Show me your math and when I'm done LOLing I'll respond.

I provided both an explanation and a comparative example in my first post. You did, in fact, quote part of that explanation when asking me to explain (hence why I know your request wasn't genuine: that, and I respect your intelligence).

Right, and as we both know, shifting the velocity of the target can be utterly debilitating in certain situations and therefore immensely harmful.

I don't disagree that it's working as intended, but that intention does create certain possibilities, such as tackling as part of a gank without triggering concord, or disabling a target's mining vessel to the point where he's willing to pay you millions of ISK to stop, that are clearly broken in context.

.... is this a legitimate use of the game mechanics or is it utilising a game mechanic in a way that it was never designed to be utilised?

Is it concievable that something as big as a freighter can be bumped by a much much smaller ship. Yes I know real life physics don't apply to Eve but still..... Would it not make more sense that in order to bump a ship... any ship... you have to have a bigger mass than it or you simply bump off yourself and your target is unaffected? Would that be so hard to implement?

I'm trying to make this a serious discussion thread about an important game mechanic. Please keep it on topic so that it isn't locked.

Thanks

This mechanic is also used to bump supers, dreads, carriers, BSes etc out of POSes, I don't hear anyone bitching about that.

Judging on what I know, you guys don't bump to prevent a warp though. You bump to evade concord and that's a TOS violation.

You scramble with a neutral, it breaks auto pilot, you then bump them beyond sentry range and lengthen Concord reaction times allowing you to reduce the losses you take in killing the freighter.

As for what you do with the bumping to outside sentry. I said it, I meant it. It's Concord evasion. You are doing it to Evade Concord even if only for a few seconds. You might want to look up the definition of evade.

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:


Bumping is not considered harassment.
Bumping is not considered griefing.
Bumping is not against the rules.



It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. Smile

I don't know.

If real physics applied then the frigs would just bounce off the larger ships

But the whole 747 and Cessna thing doesn't apply because we are talking about objects in space. I mean the Earth doesn't move everytime its hit by an asteroid does it?

but the point of the matter is we are talking about the use of the game mechanic to do abuse in hi sec.

I don't know. I think i'd rather have the group griefs cry more because they have tastier tears when the tables are turned on them so lets remove bumping.