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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.16 11:10:00 -
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I've read through all these posts and i must say that i have nothing of value to add, which i, in this very special context, consider to be a good thing.
Thank you for this thread. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
160
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Posted - 2012.10.16 12:40:00 -
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I think some of the recent attacks and insults in the forums against the ISDs are wrong, As mature gameplayers we should know want is correct to write down in the threads and if we cross the line. The moderaters are there to say you have crossed the line.
I know we all feel the need to rant once in a while, but do expect this threads to be closed if they get out of hand. Remember these guys are unpaid and are giving their time up for the good of EVE. |
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
161
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Posted - 2012.10.16 12:43:00 -
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Amber Accelerando wrote: The assertion that a community that survived for 8 years before an ISD CCL team & without Block available somehow all of a sudden couldn't survive without the constant handholding of a bunch of 'well meaning' volunteers running amok locking, editing, deleting nearly everything in sight is more than a little hard to swallow.
Again I say, the manifest function of this extreme solution to a problem that never really existed, is not the 'Health of the Community', this is purely about controlling thought, opinion & ideas on their Forum.
The internet was an extreme solution to a problem that never really existed. Times change.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that this thread is a response to the fact that a certain degree of overmoderation did happen sometimes. As we have said, mistakes happen and sometimes we are wrong. By doing this we are trying to give you binoculars to watch the watchers, so to speak. CCP Gargant | Community Representative |
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.10.16 13:45:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:... this thread is a response to the fact that a certain degree of overmoderation did happen sometimes. As we have said, mistakes happen and sometimes we are wrong. Considering how some posters will latch upon that statement and proceed to (verbally) beat you about the head and shoulders with it, that must've been hard to write. Thanks. Go get a beer* on me; you've earned it.
CCP Gargant wrote:By doing this we are trying to give you binoculars to watch the watchers, so to speak. Oh please, please, please go troll the art dept folks, telling them some story about how you've made mention of binoculars and now they simply must get some ready for the NEX for the Winter release. Bonus points if you can get get other Community team members to join in the trolling.
MDD
* Cut it out with that girlie white wine. Oh god, it's probably Riesling isn't it? |
Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
500
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Posted - 2012.10.16 14:02:00 -
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:) one thing I have wondered about... while there has been over moderation, why haven't threads like "like and get likes" "what is the avatar above thinking" and anything similar been locked as they have all been contentless by comparison to other posts that have been locked and such, also duplicate for having many similar threads. :) Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
1044
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Posted - 2012.10.16 14:28:00 -
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I am a bit annoyed by the
Some random ISD wrote:Hope this helps
sign of all ISD posts. Please stop. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.10.16 14:36:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:I am a bit annoyed by the Some random ISD wrote:Hope this helps sign of all ISD posts. Please stop. By "sign" I'm reading that as "closure"; if I'm mis-reading your statement, please clarify.
I don't disagree with you; I can see where it has a tinge of flippancy, although on balance I think the ISD writer is being sincere. Do you have a suggestion for a better closure, or do you propose that the ISD, as a rule, do without posting closures? I am perhaps an especially poor choice to weigh in on this, as I always close my posts with:
MDD
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
1044
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Posted - 2012.10.16 14:50:00 -
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Have a nice day, See you soon, Take care, Fly safe, Feel free to ask if you have anything else on your mind
ET CETERA
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:06:00 -
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Humor does seem to be addressed with a bias. Several threads have been allowed to exist that would have been locked immediately if they had been started today.
Is there a process where a global moderator consensus can be applied to locking a humor thread? Would a dislike/like function for only the moderators be helpful in resolving this?
If you don't want to have a Humor Suspect taking off before getting a moderator consensus can be reached use a flag that locks the thread temporarily - one publicly visible.
ISD moderation is subject to petition, but I wonder if petitioning would really fix the unfairly locked threads problem because it would still be dependent on one person's sense of humor, which is definitely going to have culture bias in it. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:09:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Have a nice day, See you soon, Take care, Fly safe, Feel free to ask if you have anything else on your mind
ET CETERA
They are allowed to have manners and be sociable. It's called being human.
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:12:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Have a nice day, See you soon, Take care, Fly safe, Feel free to ask if you have anything else on your mind
ET CETERA
KIller Wabbit wrote: They are allowed to have manners and be sociable. It's called being human.
I fear that you may have misinterpreted Ammzi's post, KW. He was offering up alternatives (at my prompting) to the closure he found mildly annoying. Your reply makes it appear you think he is saying they shouldn't use those.
Ammzi, those are all good suggestions. Thanks.
MDD |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:38:00 -
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Amber Accelerando wrote:I would like to float the idea that this level of 'moderation' was never needed, is totally superfluous & counter productive & is in fact destroying the health of the Community. MailDeadDrop wrote: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence*. Succinctly, what is your evidence that the health of the Eve community is in decline? What is your evidence that the present level of moderation is a factor in such decline? Amber Accelerando wrote:Ok, firstly I detect smugness, so I'll try not to be too irritable.
smugness: Exhibiting or feeling great or offensive satisfaction with oneself or with one's situation Well, I don't know that is precisely correct, but I'll own that character flaw since it is probably partially true. Thanks for leveling with me without leveling me.
Amber Accelerando wrote:I'm speaking from personal experience with the Forums, I used to enjoy the Forum experience & considered it representative of the community at large & good fun, entertaining & vibrant.
Now, definitely not. The quality of threads is in sharp decline as is the quality of the discussion & even when a good discussion does happen chances are it will be imposed upon by an ISD who will attempt to direct the conversation, warn players of possible 'rule violations' or simply lock it for whatever inane reason imaginable. This sounds like a strawman. You claim that the quality of the threads and the discussions is down without supporting it, you imply that somehow those declines are caused by the new moderators without elaborating how that could be, and you vilify the moderators by saying that they maliciously interfere in otherwise desirable discussions. Now I'll grant you a half point on that last item, as Gargant has already said that some "over-moderation" has happened, although I don't think there has been any evidence to support malicious motivation. I, personally, have reported ISD moderator actions that I believe are improper, but in every case it appeared to be a problem of inexperience (leading to uninformed judgement) and not maliciousness. I believe the Community team is making good-faith efforts to reign in those actions/actors.
Amber Accelerando wrote:The new forums have the excellent Block function available I am not a fan of the block function. It seems to be a punishment appropriate for irredeemable posters, but I like to believe that there's a chance that a character's terribad post may be followed later by a gem.
There's more in your post to which I'd like to respond, but I'm afraid I'm out of time at the moment.
MDD
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:08:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Humor does seem to be addressed with a bias. Several threads have been allowed to exist that would have been locked immediately if they had been started today.
Is there a process where a global moderator consensus can be applied to locking a humor thread? Would a dislike/like function for only the moderators be helpful in resolving this?
If you don't want to have a Humor Suspect taking off before getting a moderator consensus can be reached use a flag that locks the thread temporarily - one publicly visible.
ISD moderation is subject to petition, but I wonder if petitioning would really fix the unfairly locked threads problem because it would still be dependent on one person's sense of humor, which is definitely going to have culture bias in it.
These are two excellent observations. Firstly no matter whether it is a Community Rep or an ISD member, petitioning will always cause us to review what went on. If we find that something was done badly we make sure the people involved know about it. That should at least cause some awareness to that specific subject.
Secondly, humor. We are a very humorous bunch here at CCP as might have become evident by some of the tomfoolery we do. I must admit that we don't have a specific guide to what constitutes humor and what constitutes as a contentless contribution. That is one of the things I intend to have changed though. CCP Gargant | Community Representative |
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Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
506
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:31:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:Humor does seem to be addressed with a bias. Several threads have been allowed to exist that would have been locked immediately if they had been started today.
Is there a process where a global moderator consensus can be applied to locking a humor thread? Would a dislike/like function for only the moderators be helpful in resolving this?
If you don't want to have a Humor Suspect taking off before getting a moderator consensus can be reached use a flag that locks the thread temporarily - one publicly visible.
ISD moderation is subject to petition, but I wonder if petitioning would really fix the unfairly locked threads problem because it would still be dependent on one person's sense of humor, which is definitely going to have culture bias in it. These are two excellent observations. Firstly no matter whether it is a Community Rep or an ISD member, petitioning will always cause us to review what went on. If we find that something was done badly we make sure the people involved know about it. That should at least cause some awareness to that specific subject. Secondly, humor. We are a very humorous bunch here at CCP as might have become evident by some of the tomfoolery we do. I must admit that we don't have a specific guide to what constitutes humor and what constitutes as a contentless contribution. That is one of the things I intend to have changed though.
If a thread is contentless it would die out by itself... if people are responding, there is either an element of content or humor Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
Amber Accelerando
One Point 0
5
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Posted - 2012.10.16 21:28:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote: The internet was an extreme solution to a problem that never really existed. Times change.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that this thread is a response to the fact that a certain degree of overmoderation did happen sometimes. As we have said, mistakes happen and sometimes we are wrong. By doing this we are trying to give you binoculars to watch the watchers, so to speak.
You think? By you mean past tense? Sorry beg to differ. San Severina - Banned. III ZiggyBang - Banned.-á KillerPriest you are my hero. |
Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
510
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Posted - 2012.10.16 22:27:00 -
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I think what he means is it will not happen as often in the future :) Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1313
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Posted - 2012.10.16 22:41:00 -
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Bubanni wrote: If a thread is contentless it would die out by itself... if people are responding, there is either an element of content or humor
That is a rather limited outlook. How often can and will a topic wind down to the same 3 or 4 people in an insult loop or rehashing the same info that's been said before for the past 20 pages? Specially rumor mills that incite arguments from false allegations. It may be funny for a bit to read the ridiculousness of it, yet it can confuse others as to the truth of it and shine an unwarranted bad light on CCP. They are not black-ops coverups but shouldn't spreading baseless allegations toward a company be moderated on their own forums? A passive or overlooking attitude toward their forums can show a lack of care or respect to their consumer base. While others see a sneaky company covering up misdealings, or a lack of trust to the maturity of those on the forum. Then you have other negative thinking because "just the right people" are not part of the main moderation program. They wont be pleasing everyone with their decisions on humor or content. No, you can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime, you just might find You get what you need.
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Becka Goldbeck
25
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Posted - 2012.10.16 22:48:00 -
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I agree with Amber I don't see how any objective person could look at these forums and say with a straight face that they aren't over-moderated. It seems to me that practically every thread has an ISD posting in it, conducting some sort of subversion. As MailDeadDrop was saying, it's clear that the ISDs are conducting themselves and even cultivating a forum persona in ways completely inappropriate for their position.
How would they like it if I had mod powers?
If I posted as I do now and then had the gall to modify and delete other's posts, or any other regular poster for that matter. That is what seems to be happening now with these ISDs.
The working definition of trolling which has been adopted is so unnecessarily strict, that unless you delete almost all the threads you leave yourself open to the necessity of selective moderation, at the mercy of the mod's bias, whether it be conscious or unconscious.
The Devs like to say that they try to be "hands-off" as much as possible in-game.
Why in the world should it be any different on a FORUM, where we come to express ourselves? |
Reptail
SPACE LIGHT EMPIRE
14
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:42:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Bubanni wrote: If a thread is contentless it would die out by itself... if people are responding, there is either an element of content or humor
That is a rather limited outlook. How often can and will a topic wind down to the same 3 or 4 people in an insult loop or rehashing the same info that's been said before for the past 20 pages? Specially rumor mills that incite arguments from false allegations. It may be funny for a bit to read the ridiculousness of it, yet it can confuse others as to the truth of it and shine an unwarranted bad light on CCP. They are not black-ops coverups but shouldn't spreading baseless allegations toward a company be moderated on their own forums? A passive or overlooking attitude toward their forums can show a lack of care or respect to their consumer base. While others see a sneaky company covering up misdealings, or a lack of trust to the maturity of those on the forum. Then you have other negative thinking because " just the right people" are not part of the main moderation program. They wont be pleasing everyone with their decisions on humor or content. No, you can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime, you just might find You get what you need.
Do you realize this is a game forum and not your job, courth or jail forum? In my point of view you are doing quite the opposite than attracting people, if someone new reads your posts more than twice cuts his/her veins, boring! Ground-á Shiwer |
Amber Accelerando
One Point 0
5
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Posted - 2012.10.17 00:25:00 -
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Becka Goldbeck wrote:
How would they like it if I had mod powers?
If I posted as I do now and then had the gall to modify and delete other's posts, or any other regular poster for that matter. That is what seems to be happening now with these ISDs.
The working definition of trolling which has been adopted is so unnecessarily strict, that unless you delete almost all the threads you leave yourself open to the necessity of selective moderation, at the mercy of the mod's bias, whether it be conscious or unconscious.
Becka, I cannot improve on your posts.
A+++ San Severina - Banned. III ZiggyBang - Banned.-á KillerPriest you are my hero. |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1313
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Posted - 2012.10.17 00:26:00 -
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Reptail wrote: Do you realize this is a game forum and not your job, courth or jail forum? In my point of view you are doing quite the opposite than attracting people, if someone new reads your posts more than twice cuts his/her veins, boring!
But its your job to try and disparage and insult peoples point of view to the degree of mentioning others would try and commit suicide from reading them because they conflict with your own? What point does that serve the discussion? It does serve as a good example of what kind of post can keep a topic afloat without an element of content or humor (personal preference of course) |
Reptail
SPACE LIGHT EMPIRE
15
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Posted - 2012.10.17 00:53:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
But its your job to try and disparage and insult peoples point of view to the degree of mentioning others would try and commit suicide from reading them because they conflict with your own? What point does that serve the discussion? Oh, it does serve as a good example of what kind of post can keep a topic afloat without an element of content or humor (personal preference of course).
It is pointless to argue with you , stay well.
Ground-á Shiwer |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1313
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Posted - 2012.10.17 02:19:00 -
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Reptail wrote: It is pointless to argue with you , stay well.
Edit and I meant "job forum" "jail forum" or "courth forum" not that isnt your right to post, Do you really think someone would really commit suicide by reading your posts?(might happen) lol. it was ironik, anyway why do you take it so serious ? Not to offend you but you seems a bit angry at others, like you want to destroy everything that is fun, I just expressed what i felt, so speak to me not "others" (even if used plural so sry for that), and yes it might help if it's not only me who feels that about posters like you (note: dont take it personal I'm taking you just as an example of the direction these forums are taking).
See how easy it is to misconstrue the intentions of a post when you just post without thinking or reviewing what you wrote. This is what moderation in ISD, CCP or otherwise have to deal with. A personal attack or a poorly thought out point? I can see some who get moderated can happen due to poor taste than malicious intent. Its an international game, there are a lot of views. Who will take some un-serious comments to you can be serious to them. Know your audience when you are trying to make a point. What do you think the huge stink as about when the Mittani told people to harass someone to the point of suicide at fanfest because he was drunk and making a joke. |
Reptail
SPACE LIGHT EMPIRE
16
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Posted - 2012.10.17 09:36:00 -
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Even a saint couldn't resist to get mad at you, now please stop talking to me.
You just try to drive people mad so that they maybe swear at you and get banned.
If these are the kind of people you people like, I'm not sure where the world is heading , lol. Ground-á Shiwer |
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.10.17 11:41:00 -
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Becka Goldbeck wrote:I agree with Amber I don't see how any objective person could look at these forums and say with a straight face that they aren't over-moderated. It seems to me that practically every thread has an ISD posting in it, conducting some sort of subversion. As MailDeadDrop was saying, it's clear that the ISDs are conducting themselves and even cultivating a forum persona in ways completely inappropriate for their position.
I suppose I should ask you what you think is appropriate for their position? There is no right way to be a moderator, everyone has their own approach to that job just like every other job in the world. You see how the Community Team approaches the forums, we all behave in our own little quirky way. We operate within our own rules and moderate in accordance with them, but we still don't take this deathly serious because it's a forum for a game and it is more fun to have a little fun.
Becka Goldbeck wrote:How would they like it if I had mod powers?
If you think you want to, go apply to the CCL. We are always looking for good candidates.
Becka Goldbeck wrote:If I posted as I do now and then had the gall to modify and delete other's posts, or any other regular poster for that matter. That is what seems to be happening now with these ISDs.
The working definition of trolling which has been adopted is so unnecessarily strict, that unless you delete almost all the threads you leave yourself open to the necessity of selective moderation, at the mercy of the mod's bias, whether it be conscious or unconscious.
Moderating a forum boils down to hundreds of judgement calls each and every day. To sanity check our judgement calls, we have the forum rules. These forum rules were created when the forums started, so this 'unnecessarily strict definition' has been here the entire time. I don't know if you are familiar with the old CRC. They used to do exactly the same thing the CCL does now except sometimes they were harsher and stricter. Then came a period of very little moderation on the forums and that entire thing fell on the three-man Community Team. This was all recounted in Navigators post when the CCL was started up. And before you start stating that the forums were better without moderation, many can testify that the days with the CRC were best.
And now for the biggest and loudest argument we will ever have on a forum, ever. Selective moderation. As I stated above, this job is an endless series of judgement calls. Moderating is intrinsically a selective procedure because there is no way to define do's and don'ts any better than we already have. We are dealing with human behavior here and trying to come up with precise guidelines for human behavior is like trying to herd cats.
I will reiterate what I have said many times now since joining the Community Team. Post constructively, leave out unneeded insults and personal attacks, and bring something to the table and you can post to your hearts content. Spouting falsities, insults, bad manner, inflammatory remarks, and other drivel is not a form of expression we want on our forums.
Becka Goldbeck wrote:The Devs like to say that they try to be "hands-off" as much as possible in-game.
Why in the world should it be any different on a FORUM, where we come to express ourselves?
If anyone wants to express themselves in a way that violates our forum rules, they need to go somewhere else and do it there. As to our involvement on the forums, that is because we are Community Representatives. We communicate with players here because we are the communications team. I do not believe that is comparable to in-game activities. CCP Gargant | Community Representative |
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
203
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Posted - 2012.10.17 11:57:00 -
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My opinion is that transparency combined with genuinely taking on board feedback from players will eventually breed a system that the community agrees is an acceptable level of moderation.
If you look at the Something Awful forums if a user is banned for a post, it says so on the post. Everyone can view the ban history of a poster. Personally I think that's great, if you're trying to lurk a bit and find where you fit in with everyone looking at a post with a mod stamp saying "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST" gives you an idea of what NOT to post. Likewise if you think a mod is being over zealous, you can simply look up all the users they banned and why, then call them out on it (or in the case of EVE-O file a petition etc).
Plus it means that people can never claim "over moderation" without being able to say "For example ,here, here and here" because if they don't have examples they are probably making it up.
I mean I started a GD thread which got locked (because it was terrible and thats why I made it) but I think thats pretty much the only interaction with the ISD I've ever been aware of.
I know it's more of a forum coding rather than moderation team thing, but I think moderation needs to be a lot more visible. I honestly think the CCL team wants to listen to player feedback so the best way to use that is to make moderation as visible as possible.
At the moment posts edited by mods usually say why etc. I think that's a good start but other actions too I think are a good thing. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1313
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:56:00 -
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Reptail wrote:Even a saint couldn't resist to get mad at you, now please stop talking to me.
You just try to drive people mad so that they maybe swear at you and get banned.
If these are the kind of people you people like, I'm not sure where the world is heading , lol. There is self moderation available if you cant control yourself from irrational attacks. Click my name and choose to hide posts. |
Becka Goldbeck
29
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:06:00 -
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Imagine a neighborhood, this neighborhood has a handful of police officers assigned to it. They generally look after everyone, make sure no criminal enterprises spring up and if an alarm goes off they respond. Everything has a general feeling of order but people barely notice they are there. Now imagine that all of a sudden one day volunteer positions open up for the job of "security guard", dozens of teenagers and young adults apply.
"Wouldn't it be nice and fun to include them? Everyone will be safer and things will feel more inclusive. Not to mention the fact they will make our jobs easier. No one in their right mind could ever be opposed to this" they say.
So one morning citizens of the neighborhood awake and things seem at first as they usually do. But they quickly come to notice that there are 'security guards' patrolling the street. They're questioning people as they pass and peering through windows. The general feeling of order has transformed to an ominous controlling presence and it's impossible for it to go unnoticed.
The security guards are the ISD in that scenario in case you didn't pick that up. Your response to this seems to be
"I don't see a distinction, the security guards are the same as us. Besides, were you not under these same laws before? I don't see how things have really changed at all and in the ways that they have you could argue that things are even better now!"
You claim all this while specifically stating we are not allowed to use examples in order to illuminate the ways in which you are wrong.
You and the ISD seem to like writing me off, telling me to just apply to be a mod (everyone must have the same penchant for authority that you two have right?) Let's say just for fun that I was one in the ilk that we see around today. I would first edit your OP, claiming "this is bad manners" then I would delete your post and say "I think it's obvious as to why, we can all see the trolling going on here"
And you would defend this right? Since you seem to be such a big fan of selective moderation? |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
97
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:09:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:If a thread is contentless it would die out by itself... if people are responding, there is either an element of content or humor I call a thread "dying out by itself" withering. You state that content-less threads wither as if it is a certainty; that it always happens. Perhaps, but in my experience those threads (as a group) only mostly wither -- there are an annoying few that are like some horrible zombie and just won't die. My personal example: the "what is the avatar above you thinking" thread. For heaven's sake, somebody please put a stake through its heart*. After 40 or 50 or 100 pages all of the humor that can be mined has been, and yet the damned thread is up to 217 pages now and still on the front page of GD! I assume that the moderators leave it open because locking it would cause more forum discontent than leaving it open, and that it doesn't otherwise reflect badly on CCP. So I just grit my teeth and silently say another prayer for humanity. *sigh*
Sorry; got a little off-track there. So, not all threads wither which should. Furthermore, even among that large portion of threads that do wither they may not wither fast enough. So we still need moderators judging threads as a whole as "unworthy to grow in the garden of Eve's forums" and lopping them off. Heh. Earlier I was casting moderators as custodians, now as gardeners. Well, at least it's a greener job!
Actually, on reflection, "gardener" is a wonderful analogy! - vegetables: all the "completely appropriate, on-topic" threads
- weeds: nuisance threads which are, on balance, off-topic or similarly low-level undesirables
- nettles: threads which seem to have the intention of being demeaning, pornographic, hateful, etc.
- wildflowers: unexpected and perhaps off-topic threads which are humorous or have other redeeming qualities
I'm sure there are other plants you can fit into the imagery. This paints a picture of the challenge before the moderators: how do they know whether that new green shoot over there is nettle or a weed or a wildflower? Has this tomato plant borne all the fruit that it likely will, and should be cleared to make room for new plants? Who the hell let all these bees/goons in here OMG GET THE INSECTICIDE ... ok, I go a bit too far. MDD
* Yes, I realize I'm mixing my monster motifs here. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
97
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:17:00 -
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Amber Accelerando wrote:CCP Gargant wrote: The internet was an extreme solution to a problem that never really existed. Times change.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that this thread is a response to the fact that a certain degree of overmoderation did happen sometimes. As we have said, mistakes happen and sometimes we are wrong. By doing this we are trying to give you binoculars to watch the watchers, so to speak.
You think? By you mean past tense? Sorry beg to differ. Not helpful Amber. Your post comes across as needlessly egotistic. It's ok to disagree with Gargant's implication that the over-moderation has ceased (I'm not certain he actually claimed it has ceased, but no matter). But to simply say "I disagree" without providing a basis for that disagreement misses the opportunity to advance the discussion. Why waste the audience's time like that?
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