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J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2011.12.17 23:07:00 -
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Bumping this because it's a damn good thread that needs more attention from the players and CCP. Fixing FW should be HIGH on the priority list for the next expansion, IMHO. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2011.12.18 00:14:00 -
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faction warfare is for turboniggers Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.18 01:07:00 -
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Just chiming in here now that FW plexing has changed. That small change to FW that has made big differences in the amount of fights I've been getting. Hell, even yesterday I was in a 2v3 in a minor plex. I am usually on for about 2-3 hours at night and get possibly 1-2 fights.
I'm on later than the East Coast crowd usually stays up. Before the plexing change my M.O. was to log in right after a big fight happened and then nothing. It would be known to be dead and people would run FW missions or play LoL. Now with plexes spawning throughout the day, anyone can jump into their ship of choice and go Plex/PVP. There's people who used to come out in nothing but faction frigs that now come out in T1 frigs or Dessies so they can get a fight.
Good job in the FW change and I'm looking forward to hearing more about it in the coming months! |
SandKid
Gateway Mining Division
0
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Posted - 2011.12.18 01:47:00 -
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I don't know if FW was intended to be a 'pick up and play' PvP part of EVE...
But considering that every single new pilot to New Eden asks about joining a militia in the first days...
This is of course because the military career agents direct them that direction. Kind of funny how CCP made a big deal about NPE (even investing it into the CQ) but kind of 'drop the ball' after the career agents by FW being a huge let down.
I'd love for FW to be an insta-fight mechanic - literally designed simply to PvP without profit at a surface level. If you were to pursue FW as a career, it should have bonuses and profits that award skill, not time like most of EVE. We have something of a reward system in place, but it could be so much more.
Imagine if the FW store had layers that were accessible based on rank - now you've given an incentive to PvP (especially those who only wish to PvP, not grind missions or play nullsec politics). EVE would benefit from a lot of fast-paced players - the draw being FW.
This is all speculation of course and there are lots of ideas on how to at least fix FW...but what I think frustrates most of us is not what's wrong with FW, but how much could be right with FW. It is an incredible mechanic that could be expanded heavily on - providing another great feature to grow New Eden. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
632
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:22:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:Just chiming in here now that FW plexing has changed. That small change to FW that has made big differences in the amount of fights I've been getting. Hell, even yesterday I was in a 2v3 in a minor plex. I am usually on for about 2-3 hours at night and get possibly 1-2 fights.
I'm on later than the East Coast crowd usually stays up. Before the plexing change my M.O. was to log in right after a big fight happened and then nothing. It would be known to be dead and people would run FW missions or play LoL. Now with plexes spawning throughout the day, anyone can jump into their ship of choice and go Plex/PVP. There's people who used to come out in nothing but faction frigs that now come out in T1 frigs or Dessies so they can get a fight.
Good job in the FW change and I'm looking forward to hearing more about it in the coming months!
Thanks for the report! I've been a bit busy out of game myself, but I love hearing about whether or not the FW plex change has impacted the region in a practical sense. If it is actually encouraging more plexing, than it was definitely the right move. Needless to say, that doesnt mean that plexes are "fixed" in any way, shape, or form - just that hopefully the one tweak CCP implemented was at least a net positive for the feature.
Thanks for your input too, SandKid and J Kunjeh - I always love hearing from non-militia types that understand how much potential the feature has. This has been my argument all along for CCP's increased attention to lowsec and FW - there may only be a couple thousand of us that still participate actively, but in these threads we keep seeing more and more individuals like yourself who have said "I WANT to like FW, but don't participate because its borked". And rightfully so.
I really believe the impact that improving and overhauling the FW system will have reaches far beyond just the active participant count. We simply have to remember the large "diaspora" of players understandably frustrated by the mechanics who moved elsewhere so they could have a greater impact on the the sandbox.
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Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.20 15:42:00 -
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updates? |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.12.21 02:11:00 -
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Draco Rosso wrote:updates? It would seem not...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
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Posted - 2011.12.21 03:18:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
It should be mentioned that Faction Warfare was the first and primary thing mentioned as an example by Soundwave in his recent Mintchip interview.
I just jizzed my in my pants. *ahhh* |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
635
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Posted - 2011.12.21 17:08:00 -
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Super Chair wrote: I just jizzed my in my pants. *ahhh*
I just hope it doesn't turn out to be premature ejaculation :)
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Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:10:00 -
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Fix Nullsec!!!!!!!!!!!! Nerf Highsec!!!!.....................................................wait.................................... |
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
100
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:23:00 -
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From Selenes blog:
"Factional Warfare & Wormholes
This was all about one feature that could have been amazing and a feature that is already amazing but could use more love. Both are front and center in terms of things that CCP wants to iterate on in the coming year. FW will most likely start with a series of minor tweaks before introducing some new elements that breathe new life into the feature. The Wormholes discussion focused a lot on what it's like to live there and how the economic opportunity scales with other EVE 'lifestyles'."
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/2011/12/csm-6-december-summit-report.html
you can ask follow ups here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49408&find=unread
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
635
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:39:00 -
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Thanks for sharing that Cearain!! I've been, ummmm preoccupied the last couple of days so I haven't been keeping up with my usual blogmongering and forumwhoring. And my preoccupation has absolutely NOTHING to do with SW:TOR. I swear it!! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
100
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:47:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Thanks for sharing that Cearain!! I've been, ummmm preoccupied the last couple of days so I haven't been keeping up with my usual blogmongering and forumwhoring. And my preoccupation has absolutely NOTHING to do with SW:TOR. I swear it!!
Thats fine keep playing other games while Amarr continues to take back our territory and other "property"
It wasn't much info other than really we can expect them to try some smaller tweaks and not something drastic at first. Which I think makes sense. I do happen to think the plexing mechanic can be tweaked into something really great.
I asked seleene to put as much detail as he could in the minutes so hopefully they will have some more meat in the minutes if not in a dev blog. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:18:00 -
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You mean like a blog like they promised as a consolation prize for standing up the FW'ers at fanfest .. that kind of blog?
- Just askin'
Can't believe any of you still think they know what the hell is going on in FW land, they got rid of the writers ages ago and most of the involved devs are probably long gone as well. If they start "fixing" it now they'll break it even more than it is .. from scratch please, only way to be sure!
But it does sound like January will be jam-packed with blogs on all the big ticket items, about bloody time we got some info on what they are planning (not just for FW but for null/worms as well). |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
635
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:27:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
Thats fine keep playing other games while Amarr continues to take back our territory and other "property"
And by "property" I'm assuming you're referring to my tribal brothers and sisters? You slaver types are simply horrible people.
Back to business though, now that we've confirmed that FW is front and center in CCP's development plans, this should lay to rest the "CCP doesn't care about us rabble rabble rabble" that's been going on far too long and get the conversations going on again with some serious fervor. I'm hoping that this news will spark an influx of substantive feedback that can be used by the next CSM (the current one's influence will be coming to a close soon) to make sure the FW improvements CCP's about to roll out are community approved. It is all of YOU, the players, that have carried the weight of making FW a fun place to fly and fight - moreso than the CSM or the developers themselves. You deserve to have your input weighed the heaviest moving forward.
2012 is going to be a great year for Faction Warfare!! |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.22 16:33:00 -
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I'll say it before and I'll say it again. CCP should release said smaller tweaks in winter 2012 not the summer. In the summer they do the drastic fine tuning. One more thing: Hans Jagerblitzen, Damassys Kadesh and Hirana Yoshida one of you if not all three should run for the next CSM. We need people like you represent FW at a higher level. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
635
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Posted - 2011.12.22 17:31:00 -
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Draco Rosso wrote:One more thing: Hans Jagerblitzen, Damassys Kadesh and Hirana Yoshida one of you if not all three should run for the next CSM. We need people like you represent FW at a higher level.
Agreed ;) |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
711
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Posted - 2012.01.04 15:55:00 -
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Keep an eye out, Faction Warfare peeps!! CCP Guard said we should see our very own Dev Blog coming out ... Soon(TM)
Hope everyone's had a wonderful holiday season full of gaming goodness, we'll get back into the swing of things here once the next set of FW details come out and have plenty to discuss, I'm sure. I've got my eye on the webosphere again, scanning for all things FW-related - and will keep you posted if I hear anything new.
The next couple of weeks should be exciting - we have the Dev Blog as well as the detailed CSM summit notes to look forward too!
Thanks for all of you who have contributed to the cause - we wouldn't have gotten this far without you. FW's best days are ahead... |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
95
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Posted - 2012.01.04 16:41:00 -
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It's about time |
Karl Planck
Heretic Academy
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Posted - 2012.01.04 16:45:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Keep an eye out, Faction Warfare peeps!! CCP Guard said we should see our very own Dev Blog coming out ... Soon(TM)Hope everyone's had a wonderful holiday season full of gaming goodness, we'll get back into the swing of things here once the next set of FW details come out and have plenty to discuss, I'm sure. I've got my eye on the webosphere again, scanning for all things FW-related - and will keep you posted if I hear anything new. The next couple of weeks should be exciting - we have the Dev Blog as well as the detailed CSM summit notes to look forward too! Thanks for all of you who have contributed to the cause - we wouldn't have gotten this far without you. FW's best days are ahead...
Don't want to burst your bubble but he said that the next dev blog would "shine some light" on the new features, NOT that fw gets its own dev blog.
Hell, he doesn't even say fw will get worked on, he just says it is unlikely that it wont get attention (I am aware of the double negative for you grammar ***** out there). |
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
235
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:02:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Back to business though, now that we've confirmed that FW is front and center in CCP's development plans.... You mean front and and a little off to the side
As for stopping with "The End is Nigh!" spam .. NEVER! They have been promising revisions since FW was first launched so pardon me for taking this round of promises with a wheelbarrow of salt
Loving the glimmer of hope, just wish they think changes through instead of making pointless mechanics even more pointless as they did with the '3 plex every 30 minutes' which allows a system to drop in a single day. Good change but it should have been '1 (or maybe two) random size plex per 30 minutes' or better yet a player controlled spawn system.
At least someone in Iceland is now presumably thinking about the how/what/where of FW which is more than we have had for three years .. so Yay! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
713
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:28:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote: Don't want to burst your bubble but he said that the next dev blog would "shine some light" on the new features, NOT that fw gets its own dev blog.
Hell, he doesn't even say fw will get worked on, he just says it is unlikely that it wont get attention (I am aware of the double negative for you grammar ***** out there).
FINE FINE, we dont get "our own blog". I'm just thrilled to see a video where we're mentioned at all, after three years of absolute silence, every little thing seems like a big freaking deal. And it is a big deal, for those of us who live and breath lowsec and FW. This time last year none of us would have dreamed we would hear such news. We have the awesome community to thank for keeping the pressure up and the conversation about FW alive.
As for them actually working on FW though, this I have no doubts about. I think the reason for any "maybe" language from CCP at this point is more covering their ass in case whatever they are working on goes horribly wrong for some reason (incarna-style vidcard meltdowns), not a maybe because they're still deciding whether to work on FW. We're well past that phase now. The CSM said its on their agenda, Soundwave's said its on their agenda, and the "fix" we saw with Crucible probably isn't what they tasked a whole team to work on, fixing a simple coding error correction. In my previous posts I predicted we'll likely see FW changes as part of subsequent Crucible releases, if they didn't make the first cut. Looks like Guard is confirming this.
And no, I'm not expecting these changes to be mind-blowing or revolutionary. But progress is progress, I think we should celebrate and appreciate each step CCP takes in the right direction. And of course, I'll still be the first one there to nip at their heels if they start dragging their feet again! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
713
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:40:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:You mean front and and a little off to the side
QFT. But again, remember a year ago when we couldn't even get a Dev to utter the words "Faction Warfare" using a dozen angry threads. I can totally live with "a little off to the side". Faction Warfare ISNT the whole game, even if its where we like to hang out. But it deserves development attention in proportion to everything else, at least. Maybe a little more given the bang-for-CCP's-buck factor. A lot of people will resub if they get FW roaring again.
Quote:As for stopping with "The End is Nigh!" spam .. NEVER! They have been promising revisions since FW was first launched so pardon me for taking this round of promises with a wheelbarrow of salt
Yup, I absolutely want everyone to sleep with pitchfork ready under the bedside....its community pressure that got us this far, and its community pressure that will work again if they start slacking.
Now that they've started work for real, I'll be damned if I'm going to give up the fight now - we are by no means finished. The work (for us as a community not just the developers) isn't over till we see a vibrant, active Faction Warfare scene and a revitalization of all of lowsec. The pirates, the highsec producers of ships and goods that supply lowsec dwellers, they all need this as much as we do.
I'm just enjoying the "good cop" mode we're in for the time being...but CCP should certainly know we're more than willing to flip the switch to "bad cop" mode if the need arises. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
235
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:55:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:...And of course, I'll still be the first one there to nip at their heels if they start dragging their feet again! Heels are long gone, you might be able to get a nibble at their knees though
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:... The pirates, the highsec producers of ships and goods that supply lowsec dwellers, they all need this as much as we do.... Especially when/if they get around to making null more or less self-sufficient .. who is high-sec going to sell the bulk of their stuff to then? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
714
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:17:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote: Especially when/if they get around to making null more or less self-sufficient .. who is high-sec going to sell the bulk of their stuff to then?
For the record, I think this is a common myth - its my understanding that most nullsec alliances already make their own stuff out there. Wormhole Alliances rarely even emerge from their WH bases - they can exist in there as long as they want and make a full range of necessary ships, mods, ammo. Highsec production really just supplies high and lowsec space.
Dont simply take my word for it though, I'm just sharing what the nullsec dwellers I've spoke with have told me. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:43:00 -
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I've been in a few major null alliances and in every case a good portion of the market was seeded by corporations specifically contracted to keep the main hubs stocked. Some of the items were manufactured locally but a sizable chunk was imported from high sec.
I'm really looking forward to see what they do with FW. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
14
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:35:00 -
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I was just about to ask for updates. Once again thank you Hans for keep us bitter vets updated. I have my 425mm Rail guns ready for either celebratory gun fire or revolution! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
210
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:21:00 -
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heres some more from a dev blog by CCP Ytterbium:
"Some final words
It is important to remember that all the above is not a "fix" for Factional Warfare. It is only the first step of many to put its implementation back into the original vision that was ours during the Empyrean Age release."
So things are really looking up for faction war.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Uppsy Daisy
State Protectorate Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:38:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608120#post608120
Posted to my other thread by CCP Konflict, but deserves reporting here.
Alliances will be able to join FW. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
236
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:45:00 -
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Cearain wrote:heres some more from a dev blog by CCP Ytterbium:
"Some final words
It is important to remember that all the above is not a "fix" for Factional Warfare. It is only the first step of many to put its implementation back into the original vision that was ours during the Empyrean Age release."
So things are really looking up for faction war. Errrm, check the date and content of that blog.
It is 30 months (2.5yrs) old, was the 'filler' patch that populated the LP store not much else and was as far as I know the last "major" work that was done on FW up until now.
In short: It says diddly squat of what may be heading our way .. just sayin'
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