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baltec1
Bat Country
2895
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:36:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:And your in no way biased at all... The mechanic is rubish its that simple. Try bumping this > Big MofoWith this > tiny mofoAnybody with half a brain can figure out what would happen. Hell I dont even fly freighters and I think the whole thing is ridiculous
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Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
10
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Wodensun wrote:And your in no way biased at all... The mechanic is rubish its that simple. Try bumping this > Big MofoWith this > tiny mofoAnybody with half a brain can figure out what would happen. Hell I dont even fly freighters and I think the whole thing is ridiculous http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/5999159.bin
That one keeled over because it came to close to shore and hit the rocks... Try harder. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
491
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:39:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:And your in no way biased at all... The mechanic is rubish its that simple. Try bumping this > Big MofoWith this > tiny mofoAnybody with half a brain can figure out what would happen. Hell I dont even fly freighters and I think the whole thing is ridiculous
Apart from the fact that an oil tanker or large cargo ship that you linked is sitting in water, which I'm not sure if you're aware, is actually quite heavy in large quantities which is what you'd need to displace in order to move the ship.
Plus the size comparison is nowhere near right. I'd say a frigate would be close to, oh I don't know, a tug boat? You know those things that are used to steer the big ships you linked into the harbour?
Thirdly if you actually got a military frigate and crashed it into the side of a civilian cargo transport going not just full speed for a naval frigate but full speed for a speed boat I'm pretty sure what would actually happen is this:
What actually happens
So if you'd prefer that to happen instead thats cool, I'll back that change.
Considering you said it takes only half a brain to figure all this out I do wonder how much brain you must have to ignore all these facts. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:41:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:And your in no way biased at all... The mechanic is rubish its that simple. Try bumping this > Big MofoWith this > tiny mofoAnybody with half a brain can figure out what would happen. Hell I dont even fly freighters and I think the whole thing is ridiculous.
I'm no astrophysicist, but I believe vessels in WATER behave slightly different than vessels in SPACE.
Keep comparing real life logistics to game mechanics in an internet spaceship flight simulator though, this can only end well. |
Ghazu
285
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:43:00 -
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MWD adds mass. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
5053
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:If you didn't fit your freighter to align and warp faster or whatever, then it's your problem. PSST: freighters can't be fit in any way. Well, shows how much of a noob I still am. I still stick to my other argument though. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
10
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:45:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Wodensun wrote:And your in no way biased at all... The mechanic is rubish its that simple. Try bumping this > Big MofoWith this > tiny mofoAnybody with half a brain can figure out what would happen. Hell I dont even fly freighters and I think the whole thing is ridiculous. I'm no astrophysicist, but I believe vessels in WATER behave slightly different than vessels in SPACE. Keep comparing real life logistics to game mechanics in an internet spaceship flight simulator though, this can only end well.
Yeah and EVE has the physics of what?.... Next. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10377
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:46:00 -
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GǪand anyway, bumping happens because both ships automatically panic-fire a burst of attitude-adjustment engine output to avoid the afore-mentioned nuclear fusion of the ships. If you turn that part of the pilot software off, you get the Malkalen incident. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
10
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:47:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Wodensun wrote:And your in no way biased at all... The mechanic is rubish its that simple. Try bumping this > Big MofoWith this > tiny mofoAnybody with half a brain can figure out what would happen. Hell I dont even fly freighters and I think the whole thing is ridiculous Apart from the fact that an oil tanker or large cargo ship that you linked is sitting in water, which I'm not sure if you're aware, is actually quite heavy in large quantities which is what you'd need to displace in order to move the ship. Plus the size comparison is nowhere near right. I'd say a frigate would be close to, oh I don't know, a tug boat? You know those things that are used to steer the big ships you linked into the harbour? Thirdly if you actually got a military frigate and crashed it into the side of a civilian cargo transport going not just full speed for a naval frigate but full speed for a speed boat I'm pretty sure what would actually happen is this: What actually happensSo if you'd prefer that to happen instead thats cool, I'll back that change. Considering you said it takes only half a brain to figure all this out I do wonder how much brain you must have to ignore all these facts.
Your a idiot.
Quote:On November 13, 2002, while the Prestige was carrying a 77,000 metric tons cargo of two different grades of heavy fuel oil, one of its twelve tanks burst during a storm off Galicia, in northwestern Spain. Fearing that the ship would sink, the captain called for help from Spanish rescue workers, with the expectation that the vessel would be brought into harbour. However, pressure from local authorities forced the captain to steer the embattled ship away from the coast and head northwest. Reportedly after pressure from the French government, the vessel was once again forced to change its course and head southwards into Portuguese waters in order to avoid endangering France's southern coast. Fearing for its own shore, the Portuguese authorities promptly ordered its navy to intercept the ailing vessel and prevent it from approaching further.
Next. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
142
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:52:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:TharOkha wrote:Lord Zim wrote:TharOkha wrote:Well if bumping is used in combat, i dont have a problem with that. But if it is used just for lulz, i think it is pure griefing (in case of Freighter bumping, as they are superslow to stop and realign). And what's happening here is not "pure griefing", the bumps are in preparation of combat. You are welcome to visit Jita. There are a lot of trolls that bumps freighters just for lulz, with no intention for combat. Pure griefing... Make an instaundock, and you'll avoid bumping into other ships and the station. I think you'll find a lot of the "bumps" are actually you bumping into someone else or the station because you're so slow you break the bump invulnerability timer, or whatever it's called.
...because i cannot distinguish random bumping outside undock area and pilots in stabbers bumping on purpose omg are all nullsec players so cocky as you are? GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:You know everyone talks about emergent game play until it effects them. I donGÇÖt consider exploiting flawed or lack of programming to be emergent game play. Bumping is nothing more than taking advantage of poor programming to allow miner griefing and freighter ganking.
GǪexcept, of course, that there is no exploitation or griefing involved, and that ganking is allowed regardless. It's usibf the tools at your disposal GÇö emergent sandbox behaviour at its finest. HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Force=massxacceleration f=ma simple physics
GǪexcept he's takling about energy. Also, force isn't a good perspective to use. You want impulse and momentum instead.
Also because they cant call it for what it is doesnt change what it is. They wont call it griefing or exploit because then they would have to fix it. Call it sand box or call it for what it really is doesnt matter to me because it is what it is and I cant change it. Emergent game play no..sandbox? not even close. Flaw? yes |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
588
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand anyway, bumping happens because both ships automatically panic-fire a burst of attitude-adjustment engine output to avoid the afore-mentioned nuclear fusion of the ships. If you turn that part of the pilot software off, you get the Malkalen incident.
I thought the Malkalen incident was, according to the book, a hack executed on the station's shield system while the Nyx simultaneously disengaged it's own shield safety over rides, thus allowing it to face plant into the station?
Even if you turned that software off, the shields still prevent the collision from happening.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1952
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:19:00 -
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Nerd alert!!!
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
5064
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:29:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand anyway, bumping happens because both ships automatically panic-fire a burst of attitude-adjustment engine output to avoid the afore-mentioned nuclear fusion of the ships. If you turn that part of the pilot software off, you get the Malkalen incident. I thought the Malkalen incident was, according to the book, a hack executed on the station's shield system while the Nyx simultaneously disengaged it's own shield safety over rides, thus allowing it to face plant into the station? Even if you turned that software off, the shields still prevent the collision from happening. I really need to pick up those books. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10377
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:32:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Momentum is related to force. GǪbut it's not the same thing. If you're going to argue using physics, use the right bits.
Quote:Also because they cant call it for what it is doesnt change what it is. A legitimate use of game mechanics, you mean? No, that's pretty much exactly what they're calling it. It's not griefing because it's just a method, not a malicious intent; it's not an exploit because it doesn't exploit any bugs.
Anslo wrote:Even if you turned that software off, the shields still prevent the collision from happening. Nah, the shields would just absorb the energy released by the collision GÇö upwards of 15 TJ. Not even a third as much as the damage a Stabber would do, granted, but still enough to punch a sizeable hole in pretty much anything. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Gary Bell
Hard Knocks Inc.
22
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:49:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10377
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:54:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened Sometimes, the loot fairy is a very kind woman.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10716
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:55:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened The Darwin award of the week goes to.......
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
104
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:58:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened
*Moist* |
Alara IonStorm
3546
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:59:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened It was pregnant with 8 kids you monsters.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10377
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:03:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened It was pregnant with 8 kids you monsters. Gotta put'em down before they breed, don't'cha know. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2895
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:03:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:
That one keeled over because it came to close to shore and hit the rocks... Try harder.
The rock wasnt even moving!
Just think of how much damage something the size of that rock going 2000+ m/s will do... |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
589
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Anslo wrote:Even if you turned that software off, the shields still prevent the collision from happening. Nah, the shields would just absorb the energy released by the collision GÇö upwards of 15 TJ. Not even a third as much as the damage a Stabber would do, granted, but still enough to punch a sizeable hole in pretty much anything.
I dunno man, I've bounced a carrier or two off a station plenty of times, and they never punched a hole in anything. They just bounced off.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2895
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:16:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
I dunno man, I've bounced a carrier or two off a station plenty of times, and they never punched a hole in anything. They just bounced off.
Thats a mix of the sheilds, the liquid between the ships being compressed, and emergency thrusters. |
Coreola
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
3
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:19:00 -
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Eh, I tried bumping Chribba's veldnaught with my MWD Rifter the other day. Didn't move a lot, but enough to delay his warp! Jump, jump, jump. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
142
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:21:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened
what's sad is all these freighter pilots will continue to *****, whine, and moan until CCP makes it so they cant be bumped. but the real problem is they are a bunch of ******* idiots who shouldnt be transporting that much **** in the first place. /facepalm |
Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
11
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:21:00 -
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So which ISD is silently deleting posts?
maybe next time have the sense to make a edit or couldnt you find the button? |
Harland White
Circle of Fortune
19
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:22:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:I am dealing with it... by questioning it :) I'm sure there are many good reasons why this works as intended but surely there is another side aswell? That's why it's a debate. No, there isn't another side. The only reason to remove the ability to bump freighters would be to make highsec safer. However, the idea that highsec should be safer has been debunked and is only a fringe viewpoint now. Serious observers agree that highsec risk:reward is out of balance because there's too much reward for too little risk in highsec.
Big fat lie, pretending like it's legit. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
142
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:37:00 -
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Casirio wrote:Gary Bell wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Yep.. that happened what's sad is all these freighter pilots will continue to *****, whine, and moan until CCP makes it so they cant be bumped. but the real problem is they are a bunch of ******* idiots who shouldnt be transporting that much **** in the first place. /facepalm
Please, dont lump together all freighter pilots in one basket. Some of them are dumb (constantly ganked in Uedema or Nijara like this one ) but some of them are just againist random lulz freighter bumping. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
51
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Posted - 2012.11.20 18:39:00 -
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ABLOO MY FREIGHTER ABLOO ABLOO.
Learn to use the search function, don't make thread 64,387 about this topic. Yes, the ebil goosn umpire is wiolencing your boat. |
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