This change from the new Dec 4th patch has some serious implications to the lowsec 1v1 and small gang lifestyles in some regions, and being a resident of this community I'd like to point out an unfortunate side effect of this change....

I am a bit ambivalent about the pvp 'arena' that you say those static plexes have become. Yes ship restrictions. On the other hand, i am pretty sure that for instance you would see to get away if you noticed a gang of frigates coming in. So, in a way you could just as well hang out at a belt or in one of the landmark beacons and work your dscan to decide if you want to take a fight or not - or just fleet the other guy and battle in a safespot. I did choose the word 'arena' there, and i think that is indeed partly what you want. It is also a very un-EVE-ish concept, just like instanced complexes would be.

Ridiculous change!

Basically, these 2/10 are pretty much the most successful PvP feature in all of low-sec. The mechanic was used as a template poorly for faction warfare. Just stupid and misguided to get rid of these. It is not as if 'farming' them is all that profitable in low-sec. 25 million isk/hour is probably about all you can get.

I remember the days when you could find fights at belts. Now we won't even be able to get fights at these sites.

Please give this game a chance to survive!

LM

Nice write up but I think maybe I'm missing something here.

You say you go to low security to do PvP yet you basically are doing it in a way that gives you a somewhat secure environment, dictating or limiting the type of ship class allowed while still being able to gain valuable loot with relative ease.

Also what's to stop you from having an alt cloak/camp the 1st room to get the key, thus preventing anyone else the chance to even get to the last room / Overseer.

I might be inclined to agree about keeping the 1/10's static since they are labeled as beginner mode.

Anyway, I'm more inclined to say no. Since you're looking for a secure arena with special ship class restrictions, should just make a proposal for that, or add support to an already existing proposal..

By the way, proposal's are posted in The Assemble Hall.


DMC

(...) We are voicing our concerns about change that came out of the blue, was placed in patch notes without any kind of explanation and suppose to fix farming problem in hisec and most important - it is an example of blanket fix without taking into consideration of all effects it will have OUTSIDE of hisec. (...)

It was most likely due to an exploit with the Gurista DED 2/10. Basically it allowed someone inside the second room to prevent the NPC in the first room (who drops the acceleration gate key) from respawning, and thus preventing anyone else from getting inside until next DT.

Related link here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=173635

Take the following with tongue in cheek a bit but is it really THAT hard to scan down the system your beloved static is in and bookmark the sites than can be interesting for explorers? Like a 5/10 DED or a Radar site?

All you have to do then is wait until you see probes on DScan. Use your own Dscan to see which site the explorer is in and go right after him. Hell you can even camp the warp in gate on DED sites if you want. No combat scanner probes that a player could see involved.

Problem is that we are not using static plexes to hunt explorers, we are using them to fight other pvpers.

Maybe you should lose more than one crapfitted caracal before you will go and open your mouth on a subject you know nothing about.

Also, do your homework. Obvious alt is obvious.

So post with your main. Or is he busy blapping titans in big nullsec alliance as they all are?

Problem is that we are not using static plexes to hunt explorers, we are using them to fight other pvpers.

All I hear so far is "whaaa, somebody stole my candy".

I can clearly see suggestions in the op, also, you can always come with alternatives yourself rather than coming with the blame game.

The 1/10 and 2/10 sites should have been made to despawn and not respawn if a room were occupied. They should also have been made to respawn in random places within the system.

So you guys are upset that you may lose a way for you to sit around doing nothing until you can gank someone?


Here let me say a few things that people like you are saying to people like me who don't like the drone changes.



My tear jar is overflowing with tears.

Maybe you should adapt herp derp.

Speaking of which, how common are people finding these DED 1/10 and 2/10 now that they're scannable?

Personally I haven't found any myself yet

Scanner users already have far too much content. Wormholes, complexes, archaology, hacking, and also an enhanced way to PVP (warp in using combat scanner probes) are all unique to the scanning profession. Why give scanners even more content? There are lots of play styles that need additional content before giving scanners even *more* content.

Scanner users already have far too much content. Wormholes, complexes, archaology, hacking, and also an enhanced way to PVP (warp in using combat scanner probes) are all unique to the scanning profession. Why give scanners even more content? There are lots of play styles that need additional content before giving scanners even *more* content.

Scanner users already have far too much content. Wormholes, complexes, archaology, hacking, and also an enhanced way to PVP (warp in using combat scanner probes) are all unique to the scanning profession. Why give scanners even more content? There are lots of play styles that need additional content before giving scanners even *more* content.

1, make it so that all rooms of the complex (except the warp in and first room) will not allow people to activate cloaks

I am not a PVP player and I will never be a PVP player.

Well, in the 3 weeks since DED 1/10 and 2/10 have gone static, I've only seen one DED 1/10 myself, and I've heard of less than 5 people finding them (this while lurking in the exploration channels in game). IMHO they're way rare than they should be: DED 1/10 should be more common than Lookouts and 3/10 and 4/10s.

I hope that when everyone at CCP is back from leave, they'll do some number crunching and look at the amount of times each site is (found and) run.

I'm missing something here.

gain valuable loot with relative ease.

wow you do cry hard don't you?

Actually to the relief of everyone...I am dropping from the forum on this topic....I will wait and hopefully CCP will correct the situation in some way that makes sense to people who actually want to play.

so you are crying because low sec plex's were removed namely 1/2 of 10's as you used them for pvp???

lol

Look at you crying about all the people crying. Stop being so mad dude. Here is a tissue for your tears that you a crying because you're a cry baby.

so you are crying because low sec plex's were removed namely 1/2 of 10's as you used them for pvp???

lol

Botters crying about the removal of static PLEX's, Good job CCP.
Yet again good job CCP.

Speaking of which, how common are people finding these DED 1/10 and 2/10 now that they're scannable?

Personally I haven't found any myself yet

The prices are so high because the sites are so rare, I wouldn't laugh at people if they said something was broken with their spawns. :(

Since the 1/10 DED sites are listed as 'Beginner' sites, I see no problem if those remain static, as long as they don't drop any Faction loot. They can still drop the Overseer boxes, Pirate Tags and various Tech 1 loot. All other DED sites 2/10 and up should remain with the exploration probing mechanic.

That will prevent the farming of Faction / Deadspace loot while still allowing Low Sec Frigate PvP's their combat arena as well as new players in High Sec a chance to experience how DED Complexes actually work.


DMC

But making them statics on the overview doesn't teach beginner explorers anything about exploration :/ Currently they're as hard to scan down as Hideouts, at the most I'd say, make them as easy to scan down as the tutorial sites.

As for the spawn rates, they're super rare. I scanned 2 entire regions on the test server and only found one DED 1/10 and no DED 2/10, but plenty of the 3/10 and 4/10 so... random is random, but make of that what you will :)

Not having ded space loot in a ded also wouldn't teach beginners where to find the cheese.

The c-type adaptive nano plate was a kinda popular item for cpu troublesome pvp fits (megathron etc), but its getting on doubled in price now, as were the c-type frigate reps and mwds.

That fits with what I've seen. After they added the "missing" 2/10s, I found one of each, and then never again, and I've hit 50+ of every other type of sig since. I've never seen a 1/10 as an explorable sig.

And where would small c-type stuff come from? Escalations?

But making them statics on the overview doesn't teach beginner explorers anything about exploration :/ Currently they're as hard to scan down as Hideouts, at the most I'd say, make them as easy to scan down as the tutorial sites.

As for the spawn rates, they're super rare. I scanned 2 entire regions on the test server and only found one DED 1/10 and no DED 2/10, but plenty of the 3/10 and 4/10 so... random is random, but make of that what you will :)

+1

It was a really dumb idea getting rid of them in lowsec.

No, it wasn't about farming, the loot was irregular and not really that great (would just about pay for the lost frigs). As for camping, I never saw too much old meanie camping, and if i did it's not as much a problem as i consider gate camping to be.

What the statics sites were good for was an easy and cheep way to get into pvp, also a fun way of doing it. Also it, as far a DED 1/10 are concerned, it let people play with their frigs, which was a lot of fun.

Since thechange i rearly see anyone flying frigs in lowsec (don't see that many people in low sec either), nor have i found any of the missing sites in exploration.

A

Agreed removal in losec was a dumb idea. Highsec removal was and should have always been removed.

Campers trying to suck up the loots caused the complaints that the intent of the sites could not be realized.

10 levels of difficulty.

All these experienced players saying how they should not have existed in h-sec.

The only thing I am getting from all the convos is that people liked when a noob would go into l-sec to try to run a 1 or 2 of 10 site because they were easy ganks.

The only reason for anyone to not want them in h-sec is because it would force new players to go into l-sec if they wanted even a chance at the potential payout.

1 and 2 of 10 weere supposed to be so people can learn the mechanics of the game.

Once they got some basic skill and understanding they would then venture out into l-sec and beyond.

Leave the noobs alone and go kill yourselves. Or is that proving more difficult now that there are no reasons for a noob to go into l-sec.

Grow a pair and learn to fight if you want statics. A top end frigate or destroyer is within reach for new players and putting them in contact with us will teach them how to fight. No one cares about your carebear whining...harden up or go shoot rocks.

No one is advocating removing them from the high sec exploration system. That's where they logically belong in high sec because of the bots in the statics players can't deal with easily on our own.

I have successfully scanned some sites down, but am getting my ass handed to me everytime I go in.

Maybe I'm just too new to beat this. My question is.

Is there a way to determine what a DED 1 or DED 2 site is?

Assuming a DED 2 is harder that DED1. I cannot fit many T2 level weapons yet but getting close... and ansy to get in there and grab this stuf.

BTW, the place that I've scanned down twice is called Haunted Yard.

One of the NPC's keeps draining my cap and I cannot warp out.

We'd alll recognise them by name, and would even have a fair idea before the sig finishes scanning to be honest.
However when you warp to a ded plex it puts a popup onscreen with the rating.

Haunted yard is an unrated rogue drone complex of extremely low popularity because of its low payouts.

You could easily beat the 1/10s if you can find them, and they offer fun loot.

In practice what you'll actuallyl find is probably the local pirates hideout sigs, which offer a moderate chance of an escalation that will give you a roll at the same loot table - just kill and loot the commander if he spawns, and the most important building, usually an armory or something.