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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1204
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:58:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Ishtariah
Silver Caduceus
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Posted - 2012.11.12 02:59:00 -
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I've had it with ISD. Never, in my 4 years in eve, have I ever been motivated to post complaints on this forum.
I post a simple question in General Discussion and my thread has been buried in a place where no one will ever see it.
Look through the first of GD right quick. I count no fewer than 7 threads that could easily be moved to another forum:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171430&find=unread belongs in either Missions or Ideas https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171474&find=unread belongs in the DUST subforum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171136&find=unread ships subforum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171531&find=unread Science and Industry https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171075&find=unread Ships or C&P https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171567&find=unread is similar to my thread, asking a simple yes or no question, yet this one is answered on GD and remains on GD
If you can't be bothered to do it right, don't do it at all. Don't get all uppity in the thread. Don't swing your **** around like you're the boss. Moderating is always at its worst on the weekend when every one of the ISD manages to drag themselves online and do whatever it is they have to do to get their perks. Enough.
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
96
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Posted - 2012.11.12 04:17:00 -
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I can't really show the exact examples since my posts have been deleted, but quite often an ISD will delete my posts then type this:
"I've cleaned some personal attack and troll posts from this thread. Please remember that such things are a breach of the forum rules and can lead to warnings and eventually a ban. "
Proceeded with the rules 6. Personal attacks are prohibited. and 7. Trolling is prohibited.
None of the posts that I"ve noticed have been deleted have broken these rules. God knows how many other posts you ISD's are deleting, I don't check every single on of my posts to see if they've been deleted.
I'm fairly certain the post that was deleted today was as follows:
"Why do you care if they get nerfed then?"
I would like someone to explain how this is a troll or a personal attack, so that I can refrain in the future from breaching the forum rules.
Edit: Also, does a forum ban = in game ban as well? I know some games do this but I would like to know this prior to continue posting on the fourms since I'm apparently breaking rules. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1209
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Posted - 2012.11.12 05:44:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Also, does a forum ban = in game ban as well? No, although I would imaging forum behavior could potentially be a grounds for an in-game ban if it's that egregious. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2968
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Posted - 2012.11.12 09:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that.
Tough. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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CCP Falcon
672
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Posted - 2012.11.12 10:42:00 -
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Okay, let me explain this very simply, one last time:
It's been stated multiple times in this thread that if people have general comments and questions, or constructive criticism regarding moderation, they can post in this thread.
This thread is NOT for the discussion of specific cases of moderation pertaining to individuals, or specfic members of ISD or CCP.
For specific problems with individual members of the ISD Volunteer Team or CCP Games, or for queries regarding specific warnings, bans or moderation actions, file a petition under the category "Other Issues" and the subcategory "Forums", and we'll investigate and give feedback.
If people genuinely have queries, and come to us in a calm and civil manner requesting further information then it's not a problem for us to investigate.
People have been given enough warning, and this thread has been left open specifically for people to post general queries and comments regarding moderation in a civil manner.
From here on, failure to follow this is going to result in the hammer coming out, and people losing their posting privileges, it really is as simple as that.
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
496
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Posted - 2012.11.12 10:59:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The fact still stands that our policy has been the same for as long as EVE Online has been around : We do not share information regarding any form of petition, customer service or account actions with third parties. Any discourse between CCP and a player in terms of dealing with warnings, bans, petitions or account management is private, and is between the player in question, and CCP. That's why we ask people to file a petition, because we will not release information of this nature to the forums. It also forms part of our rules that players will respect this fact and treat correspondence between themselves and CCP as confidential. In the end, it's been stated multiple times in this thread that if people have general comments and questions, or constructive criticism regarding moderation, they can post in this thread. For specific problems with individual members of the ISD Volunteer Team or CCP Games, or for queries regarding specific warnings, bans or moderation actions, file a petition under the category "Other Issues" and the subcategory "Forums", and we'll investigate and give feedback. If people genuinely have queries, and come to us in a calm and civil manner requesting further information then it's not a problem for us to investigate. With respect I believe you should read my post again.
Nowhere in my post do I suggest CCP engage in making public any information regarding forum ban on this forum or any other place.
I am questioning why it is being made so difficult for the customer when CCP could simply just send an email or EVE mail.
One would have to assume you have the detail right in front of you and could simply do this. It could be seen to appear that CCP are just choosing to make this customer jump through additional hoops. We're already discussing the matter in a general and non-detailed way. To effectively close the loop for customers when it is clear they obviously have concerns really doesn't seem to be much of a stretch for anyone here with the required information.
In my opinion I feel that this reply represents what I generally find that is wrong with much of with CCP's community engagement. Forum posts are seemingly not interpreted correctly, replies are given that do not seem completely in line with original posts. There seems to be an ongoing pattern of judgement issues.
It is a concern.
As for "petitions", the fact that no correspondence can be posted or linked to it is simply a process that has no transparency. I am unsure of what the posted "Big smile" is meant to represent in the context of your post. This reply from a CCP employee is simply just a shock!
If this is the general type of response to differences in viewpoints a customer could receive in public then one could only wonder at the nature of replies to that customer in the context of a "petition" may encounter.
I must confess, I am not left comforted by the posts by CCP I am reading in this thread today.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1210
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:00:00 -
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This entire thread is a farce. There are posts deleted all the time which do not violate any rules and no reason whatsoever was given. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1210
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:01:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that. Tough. And this attitude is itself unacceptable. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2968
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Guard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that. Tough. And this attitude is itself unacceptable.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Eterne explained what's up and it's really not just a personal choice for each person whether to accept the rules or not.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1210
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:14:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Guard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that. Tough. And this attitude is itself unacceptable. I'm sorry you feel that way. Eterne explained what's up and it's really not just a personal choice for each person whether to accept the rules or not. Except what Eterne said has nothing to do with the rules.
EDIT: Nevermind, the first sentence is, but I was referring to the second sentence of Eterne's post. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
446
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:16:00 -
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Hey Guard. Just wanted to say it was neat to meet you in Vegas. If you accept one of my wardec transfer corps into CCP Alliance I can get rid of all your wardecs and trolls for you ^^ Burn Highsec Griefers |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
162
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Guard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that. Tough. And this attitude is itself unacceptable.
You mean the attitude of carefully explaining what the rules and procedures are and then cutting you off when you go 'waaah they shouldnt apply to me because I'm such a special snowflake'
Grow the hell up. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1210
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:18:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Guard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:That is the ONLY proper way to deal with this issue. Continuing to hound ISD when you have been explicitly informed that what you are claiming is not possible is swiftly approaching harassment. I don't accept that. Tough. And this attitude is itself unacceptable. You mean the attitude of carefully explaining what the rules and procedures are and then cutting you off when you go 'waaah they shouldnt apply to me because I'm such a special snowflake' Grow the hell up. "I don't accept that" the discussion qualifies as harassment. Fair?
So no, the attitude of "we don't care that you take exception to our arbitrarily defining your civic participation in a discussion as harassment".
Even bungee cords don't stretch that far. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
165
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote: You mean the attitude of carefully explaining what the rules and procedures are and then cutting you off when you go 'waaah they shouldnt apply to me because I'm such a special snowflake'
Grow the hell up.
"I don't accept that" the discussion qualifies as harassment. Fair? So no, the attitude of "we don't care that you take exception to our arbitrarily defining your civic participation in a discussion as harassment". Even bungee cords don't stretch that far.
When your participation consists of the internet equivilant of going 'nu-uh' over and over again I think I can forgive CCP for no longer giving a damn about your opinion. If you really want to pick that particular hill to plant your cross on then dont let me stop you, however I will reserve the right to go'I told you so' when you get banned. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1212
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:33:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote: You mean the attitude of carefully explaining what the rules and procedures are and then cutting you off when you go 'waaah they shouldnt apply to me because I'm such a special snowflake'
Grow the hell up.
"I don't accept that" the discussion qualifies as harassment. Fair? So no, the attitude of "we don't care that you take exception to our arbitrarily defining your civic participation in a discussion as harassment". Even bungee cords don't stretch that far. When your participation consists of the internet equivilant of going 'nu-uh' over and over again I think I can forgive CCP for no longer giving a damn about your opinion. If you really want to pick that particular hill to plant your cross on then dont let me stop you, however I will reserve the right to go'I told you so' when you get banned. More arbitrary definitions. What are you getting out of this thread? It certainly seems like you're completely disinterested in an honest moderating team.
I reserve the right to go "I told you so" when you notice your posts disappearing and you have no idea why because they were on-topic and didn't break any rules. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Marbuel
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
29
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote: You mean the attitude of carefully explaining what the rules and procedures are and then cutting you off when you go 'waaah they shouldnt apply to me because I'm such a special snowflake'
Grow the hell up.
"I don't accept that" the discussion qualifies as harassment. Fair? So no, the attitude of "we don't care that you take exception to our arbitrarily defining your civic participation in a discussion as harassment". Even bungee cords don't stretch that far. When your participation consists of the internet equivilant of going 'nu-uh' over and over again I think I can forgive CCP for no longer giving a damn about your opinion. If you really want to pick that particular hill to plant your cross on then dont let me stop you, however I will reserve the right to go'I told you so' when you get banned. More arbitrary definitions. What are you getting out of this thread? It certainly seems like you're completely disinterested in an honest moderating team. I reserve the right to go "I told you so" when you notice your posts disappearing and you have no idea why because they were on-topic and didn't break any rules.
In the case of the process of arbitration taking place here it seems that you don't quite have a grasp of the process by which this system operates. The situation has been explained to you quite clearly, on more than one occasion, which can be witnessed by more than a few of those that might subject themselves to your contributions to this thread.
I daresay those that are having trouble understanding why someone who seems as potentially adroit as yourself might instead persist in bashing their head against a brick wall consider that dishonest - not the response you're consistently getting.
I find CCP/ISD's candid, clear and patient attempts to address your issue not only far from "arbitrary", but quite refreshing that they can do it in a fashion you find unacceptable. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1213
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:01:00 -
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Marbuel wrote:In the case of the process of arbitration taking place here it seems that you don't quite have a grasp of the process by which this system operates. The situation has been explained to you quite clearly, on more than one occasion, which can be witnessed by more than a few of those that might subject themselves to your contributions to this thread.
I daresay those that are having trouble understanding why someone who seems as potentially adroit as yourself might instead persist in bashing their head against a brick wall consider that dishonest - not the response you're consistently getting.
I find CCP/ISD's candid, clear and patient attempts to address your issue not only far from "arbitrary", but quite refreshing that they can do it in a fashion you find unacceptable. You seem to be confusing me with LCO. I only stepped into this particular subtopic because words like "harassment" were being thrown around with little regard as to their actual meaning. What I saw was someone trying to resolve an issue, albeit with a frustrated tone, in a civil manner and a nonspecific context, treated as though their concerns are irrelevant.
I've had perfectly legitimate posts of mine deleted in the past without any explanation or warning, and I face three rather unfortunate alternatives - utilize CCP's wonderful and critically acclaimed petition system for each and every post for what's rather likely to become a long wait on a very unsatisfying answer, shut and do nothing and hope it never happens again, or try to address the issue in a nonspecific manner in a thread such as this and face replies such as "that can't have happened because our system is set up this way" which you can't make any reply to because mentioning specific details is against the rules.
How convenient for them! http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
T1nyMan
Interstellar Solutions Agency
27
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: Even bungee cords don't stretch that far.
Gee I don't know man... They stretch pretty far.. But its the hooks you have to look out for especially when you buy the cheap ones. Unless you mean bungee jumping cords which I don't know about. I mean the ones you use to tie down trailers.. They are nasty so I went and bought ratchet straps.. They cost more but they are safer and tend to hold the load better cos you can get em real tight. I used em to hold down the firewood I cut for mate last summer.. I'm hoping to get out there again this summer and cut some more wood and use the ratchet straps.
So in summary bungee straps stretch way further than ratchet straps but are dangerous and you can't get them as tight.
Just something to think about... |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
165
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:06:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote: You mean the attitude of carefully explaining what the rules and procedures are and then cutting you off when you go 'waaah they shouldnt apply to me because I'm such a special snowflake'
Grow the hell up.
"I don't accept that" the discussion qualifies as harassment. Fair? So no, the attitude of "we don't care that you take exception to our arbitrarily defining your civic participation in a discussion as harassment". Even bungee cords don't stretch that far. When your participation consists of the internet equivilant of going 'nu-uh' over and over again I think I can forgive CCP for no longer giving a damn about your opinion. If you really want to pick that particular hill to plant your cross on then dont let me stop you, however I will reserve the right to go'I told you so' when you get banned. More arbitrary definitions. What are you getting out of this thread? It certainly seems like you're completely disinterested in an honest moderating team. I reserve the right to go "I told you so" when you notice your posts disappearing and you have no idea why because they were on-topic and didn't break any rules.
Since you asked what I'm getting, I'm getting a very entertaining discussion with someone who appears to have disappeared up his own arse a very long time ago.
Secondly I'm not that concerned about the moderation for two reasons 1. Unlike you I actually accept that adopting a stricter moderation policy and giving mods more leeway in how they intepret the rules actually does lead to the occasional extra post disappearing. This is not a declaration of war on forum posters or some secret ebil conspiracy to prevent certain people from posting, its a normal function of changing the way the mods look at things.
2. I'm also satisfied that should a post of mine do said disappearing act that there is a procedure in place for me to seek an explanation, assuming one wasnt provided when the post was removed. The fact that you dont accept it as valid is utterly irrelevant to the fact that it is there and theres even an easy way to say you are not happy with the explanation provided. Since we're in the field of asking questions, what more do you want them to do?
You have what I would define as unrealistic views of the moderators, seeming to believe them dishonest and applying the rules in an unbalanced manner, whereas I see them working hard to clean up a forum that has been by and large a **** infested, troll ridden cesspit for several years. Yes they arent perfect, no-one is, but they have oversight and reliable ways for users to reach that oversight.
To be honest the only things I see less of since they changed the mod policies and introduced the ISD mods are spamming, mindless trolling and pointless shitposting, none of which I miss in the slightest. |
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1213
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:11:00 -
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You're right, it's completely unrealistic to expect that moderators explain why they delete rule-abiding posts when they have absolutely no problem explaining why they delete posts that don't abide by the rules. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Marbuel
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
29
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: You seem to be confusing me with LCO.
As are you.
James Amril-Kesh wrote: I've had perfectly legitimate posts of mine deleted in the past without any explanation or warning, and I face three rather unfortunate alternatives - utilize CCP's wonderful and critically acclaimed petition system for each and every post for what's rather likely to become a long wait on a very unsatisfying answer, shut and do nothing and hope it never happens again, or try to address the issue in a nonspecific manner in a thread such as this and face replies such as "that can't have happened because our system is set up this way" which you can't make any reply to because mentioning specific details is against the rules. How convenient for them!
Because I feel it absolutely necessary to make my point, I'll go ahead and state that one such post of mine that was deleted without any explanation or any word whatsoever was merely an answer to another poster's question here about whether bans on the forum translate to in-game bans. No discussion of anything specific, just that general question on its own.
As I'm not privy to the content of the threads you've had deleted, I must admit I can't debate the propriety of any of the moderation that took place. At the end of the day, discussing a decision made under the rubric that governs a moderator's choices would be rather pointless. There's a clear set of rules, crying foul can only get you so far - a call has been made. I'd rather protect the moderator's ability to make it than fight for the right of posts to exist, however banal. You undermine the authority that has been given, and the system erodes in this case rather than evolves. Hence the call for constructive feedback rather than posts that verge on "harassment".
I wish you luck in getting over whatever offense you've taken to a post being deleted. But, since we're making absolutely necessary points, the tone and nature of your posts are not convincing me that whatever you've had removed in the past has been completely innocuous. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:26:00 -
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Apparently commenting that the game having a larger subscriber base would give me more people to steal from is now considered trolling. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2012.11.12 13:22:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Apparently commenting that the game having a larger subscriber base would give me more people to steal from is now considered trolling.
Personally, as a pirate, I think it's awesome :3
On a more serious note, wording can have a lot of impact on how your post is viewed and what context it's taken in.
I didn't deal with the post in question, but there's a big difference in posting when it comes to distinguishing between a short, sarcastic one liner and giving a good, reasoned explanation as to why it's awesome having more people around to blow up and steal stuff from.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
998
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:19:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Apparently commenting that the game having a larger subscriber base would give me more people to steal from is now considered trolling. Personally, as a pirate, I think it's awesome :3 On a more serious note, wording can have a lot of impact on how your post is viewed and what context it's taken in. I didn't deal with the post in question, but there's a big difference in posting when it comes to distinguishing between a short, sarcastic one liner and giving a good, reasoned explanation as to why it's awesome having more people around to blow up and steal stuff from.
It was in response to someone complaining that EVE would be pointless if there were 200-400k people online. My exact words were, "Actually this would be pretty awesome. I'd have more people to steal from".
Post was removed for trolling (If you think that's trolling, perhaps it's time for you to quit the internet).
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
1043
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:29:00 -
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For all the supposed effort you put into cleaning the forums, the forums aren't any cleaner to me. They aren't any more "civil", except in the cases where people attack CCP/ISD and that has been shut down (as it should really.)
But I don't really notice a difference. Take that as you will, and I hound the forums a decent amount.
My point is, it just seems you're creating more upsets than you are fixing any problems.
Where I am. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
949
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Posted - 2012.11.13 01:10:00 -
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To Mallak:
I'm echoing CCP Falcon here, I too don't know the specific post you're referring to but there is one possibility that springs to mind.
When we are forced to delete a post, the forum software automatically links all posts that have quoted the one to be deleted, as it makes no sense to keep replies that are in direct response to something that was removed.
It could be that in this case, your post was removed automatically because of that; the CCL agent involved would still have posted a message to the effect that the thread was cleaned of trolling, but that doesn't necessarily mean that *your* post was trolling; it might have been a valid retort (as it sounds in this case) to a post that wasn't acceptable.
If you're not sure that this might have been the case, you can either petition the community team to ask them about it, or you can report the original thread. If you put the text 'FAO CCL Leads' at the start of the report, then ISD Eshtir, myself or CCP will investigate.
To Bloodpetal:
I'm sorry you feel that way!
From our perspective, the forums are significantly cleaner; but I will concede that our measure of this is likely different from yours This is EVE, it's understood and accepted that part of the meta gaming aspect is that Forum PvP is just as legitimate as anything that happens in game. The forums are never going to be cuddly, but they can at least be civil.
So from our perspective, direct contraventions of forum rules have gone down, the amount of threads we've needed to lock has gone down massively and levels of communication and contribution have gone up. In the last month, you will see that many of our team our posting more and acting less.
We are almost presciently aware of the amount of 'upsets' that we have been accused of creating, that's true - but we're trying to get into a culture of being 100% transparent this thread and our change in how we lock threads is an example of that. We're also aware that we're (CCP and CCL) inducing a culture shift in the forums and when it comes down to it, nobody likes their cheese being moved. Last of all however, I don't like to defer to vulgar metaphors to talk about this great community, but in this case it's appropriate to say that 'The squeaky wheel gets the oil'.
We welcome any suggestions however; if you've got some thoughts from the player perspective on how we can be more transparent, we're very open to hearing them in this thread. ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring! |
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
97
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Posted - 2012.11.13 01:27:00 -
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It might be a worthwhile idea to expand upon the message that's posted in a thread in some manner when they are cleaned of troll/personal attacks, to indicate to people that if they had quoted a troll/flame/personal attack etc. that their post was also deleted although it may not have been breaking the rules or w/e.
From the forum users standpoint it would be a little more clear as to what's going on since it's rather confusing when this scenario happens.
From the moderators point of view it might reduce the amount of people coming in here asking hte same question: "Why was my post deleted for breaking X, I don't think I broke any rules!?!?"
I'm probably nitpicking a bit here, maybe this will be a usefull suggestion though. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
949
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Posted - 2012.11.13 01:46:00 -
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Nope, that's very good feedback silk, we actually did have a brief discussion about this today as we were wondering on the reasons why some people were concerned that their own posts had gone missing unexpectedly.
I think that moving forwards, we will try to be very clear in our thread response when this has happened. ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring! |
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Posted - 2012.11.13 01:58:00 -
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Posters need to know that their posts are at risk if they quote someone elses . Might be a good sig for ISD personel. |
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