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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:35:00 -
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Null can't possibly be empty. There's all the valuable anoms, all the valuable rox, all the valuable NPCs, all the serious elite pew... What the hell are you talking about?!?!?!
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Signal11th
R O G U E
826
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:41:00 -
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Basically 0.0 has become very similar to the adage about the Frog.
If you drop a frog into boiling hot water it will jump straight back out again (if possible) but it you warm the water up a degree at a time the frog will stay in there until it dies.
This is what has happened to 0.0 no real big changes but lots of little/medium changes that has made it into the napfest of what we find today. Obviously anything who is benefitting from this will come on here and say 0.0 is great, really interesting and is the "End Game"tm of EVE.
From what I can see most people in 0.0 actually get killed in 0.0 from nodding off when they are there and hitting the keyboard with their heads and disenaging the cloak.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2231
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:43:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:pussnheels wrote: man lot of you still feel butthurt for getting kicked out of your sandcastle, really , and yes i do realize that one day i will be kicked out of null sec by somebody else instead of whinning about it why don't you do something about it One day there will be no TEST or goons anymore and coalitions are a pretty fragile concept in this game Why should someone care to come kick you away? To achieve what? The only reason that someone would want to kick anybody out of 0.0 is if you have money moons, a high enough trusec to make hubs, havens, and sanctums, appear when you upgrade the system, or is convienient to put a jump bridge to empire in, and that is about it really.
That's fine in case you are a CEO in an alliance. YOU get to take the moons ISK, YOU decide who takes what, YOU allow which structures to deploy and where and so on.
What about the average Joes? When I was "young" I found 20 times readier and fairer PvP just by hopping in OMS / Amamake and FW "tubes" than in sov 0.0.
Even just "existing" in Stain (= no sov crap) granted me a never ending inflow of angry Bricks and their allies both happy to fight at gates and stations, both in small stuff and capitals. Plus there were L4 Q 20 missions 2 jumps away, a clone station 1 jump away, an almost basic market. Did not notice if there were industry facilities.
So, why again, would an average Joe put in with thousands others and go in an empty wad of space to establish sov and die bored / blobbed?
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:43:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:If you drop a frog into boiling hot water it will jump straight back out again (if possible) but it you warm the water up a degree at a time the frog will stay in there until it dies.
Which has been proven to be false, but don't let that stop your analogy. Carry on.
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Signal11th
R O G U E
826
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:45:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Signal11th wrote:If you drop a frog into boiling hot water it will jump straight back out again (if possible) but it you warm the water up a degree at a time the frog will stay in there until it dies. Which has been proven to be false, but don't let that stop your analogy. Carry on.
I won't as the argument is still valid even if the adage it's based on is incorrect but thanks for contributing to the thread.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
549
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:46:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Basically 0.0 has become very similar to the adage about the Frog.
If you drop a frog into boiling hot water it will jump straight back out again (if possible) but it you warm the water up a degree at a time the frog will stay in there until it dies.
This is what has happened to 0.0 no real big changes but lots of little/medium changes that has made it into the napfest of what we find today. Obviously anything who is benefitting from this will come on here and say 0.0 is great, really interesting and is the "End Game"tm of EVE.
From what I can see most people in 0.0 actually get killed in 0.0 from nodding off when they are there and hitting the keyboard with their heads and disenaging the cloak.
Not a comment on the post but you do know that the boiling frog thing is a myth that has be disproved time and time again right?
Looks like someone beat me to it.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Golar Crexis
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
35
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:46:00 -
[157] - Quote
Thought I'd chip in here as alliance B or as part of a group of people who harass, grief, gank, roam and generally harm some of the residents of sov 0.0
First of all it sounds like the op went to a backwater part of eve somewhere in the drone regions and went around the same 8 or 9 systems 5 times.
From my experience the best way to quickly get to vibrant and active areas of 0.0 is to use both the in game star map and dotlan.
Goodfights are almost always had especially if you take the time and research and learn about your opponents.
For instance tribal band will always bring a fight provided you appear weak, Test will bring a fight if there is enough of them and an fc is on at the right time, in the drone regions at Russian primetime you can get many gangs of Russians who will always bring the fight.
Fights are plentiful, you just have to have a solid gang and good sense.
If I had to guess as to why many people in this thread are unhappy with null-sec I would put it down to their unwillingness to change. The burden is not on the sovholders to fight you fairly, its on you for not falling into a trap, for learning how to avoid being bridged on, for flying the wrong ships (ones to easily caught) and learning how to roam 0.0 effectively.
Basically my points boil down to Sov holding entities are doing nothing wrong and need to be bigger. People who would like a slice of their pie or to get at the meat inside should learn to adapt.
It can be done.
It has been done.
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Signal11th
R O G U E
826
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Signal11th wrote:Basically 0.0 has become very similar to the adage about the Frog.
If you drop a frog into boiling hot water it will jump straight back out again (if possible) but it you warm the water up a degree at a time the frog will stay in there until it dies.
This is what has happened to 0.0 no real big changes but lots of little/medium changes that has made it into the napfest of what we find today. Obviously anything who is benefitting from this will come on here and say 0.0 is great, really interesting and is the "End Game"tm of EVE.
From what I can see most people in 0.0 actually get killed in 0.0 from nodding off when they are there and hitting the keyboard with their heads and disenaging the cloak. Not a comment on the post but you do know that the boiling frog thing is a myth that has be disproved time and time again right?
Look up the word "adage" before you comment. I didn't use the word "fact"
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:49:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Null can't possibly be empty. There's all the valuable anoms, all the valuable rox, all the valuable NPCs, all the serious elite pew... What the hell are you talking about?!?!?!
If you read the OP again, I think what they are saying is that there is no one looking for fights.
He is not lamenting the lack of ratters or miners that safed up as soon as he jumped into system. It is my experience (as one of those nullears, that there is no lock of people in null making ISK and minerals.
However, I will go along with the OP that there were not many of us rushing into our PVP ships to jump the roams when they came through. Give them fights and they just come back, and them coming back messes with ISK/hour. Better to just let them pass on through and be bored. That way, they are less likely to come back. |
Signal11th
R O G U E
826
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:49:00 -
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Golar Crexis wrote:Thought I'd chip in here as alliance B or as part of a group of people who harass, grief, gank, roam and generally harm some of the residents of sov 0.0
First of all it sounds like the op went to a backwater part of eve somewhere in the drone regions and went around the same 8 or 9 systems 5 times.
From my experience the best way to quickly get to vibrant and active areas of 0.0 is to use both the in game star map and dotlan.
Goodfights are almost always had especially if you take the time and research and learn about your opponents.
For instance tribal band will always bring a fight provided you appear weak, Test will bring a fight if there is enough of them and an fc is on at the right time, in the drone regions at Russian primetime you can get many gangs of Russians who will always bring the fight.
Fights are plentiful, you just have to have a solid gang and good sense.
If I had to guess as to why many people in this thread are unhappy with null-sec I would put it down to their unwillingness to change. The burden is not on the sovholders to fight you fairly, its on you for not falling into a trap, for learning how to avoid being bridged on, for flying the wrong ships (ones to easily caught) and learning how to roam 0.0 effectively.
Basically my points boil down to Sov holding entities are doing nothing wrong and need to be bigger. People who would like a slice of their pie or to get at the meat inside should learn to adapt.
It can be done.
It has been done.
Which is great but you are missing the point.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
549
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:49:00 -
[161] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Signal11th wrote:Basically 0.0 has become very similar to the adage about the Frog.
If you drop a frog into boiling hot water it will jump straight back out again (if possible) but it you warm the water up a degree at a time the frog will stay in there until it dies.
This is what has happened to 0.0 no real big changes but lots of little/medium changes that has made it into the napfest of what we find today. Obviously anything who is benefitting from this will come on here and say 0.0 is great, really interesting and is the "End Game"tm of EVE.
From what I can see most people in 0.0 actually get killed in 0.0 from nodding off when they are there and hitting the keyboard with their heads and disenaging the cloak. Not a comment on the post but you do know that the boiling frog thing is a myth that has be disproved time and time again right? Look up the word "adage" before you comment. I didn't use the word "fact"
Why not use an actual fact then? you destory your own comment by using something we know isn't true.
Or you couldn't just said "a bunch of small stuff added up to something big" and be done with it lol.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Metal Icarus
Legion Of Idiots
legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
386
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:53:00 -
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Is there a place for everyone in Null?
every time I think about going back to null, I imagine showing up for a cta and sitting at a pos for two hours waiting for nothing to happen only for something to happen but the FC went afk because the scout is in route to something and... the fleet is welped by the time the fc returns because he wasn't paying attention.
Titan bridging is the most unfair game mechanic I have ever seen, i mean, who would need to move the fleet when you could just pop up anywhere in range of the titan. All it needs is ONE CYNO to allow for a huge amount of people just popping up 100km behind you in sniping range. (better hope they didnt pop in in between you and your alignment and popped a bubble)
not saying that there isn't a counter(s), but this mechanic completely ruins immersion for me. It makes it feel like sov doesn't matter because the enemy can just teleport where they need to go.
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Golar Crexis
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
35
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:55:00 -
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Quote:
Which is great but you are missing the point.
I was replying to the op and I was replying in general to the thread. If I missed a point then perhaps it wasn't a ppoint worth noticing? |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:56:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Null can't possibly be empty. There's all the valuable anoms, Which support only about 3-5 ratters per upgraded system.
Ginger Barbarella wrote: all the valuable rox, And make about the same money as just AFK mining in Empire.
Ginger Barbarella wrote: all the valuable NPCs, Faction spawns and officer spawns are rare, you'd die of boredom hunting them.
Ginger Barbarella wrote:all the serious elite pew... What the hell are you talking about?!?!?!
HAHAHAHA l337 pew pew.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Gangname Style
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:57:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:because real pvp is against miners in high sec
indeed
I don't see how it isn't. |
Signal11th
R O G U E
826
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:57:00 -
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Golar Crexis wrote:Quote:
Which is great but you are missing the point.
I was replying to the op and I was replying in general to the thread. If I missed a point then perhaps it wasn't a ppoint worth noticing?
Or you're a simpleton?
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Golar Crexis
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
35
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:13:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:
Or you're a simpleton?
I did say I was responding in general. Perhaps you require more explanation?
After browsing through the thread I came across a number of common theme:
Blobs, gatecamps, sovholders suck, more blobs, titan bridging and other such whines.
My post was therefore addressed to respond to those and also to provide an insight from someone who spends most of his time in hostile space fighting and running.
I'm sorry if my message could not reach you, perhaps it was just not meant to be. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
2251
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:35:00 -
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Blame the vast amount of intel with no effort to gather it and the ridiculous ease of power projection. Presto. Vast amounts of empty systems because your little home will be knocked down before you can even finish pouring the foundation. Unless of course you join one of the NAP trains and want to live under that yoke. But as far as aspiring pioneers into the depths of space with just your corp or lone alliance? Yeah right.
There is simply no disadvantage to blueing up everyone for seven regions. Not when you can cross those seven regions in just a few minutes to hot drop that five man battle cruiser gang with hundreds of guys.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1822
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:48:00 -
[169] - Quote
Nerfs aimed at the big guys hurt the little guys too. We have been the little guys and went through those toils and travails as well.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
2252
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:18:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Nerfs aimed at the big guys hurt the little guys too. We have been the little guys and went through those toils and travails as well.
The little guy is not the one sporting a titan to bridge hundreds on someone.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1848
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:26:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:No More Heroes wrote:Nerfs aimed at the big guys hurt the little guys too. We have been the little guys and went through those toils and travails as well. The little guy is not the one sporting a titan to bridge hundreds on someone.
If they don't get a bridge the hundreds are still gonna get where they wanna go. I don't think removing titan bridges would have the effect you desire. We got guys deployed in Curse and Syndicate atm just for funsies and they are killing titans, not using them.
In T1 cruisers..hows that for force projection?
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
2252
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:36:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:No More Heroes wrote:Nerfs aimed at the big guys hurt the little guys too. We have been the little guys and went through those toils and travails as well. The little guy is not the one sporting a titan to bridge hundreds on someone. If they don't get a bridge the hundreds are still gonna get where they wanna go. I don't think removing titan bridges would have the effect you desire. We got guys deployed in Curse and Syndicate atm just for funsies and they are killing titans, not using them. In T1 cruisers..hows that for force projection?
Those hundreds will take longer to get to he destination and you will not have less due to the lazys not wanting to put forth the effort into traveling the distance. As far as your guys deployed; ask yourself why, out of thousands and thousands in your coalition, did so few choose to go?
The answer is complex and vast and ultimately the issue with the current stagnation of null.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Felicity Love
SIDERION JUMPSHIPS
16
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:46:00 -
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... there's fighting in Null Sec ? Noooooooooooooooooo way. 
It's time to nerf the "automagic" qualities of Local in Null Sec anyway... let folks start watching over their shoulders again. |
Wo nko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:18:00 -
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Wo nko wrote:why is null empty?
- titan bridging
- jump bridges
- jump freighters
- beef'd up ratting systems
- no new interest in 0.0
this a thousand times |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
605
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:26:00 -
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Looks like the *objective* in null has been met
Guess the victors are awaiting the next thing to do, but there's nothing on the cards.
No one's coming / forming anything bigger to challenge you.
Grats
So, CCP, now what?
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I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:33:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:... there's fighting in Null Sec ? Noooooooooooooooooo way. It's time to nerf the "automagic" qualities of Local in Null Sec anyway... let folks start watching over their shoulders again.
This thread is to discover why null is so empty, not put forth ideas to make it more so.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy
Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:01:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:This thread is to discover why null is so empty, not put forth ideas to make it more so.
I thought it was because Null Seccers are unable to allow anything of substance to be built.
On the one hand, people are perfectly content to deny use of systems (blobs, afk cloakers, titan bridges, covops ambushes, etc), and then on the other, they complain that no one is there.
News flash: the only things of consequence in Null is what the players allow. If Null Sec is empty, it's because the players want it to be that way, and they'll use the existing game mechancics (whatever they are) to advance that adgenda.
So stop complaining that [insert game mechanic] makes Null empty. Null is empty because the powers that be want Null to be empty. End of story.
"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
52
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:52:00 -
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Nerf blue listing and force projection. Establish a threshold in the number of systems an alliance can hold (sov bill price starts to rise sharply when reaching a certain number).
Fix dscan then remove local.
Do all that.... and you will see more players in Null. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
2253
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:14:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Felicity Love wrote:... there's fighting in Null Sec ? Noooooooooooooooooo way. It's time to nerf the "automagic" qualities of Local in Null Sec anyway... let folks start watching over their shoulders again. This thread is to discover why null is so empty, not put forth ideas to make it more so.
If it is fair for you to proclaim null will be less populated without providing providing proof then one can claim null will become more populated without local and not provide evidence.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:16:00 -
[180] - Quote
Because no one enjoys the company of sociopath belligerent undesirables. |
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