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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:30:00 -
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Becka Goldbeck wrote:The Devs like to say that they try to be "hands-off" as much as possible in-game.
Why in the world should it be any different on a FORUM, where we come to express ourselves? I read this in the forum rules wiki page yesterday and I nearly spit my drink out. It's the first sentence actually: Quote:The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community.
Warm and friendly? In my Eve?
But this points to a significant disconnect between CCP hf.'s expectations and the Eve playerbase's expectations. If CCP really wants the forums to be warm and friendly, then having more involved moderation (i.e. more "hands-on") on the forums than they have in game is practically a requirement.
Becka, the forums are not the game. They both belong to CCP, and they are within their rights to dictate the rules for each. So while we can discuss (and perhaps negotiate) the rules, I don't think we players can use "the rules should be the same in both environments" as an arguing point.
MDD
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MailDeadDrop
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:34:00 -
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Reptail wrote:Do you realize this is a game forum and not your job, courth or jail forum? In my point of view you are doing quite the opposite than attracting people, if someone new reads your posts more than twice cuts his/her veins, boring! Reptail, attacking RSB doesn't advance the conversation here about CCP/ISD moderation. You can disagree with his points without being disagreeable.
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MailDeadDrop
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:40:00 -
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Reptail wrote:It is pointless to argue with you , stay well. You can dismiss someone's points without being dismissive. Posting it is needlessly provocative.
Reptail wrote:Edit and I meant "job forum" "jail forum" or "courth forum" not that isnt your right to post, Do you really think someone would really commit suicide by reading your posts?(might happen) lol. it was ironik, Actually, it's hyperbole not irony. And it did come across as provocative, although it's possible that written English isn't your best communication medium and maybe you didn't intend to provoke hostility.
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.17 15:15:00 -
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Becka Goldbeck wrote:Imagine a neighborhood, this neighborhood has a handful of police officers assigned to it. They generally look after everyone, make sure no criminal enterprises spring up and if an alarm goes off they respond. Everything has a general feeling of order but people barely notice they are there. Now imagine that all of a sudden one day volunteer positions open up for the job of "security guard", dozens of teenagers and young adults apply. Interesting aside: did you know that the prefrontal cortext is the last portion of the human brain to finish development? Did you know that this area is responsible for judgement (known in psychological terms as "executive function")? Did you know that the prefrontal cortext development continues until roughly age 26? I bet many of you are having "ah HA!" moments right about now...
Becka Goldbeck wrote:... while specifically stating we are not allowed to use examples in order to illuminate the ways in which you are wrong. I'll agree that this prohibition is uncomfortably vague, I'm not certain I agree with you that it is a complete prohibition. CCP/ISD appears to want to allow us to cite examples to support our claims, while avoiding the situation where someone would cite a specific moderator action with the intent to dispute that particular instance (which should be handled via petition). It's a very faint distinction.
Becka Goldbeck wrote:And you would defend this right? Since you seem to be such a big fan of selective moderation? I might argue that selective moderation isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, a moderator can't be merciful (a critical skill) without being selective. What I think we would agree on is that they should avoid adversely biased moderation. That is perhaps what you meant, and simply made an imprecise word choice. Also to be avoided, and distinct from "adversely biased", would be oppressive moderation, which is what I would ascribe to your interesting analogy.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 11:14:00 -
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Consistency is thread locking would be a great thing to have.
I see a consistent amount of threads needlessly locked for 'lack of content' but am amazed that these threads all found in General Discussion are allowed to continue
- The like and get likes thread (i mean, if this isnt mocking the ridiculously pointless 'like' system i dont know what it is)
- What is the avatar above you thinking
- Rate the avatar above you
- Hate the avatar above you
- What would you say if you woke up to the avatar above you in your bed?
If you were moderating the forums consistently these would/should have been locked a long time ago as they are all pretty much nonsense threads with no content, what makes them special?
While im not here to really talk about the issue of whether the forum community needs volunteer moderators at all (i think we got on just fine before they arrived) I think you should leave the issue of whether a thread needs to be locked up to the forum posters themselves.
If a thread is useless, redundant, duplicate or whatever, people will eventually just ignore the thread and let it fall through the pages. If you lock it yourselves, you often just incite the OP to create a new thread along the same lines.
If you are serious about maintaining standards i will be expecting you to lock all the previous threads that i highlighted above, OR, on the other hand, expect you to stop locking threads so often and let the community decide what threads they want to post in. TK is recruiting |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:26:00 -
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You raise some god points Skippermonkey, there's no simple answer but if you'll allow me, I'll post a few observations and a few facts and hopefully, some hope!
First, to address your point regarding threads locked for 'lack of content'.
You might notice a trend of change in this recently; I've personally just gone back through the last few pages of this forum and the only things that are locked are:
CCP posts that have expired their necessary usefulness. Posts that are opening new threads to discuss things that should be in the official comment threads. Posts that are blatantly against the rules from post 1.
We are reviewing our policy of locking and we're not going to do anything retroactively. You will notice more threads being moved. You will notice more threads being temporarily locked for cleaning. You will notice more threads getting ISD posts contributing or guiding in some way.
There has to be a trade off, there's simply not enough room in GD for everything! We also want to try our best to be as informative as possible when we lock something, so that it should be clear why it's happened. We know that some folks who posts here in GD, believes their post belongs here and that being moved is some kind of punishment because other forums are quieter. This is *so* not the case. I'm a firm believe that if posts are put into the right forums in the first place, then those forums will attract visitors.
If you see anything that you consider to be needlessly locked going forward, I ask you to report it for review or petition it. As leads, Eshtir and my self have the ability to undo excessive moderation in some cases, so let us know. If you report the OP and start your report 'FAO CCL Leads' then only Eshtir, myself or CCP will look at it.
As to why those previous threads have stayed open ? There are a number of reasons; they're harmless / authorized by CCP / encourage positive posting (mostly!) / help the forums feel lively. Another point is that they're about Generally about EVE in it's broadest definition and they're not hurting anyone being there.
I know that wants to promote the point "why them and not others"; but there's no way to answer that satisfactorily. We've made mistakes in the past, and we've not been uniform in our actions - this is understood. Part of the reason I'm here now is to make sure that moderator behavior is unilateral and fair.
I can't undo the mistakes of the recent past, but I hope I can stop them from happening again though. I will repeat my statement though - we are not going to do this retroactively, at least CCL is not. The Community team can and will address that, if they believe there's any necessity to do so.
What you say about 'useless/redundant/duplicate or whatever' threads. In a perfect environment, people would ignore them; but they don't. We get 'Wat' posts (Hi Jim o/) , 'IBTL' posts, 'Your bad and you should feel bad' posts.
These sorts of threads break down and become dysfunctional very quickly. That's not (intended to be) a gross sweeping statement there, it's fact. We've let some of these threads slide as an experiment, and by the second page, to a thread, things have gotten out of hand. "Why aren't ISD doing their job", "Why is this still here" etc. Of course, that in itself breeds more, those posts bump it to the top and breed more comments of people complaining.
We're very interested to hear what you might suggest can be done to fix that though - it's one of the things that we invariably end up locking.
To remark on your last paragraph, I'll quote CCP Gargant:
CCP Gargant wrote: I will reiterate what I have said many times now since joining the Community Team. Post constructively, leave out unneeded insults and personal attacks, and bring something to the table and you can post to your hearts content.
ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:31:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:To remark on your last paragraph, I'll quote CCP Gargant: CCP Gargant wrote: I will reiterate what I have said many times now since joining the Community Team. Post constructively, leave out unneeded insults and personal attacks, and bring something to the table and you can post to your hearts content.
I didnt think my last paragraph was an insult or attack... a little demanding maybe :p
Maybe you need a new forum area then, as threads like those i previously mentioned arent really 'General Discussion' about EVE, they are just fluff. TK is recruiting |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:49:00 -
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I didn't think you did, sorry!
I just meant to illustrate that the community can post where it wants as long as where it wants isn't a violation of the rules, is all!
One of the things we're thinking about is new forum areas, it's one of many options. What do you propose ?
I was half jokingly discussing with my team that we could have an 'Opinions' forum, but it would only allow one post to be made per thread; and it would have a Like button and Dislike button
Ok, that's unlikely to happen but we're open to suggestions from all avenues. Just remember as Navigator has said, CCP has a legal obligation to keep the forums PG13; we're unlikely to ever have an *anything goes* forum. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 13:17:00 -
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Have you discussed allowing people to create Polls?
As its easy to lose the general consencus of opinion sometimes when a bunch of people 'go to war' as it were within a thread
I guess 'likes' were kinda of a first step towards this aim, but as many have said before, likes are irrelevant when there is no method of 'disliking'
I like the reddit style of upvote/downvote karma, to see who is appreciated by the community and who isnt (or just who is controversial). Much like reddit, it would be great if you could see the player score (positiv or negative), and the score for an individual post.
Another thing, that doesnt really affect the forum use much, but is more visual, to have some kinds of 'post count' underneath the player avatar, either in number form, or visual, like colored pips or something (im thinkign like the level indicator on Bejeweled 2 Endless mode :p). This would also be useful if you allowed dislikes as well as likes, as currently, 'likes' are a basic form of identifying the more prolific forum posters TK is recruiting |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:02:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:To remark on your last paragraph, I'll quote CCP Gargant: CCP Gargant wrote:I will reiterate what I have said many times now since joining the Community Team. Post constructively, leave out unneeded insults and personal attacks, and bring something to the table and you can post to your hearts content.
Skippermonkey wrote:I didnt think my last paragraph was an insult or attack... a little demanding maybe :p
ISD Suvetar wrote:I didn't think you did, sorry! I just meant to illustrate that the community can post where it wants as long as where it wants isn't a violation of the rules, is all! Suvetar, I'll add that I, too, thought you were rebuking Skippermonkey. At least I did on the first reading, but I tend to read posts multiple times (that way all the voices in my head eventually get a turn...) so eventually I decided that maybe it wasn't a rebuke. I suppose that just demonstrates how what one writes can be so easily misunderstood.
Skippermonkey wrote:Have you discussed allowing people to create Polls? Polls certainly seem overdue; players have been limping along on band-aid solutions for quite a while now (example: the crowd-sourced wish list of changes). I would ask that if polls are added to the forums that voting be restricted to characters which are members of player corporations. Allowing NPC characters to vote seems to too easily permit sockpuppetry shenanigans. Restricting voting from characters in non-player corporations will irritate those players who insist on remaining in non-player corporations (frequently die-hard carebears), so you (CCP et al.) would need to be prepared. But to my thinking it would simply be another inducement to get into a player corporation (just like the NPC tax rates).
Also I realize that the above is more of a "Features & Ideas" discussion than a "Moderation" discussion, so it does fall a bit off-topic for this thread. But don't blame me; Skippermonkey started it!
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:06:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Have you discussed allowing people to create Polls?
We haven't - but I'm intrigued, what moderation things do you think that might help achieve ?
Skippermonkey wrote: .,.I like the reddit style of upvote/downvote karma...
Downvoting/Karma is a great idea in principle, we're just concerned how to have it without it being gamed or frankly abused.
I'll be honest, if you let people down-vote ISD, some people will do it to make a valid point (hi MDD!), Some people might do it to be funny (Hi Surfins!) and a lot of people will do it to troll or abuse.
I fear that the effect it would have though is causing new people in the forums to receive and institutionalized opinion that moderators are disliked and unhelpful!
I too would like to see post counts though, there are times it would help us do our jobs too! ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:06:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:Restricting voting from characters in non-player corporations will irritate those players who insist on remaining in non-player corporations (frequently die-hard carebears), so you (CCP et al.) would need to be prepared. But to my thinking it would simply be another inducement to get into a player corporation (just like the NPC tax rates). As satisfying as it would be to remove NPC corp players from voting, in the interests of fairness, they have to be included.
The best reason for this thinking is they might be voting on something that influences their decision to stay in the NPC corp in the first place.
The only way i can see polls working is if they are restricted to 'one vote per account'
edit - in response to your above post, you could argue the case for 'authority figures' like ISD's and DEV's to be removed from the up/down votes all together
As for the players being subject to 'block voting', well, thats just a reality that people will have to accept
edit2 - in regards to the 'what would polls do for moderating', you might be able to gauge the public reception to ideas or behaivor with more clarity to see if it is a prevailing mood of the community or just a grumpy forum poster pushing his agenda to the front of the queue TK is recruiting |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:13:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote: Suvetar, I'll add that I, too, thought you were rebuking Skippermonkey. At least I did on the first reading, but I tend to read posts multiple times (that way all the voices in my head eventually get a turn...) so eventually I decided that maybe it wasn't a rebuke. I suppose that just demonstrates how what one writes can be so easily misunderstood.
Quite so - I've amended the words I used, didn't mean to sound like I was having a go at anyone; we're having a really productive discussion here ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:15:00 -
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Hehe, maybe its social conditioning, that whenever rules are quoted people instantly asume they did something wrong :p TK is recruiting |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:25:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Skippermonkey wrote: Have you discussed allowing people to create Polls? I haven't personally - but I'm intrigued, what moderation issues do you think that might help resolve ? In terms of scenarios, that kind of thing ? I'll chime in here, although I think you were soliciting Skippermonkey's opinion. Polls would allow players an opportunity to support or oppose an idea in a concise, sterile, and anonymous manner. At present, to support or oppose a controversial idea exposes the player (well, their character...) to public ridicule. Ridicule which you would then have to moderate. So in theory polls could reduce the moderation workload.
ISD Suvetar wrote: Skippermonkeywrote: .,.I like the reddit style of upvote/downvote karma... Downvoting/Karma is a great idea in principle, we're just concerned how to have it without it being gamed or frankly abused.
I think we're all on the same page there; gaming and abuse were the things I was attempting to reduce by prohibiting players in non-player corporations from voting in polls.
Skippermonkey wrote:As satisfying as it would be to remove NPC corp players from voting, in the interests of fairness, they have to be included. The best reason for this thinking is they might be voting on something that influences their decision to stay in the NPC corp in the first place. Valid point. It may not be apparent, by I am ambivalent about my own proposal.
Skippermonkey wrote:The only way i can see polls working is if they are restricted to 'one vote per account' That does seem like a completely reasonable restriction. Unfortunately, I have my doubts that CCP's forum software has visibility to that information. So that restriction is at risk of being "not done" because of manpower limits.
ISD Suvetar wrote:I too would like to see post counts though, there are times it would help us do our jobs too! Although I worry at the possible costs of doing it, I would think a post count over a given timeframe (e.g. "the last 30 days") would be more useful. If a character was prolific two years ago, but has been silent for a long time, showing their post count would be misleading.
Edit: Damned quote limit! /me shakes fist. I'd love it if it were possible to have that restriction disabled on a per account basis. Some of us aren't pyramid quote abusers.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:31:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote: I too would like to see post counts though, there are times it would help us do our jobs too!
That info shouldn't be a open status symbol like likes. Can just lead to post hording or newer people spamming to get this status symbol higher like so many other boards. If anything, it should be kept in the profile page. Eve-search has a good stats system in which you have to choose to view it. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:37:00 -
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Compare 'post count' with 'karma recieved' and you can soon make a snap judgement on whether the poster has been 'spamming to get the status symbol' TK is recruiting |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:39:00 -
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New board features can be its own whole topic because this can get a little passionate. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:44:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:edit - in response to your above post, you could argue the case for 'authority figures' like ISD's and DEV's to be removed from the up/down votes all together
As for the players being subject to 'block voting', well, thats just a reality that people will have to accept
edit2 - in regards to the 'what would polls do for moderating', you might be able to gauge the public reception to ideas or behaivor with more clarity to see if it is a prevailing mood of the community or just a grumpy forum poster pushing his agenda to the front of the queue
Cheeky monkey; editing your post after we've already quoted you.
I agree: just exclude CCP, GM, ISD, and perhaps CSM characters (*characters*!) from karma votes.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:48:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:I agree: just exclude CCP, GM, ISD, and perhaps CSM characters (*characters*!) from karma votes.
MDD
Not CSM characters, it'd be a good test on whether they are actually a representative of the people TK is recruiting |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:55:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:New board features can be its own whole topic because this can get a little passionate. The complexities in the hows, whys, whens of votes and what-not would be a bit convoluted to pan out for moderator discussion. maybe i went slightly off topic then http://imageshack.us/a/img822/5618/forumtest.png TK is recruiting |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:06:00 -
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OK, so we've gotten a bit off-topic, but it feels like a good discussion. Which caused me to think:Quote:Moderators need the ability to "fork" posts out of a thread into their own thread. There are occasions where moderators are faced with a bit of a dilemma: remove posts which violate the rules (by being off-topic, posted by an NPC character, etc.) but which have redeeming content, or leave those same posts and expose themselves to accusations of adverse bias moderation ("you didn't delete those posts because you secretely have a hard-on for monkeys" ). In those situations, the moderators need a third option to fork those posts (the one that started the diversion, plus any that are responses to it).
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:13:00 -
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Back to the topic of polls: when moderators lock poll threads, they need the option of retaining the poll results to that point or discarding them. I can imagine situations where either would be appropriate. And when the OP creates a poll, they need to have the option of a system-imposed deadline, after which no voting can occur. Or perhaps require a deadline from the OP (limit it to within a year), so that all polls eventually close. I'm ambivalent about whether the discussion part of the poll should be permitted to continue after that point.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:18:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:when the OP creates a poll, they need to have the option of a system-imposed deadline I would argue that all polls need to have a short 'polling period' as the whole point is to capture the current prevailing mood.
There is little point in having a poll that is open for a year, as many things can happen in that timeframe.
I would suggest 7 day and 30 day polls
edit - i would also suggest that 'poll posts' should be limited to one active poll per person and that they recieve forum moderator approval before being posted to the forum TK is recruiting |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:24:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:when the OP creates a poll, they need to have the option of a system-imposed deadline
Skippermonkey wrote:I would argue that all polls need to have a short 'polling period' as the whole point is to capture the current prevailing mood.
There is little point in having a poll that is open for a year, as many things can happen in that timeframe.
I would suggest 7 day and 30 day polls I was trying to say something like: Require the OP to select a poll closing date within some limited horizon (e.g. a year, six months). For example, we may want a poll on what ships to allow in alliance tournament X, and the deadline for deciding that is March 15*.
MDD
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Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:50:00 -
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Why is it that some general discussion threads are locked because there is a dev blog or something somewhere else. What if we (the capsuleers browsing) just feel like discussing it between ourselves as it gives us something to talk about instead of having to post in a feedback thread.
I think that just because there is an official feedback thread, the threads just mentioning or asking a players opinion on something should not be locked because it is an interesting read and a place to speculate a specific instead of a wider spectrum for everyone to come and complain about something, not discuss.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.18 16:11:00 -
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Hi Jim,
Glad you asked that - I covered it earlier but very briefly.
You're absolutely right in one regard, those sort of posts often generate some very good feedback, as you say - something to talk about.
But we don't lock them because there's a Dev-blog. We lock them because there is already a thread dedicated to the subject. If it's an an interesting subject for you guys to talk about then it's a *really* great topic for the developers to read about and that's why it's policy to co-ordinate all of that feedback into one place. Simply, it ensures that CCP can to hear as much of a broad spectrum of feedback as possible.
Because it's not in General discussion is an advantage too, they won't have to go searching for feedback.
However, that's just the current thinking, I know both the Community team and CCL follow this method.
Speaking as a member of CCL, I don't think that simply just allowing multiple topics is the way forward, this place is too busy at the best of times.
So what suggestions do people have about solving this? Do people think it's a big issue, even?
I ask as quite often there's a comment in such a duplicate saying "And you needed to make a new thread because?"; Not a nice response for anyone to get, really. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department we are hiring!. |
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.10.18 16:25:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:So what suggestions do people have about solving this? Do people think it's a big issue, even?
I ask as quite often there's a comment in such a duplicate saying "And you needed to make a new thread because?"; Not a nice response for anyone to get, really.
First, I agree: that sort of response is unpleasant. To use an American idiom it's "a kick in the teeth".
As for solving it, if I work from Jim's original premise that the duplicate thread was created intentionally duplicate, with the purpose of having discussions separate from the feedback thread, then I don't have a solution. I don't even think it is necessarily appropriate to classify it as a problem (needing a solution).
What may be more productive is to investigate why someone thinks a separate discussion thread is needed. Is it a perception problem that the official feedback thread is only for talking to the Devs? Is it a signal-to-noise (or signal-to-signal) problem in the official thread, where the duplicating thread owner feels that their point of discussion would be washed out? Is it a visibility problem, where the duplicating thread owner feels that a thread in (presumably) GD would get more player notice than the official feedback thread? Is it an ego problem?
In those cases where a duplicate thread has good content and does not need to remain a separate thread, maybe the Devs that implement the "fork" function (scroll back) can also implement a moderator "join" function to combine the duplicate thread into the duplicated thread. *insert "hope" icon*
MDD
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Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:47:00 -
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because posting in threads like these really sucks.
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Becka Goldbeck
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:29:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote: But we don't lock them because there's a Dev-blog. We lock them because there is already a thread dedicated to the subject. If it's an an interesting subject for you guys to talk about then it's a *really* great topic for the developers to read about and that's why it's policy to co-ordinate all of that feedback into one place.
Open your mind to the possibility that a topic may have multiple facets which can encompass a broad range of ideas, able to support multiple threads. Do you know what a thread literally refers to?
Dictionary wrote: A long, thin strand of cotton, nylon, or other fibers used in sewing or weaving.
Imagine a thread as an idea flowing out in discussion until it comes to it's conclusion or end. Wouldn't the discussion of multiple ideas interrupt this flow, even if they're in the same broader category?
Also, it's sort of astounding that you guys view the forum as existing SOLELY for your "feedback"
I know it may be difficult to see at first but discussions may exist simply because people have a common concurrent thought. Not everything which happens in other people's minds has to do with you. So just to sum up, yes CCP you are here trying to collect feedback, this does not mean everything here is in existence as feedback for you. |
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