speculation has already started, time has come to talk about it in details.
Designed as an entry mining ship, it will replace the old 4 mining frigates in the Industry Career Path (the Tormentor, Bantam, Navitas and Burst). Compared to them, it has a much improved mining output, capacitor reliance and mobility, while having a decent 5000m3 ore hold. Its purpose is to be a fast hull capable of mining in hostile space (even if the current value of high-sec ores defeats this quite a bit, but that's another problem). It also serves as a gas harvester, a profession that was lacking love until now. With its +2 warp core strength bonus, it should stand a fair chance of doing its job in low-security space without being instantly tackled and killed.
It also comes with a brand new skill, mining frigate, rank 2. Further down the drain we will change mining barge skill requirements to need mining frigate at 4, but not for winter - we'll most likely do that at the same time as the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill changes to minimize training issues and complications. Again, since its the entry ship for mining, expect the market price to be low.
Mining frigate skill bonuses: +5% to mining yield per level +5% to gas harvesting yield per level Role bonuses: +100% to mining yield +100% to gas harvesting yield + 2 warp core stabilizer bonus Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 2 turrets Fittings: 45 PWG, 240 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5 Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric Signature radius: 40 Cargo capacity: 50 Ore hold: 5000
Constructive comments are welcome |
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Typhu5
Twinstar Universal Services Ewoks
3
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:21:00 -
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The Gas Harvesting Bonus is interesting. But waht is with the damage emitted from the Gas Clouds? Can a Frig survive that?
Edit: First ftw. |
Saracha
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:23:00 -
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Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2977
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:25:00 -
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Space drugs makers, rejoice!!! Our bonused ship has arrived. This makes me smile. No more shaming a Hurricane by forcing it into gas-huffing duty!!
My Methstar will be busy in the coming months, for sure. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Karmu Ivanostrov
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
3
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:26:00 -
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Is the 25% bonus at skill V enough to overcome having only 3 turrets??
EDIT: Nevermind, hadnt noticed the role bonuses |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2977
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:27:00 -
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Saracha wrote:Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship.
To be fair, the bonuses do appear to turn 2 harvesters into 5. And think of the delicious ORE hold......How much could you hold in a BC (which was my mining ship of choice) ?? Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Karmu Ivanostrov
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
3
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:29:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Saracha wrote:Just add one more turret, come one, do it. Then we can have a dedicated gas mining ship. To be fair, the bonuses do appear to turn 2 harvesters into 5. And think of the delicious ORE hold......How much could you hold in a BC (which was my mining ship of choice) ??
5 Harvesters, +2 Warp Str, and a nice ore hold (which I assume will handle gas).... Plus small and nimble.... Gotta love that new frigate |
Derek Itinen
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:32:00 -
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With max skills, its is equivalent to have 5 un-bonused gas miners. I guess the ore hold makes it worth it. |
muhadin
Origin. Black Legion.
119
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:34:00 -
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Gets owned by gas cloud damage, GFGF "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love" |
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Test Alliance Please Ignore
182
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:34:00 -
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Can we get a little more cargo space? 50m3 of liquid ozone isnt enough for a cyno. I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2260
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:40:00 -
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A couple of questions, Ytterbium: - Does the 2 turrets become the equivalent of 5? - Have you play tested with it and determined that it can actually survive gas cloud harvesting?
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Rayge PVV
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:40:00 -
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very glad to see gas harvester bonuses, will definitely get, but the other posters do bring up good points:
1. gas cloud damage? 2. the bonuses make it barely competitive with only 2 turrets GÇÄ"Don't give yourselves to the unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines, you are not cattle, you are men!" -Charlie Chaplin |
muhadin
Origin. Black Legion.
119
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:40:00 -
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Griznatch wrote:Can we get a little more cargo space? 50m3 of liquid ozone isnt enough for a cyno.
Edit: I'm not even joking.
Thatstheidea.jpg "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love" |
HazeInADaze
L'Avant Garde Happy Endings
3
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:40:00 -
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Are they old hulls being repurposed or mothballed? I always like the navitas hull but had no use for it. |
Tano 'Fulsamee
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:40:00 -
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What are the skill requirements to get into it? Can you fly or afford one first day of eve like the previous mining frigates, or are miners first having to use non-dedicated ships to mine first/PvE to get income. I guess another question that comes from that is what ship (if not this one) is now given out during the mining tutorials. |
Cartheron Crust
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:42:00 -
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Plenty bads in this thread crying. I have never taken damage from harvesting gas that you make boosters from. |
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Test Alliance Please Ignore
182
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:43:00 -
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muhadin wrote:Griznatch wrote:Can we get a little more cargo space? 50m3 of liquid ozone isnt enough for a cyno.
Edit: I'm not even joking. Thatstheidea.jpg
Deep down inside I already knew :( I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1349
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:43:00 -
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Cool stuff.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Sylvilagus Palustris
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:44:00 -
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Shouldn't the gas harvesting yield bonus be a time bonus? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2977
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:45:00 -
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muhadin wrote:Gets owned by gas cloud damage, GFGF
Depends on where you are harvesting. None of the lowsec or WH clouds I've ever mined have ever done damage. They don't explode. This is unique to a specific handful of nullsec clouds.
Frankly, I'd prefer all booster-gas mining and drug production be moved into lowsec anyways, but thats a debate for another thread... Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
65
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:46:00 -
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This will be nice for those gas clouds at signatures in lowsec :D |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2977
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:48:00 -
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HazeInADaze wrote:Are they old hulls being repurposed or mothballed? I always like the navitas hull but had no use for it.
Navitas, Burst, Bantam, and Inquisitor are now logistics frigates. Tormentor ended up as a combat frigate. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Saracha
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:53:00 -
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I mean yes this ship does almost have the yield of a battlecruiser or other ship with 5 unbonused turrets, but I really feel that a specialized mining ships with bonuses to gas mining should be a little better than below average. |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:53:00 -
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Does the bonuses stack?
It appears that it gives 100% + 25% = less than 5 gas harvasters !!!
unless the formula goes with +100% to the already +25% value, then it is indeed equal to 5 harvasters Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Anshu Zephyran
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
11
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:55:00 -
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Will the tutorials be changed to issue these and their BPCs instead of the old mining frigates and their BPCs? |
Saracha
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:56:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Does the bonuses stack?
It appears that it gives 100% + 25% = less than 5 gas harvasters !!!
unless the formula goes with +100% to the already +25% value, then it is indeed equal to 5 harvasters
Yeah could a dev please clarify if these bonuses will stack? |
NearNihil
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:00:00 -
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This is an entry-level mining ship, by the looks of it. I'd expect a T2 version of it to be focused on gas mining rather than a (supposedly) cheap T1 frigate, so don't get your knickers in a twist over a cheap, fragile-as-a-pod t1 frigate that doesn't quite mine as well as the others. |
Irate Fox
Aideron Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:01:00 -
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Given the low output of mining lasers I would like at least four turrets.
It should also have 1 more drone slot for self-defense so I'm not running away from low-sec frigate rats. (Anti-ratting defenses should be decent; players I should still run screaming from). One more low-slot would be very handy as well. I haven't run the numbers but I feel like I've been let down by this build :( |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
1173
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:01:00 -
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- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
- As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1124
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:05:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:*snip* Mining frigate skill bonuses:+5% to mining yield per level +5% to gas harvesting yield per level Role bonuses:+100% to mining yield +100% to gas harvesting yield + 2 warp core stabilizer bonus Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 2 turrets Fittings: 45 PWG, 240 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5 Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric Signature radius: 40 Cargo capacity: 50 Ore hold: 5000 Constructive comments are welcome
Hay CCP Ytterbium, I would like to chime in w/ a suggestion.
Everything looks really good as a mining frigate (I guess) but you know, this wouldn't be a bad little ninja salvager ship if you would give it a little bit of a bonus to salvaging (5%?) and at least 250m3 of cargo space. Doable?
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