Fit a cloak?

There really needs to be a way for 2 players to engage in a LE without the whole of eve getting involved.

As an example, at Eve Radio we do many tournaments (and I'm sure other entities hold competitions as well) using can flip mechanics to allow players to engage each other in highsec. With these new can flip mechanics, players will now be able to be attacked by anyone nearby.

I would like to see some sort of a challenge system where 2 players can agree to be flagged for an LE against each other without inviting the rest of Eve in on the fight.

Aside from that, I think the changes are brilliant.

So you can steal from corp wallet and hangers with impunity, but take 1 trit from a can and the whole universe is on your ass?

You mean like a.... duel?.... maybe you want some arenas also.... maybe a battleground?..
Please no....

Do flags persist when jumping between systems, or are they system-specific? I know I've had multiple cases under the old system where someone gets PVP-flagged on one side of a gate, gatecrashes, and logoffskies, and disappears from space 1 minute later rather than 15 minutes since they're in a different system.

Also, "The initiator of the action will get a PVP flag. If the recipient is a piloted ship, then the owner of this ship will also get a PVP flag." -- if a player is PVE flagged and logs off, and I scan them down under the new system, does putting a hit on their ship give them a fresh PVP timer, or do they disappear within 15 minutes of NPC aggression regardless of whether a player attacks them after they log off? (e.g. is their ship considered 'piloted' or not?)

This is not just oddly intentional, it is very intentional. If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place

Illegal attacks on ships (not capsules) in low-sec only incur a Suspect flag. No CONCORD response if the attacker subsequently jumps in to high-sec.

Assisting an outlaw in low-sec (outside of a combat situation) will not be penalized

That's a brilliant way to defend your logged out ship

There really needs to be a way for 2 players to engage in a LE without the whole of eve getting involved.

All we need is a way for 2 players to have a 1v1 in highsec without having to agress the entire universe. It wouldn't change the way EVE is, but it will just make life easier for ppl who just want to have a 1v1 with one of their friends for fun or training.

There really needs to be a way for 2 players to engage in a LE without the whole of eve getting involved.

As an example, at Eve Radio we do many tournaments (and I'm sure other entities hold competitions as well) using can flip mechanics to allow players to engage each other in highsec. With these new can flip mechanics, players will now be able to be attacked by anyone nearby.

I would like to see some sort of a challenge system where 2 players can agree to be flagged for an LE against each other without inviting the rest of Eve in on the fight. Tie it to the CSPA charge to prevent abuse if you must, but please don't kill 1v1s.

Aside from that, I think the changes are brilliant.

How will outlaws (i.e. characters with a sec status below -5.0) without criminal flags be treated in highsec - will they continue to be valid targets for all players and also attacked by the faction navies/police but not CONCORD?

Yes, flags will follow you wherever you go. Let's just say that trying to fix the issue you talked about under the old system had some exploit issues preventing us from doing it. With the new system, things are much better in this regard.

By this, I was distinguishing between ships that have been ejected from and left floating in space, and ones that have a pilot in them (regardless of that pilot being logged in or not)
A PVP flag can only be created whilst logged on, but it can be extended whilst logged off (much like the current invisible logoff timer works today)

Yep we do need something like that, a magic gauntlet you can slap people with, WE do need it, na WE MUST HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a brilliant way to defend your logged out ship

Fantastic.


This means that if someone logs off a carrier after getting PVE aggression, I have a 15 minute DPS race timer to scan and kill them before they disappear. This seems to not actually carry out the intent of having PVE be risky if you get scanned down, as there is nothing I can do to add a PVP flag to your ship after you've logged out, and if you can survive 5 min for me to switch to a helios, scan you, plus tank my fleet for ~10 minutes, you're scot-free. Mostly an issue for big ships, not as big a deal for small ships which can be blapped easily within 10 minutes.

I still think there's an exploit here that happened to my fleet a few months ago. An orca jumped through into my lowsec gatecamp, held cloak, and logged off. We pointed him as he was about to ewarp off, but he disappeared from space 1 min later because he had no PVP aggression on him at the time he logged off, even though we had point, web, scram, and gobs of DPS being applied to him. Petition ID 2976870 if you want to read the gory details.

That is worryingly similar to a glove-slapping conversation we had very recently in the office!

There's a mention of kill rights, particularly that you get KR from a Criminal act being done against you, so according to the charts that's pod attacked in lowsec, assistants of a Criminal, or ship or pod attacked in highsec (whether it's destroyed or not).

in before the circlejerk... maybe not

So you're killing off ninja salvaging and can flipping as a professions how is that not dumbing things down?

You mean like a.... duel?.... maybe you want some arenas also.... maybe a battleground?..
Please no....