we estimate the +2 warp stabilizer bonus to be fine for now - the ship almost has no defense on its own, and desperately needs it to compete in the areas it's supposed to operate.

I hate to be rude, but literally what are you even talking about? You're talking about a frigate. Something that takes a couple of seconds to align and warp. It also has a utility high for a cloak, meaning once its off-grid it can literally vanish without sacrificing a mining laser at all to do it. It has no defenses because it's a bloody industrial ship. It's defensive ability is its ability to quickly run away.

My shuttle / ibis / Mammoth / Orca have no defenses either, are you gonna give them all built-in WCS as well? Explain to me why it's necessary to make an already-escapable ship literally invulnerable to 95% of solo PvPers.

The +2 warp strength really isn't that good. also you cannot stop a truly determined opponent. if you wanna catch noobs in mining frigs fit more points, its not like they can shoot back.

Ok. In that case, please add a mid slot to every ship in the game so I can fit "enough" points to tackle a mining ship without completely gimping my ship for every other purpose.

Also, I would love for you to explain to me how to use my determination to keep people from warping out of their mining site when a hostile appears in local. Since even huge, clumsy ships like carriers can be off the field before a tackler can arrive on their location, I'd really LOVE to know how to stop even fast-aligning ships using my own willpower. Do elaborate!

Pirates will whine... how should they kill noobs in the future if they always simply warp away once scrammed?


I think this is an interesting change. It would be nice if by this low-sec would be much more populated by miners etc. The good thing is that it is self-balancing. If we really should end up in the situation that everyone and his dog are flying the ORE mining frigate in low-sec then pirates will adapt and simply fit three points on their ships to catch them. But they will only do this if there really will be enough of them to kill. So I think this is a very promising change!

Having harvested gaz in nullsec, I dont see how this frigate is relevant for it in any way.
2 gas harvesters running at 250% gives you the same yield as any gaz-huffing ferox.
5000 bay is nice, but only do for 500 units, while sites contains 1000, 3000 or 9000. A ferox reshipping into an industrial ship will probably save time overall.
Finally, all gas clouds in nullsec features either rats (at least 3 BS for the smallest ones I encountered, up to about 20 ships with siege towers and web), or gas cloud explosions which cannot be avoided for the harvester and amounts between 1000 and 2000 damages each cycle.

This frigate offers the same yield as any other ship, an barely relevant cargo, and is unable to do anything anyway.

That cargo bay will be wonderful for someone with low skills.

I think you mis-read the stats. The cargohold is only 50m3.

It seems almost like this is based on the idea that by making mining frigates harder to catch and kill, it will encourage 0.0 mining.

Which I guess might possibly be true if 0.0 mining wasn't so worthless and boring, though it still misses the fundamental point - the biggest benefit to encouraging 0.0 industry is that it restores the first link in the food chain, that of vulnerable, tempting targets for solo-ers and small gang-ers to catch and kill, and that auto-stabbed frigate hulls don't particularly fit in the 'vulnerable targets' description.

To be honest i think the entire +2 warp strength thing is for getting away from belt rats.

..... Please do not kill the game. (As CCP said themselves somewhere, do not make things easy, make things apprehensible....
P.S.: Sorry for the long post and if it is confusing sometimes. I am no native speaker.

Because the only way to prevent newbies from being tackled by rats is to give their ship a buff that also nullifies the effect of player-operated modules?

They could, IDK, make rat scrams a separate effect, or remove tackling rats from belts instead of making this ship un-tacklable by sensibly-fit player ships?

Constructive comments are welcome

Hey folks,
Regarding the gas yield performance itself, keep in mind this remains an entry level ship, not supposed to outclass the competition in every single area. This ship is highly mobile, has a good storage capacity, it should not be the best at everything regarding gas or we would be falling back into the old Hulk case all over again

So, if person will decide to use this frigate with two gas harvesters, then whats the point training gas harvesting skill to level 5? Large ore hold is nice, but still not enough, you will have to eject your gas and haul with industrial ship or similar ways. Same gas harvesting efficiency as battlecruiser with 5 gas harvesters. Good job at creating another "echelon" (good for nothing). I will stick to battlecruiser, have decent tank, drone bay and be able to bait with my gas harvesting ship :)

Think about it, why should i train another new skill for it, if i can get same efficiency with any other ship already?