Either you aren't reading or you are ignoring what I wrote. Fair enough, you don't agree with my argument that 5 years of something worked. Most won't see the change until they lose their freighter. Most won't see the danger until it's too late. Most will use experience to guide their decision.

You don't agree with me. We get it.

While I am fine with blowing up ships (keeps my freighter building characters pulling in the PLEX), there is something that irks me here.

That is the underlying assumption that you are more likely to lose your freighter if you are AFK. These things take so long to aline that it doesn't matter if you are at the keyboard or not. If you are targeted, you will die. Period.

While I have no problem with making a bundle selling these things, I am somewhat concerned that due to the ease with which they can be destroyed, people will simply stop flying them. Then I start losing ISK.

Freighters have always been fair game to kill for a valuable cargo, but of late that are being blown up because they can be blown up at minimal cost for maximum tears. Nothing wrong with that in theory. However, as it happens more often, less will fly them and players will start to find other things to occupy their game time. Including finding other games to play.

This is not good for me. Not good for CCP and not good for people who read blogs before signing up for a sub. It's a balancing act. When the scales tip too far one way changes are sure to follow. It's happened before and it will happen again. It only takes a few asshats that don't care if this game survives to tip that balance. The same asshats that sit on the forum justifying their game style all day while hanging on a gate. I like to think CCP is smart enough to not cave to the vocal minority, but I have to wonder sometimes.

Mr Epeen

If only there was some way to make freighters get into warp quicker

you couldn't possibly be hinting at webs, could you?

you couldn't possibly be hinting at webs, could you?

While I am fine with blowing up ships (keeps my freighter building characters pulling in the PLEX), there is something that irks me here.

That is the underlying assumption that you are more likely to lose your freighter if you are AFK. These things take so long to aline that it doesn't matter if you are at the keyboard or not. If you are targeted, you will die. Period.

While I have no problem with making a bundle selling these things, I am somewhat concerned that due to the ease with which they can be destroyed, people will simply stop flying them. Then I start losing ISK.

Freighters have always been fair game to kill for a valuable cargo, but of late that are being blown up because they can be blown up at minimal cost for maximum tears. Nothing wrong with that in theory. However, as it happens more often, less will fly them and players will start to find other things to occupy their game time. Including finding other games to play.

This is not good for me. Not good for CCP and not good for people who read blogs before signing up for a sub. It's a balancing act. When the scales tip too far one way changes are sure to follow. It's happened before and it will happen again. It only takes a few asshats that don't care if this game survives to tip that balance. The same asshats that sit on the forum justifying their game style all day while hanging on a gate. I like to think CCP is smart enough to not cave to the vocal minority, but I have to wonder sometimes.

Mr Epeen

Is it too late to add my valuable input?

Freighters tank just fine. Its the pilots stuffing 80+ billion into their holds that are the problem.

Links please.

Mr Epeen

Funny thing, I know of corporations who fly freighters around highsec all day every day, and by playing it safe minimize the risks and losses they incur doing it.

It only takes one frig to slingshot a freighter. Is using 2 characters to ensure you safety worth the 80 billion isk you stupidly loaded into yours?

From a practical stand point this is good advice.
50 plex would have paid to keep a web alt in free EVE for 4 years.

I don't think it's healthy EVE that everyone should be required to run multiple accounts but if that's the kind of game CCP want to push, I guess we will see where it ends up.

Yes.

This is the equivilent of playing Hello Kitty Online and wondering, "wheres all the pvpers? is this all HKO is about? just minigames and stuff?"

You've chosen to play a hardcore pvp mmo, and wonder why theres so much pvp.

From a practical stand point this is good advice.
50 plex would have paid to keep a web alt in free EVE for 4 years.

I don't think it's healthy EVE that everyone should be required to run multiple accounts but if that's the kind of game CCP want to push, I guess we will see where it ends up.

+1

I's just the "carebear" way. Most MMOs pamper the players (probably why most fail), but for some reason some people who don't like pvp or sandboxes end up in games like this and Darkfall ect ect, even though there are litterally thousands of thempark games out therem, some with space ships.

You're right, you don't see it in reverse, you don't see PVP'rs in PVE centered games screaming for more pvp. "Carebearism" is like a cancer, spreading into places and strangling off everything in it's path...trammel style.

I have to disagree with this. In my experience, most MMOs resort to fascist forum policies and prefer leveling bans to listening to constructive criticism. while picking a few select favorites who push a certain ideology that they maybe happen to agree with, and let have the run of the place, while black-marking and banning anyone who disagrees with them after labeling them trols and flamers.

That's one reason I've never stayed long in most other MMOs. Also, likely the reason why most other MMOs fail so spectacularly in their first year of release, and then decline to no more than a small number of players who follow and agree with that ideology while licking the boots of those few individuals so avidly.

I have to disagree with this. In my experience, most MMOs resort to fascist forum policies and prefer leveling bans to listening to constructive criticism. while picking a few select favorites who push a certain ideology that they maybe happen to agree with, and let have the run of the place, while black-marking and banning anyone who disagrees with them after labeling them trols and flamers.

That's one reason I've never stayed long in most other MMOs. Also, likely the reason why most other MMOs fail so spectacularly in their first year of release, and then decline to no more than a small number of players who follow and agree with that ideology while licking the boots of those few individuals so avidly.

oh you thought the game was about being ~honourable~? well, it's not

Somebody should pod you just for being so obtuse.

Truthfully, you can be as honorable or dishonorable as you like = player choice. Just don't expect either to be rewarded; or expect one to be rewarded more than the other.

Sociopaths and Belligerent Undesirable I have been told.

People with Morals try to negotiate a peaceful solution and coexist on a map together.

what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back?

The reason that they do it basic human psychology. It is the classic "pecking order." You can see in other species as well. For example, let us say that you have three cats in a house. A big cat, a medium sized cat, and a tiny cat. The big swats at the medium sized cat. The medium sized cat does not fight back, however, because he knows that he can not win. Instead he goes over and swats the tiny cat to make himself feel empowered again.

Humans are no different and, sadly, no better in this regard. When some sad person gets yelled at by their boss they can not fight back. So the come home, log into EvE, and gank a helpless miner. Or their mother tells them to do household chores and the self-entitled little twit feels that this is some sort of cosmic injustice that must be avenged, but he obviously is not about to stand up for himself in real life, so again he logs onto EvE and goes to look for an unarmed freighter to prey upon.

The "big cats" in this picture of EvE would be the nullsec alliances with their fleets of titans and capital ships, able to cyno in giant blobs to crush any opposition faster than lag itself. The "tiny cats" are the miners, freighters, and other "carebare" types. The gankers, pirates and whatnot are the "middle cats." They are not big enough, skilled enough, or strong enough to take on the major players in the harsh world of PvP. So instead they seek out those even weaker than themselves to prey upon. A cheap self-delusional affirmation of power over someone else designed to make them feel better & distract them from their own weakness & inability to play in the "big cat" league.