I know this module was supposed to be passive from the beginning, and now with the safe logoff it really needs to happen. If you have the DC active, you basically have a 30-60 sec logoff because it has such a long cycle time.

Consequences vOv

Yeah, one that should not have been there to begin with.

I know this module was supposed to be passive from the beginning, and now with the safe logoff it really needs to happen. If you have the DC active, you basically have a 30-60 sec logoff because it has such a long cycle time.

Consequences vOv

People don't see the problem with DC being an active module? Really?

People don't see the problem with DC being an active module? Really?

Back in the day before I became a programmer with cynical outlook on live I used to be game designer and was actually involved when we changed the functionality of damage controls. This was back in the day when TomB and Hammerhead were mostly doing the balancing and I was their intern math *****.

Now we decided that we'd want the damage control to be a really powerful defensive module but we didn't want people to just fill up their lows with it making all other defensive mods obsolete so we also decided that you could only fit one at a time. At that point we didn't really have the luxury of programming time and we did not have any tools to create a module where only one could be fitted. We did however have a functionality where we could only activate x module at a time so we decided that the damage control would have to be activated but have really low cap need.

So there you have it, the reason dc's use cap in an overly long story

Yeah but the dc being active adds only good things to the game.

How so?

If the module was meant to be passive, it'd be passive. But it's not.

It was supposed to, but was made active because of ****** code and lack of time.

It was supposed to, but was made active because of ****** code and lack of time.

And they've obviously left it that way for good reasons.

And they've obviously left it that way for good reasons.

I would be curious to know these good reasons.

DC should be passive IMO.

Why? Passive DC makes literally no sense.

it is far better that the DC is active rather than passive for a vast number of reasons, its an immensely powerful defensive module and being required to actually turn it on is a tiny price to pay

Vast numbers he says. List them, he does not.

Vast numbers he says. List them, he does not.

And yet your sole reason for making them passive is because you either can't remember or are too lazy to turn it off (along with any other modules you may be running) before you log off.

Really?!?

the fact that it boosts resistances across the board, for instance

Except that it's a module you literally never want to turn off, you have to turn it on every damn time you jump, it's more or less impossible to shut if off with neuts because of 1 cap use and like I quoted, it was supposed to be passive to begin with. Oh and it makes it possible to see EHP in station

everyone wanting it passive is an empire afker, basically

read my post 4 post up maybe?

Yes. So does every other passive hardener, and even active ones with skills too. Your point being?

I read them, so did everyone else. "Most" of your reasons could be applied equally well to most active defensive modules in the game.

Look we are trying to be polite here (for a change) but this is more than a little ridiculous ... not to mention trivial.

I guess it's a matter of opinion. But by your definition of my definition(?), DC should have some resist applied to the ship when it is inactive?

I think it works perfectly well just as it is.

I think the simplist solution is simply to start remembering to turn it off when you plan to log off, instead of trying to make the game compensate for your forgetfulness.

Don't log off in space?

If you're in wh space, this is far from the biggest difficulty in your life.

then don't activate it until it's necessary?

You should have to take "some" steps to make your ship ready for a battle. Considering how important the module is to your ships survivability I would say it is a prime example of a module that SHOULD need to be activated.

You mean, like fitting the ship before undocking?

let's see

- ensuring that guns are loaded with ammo suitable for the range of the engagement
- turning hardeners on
- ensuring that any active tc/sebo/ewar are loaded with scripts suitable for the engagement
- making sure your falcon alt is nearby
- getting your boosting loki alt in place

If the module was meant to be passive, it'd be passive. But it's not.

At that point we didn't really have the luxury of programming time and we did not have any tools to create a module where only one could be fitted. We did however have a functionality where we could only activate x module at a time so we decided that the damage control would have to be activated but have really low cap need.

I take it reading was never your forte? See the following quote:

Now I'm sure Andski is scrambling trying to find a way to convince us Tuxford and the other programmers meant they wanted the DC to be an active module the whole time, but there is no way that is implied at all in what he said. It is implied they wanted it to be passive, but was impossible to program it that way at the time.

Now in no way am I for making the DC passive for the sake of logging purposes, but for the sanity of less clicking. The DC was never intended to be an active module so maybe now they can make it so. Also make the drone control unit passive. Now before you climb on top of our soap box and proclaim a passive DC will make supers impossible to kill consider the idea of passive DC not being allowed to be fit on capitals, but instead required to use a a different sized DC that uses as much cap as an active shield/armor hardener. Or maybe all damage controls functions as a passive module and when fit to capitals it is an active one. Magic! Lets also not forget about the opportunity to introduce faction, dead space and officer DCs.

So here is the opportunity to add a vast amount of flavor when it comes to the DC hull tanking department. Lets explore that I say.

Or turn it into a new skill for passive effectiveness Like passive ability of inactive shield hardeners.
Its Hull ability can be passive and starts out at 15% effectiveness at level 1 to 75% effective hull passive at lvl5
Keep its extra shield and armor resistance as active only.

Your issue is you DC
Your solution is you want your tank to remain on

Can I have this problem solved as well

My guns run out of ammo
My solution is to allow me to keep firing without ammo

Thanks!

Your issue is you DC
Your solution is you want your tank to remain on

Can I have this problem solved as well

My guns run out of ammo
My solution is to allow me to keep firing without ammo

Thanks!

Having active modules makes no difference to log off timer whatsoever ...... They only issues damage control being active has is a) you might forget to turn it on and b) it can get neuted off (very rare thanks to long cycle/tiny cap use). So basically its fine.

People don't see the problem with DC being an active module? Really?

Damage control really needs to be passive. I forget to turn it on every time I go PVP...

I now want laser / Photon Torpedos!!

Of course Tippia is opposed to making it passive so that can only mean there is some way to use it being active to be a jerk.

Now I'm sure Andski is scrambling trying to find a way to convince us Tuxford and the other programmers meant they wanted the DC to be an active module the whole time, but there is no way that is implied at all in what he said. It is implied they wanted it to be passive, but was impossible to program it that way at the time.

It's not so much that I forget it, it's more of an annoyance that I have to turn it on every time I jump. It's not like I want it to be off, ever. And it's not like it's gonna come off before I explicitly tell it to. So I see no reason it's not passive

I laugh about the guys saying that it is important to have this module active... Or others saying that pros are empire afkers...

I don't know about you, but for my part I have plenty of other interesting things to do in EVE rather than having to activate my DCU each time I jump through a wormhole / decloak / log. Seriously.

If you're considering that clicking on your DCU is an amazing activity that is a major contribution to the fun you have in EVE... Well.. You should consider choosing another career.

So, active hardeners, eccm, sensor boosters, tracking computers, these should all be passive as well then?

Damn that marlona and using actual facts.

I don't care one way or another, but a DC being passive would make sense.

I think there is a logical fallacy involved here. Grow up man.

How about we make all passive mods (ALL mods, shield extenders, etc etc) active, and they have a 30 sec timer and cost 1 cap. That must be great, yeah? You see the problem with this kind of arguing?

wtf you on?
you know it takes 60-120 seconds to disappear after logging off regardless of what you have or dont have turned on right?
and that's not counting any timers you may have.

I think there is a logical fallacy involved here.

How about we make all passive mods (ALL mods, shield extenders, etc etc) active, and they have a 30 sec timer and cost 1 cap. That must be great, yeah?

wtf you on?
you know it takes 60-120 seconds to disappear after logging off regardless of what you have or dont have turned on right?
and that's not counting any timers you may have.

wtf you on?
you know it takes 60-120 seconds to disappear after logging off regardless of what you have or dont have turned on right?
and that's not counting any timers you may have.

Not really. ECCM, hardeners, sebos, TCs and the like all match those reasons for why you want DCs to be passive: they're an annoyance to turn on every time; it's not like there's a good reason to have them off.

No. They all have penalties, limitations, and requirements that make up for their passive status. So really, the question should rather be: if the DC was made passive, how do you propose to nerf it to make up for this improvement?

Not really. ECCM, hardeners, sebos, TCs and the like all match those reasons for why you want DCs to be passive: they're an annoyance to turn on every time; it's not like there's a good reason to have them off. So why should they stay active and not DCs?

No. They all have penalties, limitations, and requirements that make up for their passive status. So really, the question should rather be: if the DC was made passive, how do you propose to nerf it to make up for this improvement?

This is the fundamental point. the number of people repeating some nonsense about "waiting for a mod to turn off before logging" is ridiculous.

They all have "comparable" modules which are passive. They also use up "a lot" of cap, compared to the DC.


I think rather, since this was supposed to be passive in the first place, add another module which is all so slightly more powerful? Maybe with 2-3 % more resist to shield or armor or both?

The entire game has been repeatedly rebalanced since "what it was supposed to be" was envisioned. Including a 100% hp buff unless i am mistaken (idk when your quote is from exactly)

They all have "comparable" modules which are passive.

I think rather, since this was supposed to be passive in the first place, add another module which is all so slightly more powerful?

So it's about time they rebalance the DC too then.

I know this module was supposed to be passive from the beginning, and now with the safe logoff it really needs to happen. If you have the DC active, you basically have a 30-60 sec logoff because it has such a long cycle time.

Edit: I'll make a short for/against list here

For:
- It's basically always on anyway
- It's more or less impossible to neut off, and if that happens, it only cost 1 cap to reactivate
- It's a hassle to turn it on all the time (depends on point of view I guess)
- It up to doubles the safe log-off time in space
- It was supposed to be passive to begin with (quote CCP Tuxford)
- You don't have to undock to check EHP. loleftnoob

Against:
- It gives a lot of resistance across the board
- It's not such a hassle to turn it on (depends on point of view I guess)
- Idiots can forget to switch it on = comedy

was going to say in before Tippia but I couldnt beat the queen of contrary.

we changed the functionality of damage controls

Do you really find it that much of a reward, having to activate this module so much? Or maybe you only stay in one system ever, and never jump? It's an extra click, and it's unnecessary. If a pilot forgets to activate it, he would have lost the fight none the less imo.

I don't always agree with Tippia but in no way does he/she qualify as a troll.

Do you really find it that much of a reward, having to activate this module so much?

It's an extra click, and it's unnecessary.

DC should quite obviously be a passive module. The test of whether a module should be passive or not is if there is any point in having the module switched off.

As for the argument that it is some kind of an elite skill to click a module on everytime,,, really?

Anyone remember the exact specifics of what the previous version was?

It appears that multiple damage controls were being used and it was deemed over powered. Thus they decided to limit it to only allow one to be fit and were forced to make it an active module to achieve that goal. But in order to function as close as possible to a passive module they gave it the long cycle time and using 1 unit of capacitor.

Or maybe I'm seeing what I want to see. Anyone have any previous stats and functionality? TUXFOOOOOOOOOORD!

There is a point in that it can be switched off: it makes the ship much weaker (especially when the ship least needs that to happen).

The only one making that argument is the OP. Apparently, the heroic effort required is nigh unbearable.

Do you really find it that much of a reward, having to activate this module so much? Or maybe you only stay in one system ever, and never jump? It's an extra click, and it's unnecessary. If a pilot forgets to activate it, he would have lost the fight none the less imo.

Yes, let's make all hardeners, sensor boosters, tracking computers and ECCM passive. Why not?

Hardeners and other such modules use quite a bit of capacitor and so there is a good reason to allow the pilot to choose to activate them or not. So a bit of a stupid suggestion there to be honest.

Hardeners and other such modules use quite a bit of capacitor and so there is a good reason to allow the pilot to choose to activate them or not. So a bit of a stupid suggestion there to be honest.

But turning them on is obviously such a chore given the complaints in this thread so why not have them automatically turn on when they're needed? Clearly we need to reward the dumbs and/or AFK.

Hardeners and other such modules use quite a bit of capacitor and so there is a good reason to allow the pilot to choose to activate them or not. So a bit of a stupid suggestion there to be honest.

Is this a serious argument?

But as others have said I think the actual module is a little badly implemented and would like to see it reworked someday.

Its not difficult, but it serves little purpose. Also it gets annoying if your doing multiple jumps and have to keep switching it on everytime.

Add a new passive module with 25% hull resists, I guess. (I don't see the point when you have reinforced bulkheads, honestly, but vOv)

Make the damage control use a nontrivial amount of cap?

The OP has convinced me that the dcu is in fact too good for how little cap it costs.

Add a new passive module with 25% hull resists, I guess. (I don't see the point when you have reinforced bulkheads, honestly, but vOv)

Make the damage control use a nontrivial amount of cap?

The OP has convinced me that the dcu is in fact too good for how little cap it costs.

So lets increase damage control cycle time and thus cap use. Fixed without buffing cloaked ships, success.

It's not an argument GÇö it's game mechanics. It is not about intention, but about effect: the difference a DC makes means there's a point to turning it on and point to trying to get it to turn off..

And so making the module properly active would aid these goals you are setting out above.

As luck would have it, it's already properly active GÇö no change needed.

Iidots can forget to switch it on = comedy
It can get neuted off = more combat variation (a very rare occurence to be fair).

As luck would have it, it's already properly active GÇö no change needed.

It's about as properly active as a passive module that draines 1 cap every 30 seconds is properly passive, lol.

Are you just trying to troll now or what?

Adding a noticeable amount of cap use to the DC and giving it a small cycle time should make you happy if and alleviate the problems of AFKing and not being able to nuet it off you were complaining about above?

If you can not take the effort to push a simple key then you lazy as hell.


Yes the DCU is kind of annoying when you are trying to "Safe Logoff" but personally if you are THAT PARANOID you have to safe log off then you can wait 60 seconds so your **** can stay in 1 piece then being blown up

to clarify btw

When you safe log off this will happen

1. A 30 Second Timer will show up, your ship will not move during this time.
2. Once this timer reaches 0 , your client will disconnect.
3. Your ship will THEN INITIATE EMERGENCY WARP (If anything was stopping you from warping you would not be able to safe log off)
4. After your ship EXITS EMERGENCY WARP it will disappear immediately

When you log off normally

1. Your Client disconnects Regardless what is happening in the game world ( Modules, PVP Timers , Warp scramblers)
2. Your Ship will attempt to initiate emergency warp if anything stops it , it wont do anything for 15 minutes (Because somthings prolly warp scraming you.)
3. After your ship exits emergency warp it will SIT IN SPACE FOR 30 SECONDS 1 MILLION KM FROM WHERE YOU LOGGED OFF IN A RANDOM DIRECTION, ANYTHING DURING THE 30 SECONDS MEANS YOU CAN BE PROBED THEN KILLED , ROBBED , RAPED and PILLAGED
4. After 30 seconds have passed and someone hasnt probed you down And Attacked you your ship disspears from space =)

if you really cant be bothered to push your DCU Every time you jump a gate, then your prolly to lazy to cloak your ship every time you jump a gate in a viator with 2 billion isk worth of ****

Since those two are each other's opposites, nope.

Nope. Why would I be?

You're confusing me with someone else. I haven't complained about AFKing or about not being able to neut it off, so I have no idea what you're on about.

I just see no reason why it should be made passive, much less a reason that outweighs the problems with such a change. At the same time, I see no reason why it should be nerfed GÇö it's not like it's horribly overpowered in its current state or causing any real issues.

People don't see the problem with DC being an active module? Really?

The reason it should be changed to one or the other is to improve gameplay.

But I agree with the OP's notion that it would benefit from a change in the future if CCP get that chance.

In what way?

How so? Why does it need either a buff or a nerf? What's wrong with its current state?

tbh most important thing about dc being active is it stops cloaked ships using it.

Cloaked ships wouldn't be taking damage anyway?

The reasons are obvious if you think them through.

Cloaked ships wouldn't be taking damage anyway?

If you can not take the effort to push a simple key then you lazy as hell.


Yes the DCU is kind of annoying when you are trying to "Safe Logoff" but personally if you are THAT PARANOID you have to safe log off then you can wait 60 seconds so your **** can stay in 1 piece then being blown up

to clarify btw

When you safe log off this will happen

1. A 30 Second Timer will show up, your ship will not move during this time.
2. Once this timer reaches 0 , your client will disconnect.
3. Your ship will THEN INITIATE EMERGENCY WARP (If anything was stopping you from warping you would not be able to safe log off)
4. After your ship EXITS EMERGENCY WARP it will disappear immediately

When you log off normally

1. Your Client disconnects Regardless what is happening in the game world ( Modules, PVP Timers , Warp scramblers)
2. Your Ship will attempt to initiate emergency warp if anything stops it , it wont do anything for 15 minutes (Because somthings prolly warp scraming you.)
3. After your ship exits emergency warp it will SIT IN SPACE FOR 30 SECONDS 1 MILLION KM FROM WHERE YOU LOGGED OFF IN A RANDOM DIRECTION, ANYTHING DURING THE 30 SECONDS MEANS YOU CAN BE PROBED THEN KILLED , ROBBED , RAPED and PILLAGED
4. After 30 seconds have passed and someone hasnt probed you down And Attacked you your ship disspears from space =)

if you really cant be bothered to push your DCU Every time you jump a gate, then your prolly to lazy to cloak your ship every time you jump a gate in a viator with 2 billion isk worth of ****

Ok, so what are they?
What's wrong with its current state?
How would changing it improve gameplay?

For one, you don't have to push a button every time you sneeze.

Except you are wrong. When the timer hits zero the client even tells you your ship has been removed from space. Obviously you have not used this feature.

Afk haulers who wish to use blockade runners complaining they can't use DCU while active ITT.

So because it could be used on afk haulers in high sec the rest of the players actively playing the game have to endure pointless extra clicking?

So many of you have no imagination. At all.

Wondering that myself since i have been playing since 2003 and can't remember it ever being different, but then maybe i just wasn't using them cos they were crap.

oh boy story time!

I don't have any hard stats on hand but I do remember the old DC

They increased the hitpoints of modules fitted to your ship by a percentage

Yes, you read that right, they increased the structure hitpoints of modules. Not your ship. The modules fitted to your ship.
This was the only thing they did.

This was before the ability to overload your modules, where something like that might have been useful, and the only situation where your modules started taking random damage was when your ship was deep in hull. They were basically the single most useless category of items in the game, fitting a full rack of civilian guns would have done your ship more good than fitting any number of damage controls to your lows.

The only productive thing people did with them is stuff them in a reprocessing plant after looting them from NPCs, and the poor bastards who "won" a T2 bpo for that piece of garbage probably sold them for peanuts before the changes that made them worth something

I hope you all enjoyed that mostly irrelevant history lesson as much as I did writing it

GǪa problem that doesn't exist to begin with.

This is not a fact, it's your opinion, and it brings nothing to this discussion really.

GǪexcept that it is indeed a fact. You do not have to push a button every time you sneeze. Not only because the EVE UI isn't sneeze-sensitive, but also because nothing in the game requires you to keep pushing that button.

You need to turn your DC on at one point and one point only: when it's about to get ugly. This is not the same as GÇ£alwaysGÇ¥. Thus, you don't need to push any buttons at every opportunity. You don't have to activate your DC any more often than you do, say, a missile launcher.

Let me point it out for you all:
The pity is most of you have no clue how important a DC is on small ships like FR and DE and most of you have no clue what heated dual small neuts can cause.

Hard Fact is a small heated neut cycles every 5.1s, with 2 shifted neuts that means every 2.55s you will be drained of cap that effectively shuts an active DC down on most FR or DE sooner or later.
Combat in small ships is very often a game of cap. Cap managment in small ships is very important and the decision you make is a do or die because many FR have only cap for about ~1:30min with all mods active, very few have more.

A passive DC is a very bad idea for small ship combat where it matters the most.

GǪexcept that it is indeed a fact. You do not have to push a button every time you sneeze. Not only because the EVE UI isn't sneeze-sensitive, but also because nothing in the game requires you to keep pushing that button.

Except jumping. And undocking. Quite rare situations yeah? It's a module you either have or don't. When you roam you always activate the DC because you never know when you are jumped. Maybe we should have to "raise shields" every time we drop out of warp too, it's only one click that needs to be done when you suspect danger.

[quote=Doddy][quote=Marlona Sky]
The only productive thing people did with them is stuff them in a reprocessing plant after looting them from NPCs, and the poor bastards who "won" a T2 bpo for that piece of garbage probably sold them for peanuts before the changes that made them worth something

Except jumping. And undocking. Quite rare situations yeah? It's a module you either have or don't. When you roam you always activate the DC because you never know when you are jumped. Maybe we should have to "raise shields" every time we drop out of warp too, it's only one click that needs to be done when you suspect danger.

I don't really see why it matters one way or another. It would be nice if we could set modules to retain their activation status after a jump, but its really a non-issue.

(And for everyone whining this request is Lazy, Every jump you should have to reset your safety settings, yes, every jump, it's only a couple of clicks, where is the problem, it's not like people are complaining they have to reset them ONCE PER LOGIN currently or anything like that.)

So how is it any different from any other mods? If you are that paranoid surely you have to turn on all your hardeners every jump as well?

Hardeners are situational. You don't activate explosive hardeners when fighting Amarr lazorz. Damage Control is however NOT situational. It behaves like a passive module that has to be turned on to circumvent a code issue.

You don't leave your guns on and forget about them until the fight is over.

Except jumping. And undocking.

Hardeners are situational.

...exactly like the DC. If the situation doesn't call for it, it's pointless to turn it on, and complaining about your decision to repeatedly do something that is pointless only provides an argument for not doing those pointless things. Your inability to keep your fingers off the module is not a reason to change that module.

You think the DC is situational in a fight?

The fact remains, there are no situation where you explicitly do not want your DC to be on.

Quite clearly you have never camped two gates in nullsec with several characters at once before.

Try understanding the situation of others before stating opinions as facts.

Sure I have. That was one situation. Setting aside for a moment that there is no need to turn the DC on after every jump even in that case, it's still just that: a situation -- one among many. It doesn't change the fact that the DC is situational. If anything, it just further illustrates it.

Try understanding what "situational" means before ignoring facts just because they clash with your opinion.

You think the DC is situational in a fight? I surely don't.
As others have mentioned, it should have a meaning and a purpose to turn it off or on when it is an active module. The fact remains, there are no situation where you explicitly do not want your DC to be on. Reasons are obvious but I'll state them; it uses basically no cap and it gives a great boost to your ship. Why would you want to turn it off? To die faster? Well then, don't fit a tank!

I don't know how you play eve, but the way I play it, it is really annoying to have to activate it all the time, and yes, it is all the damn time when you camp two sides of a gate and chase people back and forth and get fights on both sides all the time.

You think the DC is situational in a fight? I surely don't.
As others have mentioned, it should have a meaning and a purpose to turn it off or on when it is an active module. The fact remains, there are no situation where you explicitly do not want your DC to be on. Reasons are obvious but I'll state them; it uses basically no cap and it gives a great boost to your ship. Why would you want to turn it off? To die faster? Well then, don't fit a tank!

I don't know how you play eve, but the way I play it, it is really annoying to have to activate it all the time, and yes, it is all the damn time when you camp two sides of a gate and chase people back and forth and get fights on both sides all the time.

You mean other than the need to activate it every jump because the only reason you jump is to fight? Again, try to understand the situation.


"Position or status with regard to conditions and circumstances."
"of, relating to, or appropriate to a situation"

Appropriate to a situation. By definition, there needs to be a situation where it is inappropriate. Tell me a situation where it is appropriate to not have the DC active.

Just how much combat are you in that you need to turn on your dc "all teh time" cos i want to be there.

You know.... I think we need to look at the Damage Control too:

It effectively Doubles (or more) your effective structure HP. This basically adds a few hundred to a 1+m HP to your ship.
It increases your armor resists by 10-15%, and importantly, doesn't STACK with other resist modifier effects.
It increases your Shield Resists by 7.5-12.5%, and importantly, doesn't STACK with other resist modifier effects.

It costs 1 PG, 15-40 CPU, requires 1 Cap Pt to activate, and has a 30 second activation cycle.

The activation cycle is "soo long" that it inhibits you from logging off, so your solution is to make this module Passive? Really????

No... This module is extremely potent and of significant benefit to your ship.... It should NOT be made passive...

Instead, reduce its cycle time to 5 seconds or less. Now it won't hinder you logging off, it is more susceptible to being turned off by Energy Neutralizers.

But wait... there's more:

The opinion, "it should have a meaning and a purpose to turn it off or on when it is an active module" has some validity. As such, the cap usage of the DCU should be increased too. It should have it's activation increased to match it's duration, such that the DCU uses 1 cap / s (as opposed to 0.03333 cap / s). This way, just like an armor hardener, there is a meaning and purpose to "turning it on or keeping it off"; i.e. to save capacitor.

Is this not fair? It means an awesome module that provides awesome benefits actually has a reasonable cost and it allows you to log off quickly!!!

You mean other than the need to activate it every jump because the only reason you jump is to fight? Again, try to understand the situation.


"Position or status with regard to conditions and circumstances."
"of, relating to, or appropriate to a situation"

Appropriate to a situation. By definition, there needs to be a situation where it is inappropriate. Tell me a situation where it is appropriate to not have the DC active.

any time you are not taking damage .....

Just how much combat are you in that you need to turn on your dc "all teh time" cos i want to be there.

It's still more appropriate to keep it on in case you will take damage. This is Eve you know....

How about... when you're not being shot at?

Running it otherwise is like running your car's headlights in broad daylight. Sure, it accomplishes nothing, it doesn't waste battery because it's being recharged by the alternator, but in the end, the situation doesn't call for them to be on. Headlights are situational, appropriate to the situation of night time. Just like DC is appropriate to the situation of combat. It takes nought but a fraction of a second to get it activated when someone starts targeting you, and so you'll have it well and truly running by the time they start shooting.

Unless, of course, you're not paying attention, in which case DC won't save you anyway and you probably deserve to explode.

I don't know where you are from, but in my country it's illegal to drive without headlights, ever. So I'll twist your words and say you think that a passive DC should be mandatory. Peace yo!

If you start taking damage before you can get your DC on, then you fail at EVE.

You mean other than the need to activate it every jump because the only reason you jump is to fight?

"Position or status with regard to conditions and circumstances."
"of, relating to, or appropriate to a situation"

By definition, there needs to be a situation where it is inappropriate.

Every module I can think of in this game has an advantage to being either off or on. On, it does it's job, off it will save you cap, or in speed terms, let you align faster. The damage Control has no advantage to being off. Ever

You have to turn the DCU on every time you uncloak to enter combat. You have to turn the DCU on every time you jump through a gate or portal or cyno and enter combat.... There are many times you have to turn this module on when "entering" combat.

That's your problem, twisting words. You're twisting a lot of words in this thread, and inventing facts. I live in Australia, where we have this thing called the Sun, and when the Sun is up, everyone can see just fine, so headlights aren't necessary, nor are they mandatory. So my analogy is still relevant. Just because your laws are different, doesn't mean they are smart.

What are smartbombs?

Is it not a fact that there is no reason not to have the DC on?

Now note what the defining characteristic is of those situations when you should turn it on and what is not. The key factor is exactly that: when entering combat. The key factor is not "every time", or "when jumping" or "uncloaking" or "undocking". The DC is a situational, as are indeed all the modules in EVE.

Now note what the defining characteristic is of those situations when you should turn it on and what is not. The key factor is exactly that: when entering combat. The key factor is not "every time", or "when jumping" or "uncloaking" or "undocking". The DC is a situational, as are indeed all the modules in EVE.

You mean those things that you can predict and avoid if you don't fail at EVE?

Nope.

What are smartbombs?

Ok, page 10 and I still cannot see the problem.

DC takes too much cap? Activating it is too hard? What's the issue?

]Situational is not simply "it can be on or off, so it's situational".

You still have not given any reason for why you would want it off.

Surely no competent eve player ever has been killed by smartboms.

...and as luck would have it, no-one is claiming anything of the kind.

It's situational because there are situations where it's useful and situations where it's not.

...aside from the ones you've provided, you mean? Also, you keep ignoring the fact that there is a point to being able to turn it off. You are not the only one with any say in the matter, and there are plenty of reasons for people to want it to turn off.

And what point is that? Neuts? Give me a break, when did that ever happen

There are no situations where it is useful not to have it active.

Oh except when trying to safe log-off, which happens(in my opinion) to be another reason to make it passive.

There are no situations where it is useful not to have it active.

What? I don't even... "It is useful to not have it active when you don't need it". Are you serious?

Oh, pretty much all the time.

If it is of no use when turned on, then no, it's not useful to have it turned on. This seems like quite the tautology so I'm not entirely sure why this is such a shocking revelation to you?

Then why do you online your shield extender before undocking?

Activating passive modules for 1 cap seems to give you so much satisfaction.

Really man, quote the whole sentence

No, but turning them off sure does, and since they they're easy enough to ignore until you really need them, it's not like turning them on is a huge chore.

Now this we can agree on. It is not a huge chore at all actually.
Neither is switching security every time you log on.
Nor is opening ships and inventory when you dock.
Or resizing the info window when you open it.
Or having to drag all modules from a wreck to your cargo (pre loot all).
Or activating every ungrouped gun (pre grouping).

All these things, and a lot of others too, are not at all huge chores, agree? It's still a small pain to deal with all these little things.

The issue is that there is no reason not to have the DC active, it already almost behaves like a passive module, except it has to be activated to circumvent a coding issue, and it's annoying to having to activate it every time you jump between systems.

Edit: In b4 Tippia "you don't have to activate it for every jump". Well no, you also don't HAVE TO activate your guns when fighting, or HAVE TO fit a tank at all. Bad argument.

And these things had no negative game play impact being changed, dc being active does.

Neither is switching security every time you log on.

Nor is opening ships and inventory when you dock.
Or resizing the info window when you open it.

Or having to drag all modules from a wreck to your cargo (pre loot all).

Or activating every ungrouped gun (pre grouping).

In your opinion..

If DC deactivates because of cap issues, then it being off is the least of your problems. There should be a better reason to keep it active than that.

I don't think you have ever done any frigate combat have you. Neuts turning off dcs are not very rare in any case. With a 30 sec cycle time vs a 5 sec cycle small neut your dc will have a 1 in 6 chance of being deactivated every cycle once your cap is broken, this is quite common (most pvp is cap instable to start with, especially with smaller ships), happen to be up against a blood frig or the new amarr destroyer then it will be almost guaranteed to be turned off if the pilot staggers his reps. Given that often the dc is the only mod that can be turned off, and that doing so massively decreases the targets ehp that is quite a nerf to cap warfare.

You also pointedly ignore things like the buff to cloaked ships, the buff to afk ships, the already ridiculous power of the dc which clearly doesn't need buffed and so on. Thought you were going to add points on your post? Or is that just ones you choose?

Yet again Tippia, this is getting tiring, you do not respond to the issue, but make up a fictional and respond to them and win a fictional argument.

Those things are/were not huge chores (respond to the damn argument *for once, please*) but Eve is a better place because we are rid of those small issues.