I'm going to miss debugging the implicit cyclic graph of engagements so much ;(

1 - Ejection should be allowed even with any timer, Im thinking t3 ships, Im thinking saving my pod while everybody is looking at my ship - I used this tecnique before and should be legal, I can't remember any reason not to allow it. Why this was changed?

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One thing that immediately caught my eye in this was that it looks like you will no longer be able to eject from a T3 just before death in-order to avoid skill loss. This seem's oddly intentional; will this fact be taken into consideration when tericide passes over Teir 3 cruisers? Is this the proverbial lambs blood on the door posts to ward off the angel of nerfs when she passes over the land of EVE?


Im trying to look for more loop holes but this largely seems solid.

So does this mean that we can no longer strategically eject to prevent skill loss from our Tech 3 cruisers blowing up?

No. They'll always shoot Criminals on-sight for as long as the Criminal has the flag, but for other acts they will only shoot you for as long as you stay in their vicinity after whatever action gave you a Suspect flag.

"Using assistance modules will pass on all flags to the assistor, possibly preventing them from docking/jumping for the same interval as their assistee"

Does jumping = gate jumping? Or jump = cyno jumping?

Will these flags finally apply to prevent people from pvping and then instantly vanishing through a wormhole? (Currently there is no timer on going through a WH while aggressing)

now that I read it, my comments...

1 - Ejection should be allowed even with any timer, Im thinking t3 ships, Im thinking saving my pod while everybody is looking at my ship - I used this tecnique before and should be legal, I can't remember any reason not to allow it. Why this was changed?

2 - NPC timer, I'm fine with it. I'm not fine with the time it uses. It should have a diferent time than player aggro. NPC aggro is less important than player aggro and the flag timer should reflect this fact. Do you agree?

3 - "Target offensive Module Againts Illegal Player Target (ship) -> Low-sec -> sec status penalty = yes"... do you want more people living in low sec and shooting each other more? Then change this value from "yes" to "no". This small change will shake up things positively for everybody.

wait....
so I can shoot everyone else in lowsec without sentry gun interference as long as I don't pod them ?

Are you seriously giving ratters 15 min "keep their ships in space" aggression timers? Do you not see anything wrong with this? This is a very simple question

If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place

Let me get this right, repping a -10 char that has no Criminal flag will not result in gateguns shooting at you?

Also: Hurray to the end of Gatecamps with Hotswapping Orca.

All we're missing now is a 'paused' local where you don't show up until you de-cloak and this will be a beautiful EVE Online.

This is not just oddly intentional, it is very intentional. If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place

This is not just oddly intentional, it is very intentional. If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place

I need a clarification on this example too.

From reading the charts, I see that shooting at a player ship only generates the suspect flag. The suspect flag consequences do not include sentry gun fire.

So will the sentry guns even fire at all if I shoot an illegal target player ship at a gatecamp in lowsec? I got the warp out and back thing... but why do I even need to warp out? All I have is Suspect, Weapons and PvP flags.

I need a clarification on this example too.

From reading the charts, I see that shooting at a player ship only generates the suspect flag. The suspect flag consequences do not include sentry gun fire.

So will the sentry guns even fire at all if I shoot an illegal target player ship at a gatecamp in lowsec? I got the warp out and back thing... but why do I even need to warp out? All I have is Suspect, Weapons and PvP flags.

I need a clarification on this example too.

From reading the charts, I see that shooting at a player ship only generates the suspect flag. The suspect flag consequences do not include sentry gun fire.

So will the sentry guns even fire at all if I shoot an illegal target player ship at a gatecamp in lowsec? I got the warp out and back thing... but why do I even need to warp out? All I have is Suspect, Weapons and PvP flags.

No kidding. I wish that ganglinks would be treated the same way... it would make a good difference in high sec. That and I would love to see all the flashy T3's start popping up in local.

That's the "Sec hit = Yes" and "Incurring Sec-status penalty" entries interact. If a sentry sees you do something bad, it will shoot you until you go away. After that, it will only shoot you again if you do something else bad, or are a Criminal

There really needs to be a way for 2 players to engage in a LE without the whole of eve getting involved.

As an example, at Eve Radio we do many tournaments (and I'm sure other entities hold competitions as well) using can flip mechanics to allow players to engage each other in highsec. With these new can flip mechanics, players will now be able to be attacked by anyone nearby.

I would like to see some sort of a challenge system where 2 players can agree to be flagged for an LE against each other without inviting the rest of Eve in on the fight.

Aside from that, I think the changes are brilliant.

My fellow RVBer had a great suggestion