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Lashauna Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:24:00 - [1] - Quote i am not here to shed noob tears or anything of that matter, i just want an answer to a question... why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first? even if your ship have no defense or offense you are targeted and and quickly destroyed and usually by 2+ players... what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? for killboard stats? but how can your killboard look "good" if it is full of defenseless ships? is this all EVE is about? please note: i would prefer constructive responses, otherwise do not waste both of our times
Vanell Draeko IDEON ANDRON HELL4S 5	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:26:00 - [2] - Quote ISK If your ship has no defence or offence modules must have other modules that worth something so...
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5568	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:28:00 - [3] - Quote oh you thought the game was about being ~honourable~? well, it's not ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 1575	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:29:00 - [4] - Quote basically, explosions are pretty TK is recruiting
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 161	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:31:00 - [5] - Quote What part of "cold, harsh universe" you don't understand? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 361	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:31:00 - [6] - Quote Honour is irrelevant to most people. Killmails are relevant to some people. Gain is relevant to most people. So a defenceless ship is almost always worth killing to most people, given that there is always at least the chance of gain plus a killmail. Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain.
admiral root Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis 152	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:32:00 - [7] - Quote Lashauna wrote: is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first? Yes. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Gotch Urarse 0	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:32:00 - [8] - Quote Should 'buyer beware' be added to the long list of rules people struggle with? - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose - .....
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 161	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:36:00 - [9] - Quote Doddy wrote: Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain. It is an important service to save power consumption on gates. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Gotch Urarse 0	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:40:00 - [10] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Doddy wrote: Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain. It is an important service to save power consumption on gates. I'll add that it provides the service of suggesting people to better fit their ships. ... says the guy who has been offered some 'suggested' fitting time a bit.
Wolvun Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 66	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:43:00 - [11] - Quote Lashauna wrote: i am not here to shed noob tears or anything of that matter Yet your tears flow.
baltec1 Bat Country 2893	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:46:00 - [12] - Quote We are simply doing what people have done since at least the 19th Dynasty of the Egyptian Kingdom in the late Bronze age.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 85	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:47:00 - [13] - Quote Doddy wrote: Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain. Implants showing on KMs says otherwise :)
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 284	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:49:00 - [14] - Quote EVE is a 'blow stuff up' game. Everything about the game requires ships to be blown up. There are a million reasons why things are the way they are right now in this game. I'm not sure it can be fixed.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 192	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:50:00 - [15] - Quote Lashauna wrote: why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? Because they can. No other reason needed. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Chuc Morris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:52:00 - [16] - Quote admiral root wrote: Lashauna wrote: is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first? Yes. Space ships FPS best FPS.
C DeLeon Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 49	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:03:00 - [17] - Quote Try to see the bigger picture. If nobody would want to shoot nobody down, trying to survive in the deepwater wouldn't be thrilling. Eve is like a zombie survival game except the zombies are the other players (braaaaaaainimplants :D). In other MMOs winning is the most exciting thing. In EvE it's the survival.
Alara IonStorm 3538	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:08:00 - [18] - Quote Honor is not a thing that matters in EVE, you can have and it is valuable to who trusts you and your own sense of what is right and wrong but it is absolutely critical to understand that it has 0 relevance to other people who have their own scale of what they do. Some people play this game as hero's, some villains, some neutral and some it is all business. Some are petty thugs and extortionist, others are syndicates and warlords. Whatever the case the reality is that these people exist and precaution is key. Precaution against economic attacks. * Tank your Ship. My Haulers go out with 50 Million ISK per 10K EHP and and I don't leave slots unfit that can help me. I buy different ships for Cargo Capacity and Tank depending the value per m3 of Cargo * Read Contracts, read every word and check every item. * If something is small and very valuable it goes in a Maller or Drake instead of a stuffed Hauler and is sent separate like 200mil ISK Implants. * If I do not have the Tank to Cargo Ratio needed I hire someone who does this professionally. Precaution against random attacks. * Wrap your Pod. Fitting a ship around your pod is a big deal, a Shuttle T1 Frigate or Rookie Ship can Pop but nothing of value is lost. Clone Costs and what you put in your head is. * Tank your Ship as best you can. Precaution in General. * I keep sizable amount of my assets either liquid or invested in items in safe stations, so when I undock if I am a victim that day I can afford the loss comfortably. * I always have a back up or two to something important. A Mission Ship, PvP Boat, Hauler or Barge I either have more or more ready to go. * Keep your savings on a same account alt. A miss click in the market or on a contract and you are covered. Still be ever vigilant making sure that doesn't happen but when it does you don't break the bank by draining everything. EVE isn't hard, the best analogy is this to survival. Don't walk around with a $1000 in Bills, Keep most of your Assets in the Bank and wear a Seat Belt. You may get knocked down but never knocked out. Sure you can not do some of that but that is Risk and while Risk can be profitable there is a chance of it going sideways so be prepared. Losing is never a non option.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 45	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:16:00 - [19] - Quote Lashauna wrote: i am not here to shed noob tears or anything of that matter, i just want an answer to a question... why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first? even if your ship have no defense or offense you are targeted and and quickly destroyed and usually by 2+ players... what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? for killboard stats? but how can your killboard look "good" if it is full of defenseless ships? is this all EVE is about? please note: i would prefer constructive responses, otherwise do not waste both of our times Hono(u)r has nothing to do with EVE. Also honour is completely subjective. Trust and integrity on the contrary are very important in this game. When flying an industrial ship (hauler, salvager, mining barge, exhumer, orca), always make sure you've fit a proper tank to make you a less attractive and if possible unprofitable target. Regularly check your surroundings and develop situational awareness. And most important: Do not fly, what you cannot afford to lose. Even when starting out, my rule no.1 was, to always have at least one spare hull and fit in the hangar before undocking. P.S.: Nothing is more entertaining than ganker tears in local when said ganker(s) didn't scout the target properly .
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 702	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:32:00 - [20] - Quote Lashauna wrote: what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? See, this is where your problem is. The way PvP works in Eve leaves very little room for anything usually considered honourable. Getting your opponent to engage you and then call in friends is almost always the best way to do things. If you think that's not honourable then consider the alternative, two people engage 1 vs 1 using the same ship. The one with the more skillpoints has the "unfair advantage", so it's still not fair. You can PvP against greater numbers but it means catching them in a situation where they are basically useless for example damp fleets kiting at range with a long point, or SB squads firing of bombs and then buggering off before they can be locked, or sniper alpha ships killing a few ships and then warping at distance again. Basically, there is no fair in Eve. To me honourable is just being nice despite how or who your blowing up. I say gf even after I have been totally ganked. Just to be a good sport. Because it works that way with most PvP, the same kind of approach is generalised against all ships. If a hauler gets killed, its because they have put themselves in a situation in which they are likely to get killed (most of the time). Also, killing a hauler can mean lots of ISK if you happen to kill the right one. Yesterday the most amusing thing happened. Some drake was camping a gate in Gonditsa and has just shot at and destroyed an Indy ship coming through, so we jumped through shortly after and ganked him. At which point he claimed what we did was unfair because he had gate-gun fire and was alone (even though that system had 6 people in his corp, active and in PvP ships in space). Now obviously this guy is just a tool, but it's easy to see things as unfair everywhere, but if you dont look at it like that you'll enjoy Eve more. TL:DR All is fair in love, war and Eve. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5151	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:45:00 - [21] - Quote Lashauna wrote: i am not here to shed noob tears or anything of that matter, i just want an answer to a question... why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first? even if your ship have no defense or offense you are targeted and and quickly destroyed and usually by 2+ players... what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? for killboard stats? but how can your killboard look "good" if it is full of defenseless ships? is this all EVE is about? please note: i would prefer constructive responses, otherwise do not waste both of our times It's not what EVE is "all" about, but it's a very significant part of it. People don't attack "defenseless" ships for "honour". They do it for the money. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 45	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:46:00 - [22] - Quote Posting links to killmails is not allowed. - CCP Eterne
SaKoil Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:46:00 - [23] - Quote Lashauna wrote: noob tears even if your ship have no defense or offense Why does your ship have no offense or defense?
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 488	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:50:00 - [24] - Quote Quote: honour (US, honor) [-ê+Æn+Ö] n 1. personal integrity; allegiance to moral principles 2. fame or glory 3. (often plural) great respect, regard, esteem, etc., or an outward sign of this 4. (often plural) high or noble rank Honour is a subjective thing. For one person honour may not be attacking the weak. For another it might be letting the weak know before you attack them. For others it might be robbing the rich of their ill gotten gains by attacking their unprotected frighters full of goods and distributing it amoung the space poor. TL;DR lol honour "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Harland White Circle of Fortune 18	Posted - 2012.11.20 13:12:00 - [25] - Quote To the OP, it's more a thing of parenting. It depends on how many of the players in EVE were raised, and honestly, 95% of players in EVE were not raised. At all. There is a severe lack of proper parenting in the civilized world today, and it produces some pretty nasty offspring (much of the EVE Online population is a good example) that is very detrimental to a normal society. Don't waste your time trying to explain civility or kindness to any of them---it goes completely over their heads because they weren't raised to cherish any good values like that. I'd recommend doing what some of the folks in this thread have recommended, and tank out your haulers and be very cautious. EVE is a huge attractive playground for the animals without parents, that's why it's so full of them. Inb4 wardecs and rage replies from people I touched a nerve in.
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 252	Posted - 2012.11.20 13:30:00 - [26] - Quote We do it for threads exactly like this. Its a pvp game, dont like the pvp the way it is. ** off somewhere else ***. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance 118	Posted - 2012.11.20 13:32:00 - [27] - Quote I think TC means non-combat oriented ships like Industrials and Shuttles. You know, those things that are sometimes chock full of stuff or Blueprints? There is no honour to be gained in the eyes of your opponent. The only honour that matters is that between you and your ingame friends. Eve Honour = not screwing other people over, keeping your word, being a trustworthy person. Sharing the loot from that defenseless Industrial equally. Keeping your contracts clean and fair. Keeping local smacktalk witty and respectfull. There are also exceptions. Yesterday for example, I warped off from an very close 1vs1 in hopes of leaving my opponent with a sliver of struct. It worked, so the pilot remained in local, we had a good laugh / chat and the guy ended up applying for my corporation. Since I didn't blew up his ship (only demonstrated that I could), we quickly repaired our frigs and went roaming together. Forms of emergent gameplay as described above are very hard for a defenseless ship. It's not exactly suitable for small gang / solo pvp. For anyone in a T1 frig or destroyer, it's traffic either to be ignored or shot down. In fact, shooting that indy might very well be the only form of interaction (apart from chatting) that's possible between the two. In my eyes, the Indy is just as focussed on PvP as the frigate pilot (he undocked, didn't he?), but it's simply his aim to prevent being shot in the first place and sneak past his enemies, maybe even use a cloak. Should he succeed, he wins at PvP. Hauling 50 mil of stuff out of lowsec isn't just logistics. It's a PvP victory if you think about it.
Ra Jackson CRIMINALS IN ACTION Black Legion. 48	Posted - 2012.11.20 13:40:00 - [28] - Quote Harland White wrote: To the OP, it's more a thing of parenting. It depends on how many of the players in EVE were raised, and honestly, 95% of players in EVE were not raised. At all. There is a severe lack of proper parenting in the civilized world today, and it produces some pretty nasty offspring (much of the EVE Online population is a good example) that is very detrimental to a normal society. Don't waste your time trying to explain civility or kindness to any of them---it goes completely over their heads because they weren't raised to cherish any good values like that. I'd recommend doing what some of the folks in this thread have recommended, and tank out your haulers and be very cautious. EVE is a huge attractive playground for the animals without parents, that's why it's so full of them. Inb4 wardecs and rage replies from people I touched a nerve in. Not sure if serious, but people trying to compare real life values with values in a VIDEOGAME scare the crap out of me
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2012.11.20 13:47:00 - [29] - Quote Basically, OP, people in EVE will kill whatever they can catch that isn't their friend in the lawless areas of EVE, and gank unsuspecting idiots carrying enough valuables to make it profitable in the policed areas of EVE. In short, don't be an idiot and don't get caught.
Shederov Blood Wrecketeers 258	Posted - 2012.11.20 13:47:00 - [30] - Quote Why do Battlefield and CoD players just want to shoot each other?

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